thoughts in order in real time while watching: 1: why. Why the lightening cuts in the slide. 2: there is a LOT of air between the rear sight and the slide. Probably mechanically nothing, but makes me uncomofortable/dubious. 3: why did they go with the Ruger/SW safety lever that's...very unideal to snick off in an actual situation. I hate that. 4: DO like that it's ambi controls. 5: DO like the aggressive grip texturing. 6: Sights are high vis and metal, good. 7: I wonder if the rear serrations on the slide not running all the vertical way up will make it difficult to run with sweaty/bloddy hands, due to a style choice. 8: this number of rounds? In 2022? How is someone supposed to pick this over a competitor of similar size; are they betting on someone just REALLY falling in love with how it feels in the hand? Conclusion: I think they could've done a lot better; this reminds me of the Mossberg's foray into the arena; however, that one at the time seemed to bring more to the table. The only thing new about this is that it's from Savage. I don't think that's enough for people today in a market oversaturated with "sub-compact" 9mm's that offer a lot more with better brand-name recognition. Not trying to poopy all over Savage, but they can absolutely do better than this.
Savage is just getting started this is a slightly improved honor guard pistol, the metal used is top notch and i can tell you this, you can pound on this thing and it never wimpers. I absolutely hate ammo sensitive pistols and this thing has never ftf or fte rounds even if i mix them in the mags. I also noticed it is easy to shoot right or left handed so in the event of a hand being in op it's still real easy and quick to pull and fire. Savage will absolutely be making improvements to the trigger(savage knows triggers) i believe savage decided to get this thing out there because of the political climate we are in, it is also very slim and comes with better sights than the m@p. The slide cutouts are supposed to help with recoil and it's little extra weight(it's solidly built) helps a bit as well. I have done alot of emergency drills with carry pistols and this one passes all test and goes boom everytime with zero malfuntions. All of this being said i have some things i would like to see be improved but i have really liked this pistol the more i have shot it, the trigger also has gotten better as i have put time on it. I have over a 1000rds through this pistol with crap to top of the line ammo and not a single ftf or fte not one, and thats saying a bunch because every single pistol i have run has had atleast one failure in those 1000 rds, so thus far that makes this the reliability champ for the time being.
Waiting for one to come that I picked up on GB for $266 couldn't argue about the price and I wanted it because it's a Savage handgun. TBH to me it's more of a collector's piece as I already have other single-stack autos of similar size.
On the takedown you forgot to mention something very important. That is not a captive recoil spring. And also. It's. Is tricky getting it back in there. If you take it completely down, And try to put it back together. you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
This pistol is what I imagine would result from a love triangle between a Springfield XDs, a Kahr CW, and an M&P 2.0. The trigger action makes me think of Kahr Arms DAO striker system. Lacks a blade safety and has a long reset. The silhouette is reminiscent of an M&P Shield or as others have mentioned an Honor Guard, and the control layout and sighting system screams Springfield XD/Hellcat with the inclusion of a Taurus G series frame safety. The grip texture lends to be a blend of XDM and M&P 2.0. What is rather disappointing is that it is a single stack with minimalist capacity. Especially, wih the trending segment being micro stack and a half in 10 to 12 round configurations in the same exact size format. The single stack micro has lost a great deal of its appeal since Sig started the race for higher capacity with the original 365. With all that being said, my question for the Savage Stance is, what is its relevance in the market when you can buy a Shield 2.0 for under 400 bucks and a Gen 1 Shield for under 300? The original Sig 365 price has come down quite a bit making it roughly the same price as the Stance's MSRP and it has advantages of being field proven, after market supported, and higher capacity in a smaller package. Just saying while the Stance initially appears to exude a well thought out design in an attractive and well equipped package, it would have had more relevance and wowing appeal back in 2017 when single stack micro 9mm was all the rage. I think Savage came in a bit late with an offering that is too premiumly priced to gain any momentum or create a buzz. Even if it retails for say 360 it is at a time when single stack micro 9 sales have become rather stagnant.
... Especially when Taurus is offering the GX4 with an 11 round magazine, at about 18 ozs at a retail cost between $300 and $350. And it’s smaller and a lot of good reviews on it.
@@sycamorebacker1 i guess it all depends on what you perceive as safe and an appropriate configuration that promotes such a state. Every person's comfort level is different. For example I will not carry IWB in appendix position unless the firearm has a manual thumb safety or is DAO. I am kinda attached to my appendages in that region and prefer not to risk their survival.
@@sycamorebacker1 so, do you think that a trigger with a safety blade is unnecessary then? Is a Glock, Springfield, Walther, or any other pistol employing such a system any more dangerous or safer than a Kahr, Sig P320, P365, or any other striker fired unit that does not use such trigger safety technology? Do you think that companies such as Ruger, S&W, and Taurus that put frame mounted thumb safeties on their products are doing too much? If safety is not a matter of personal perception and comfortability, then why do people complain about a frame mounted thumb safeties, backstrap safeties, cross bolt safeties, and so on? I grew up shooting 1911 pistols so the backstrap safeties to me are of no bother. Likewise, having carried cocked and locked, the act of swiping off a thumb safety is completely unobtrusive and is almost instinctually performed out of muscle memory during the drawing process. Truthfully, in my opinion everyone should train endlessly using such platforms before making the move to polymer striker pistols. It develops a muscle memory that allows a person to competently operate almost any semi-automatic pistol in circulation since Browning released the 1911 over 112 years ago. I personally prefer a manual safety but to each their own.
The name reminds me of the gerber fastball for some reason. Awesome knife. And I literally and just learning about this and I want it strictly because savage is making it.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive well they milled the slide down some more, but they did retain the original honor guard slide serrations. This isn't a clone it is the exact same gun.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive yea, I was never a fan. I didn't think it offered much more than the shield. I remember it also had the removable frame and drop fire problems just like the p320 did. I would not recommend it even if it is rebranded a savage.
Is it true that this is just an updated Honor Defense Honor Guard? All the information I found said that Savage bought the rights to that design and is now producing them under their name
Come on Bob, single stacks are ideal for deep concealment. Commy states will sell them for sure. I live in a 2nd Amend friendly state and prefer single stack pistols.
@@rjdavis7503 I carried single stack for years, but assaults are changing. 1/3 involve multiple attackers (FBI stats). Civilian tactical mag changes are statistically zero. You'll only defend with what's in your gun
I had my gun dealer put it right back in the case. Dry fire and trigger reset was one of the worst I have ever felt. The mag did not drop free. The slide release is impossible to operate. Way overpriced based on the competition. Don't like it at the counter, not gonna like it at the range.
Let's see . . . size of a Shield, has a removable chassis . . . looks like a dressed up Honor Guard from Honor Defense. I saw that I can get this pistol today for $258.47 plus shipping and FFL fee. Did Savage Arms buy out Honor Defense?
You like the Sig ammo?? I’ve seen so many videos from people crapped all over it saying it was not good I purchased a box and kind of regret it but I hold your opinion in high regards. When I purchased it the shop was out of Gold Dot and I was desperate.
This looks like a really nice gun. But, there are better choices to be had, in my opinion. Higher capacity, smaller size footprint and weight, better price even.
I can get one with night sights and a 10 round mag for $225 after rebate. I may pick this up to leave in the truck. Or maybe by the bedside. If you have to shoot a burglar they'll confiscate your gun. I'd much rather lose this than my Walther PPQ M2
They shot themselves in the foot by coming out with a 7/8 round pistol. Nobody is gonna buy this when they can buy micros that hold 11, 13, and 15 rounds. Fail
All of my rifles are from Savage Arms they make superb rifles
thoughts in order in real time while watching:
1: why. Why the lightening cuts in the slide.
2: there is a LOT of air between the rear sight and the slide. Probably mechanically nothing, but makes me uncomofortable/dubious.
3: why did they go with the Ruger/SW safety lever that's...very unideal to snick off in an actual situation. I hate that.
4: DO like that it's ambi controls.
5: DO like the aggressive grip texturing.
6: Sights are high vis and metal, good.
7: I wonder if the rear serrations on the slide not running all the vertical way up will make it difficult to run with sweaty/bloddy hands, due to a style choice.
8: this number of rounds? In 2022? How is someone supposed to pick this over a competitor of similar size; are they betting on someone just REALLY falling in love with how it feels in the hand?
Conclusion: I think they could've done a lot better; this reminds me of the Mossberg's foray into the arena; however, that one at the time seemed to bring more to the table. The only thing new about this is that it's from Savage. I don't think that's enough for people today in a market oversaturated with "sub-compact" 9mm's that offer a lot more with better brand-name recognition. Not trying to poopy all over Savage, but they can absolutely do better than this.
Absolutely 💯
Savage is just getting started this is a slightly improved honor guard pistol, the metal used is top notch and i can tell you this, you can pound on this thing and it never wimpers. I absolutely hate ammo sensitive pistols and this thing has never ftf or fte rounds even if i mix them in the mags. I also noticed it is easy to shoot right or left handed so in the event of a hand being in op it's still real easy and quick to pull and fire. Savage will absolutely be making improvements to the trigger(savage knows triggers) i believe savage decided to get this thing out there because of the political climate we are in, it is also very slim and comes with better sights than the m@p. The slide cutouts are supposed to help with recoil and it's little extra weight(it's solidly built) helps a bit as well. I have done alot of emergency drills with carry pistols and this one passes all test and goes boom everytime with zero malfuntions. All of this being said i have some things i would like to see be improved but i have really liked this pistol the more i have shot it, the trigger also has gotten better as i have put time on it. I have over a 1000rds through this pistol with crap to top of the line ammo and not a single ftf or fte not one, and thats saying a bunch because every single pistol i have run has had atleast one failure in those 1000 rds, so thus far that makes this the reliability champ for the time being.
I'm diggin' it ...might look into it next time I'm at the local shop ..
Waiting for one to come that I picked up on GB for $266 couldn't argue about the price and I wanted it because it's a Savage handgun. TBH to me it's more of a collector's piece as I already have other single-stack autos of similar size.
I held one in the shop a couple weeks ago it felt good but I wish it was a double stack.
On the takedown you forgot to mention something very important. That is not a captive recoil spring. And also. It's. Is tricky getting it back in there. If you take it completely down, And try to put it back together. you'll understand what I'm trying to say.
This pistol is what I imagine would result from a love triangle between a Springfield XDs, a Kahr CW, and an M&P 2.0. The trigger action makes me think of Kahr Arms DAO striker system. Lacks a blade safety and has a long reset. The silhouette is reminiscent of an M&P Shield or as others have mentioned an Honor Guard, and the control layout and sighting system screams Springfield XD/Hellcat with the inclusion of a Taurus G series frame safety. The grip texture lends to be a blend of XDM and M&P 2.0.
What is rather disappointing is that it is a single stack with minimalist capacity. Especially, wih the trending segment being micro stack and a half in 10 to 12 round configurations in the same exact size format. The single stack micro has lost a great deal of its appeal since Sig started the race for higher capacity with the original 365.
With all that being said, my question for the Savage Stance is, what is its relevance in the market when you can buy a Shield 2.0 for under 400 bucks and a Gen 1 Shield for under 300?
The original Sig 365 price has come down quite a bit making it roughly the same price as the Stance's MSRP and it has advantages of being field proven, after market supported, and higher capacity in a smaller package. Just saying while the Stance initially appears to exude a well thought out design in an attractive and well equipped package, it would have had more relevance and wowing appeal back in 2017 when single stack micro 9mm was all the rage. I think Savage came in a bit late with an offering that is too premiumly priced to gain any momentum or create a buzz. Even if it retails for say 360 it is at a time when single stack micro 9 sales have become rather stagnant.
... Especially when Taurus is offering the GX4 with an 11 round magazine, at about 18 ozs at a retail cost between $300 and $350. And it’s smaller and a lot of good reviews on it.
If it has a trigger like the Kahr, that would be great. If a gun needs a trigger safety, it is not safe enough.
@@sycamorebacker1 i guess it all depends on what you perceive as safe and an appropriate configuration that promotes such a state. Every person's comfort level is different. For example I will not carry IWB in appendix position unless the firearm has a manual thumb safety or is DAO. I am kinda attached to my appendages in that region and prefer not to risk their survival.
@@killacoiler1707 Yes, all of that is good, but safety is not a "perception," it is a reality.
@@sycamorebacker1 so, do you think that a trigger with a safety blade is unnecessary then? Is a Glock, Springfield, Walther, or any other pistol employing such a system any more dangerous or safer than a Kahr, Sig P320, P365, or any other striker fired unit that does not use such trigger safety technology?
Do you think that companies such as Ruger, S&W, and Taurus that put frame mounted thumb safeties on their products are doing too much? If safety is not a matter of personal perception and comfortability, then why do people complain about a frame mounted thumb safeties, backstrap safeties, cross bolt safeties, and so on?
I grew up shooting 1911 pistols so the backstrap safeties to me are of no bother. Likewise, having carried cocked and locked, the act of swiping off a thumb safety is completely unobtrusive and is almost instinctually performed out of muscle memory during the drawing process. Truthfully, in my opinion everyone should train endlessly using such platforms before making the move to polymer striker pistols. It develops a muscle memory that allows a person to competently operate almost any semi-automatic pistol in circulation since Browning released the 1911 over 112 years ago. I personally prefer a manual safety but to each their own.
The name reminds me of the gerber fastball for some reason. Awesome knife. And I literally and just learning about this and I want it strictly because savage is making it.
This is one fine looking pistol.
Must have missed something. Did they buy the rights to the Honor Guard pistol? If so, cool to see this pistol back. Always liked them.
It does look shockingly similar. Too bad the price tag isn’t, this one’s $100 to $150 more expensive.
@@DarkArtsDeepDive well they milled the slide down some more, but they did retain the original honor guard slide serrations. This isn't a clone it is the exact same gun.
@@algierssolja what a scam
@@DarkArtsDeepDive yea, I was never a fan. I didn't think it offered much more than the shield. I remember it also had the removable frame and drop fire problems just like the p320 did. I would not recommend it even if it is rebranded a savage.
Is it true that this is just an updated Honor Defense Honor Guard? All the information I found said that Savage bought the rights to that design and is now producing them under their name
Nice pistol, I have the HG, keeping it for keep sake.
Great review. Thank you. BTW, it's not ambee- dextous. The i is a small i sound. A small pet peeve of mine.
I purchased one today new subscriber Little Rock Arkansas thanks for sharing
I waited long enough for the Stance and now my local shop has them for $245 ...
Congratulations Savage! You have just released a single stack, SW Shield type pistol, just as SW is dropping it for double stack Shield Plus.
Come on Bob, single stacks are ideal for deep concealment. Commy states will sell them for sure. I live in a 2nd Amend friendly state and prefer single stack pistols.
@@rjdavis7503 I carried single stack for years, but assaults are changing. 1/3 involve multiple attackers (FBI stats). Civilian tactical mag changes are statistically zero. You'll only defend with what's in your gun
Question is, what does the Stance bring to the table which the old Shield 9mm doesn't.
Ambi controls
I had my gun dealer put it right back in the case. Dry fire and trigger reset was one of the worst I have ever felt. The mag did not drop free. The slide release is impossible to operate. Way overpriced based on the competition. Don't like it at the counter, not gonna like it at the range.
I had concerns about the trigger reset, but after shooting the firearm it was not as noticeable as I thought it would be.
@@TheConcealedCarryChannel Does it fire when you drop it like the honor gaurd?
Honor guard with new name.
And bigger price tag
Let's see . . . size of a Shield, has a removable chassis . . . looks like a dressed up Honor Guard from Honor Defense. I saw that I can get this pistol today for $258.47 plus shipping and FFL fee. Did Savage Arms buy out Honor Defense?
I carry conceal my HK mk23. Some think it is a bit large but what ever
You like the Sig ammo?? I’ve seen so many videos from people crapped all over it saying it was not good I purchased a box and kind of regret it but I hold your opinion in high regards. When I purchased it the shop was out of Gold Dot and I was desperate.
I have personally never had an issue with SIG ammo. Gold Dot is one of my favorites as well, but as you noted hard to get lately.
@@TheConcealedCarryChannel thanks
Is it accurate etc?
was racking the slide easy or hard ?
A little stiff at first, after a few boxes it gets a little easier. Not bad after break in.
Would like to have seen inside of it
This looks like a really nice gun. But, there are better choices to be had, in my opinion. Higher capacity, smaller size footprint and weight, better price even.
Made in America quality and with rebate $200.00 what hellofa deal. Go savage!!!!
First shield copy. Not bad.
I thought hipoint c9 got a upgrade when I first saw this.
Is it California Compliant
I can get one with night sights and a 10 round mag for $225 after rebate. I may pick this up to leave in the truck. Or maybe by the bedside. If you have to shoot a burglar they'll confiscate your gun. I'd much rather lose this than my Walther PPQ M2
Always assume no one has taken a gun apart. Take the gun apart.
They shot themselves in the foot by coming out with a 7/8 round pistol. Nobody is gonna buy this when they can buy micros that hold 11, 13, and 15 rounds. Fail
This is nothing new, just a re-branded, updated exterior, re-issue of the Honor Defense Honor Guard pistol.
Nice pistol, nontheless.
Those look a lot like shield mags
This gun is an overpriced honor defense pistol
After a year, nothing but light primer strikes. Trash