Tough Environment To Play Darts In This Ranked Open Event
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Took a trip up to the Scottish Open as a last minute decision and it was a tough event to play in very well supported but maybe a little too much in regards to the size of the event compared to the available facilities.
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It was nice to finally meet and talk to you Matt, I fully agree with you on the environment which you mentioned on the day. There needs to be adequate space to move around the venue and sit down for players yet alone play darts. I'd say there was at least 10 boards that weren't given a good amount of space.
The Friday night it was so busy with people just there for a drink that I had to stand outside to catch my breath. At the British Open you have to pay a spectator fee but here anyone could just walk in and watch which doesn't help.
Also you mentioned around 70 people didn't play Sunday, I was one of them. I was supposed to get a lift back to Leeds then a train home after we were knocked out on Sunday, but I ended up getting a train straight home on Sunday morning as the playing experience wasn't worth how late it was to get home and potentially miss work the next day.
interesting feedback to add to this that the experience had put you off. Id love to no what percentage of those 70 felt the same and just though it wasnt worth it.
Oh no Matt, you are going to trigger a lot of the clique up here. They are already many not happy on the Scottish darts pages, that you dare to criticise there beloved open. The decent players up here have been moaning for years to no avail.
I’m glad you posted this video. It wasn’t whinging at all, it was constructive criticism, with great ideas to help sort it for next time
Sounds like an utter $hitshow in terms of the room. Gezzy would have lost his mind!
he be fine it wasnt cold
Jimmy loved Scotland
😂
Totally agree with your assessment Matt, the Bar across the top was a real issue with me and in the end I Stopped leaving tops as I was constantly throwing low through fear.
Wasn’t just me then thought that was just one of my strange things
Spot on assessment of everything. The venue is far too small for the event. Those numbers are well down over the years as well. So you can imagine what it looked like with double the numbers of players in the venue.
If the venue was better then the Scottish Open could be a massive event for not only the wdf but Scottish darts
Yeah would dreed to think it with more
Superb assessment. Constructive criticism is beneficial for future events.
Thank you glad it has come across that way
Was good to meet you at the weekend there. I can't disagree with any of your points, problem is it has been like this for years now with no attempt to improve the situation. I feel it will only get worse as darts grows in popularity and more people enter making the event even more a farce.
I heard that alot at the weekend also, there must be some form of arrangment with venue and organisation at a guess
Ur best staying away from the hotel, if u like a quiter environment. We stayed along at premier Inn at braehead. Alot of darters were along there x
for anyone as old as me who attended this shithole every year this comes as no surprise every dart player ive ever spoke to including the ranked players always hated this venue looks like nothing has changed in 20yrs (i say 20yrs im not sure how long its been played at the normandy) i stopped going years ago i had no idea this venue was still being used for the Scottish open. my advise is dont go its not worth the hastle
I don’t have a clue. And I live on 🏴🏴🏴
I was at an Open in Leatherhead once. Got to the quarter finals, and our referee called us over to the designated board. There was a massive grand piano one side of it so that you could only leave the board one way. There were about 60 spectators crowded round as well. I asked if we could use a board without a massive piano in my eyeline. They said no despite there being probably 30 others available. Farcical. I got tonked, but I didnt feel comfortable throwing at all. On all the other boards I was fine coz I had space.
It's a shame to hear that about a tournament that's meant to be quite good 'on paper'. My first experience of a big tournament like that was UK Open quals last year, want the best in terms of organisation, but this year a lot better. And last year I went to Vauxhalls, Great Yarmouth and it was really good, from the set up of boards to the organising of games, however a few downsides were lack of bar staff and only 4 practice boards which wasn't too bad on the Thursday night, but when everyone turned up on the Friday was quite busy and at times had more than 10 people on a practice board. Really good experience, definitely would recommend it Matt if you haven't been before. Quite a few pros go to it as well, saw quite a few that were on modus. Great video Matt, keep up the good work 👍🏼🎯
It was really nice to meet you and talk to you and playing you pal even know I was shit and not near my best
Only way the game will improve and continue to grow! 👍👍
I’m from Aberdeen so not entirely sure what that light show is but I think there’s an annual show in Glasgow roughly in February
always been a shambles matt... years ago there was at least 1500 in mens singles... no tables or chairs to use... everyone has said the normandy was not big enough... x
Not even close, And looking at there fire restrictions not sure they even meet that criteria with the boards up
The northern lights it happens regularly in Scotland
Hi Matthew, I played in this event 2004-2013. In 2010 they did Friday & Saturday sessions which made a big difference, shame it was only a 1 year trial. I got beat by Stuart Kellett in 2nd round who went on to win it. Onwards & upwards for EdgarMania 💪
As someone just getting back into darts after not playing for years, this is honestly scary. 1 game in 4 hours and 125 people to board. People walking past on a match winning throw as well, I'd have went mental. 😂
Played there last 2 years didn't bother turning up this year, venue way too small, not enough practice time or space, everyone breathing on one another all day long its that small, the prices are ridiculous behind the bar when you finally get served that is after standing in a que for half an hour, the format is all over the place, for a ranked event its awful im surprised so many entrants again this year after last years complaints, need to change venue and improve the layout and running of the full tournament but it will be the same again next year.
This is how it is at most of all the big shoots here in the states.
The light show is all the helicopter search lights after the football.
aka The Northern Fights.
Reminds me of some tourney's I have been to in the states , signed up for a event the event started at 6 played my first game was at 9, got top 4 , and it was 3 in the morning
Yep, too many tournaments here in the states are like that. I don’t even bother anymore. There’s nothing to do for so many hours that I just end up getting extremely drunk which I regret the next day.
Iceland is a dream set up for any tournament! That whole venue is amazing!
Looks very difficult. I think your core audience, if not everyone will completely understand where you were going and the message you are trying to get across here if not a rant for rants sake but to srsly improve the standard of an event that lots of players will have spent a large amount of money to be there and play
Thank you, I find it hard to do these kind of videos cause I know everyone works so hard to make the events happen but gotta say what you see sometimes
Great video Matt. It is important that you show all sides of your darting journey. You may be inspiring others to give it a go and they have to know what to expect. Keep up the good work. 👍
Unfortunately there might be a missing darts player Chris Harris, Wales. Let’s hope he is found safe soon.
Was actually quite off putting for those who don't get alot of board time at events. Events t Home up north are poorly constructed outing ls and the travel is insane to go down south at times.
Would be nice to have regular events that are at least moderated and managed
Very recognizable remarks for similar events I’ve been to. And I have to say, the worst one I went to was the Belgian championship (“BK Darts”). Looking at the videos you show, compared to the one in Belgium, the amount of space you had in Scotland was lavish. I even got pushed in the back on multiple occasions by bypassers, while throwing a dart.
Good luck in Slovakia Matt. Hoping you bounce back and get some nice points as well as confidence
Welcome to every dart tournament ever played in Canada. Full of players and wives showing high volume videos of their new screaming baby or dog while you're trying to play within two feet of them.
I have never played a massive tournament before because I know I’m not good enough but every time I played in a league etc I would get annoyed if they turned the music up when I was about to throw or the chalker was talking to his team etc so if someone walked in front when I was about to throw I think I would of shouted at him so got to give you credit for not losing your shit at them. If anyone says you are in the wrong for saying this then they are part of the problem
4 practice boards.... bloody hell that's taking the biscuit. Are you going to be at blackpool this year Matt?
Hopefully will be yes
@@Edgartvdarts i might see you down there then buddy
Used to go but gave up years ago. No where to sit etc. It’s outgrown this venue for years.
Same thing happened at the Andy Fordham thing at the 02 with people walking across you and blocking you
Yeah I no about that beam it dose put you off chin up mat hope your going to Bridlington
Where is the Slovak Open on Dartsconnect?
Matt , you put your points over very well and no one can take offence. It’s just like a old amateur BDO event from the 80’s , nothing has changed but as you said PDC is different . Well you have learned your lesson and you have to weigh up whether the points were worth the visit .
So happy I didn't fly over now and waste nearly 500 quid hearing this
First, looks like an absolute nightmare 😂
The northern lights my friend thank you for your incites how it is to real is to be a professional darts player
Sorry for the bad message pre morning coffee
Stay in Scotland and have been there multiple times... il never go back its such a bad setup.
One we scratched off the calender in 2018 just wasn't for John
Tournament has been like this for years. I played from 2006-08, got to play Hendo in fact. Too cramped, just feel like everything is on top of you. Don't see that it will change any time soon.
The walking over the oche winds me up even in local leagues! Especially if kids are allowed to roam who have nothing to do with the darts and the parents do nothing!
Plus if you complain about it - you’re the one in the wrong! Really grinds my gears. You can’t play your best darts in these kind of environments
You should try their Christmas dinner. 400 packed in and they bring your food at different times and 1 young boy doing the drinks. Place is understaffed with the new owner.
Biggest bother for me was the boards itself too hard and losing one of my darts. Bounced out and landed on top of the frame didn’t find it until the third leg
I used to play the Scottish open when it was 2000 in the men's draw and it was a cattle market then it looks just as bad now the venue isn't suitable for a large darts open I hope you enjoyed your time in Scotland matt hope you will return soon 👍
Not even sure it meets fire requirements with the boards in the middle and the space it takes up for the oches etc.
I actually played a few times round about that time as well,and honestly can't remember it being that bad if I'm being honest,and always thought there was no problem with practice boards,mind you I was always half pissed when I was through there,so my memory might not be as it should be.
So you made a vlog with constructive criticism? You didn't just ragequit mid-match and tweet about it?
Used to be run over 2 sessions, morning and late afternoon/ evening. Don't know why they changed it.
This is not inviting for new or young players. Maybe 40 years ago this set up was acceptable.
Is the Edgar Mega Mix available on Spotify for the public?
Will you be coming to Cyprus in May for WDF Cyprus Open?
I am planning to do so yes just got to price it all up and work out the details
@@Edgartvdarts Perfect, can't wait to meet you!
Tunes banging so hard Edgar wants to melt into a puddle of sleep 😂
Only so much britney spears a man can take
Matt, I hope it will be better this weekend in Slovakia.
Keeping it authentic and honest. All the best in Slovakia!!
As a current event organizer , we and I do mean we....Our group are always looking for ways to improve upon the experience. Without constructive feedback, events dont have a chance to better the experience.
I was the one that asked to be in the vid and we said duzza was better than you 😂raging not to be in it lol
Makes it hard to get into the game feeling like a sardine
Just coz you got pumped. The WDF Price.
You should have been there when there were 1200 entries & not a seat in the place ?
I think 🤔 U seen the Northern lights my friend.
Why they still use that venue is beyond me
far too small
Stick a travel board up in ya hotel room to practice!
Amateur darts. That’s what this reminded me of, my local comps are the same. And isn’t the WDF amateur darts Anyway?
Literally every American dart tournament 😂
It’s all about the journey Matthew, it’s shit you’ve had this experience, but thanks for the vlog, will help many events that’s for sure👍🏼
Mathew, don't you save you're favourite TV shows for travel purposes only instead of counting sheep 😂😂
I should do really shouldnt I
@@Edgartvdarts you still sound exhausted 😂😂😂
Great insight as usual. As someone who's predominately played ADO (American) BDO, and WDF events, I know a lot of the opens there is no preregistering. I'm not sure if that was the case in Scotland, but it's tough to know how many people are going to show up. If you expect 200 men and 400 show up, there probably won't be able to handle that as smoothly. The biggest problem we have in America is so many events between pairs, mixed pairs and blind draws plus the singles each day. If things start getting behind, they can get very behind.
Welsh open is ment to be ace plus dutch open😊
7:20 Typical new darts player after the first leg when he realises he's shaking way more than he thought he would.
Followed by the line "put down your gin and tonic love, you're driving home".- It's why she went from smiling to stone faced.
Totally agree buddy. The organisers do the best they can but the venue isn’t suitable and hasn’t been for years. Last time I went there were just two practise boards 🙈 I won’t see you in Slovakia, but at some point in the near future IOM maybe? Btw Slovakia is a good one, lovely hotel and the playing area is decent. The only negative is that it is whiteboard and pen marking (well it was last year). 👍
I played the scottish open many years ago, never again, was there at 6am and ended up leaving at midnight, there's no where to sit and I have flat feet so the whole day, my feet was in so much agony, I couldn't walk the next day
You should have tried to play back in the BDO days, 1500+ entries for the mens singles and 2 practice boards.
People who I know who have played Scottish Open have always said it’s tough & hot well organized….😢
That's why should be rules for certain number of players. Up to X number of players that many dartboards.
Then each board should have that much space behind the ouch and on each side of the board.
Zack walks in front of you just as you're about to throw, on his mobile saying "no you hang up, ..no you...."
Yeah looks rather cramped there. Definitely got to have more practice boards. Like the saying goes... progress isn't a straight line. Onward and upward! 🤛
Havent been for years because of some of the same points you made here. They used to split the singles over 2 sessions but the entries were a lot more then. Far too cramped a venue even then. Worse now they are playing 2 full comps in a day each. Sad thing is its not going to change either
Interesting and honest.
Think darts is bloated with too many UK players and it's more European players than worlds
Sounds like a BDO competition.
That's how they were in the past.
You are describing almost every open dart tournament in the U.S.A. 🤣
Great video Matt. It was great to meet you. You marked my board final and had a good chat with you. Good luck for the rest of the year 👍🏻
I hope the skinny lad is eating better!
Loves food does zac
The 2024 Ladies Scottish Open singles champ 9:08
Great info video Matt
Says he has a megamix but its 90 percent wrestling themes.
Looks like Fallon Sherrock @ 9:20. Am I correct?
Yes correct
Hi Matthew,i stay 30minutes from the venue and i have never been, i was going to go for the first time but the advice i had picked up changed my mind so didnt go and after watching your video im glad i didnt,they probably need a bigger venue and apparently been like this for years,great video thankyou
Never seen anything like this even in pub darts let alone an official competition.
I stopped going years ago, the lack of seats used to kill my back. Its always been set up poorly.
I thought you said you reached the last 32 in the results your not mentioned in the last 32
Good to know he knows what he’s talking about.Keep up the good work 👍
I played Darren Elliott and he actually hit the metal bar during our match.
I like your channel and your videos. Mostly. You really know how it goes in PDC, you can explain many stuffs from behind the scene. But tbh you know nothing about WDF tournaments and system. You can not compare PDC events and WDF events in any single parametr. Simple, you just can not. PDC does their events, they are organisers, they spending their money for only a 128 players in total. It si ridiculous. It is by far, by zillion percents harder to make and run WDF event. WDF is not organiser, the do nothing, absolutely nothing for any event. There is not a single little thing they help. The only thing WDF does are rules what organisers have to follow. Something more, you can not have 50 boards for tournament. You need 16-32-64 etc… because it is how it works. Using DC is a horrible risk as many experienced many times. Organisers never know how many entries they will have so probably there might be an issue with space, but it is as it is. It is fckin hard to run silver or better event. You even can not compare bronze and silver in WDF. Bronze event is just a bigger local event for few drunken sailors. It cost hell of a money, all people there are volunteering to make it happen, mostly it cost a fortune because of no sponsorship so all organisers are mostly in huge risk. I know there some uncomfortable problems sometimes, but still it is free to choose get in or not. Keep doing your good job Matt but this I think was not fair cos you dont know costs and problems behind this scene.
Ok so
Firstly which point that I made do you not agree with ?
Secondly you can have 50 boards you can have 53 if you want. You don’t have to run it as in winning a board or played as the bracket.
It’s very simple you have say board 1 and 2 with board 3 as a floating board where you move the slowest board of the 2s next game to that board and so on.
It’s a system I’ve seen used many many times in the 24 years I’ve travelled the world playing this game
That's the difference between professional and amateur set up i guess
Well done for thanking people, some players at other events told people to eff off haha
I’m Scottish and I think it’s the worst open out there.
Think it’s a long standing loyalty from them to stay at Normandy rather than grow the venue with the size of tournament
They used to get way more numbers in the past. It is just poorly set-up, it also does not help, when you have the non dart playing drunks with poor etiquette.