Hello, a very good video that took a lot of time and work. The quality of the manufacturers is also subject to fluctuations. There are always production series whose quality is not uniform across the company! And cost pressure certainly also plays a role. It makes an economic difference where you set the tolerance limit. I like how you support your statements with pictures, because often you read something and can't tell if it's a malicious lie or if it's true. That's why I don't want to parrot any quality statements about any manufacturer series that I've read somewhere. However, your measurements confirm what some have felt about the decline in quality over the last 10 years or so regarding the tolerance limits that I have read specifically about JSB Esact Diabolos, which however does not fit with the sometimes contrary scatter circles! This has certainly damaged the reputation, as the measurement can be objectively verified. On the other hand, the result speaks a different language - I can't explain it, five coincidences in a row is not a coincidence per series. With H&N and RWS there is also high-quality German competition to the Czech JSB, which is particularly important for the German market. Likewise, there are also high quality diabolo productions in Great Britain for their market there. I don't know whether the overall results are better, but you shouldn't blindly follow the crowd, but rather test it yourself the way they do it - my respect! What makes it even more difficult is that each weapon gives slightly different results. For example, I have two identical air rifles from two different manufacturers, but in pairs they behave so similarly in the distribution circles of diabolo types that I could not objectively determine any difference within a pair, although there were sometimes clear differences between the pairs. I can also say that expensive Diabolo varieties tend to have smaller scatter circles. However, I am interested in inexpensive variants and there is always an exception that delivers very good results specifically for this or every weapon and that means you can save a lot of money and a lot of time, at least when training, because I don't do any sorting. The disadvantage is that I have around 40 to 50 different varieties ready to try out, which of course isn't exactly cheap when buying for the first time. But precision is important to me and that's why it's important to me to determine the value of at least 3 or 4 very suitable types for each of my weapons, including at least one inexpensive one and also one medium to high-priced one if the range is convincing. Best regards from Germany and thank you for your commitment.
Funny enough, I was talking about this yesterday. Myself, I changed to QYS nearly three years ago and have never looked back. They shoot great in my TX200HC, HW100 and RM8. I’m more than happy and pellet test others regularly. Since I changed, every now and again, I buy a tin of Exacts and constantly shocked at how bad they weigh out, look and feel compared to the QYS. Another point I’ll make is that JSB always seem to be light. QYS are generally spot on or slightly heavy. I’ve wondered if JSB are doing it on purpose. Less weight, less lead, less cost to make.
I think it's true to say you can rest on your laurels when you find a good pellet. They may not stay good forever and there may be something better out there. JSB are my general go to pellet but not necessarily the best one for each of my rifles.
I've been using QYS .177 Streamlined 9.56 grains pellets for a couple of years now and can, in all honesty, say I've NEVER seen a damaged pellet. Phenomenal pellets, would highly recommend them.
Good to hear from you to Jeff✌️👌👍 and yeh I'm using the JSB Jumbos to, I get them from the Wolfman store cause its free delivery and cheaper than anywhere else Ive found 😂😂👍👍👍 and yeh Royal mail delivery the ammunition so like you said the pellets are getting damaged in transit.. I Straighten the damaged ones up with a pen 🤣🤣🤣catch you on your next video 👍👌✌️
Excellent test , information we all wanted to know 👍 only thing is that measuring the size of the groups is one way of measuring consistency, but in regards to accuracy would have been good to measure pellet distance from the bullseye as that's a way of measuring by how much each pellet didnt achieve it's aim to know which year would miss the target by the greatest distance . Just nit picking though, I'm not gonna stop buying them. Future video on JSB vs QYS or another top brand with the same method of comparison would be good , to find out which pellet is really the best.
Thanks. Hear what you say about measuring accuracy, but wasn't aiming to hit the bull as then I'd have nothing to aim at. I also find that there are distinct poi changes between tins, even from the same manufacturer. You can see that in my test if you look back at the target.
@@hftshooter Think what most people want to know is if their pelet will hit what they're aiming at rather than how tight the group that missed the target will be . Maybe an idea for a future video
I hear you. It's always a problem trying to please everyone. It's my usual practice to have the scope zero offset so I don't obliterate my aim point when shooting groups. I guess what we can take for that is that if a pellet tightly groups well, then on a correct zero setup it will hit what you're aiming at. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 🙂👍
Using jsb exact Express 7.87 grain pellets, I get flyers 20%. This happens in three different air guns. Crosman, Beeman, and Ruger. One flyer out of five shots is not acceptable for pest control to me. I switched from JSB to RWS Superdomes 8.3 grain and get no flyers from any of my guns. The groups may not be quite as tight, but with no flyers I can confidently use these for pest control. 0.3" groups with RWS at 33 yards is definitely good enough for me. I've read that H&N also has excellent pellets. Compare prices before you buy more pellets to try. Thanks for the video.
Interesting stuff as always..I've experienced no issues with JSB's or H+N's ,you're spot on about skirts I tried some crossman magnum very shallow skirted non of my rifles are a fan👍
Good, detailed review. if they work for your rifles then stick with them. I couldn't get decent groups with JSB pellets for some time so have switched to Baraccuda 8s from H&N. They are more consistent and reliable (in my rifles) compared to JSB. Also, they are a lot cheaper.
Thanks, I've tried bara 8s but have the opposite experience to you. There is so much variation between barrels even from the same rifle. Individual testing is a must! 🙂👍
I can attest to this as well. the B8's are my guns preferred pellet by quite some margin, but that's of no real consequence. What is though, is that when weight sorting, the weight spread is far less with the H&N's, there are less damaged skirts and much less swarf in the bottom of the tin..
As a centerfire F-class and benchrest shooter I'd like to make a suggestion for supported bench shooting. Aim small to shoot small. A 5mm aim point allows a 5 mm leeway. Shoot a 1mm or 2 mm dot if your scope has the ability to discern it and the reticle is fine enough. Move p.o.i 10 clicks away from the dot as you look at it. This means you never shoot your aim point out. The centerfire guys shooting .2'' groups c-c at 100 yards are aiming at a point as small as a dot from a ballpoint pen.I use the cheap and cheerful Bisley targets and get many groups from a target by rotating the target in the holder after shooting the five targets in order once. I aim at the top hole in each of the number 8s in the scoring rings My HW100 still loves JSB after a decade of buying random tins from whoever has them cheapest at the time on Amazon. Thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this video. My opinions and advice are only that my opinions, I welcome feedback and discussion and freely accept there are other methods of accurate shooting and considerably better shooters than me out there. Regards from Scotland.
I don't have enough experience to say wether the quality has dropped or not, but they certainly do not compete with vastly cheaper H&N options in any way you can measure...
If you have a cheaper pellet that works for you then I would go with those every day of the week. I don't use JSB exclusively myself. As I said in the video, some of my rifles have better accuracy with other pellets. 🙂👍
Interesting set of data. I have a tin from 2021, batch code 68500021. Extracting 20 pellets as you did. Average weight is 8.42gr with 8.34 lightest and 8.54 heaviest, spread of 0.2 and deviation of 0.05 which is quite close to your data. Average head size was 4.50, with 4.90 smallest and 4.51 largest, for a tin marked as 4.51. Average length was 5.950mm measured with a micrometer on 1 click. Shortest was 5.882 and longest was 5.921. The heaviest pellet did measure as the longest with average head size, but the lightest pellet is average length and head size.
Awesome video Jeff, very informative and interesting.. Funny that I've been using the JSB' s for a few months now.. 10.34 gr in 177 and 15.89 gr in 22, I do find maybe about 10-20 pellets in each tin that are pretty much damaged, but I use them anyways 🤣🤣 ps.. I like the music I wonder who is doing that.. 🤔🤔😂😂 I hope you are well my friend.. 👍👌✌️
Hi Johnny, good to hear from you. I'm pretty sure the pellet damage issue is a transport problem rather than a factory one. It would be interesting to track where the damaged pellets are coming from. I 've been shooting a lot of .22 with the JSB Jumbos recently and have found them quite good. All will be revealed on Friday. 😀👍
Myself and many of my shooting buddies and club members have noticed the fall in QC with JSB across the board have dropped a lot in quality over the past 3.5 years. Most of us shoot 25 & 50m benchrest. So you can imagine some of us wash weigh and measure pellets. The amount of damaged pellets are extremely high. As for the weight variation, well it is embarrassing. Personally I had a bit of an extreme test with RWS superdome, H&N Baracuda 8 and JSB heavies. The RWS & H&N had less than 5 damaged pellets between the 2 cans the JSB had 18 damaged pellets. On this particular test I shot straight out of the can, the tins were lined up in a row and I went from tin to tin. I did not have to make any adjustments to my scope and the only difference I found was the price per tin. So in my opinion I will stick with the RWS and H&N. The rifles I used were Air Arms S510R US, FX Impact mk2, Air Arms HFT500 and FX Maverick. All .177 sub 12 ft lb. This is my opinion, others may or may not agree. But I will be sticking to the RWS & H&N. Good luck to one and all. Aim Shoot Swear Repeat 😂
Thanks for sharing your experiences. H&N Bara FT seem to be the go to benchrest pellet of the moment. I did another video where I compared them to JSB. I thought they had much better quality and consistency.
very nice testing mate . me personally i have never had much trouble with jsb pellets. only had damage pellets due to courier buffoons damage in transit . however i will say i had a couple of times of tge older jsb with the white label lids and they were superb through my spring gun but not night and day difference just grouped a tad better
Can't think that all five tins would be exactly the same over such a long period of time anyway and it stands a good chance that each tin could come from a different die. All things considered, I would say that all of your tins show pretty good consistency of manufacture. I wonder how long each mould lasts before beingscrapped and replaced with a new one? 🤔👍
Good vid, those scales are accurate enough( i have similar) and that's compared to my electronic powder scale for fullbore loading,thanks a great effort.
A lot of work there Jeff and probably more variables to take into account. I think the greater spread on the 2022's is probably down to production pressures catching up on time lost during the pandemic. The bigger spread in weight out of the tin will definately affect the velocity enough to give you those POI shifts at 35 yards. Keep up the good work we always learn something or open another can of worms 🤣
The difference between aiming point and apparent camera aiming point is due to internal scope parallax error. Not to be confused with barrel/scope parallax error. Internal parallax is where changing the position of the pupil changes the apparent aiming point. If you bob your head left to right you will see the apparent point of aim change. Most scopes are parallax corrected for the intended range they are to be used for - 50 meters for rimfire, 100 meters or further out for center fire. Outside of 100 meters it's probably not so critical as long as you are using a centerfire scope. You'll see some scopes listed as "rimfire" but often this metric (parallax distance) is difficult to find for cheaper scopes so you are left guessing until you get it on the firearm for testing. Most airgun shooters will buy whatever is cheap and available without regard to scope parallax, which might leave them open to potential problems getting tight groups. It's not so much of a problem if you always make sure the field of view (FOV) is dead center of the scope picture (dark ring around the FOV is even all the way around). Some of the very best scopes have adjustable parallax, however they are about ten times more expensive than the average air rifle. Best to stick to scopes intended for rimfire or airsoft if possible. I haven't come across any scope intended for less than 50 meters but as I say, the real specs are a little hard to come by in most cases. I note that most red dot and similar pistol sights are intended for very close range (eg 25 meters) but they offer no magnification so a bit of a moot point. I'd be happy to try to explain *how* internal scope parallax happens, but it doesn't help much in learning how to deal with it. It's one of those topics that most shooters ignore because they don't understanding the meaning of the term in this context. You may commence your trip down this rabbit hole... now.
Hi Chris, thanks for the information. The scope I was using was a digital scope; it doesn't have any parallax error like a standard scope. It can't as it is basically a video camera. 🙂👍
I just checked on the scope, and I can't actually see how there could be parallax error except for a software bug LOL. I'll leave my comment for those using conventional optics however.
Your tin looked good mine were quite badly damaged in the skirts area I had to purchase a pellet sizer to sort this i bought daystate sovereign. 177 these were spot on and great quality, great video topic thanks again for posting 👍
The 10.34s for me have always been spot on but in all fairness some thing seems to have happened to them in my eyes over the last few years, i still use them by the way but i am honestly thinking of swapping to another brand but will see.
I recently got given a tin of those and have also found them pretty good. I just checked the date and they're 2018! I'll have to get a new tin and see how they go. 🙂👍
I've seen photos that other shooters have posted online showing rogue pellets in tins, but haven't experienced that myslef. As you say, always good to check. 🙂👍
I have a batch from 2022 and a batch from 2023. They actually look different as the 2023 are deeper. The 2022 batch have flyers in both my Steyr and HW100. Both batches have never had damage issues from the tin! In HFT competition I use the 2023.
@@hftshooter Yes, I was thinking that as I watched through the video! I think that people are quick to say JSB are getting worse when in fact they must be good as the top HFT competitors use them! I Chronograph/Marshalled at the Worlds this year and saw set ups where you wouldn't get much change from £5000 using of course JSB pellets! Steyr which is the most winning manufacturer recommend them at 4.52 and 777fps.
I think the Hades and Diabolos in 22 either get battered in transit, or a made with worn out molds, cos of the last 10 tins I bought (two batches of 5, around 20% had mishappen skirts.
In 2018 bought 8000 JSB .25, 25gr pellets, all of two lots. I spent months in evenings washing all of them, culling damaged ones and weighing every single pellet (everything on my coffee table in front of my couch, put on a movie and watch while processing pellets) then lightly lubing and putting in tins by weight. So I had great consistent, accurate shooting for years and JSB were the best out there to me. But in February this year I'd used up so many that i had to buy more... I bought four tins and was shocked at the weight spread and the numbers of damaged pellets. Head sizes werent consistent either. And the accuracy was terrible (terrible COMPARED to the old ones) So I've been searching for a good replacement pellet for months and haven't found any as good as the OLD JSB's.... Very sad situation. Note most of these pellets were shot out of a WAR FLEX regulated with a custom barrel from WAR's proprietary mandrel at TJ's w/ epoxied on thick CF sleeve that was also tensioned before the epoxy set so this barrel is very very stiff yet lightweight.
@@hftshooter ehhh, you just put part of your mind on autopilot and watch the TV and let your hands pick up a pellet, glance down for just a second to roll it to look for damage, look back at the TV while put the pellet in the digital scale, the glance down to see the weight and then put the pellet in the appropriate place on the sorting poster board which had 20 spots from lightest to heaviest in 0.01increments. Maybe 10% of my attention was on the pellets and you do hundreds in the time of a movie. Do that 3 or 4 weeknights a week (left everything set up on the coffee table, but then again, I'm single so no one to complain or kids to bump it around and mess it up.) its not actually that big a task.
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They know this exactly from their own, much more extensive tests. Ultimately it is an economic decision made by the merchants and not a technical one made by the engineers - as always. 😪
The last 7 tins of JSB made pellets, including 3 tins of Air Arms labeled, that I have purchased in the last 2 years, have had minimal to severe skirt damage. 2 tins of the Air Arms 18gr, (purchased at different times) were I would say 80% unusable. These are .22 cal both 5.51 & 5.52mm head sizes. I believe I have not had a pristine tin since before COVID!
I mostly shoot paper targets. Thought my shooting skills were in decline. Switched from JSB and found it was the ammunition. I have tried QYS, H&N and RWS. All are better than JSB used to be. Go-to brand is H&N as I shoot both .22" and .177". QYS is hard to fault but .177" only and RWS Meisterkugeln are really hard to find in .22" (last few tins had to be private import to the UK from Portugal). While I prefer flat-head pellets for definition in a paper target, H&N Field Target Trophy also works well in my .22". My BSA has never like JSBs, they work better in my Air Arms rifles, TX200 particularly so - but no longer the best. If you shoot both calibres, I'd suggest H&N or RWS as they both seem to work well in any barrel and are available in both common calibres. Am currently researching lead-free and the best in .177" is H&N Match Green. My TX200 gives 10p size groups at 25 yards, so not competition grade but OK for spinners or pest control - lead is still more accurate. The 5.25 grain weight means it chronos at 970 ft/sec for a really flat trajectory. (Impact point at 25 yards is 35mm higher than 8.4 grain lead pellets.) I find all pellets improve if put through a sizing die but lead-free pellets in particular as they are much harder than lead. Good advice at the end - do your own testing - all guns differ slightly, shooters even more so. 😀
I’ve not noticed any difference in .177 however the .22 I’m finding a lot with damaged skirts. I’ve switched to Hades in .22 and so far so good however i think the nuclear in print on them beyond 30 metres is making them more susceptible to wind. I’m currently trying out H&N and AA fields too because if JSB doesn’t sort out their .22’s soon I’m afraid I’ll be another customer leaving. Great video btw good sir
Hi, I believe AA’s are manufactured by JSB. I’ve been using AA .22 pellets for a while and more recently had a tin with real issues, wonky skirts and some with slightly misshapen domes. Odd thing is the latest tin of AA’s aren’t bad so am wondering if it isn’t a bit of a lottery. Just thought I’d mention this, might be worth trying H&N’s as they’re made by a different company. Have found RWS aren’t bad either but of course this all depends on the barrel
Great test. I'm not gonna deny that they are very accurate. But my problem is I live in hawaii. By the time I get them the skirts are beat to sht. Especially the newer 7.33gr RS. It's such a Disappointment when thirty percent are unusable😂 The Soft lead jus doesn' ship well.. I go to walmart pick up some premier hollow points. And there tack drivers in my springers.😂 I don't know why. I have better luck with h&n❤
I put my pellets through a sizing die and can tell you that H&Ns are harder than JSB = stronger. I find very few damaged pellets in my H&Ns while JSBs have damaged skirts, just travelling to the UK.
Great point! I think most of the complaints about pellet quality are down to poor shipping. And you're right, JSB lead is very soft compared to other pellets making it more prone to damage perhaps? H&N certainly use a harder lead mix!
H&N Barracuda 8 in 177 plenty accurate enough , also the field target trophy are decent . The QYS are ludicrously expensive if I was a competition marksman I'd invest but I'm 5p groups out at 40 yards with cheap reximex the others at my range struggling to get that at 25 yards with mega bucks custom guns and QYS pellets
You're right, I've found the bara 8s to be good but not as accurate as some others in pellet tests, but there's not much in it. As you say, if you don't need extreme accuracy they're good enough. 🙂👍
Sample size is to small to really deduce anything from the pellet weights, I always weigh pellets mainly for making sure my competition pellets are all relatively within .10 grains. It’s probably overkill as the difference in drop shouldn’t be that big. Also my understanding is the skirt is always restored to original shape ish once the air is put behind in the barrel, so generally unless it’s completely folded in again it’s not something to worry about to much 👍
You did not measure the head size buddy! My JSB exacts 8.44gr in 4.52 had always a nice tight fit in my HW's and had a light resistance when i pushed them in the breach and where shooting great. Now the 4.52 are just dropping in the barrel and are less accurate. I bought the last 4.52 in bulk with the same batch number and they suck😡😡😡Even a new tin to test in 4.53 have a more loose fit than the old 4.52...Waste of money.......
I have notice H&N Baracuda Hunters in .22 have very bitty skirt flats these days. I have to stand them on 1000 grit emery just to take off the surface of the moon type grit. Not a good look. "RIFLE" brand out of Brazil are head and shoulders above..beautifully uniform and clean.
Possibly meaningless but I tried JSB Exact Diablo 177 4.5 2023. On cocking my HW95 I had to take care as pellets fell out. No other brand or size did this.
i used to buy JSB without question, thought they were the dogs... October last year someone offered me some QYS. Never touched a JSB Since, utter trash
I have a few tins a QYS that are terrible, gotva fewcthatvare spot on as well, QYS had a decline when their popularity went up, but like JSB have gotbbsck on track the last few years
Not surprised to see 21 were rubbish. Jsb really fell off during Covid. I noticed it and so did many others. Oddly the Air Arms didn't seem to suffer as much.
@thedeester100 I know that AA pellets are made for them by JSB but the difference is that all of their pellets only come from one die which has been chosen by AA after testing at the JSB factory. All on a video I saw of a visit to the factory by an American who I can't currently remember unfortunately, but it was probably an hour long and very informative. So I came to the conclusion that if all of the air rifle manufacturers are doing this, then find one that works in your rifle and that should actually be more reliable than buying JSB tins. I believe BSA do the same but not sure who make theirs. I bought a tin of their Gold Star thinking they would be pretty poor because of the price but was amazed they were stacking one on one at 30 metres from my .177 Ghost. You should try them. 🤔🙂👍
@@hftshooter I wouldnt like to say. Covid affected every thing in some way. It was just interesting to see that what I and others thought at the time panned out in your test with 2021 pellets easily the worst on the card. I bought an Impact MKII a month before lockdown and quickly realized it was a bit fussy. As long as I used jsb of some variety though it was fine. As Covid progressed and pre-covid pellets ran out that gun struggled. I took to using the air arms fields which even though JSB seemed to be of better quality.
I used them very happy with them .But last 12 months quality is gone down .I purchased a tin of .25 calibre jsb hades and I've had to throw away nearly 40 percent of them owing to the skirts being badly damaged
hi six months ago bought a bsa ultra and a tin of 177 jsb exact, great so i bought 4 tins and got 2"groups at 20 yards after much head scratchingthe pellets are way under size and sit in the end of barrel with out touching the rifling
Hi mate I've just been pointed to your channel by one of my own subscribers. My channel is Air gun Britain. Just starting out so nowhere near your efforts yet but hoping I can copy your success 🤞 I've quickly mentioned on one of my videos of jsb pellets not being what they were after a really bad tin. I'll go through all your content hoping to learn, could I ask your opinion on the Weihrauch Hw 100 BP have you ever shot it ? It's a gun I'm considering purchasing? Or could you recommend something better?
Hello mate, good luck with your channel, I just subscribed. 👍 I have shot the hw100 bullpup, but only briefly. I think you'll be very happy with an hw100 it has a great reputation. The only reason I don't have one is because I have other rifles that do the same job. I think you'll be happy with it. If you haven't had a bullpup before you'll need to get used to the hammer hitting right next to your ear. Like anything, try before you buy if possible to be sure it fits you. All the best. 🙂👍
@@hftshooter cheers hft. I really appreciate that. I'm steadily going through your videos now taking in as much as I can. 🥴 I'm learning so that's a good thing. Thanks for the great advice 👌👍
Yes I had one. Weigh five pellets and then reweigh them, get the same reading? Mine didn't and that's why I bought a beam scale instead. I need pellets of all the same weight, regardless of what the weight actually is. If you get one, add epoxy and used pellets to the inside of the base to stop it moving around so easily.
@Happy-Me. they can favor whatever they want, it's their choice and money, I have better luck with h&n, the quality of jsb is not as good, I don't care if they prefer crossman or some home made crap, I shoot what I get the best results with
I agree some JSB tins have numerous pellets destroyed.
I've yet to experience that. I think it must depend on how roughly they're handled during shipping?
Hello, a very good video that took a lot of time and work. The quality of the manufacturers is also subject to fluctuations. There are always production series whose quality is not uniform across the company! And cost pressure certainly also plays a role. It makes an economic difference where you set the tolerance limit.
I like how you support your statements with pictures, because often you read something and can't tell if it's a malicious lie or if it's true. That's why I don't want to parrot any quality statements about any manufacturer series that I've read somewhere.
However, your measurements confirm what some have felt about the decline in quality over the last 10 years or so regarding the tolerance limits that I have read specifically about JSB Esact Diabolos, which however does not fit with the sometimes contrary scatter circles! This has certainly damaged the reputation, as the measurement can be objectively verified. On the other hand, the result speaks a different language - I can't explain it, five coincidences in a row is not a coincidence per series. With H&N and RWS there is also high-quality German competition to the Czech JSB, which is particularly important for the German market. Likewise, there are also high quality diabolo productions in Great Britain for their market there. I don't know whether the overall results are better, but you shouldn't blindly follow the crowd, but rather test it yourself the way they do it - my respect!
What makes it even more difficult is that each weapon gives slightly different results. For example, I have two identical air rifles from two different manufacturers, but in pairs they behave so similarly in the distribution circles of diabolo types that I could not objectively determine any difference within a pair, although there were sometimes clear differences between the pairs. I can also say that expensive Diabolo varieties tend to have smaller scatter circles. However, I am interested in inexpensive variants and there is always an exception that delivers very good results specifically for this or every weapon and that means you can save a lot of money and a lot of time, at least when training, because I don't do any sorting. The disadvantage is that I have around 40 to 50 different varieties ready to try out, which of course isn't exactly cheap when buying for the first time. But precision is important to me and that's why it's important to me to determine the value of at least 3 or 4 very suitable types for each of my weapons, including at least one inexpensive one and also one medium to high-priced one if the range is convincing.
Best regards from Germany and thank you for your commitment.
Thanks very much for commenting and sharing your experience, much appreciated. 🙂👍
Funny enough, I was talking about this yesterday.
Myself, I changed to QYS nearly three years ago and have never looked back.
They shoot great in my TX200HC, HW100 and RM8.
I’m more than happy and pellet test others regularly.
Since I changed, every now and again, I buy a tin of Exacts and constantly shocked at how bad they weigh out, look and feel compared to the QYS.
Another point I’ll make is that JSB always seem to be light.
QYS are generally spot on or slightly heavy.
I’ve wondered if JSB are doing it on purpose.
Less weight, less lead, less cost to make.
qys are terribly hard to get here in the USA
@@le3045acp I shoot QYS in the UK and find H&N or RWS are on a par with QYS. Of course, your mileage may vary - all guns are a little different.
I think it's true to say you can rest on your laurels when you find a good pellet. They may not stay good forever and there may be something better out there. JSB are my general go to pellet but not necessarily the best one for each of my rifles.
I've been using QYS .177 Streamlined 9.56 grains pellets for a couple of years now and can, in all honesty, say I've NEVER seen a damaged pellet. Phenomenal pellets, would highly recommend them.
I've been meaning to revisit the QYS pellets. Last time I tried them they wouldn't work for me. 👍
Good to hear from you to Jeff✌️👌👍 and yeh I'm using the JSB Jumbos to, I get them from the Wolfman store cause its free delivery and cheaper than anywhere else Ive found 😂😂👍👍👍 and yeh Royal mail delivery the ammunition so like you said the pellets are getting damaged in transit.. I Straighten the damaged ones up with a pen 🤣🤣🤣catch you on your next video 👍👌✌️
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Excellent test , information we all wanted to know 👍 only thing is that measuring the size of the groups is one way of measuring consistency, but in regards to accuracy would have been good to measure pellet distance from the bullseye as that's a way of measuring by how much each pellet didnt achieve it's aim to know which year would miss the target by the greatest distance . Just nit picking though, I'm not gonna stop buying them. Future video on JSB vs QYS or another top brand with the same method of comparison would be good , to find out which pellet is really the best.
Thanks. Hear what you say about measuring accuracy, but wasn't aiming to hit the bull as then I'd have nothing to aim at. I also find that there are distinct poi changes between tins, even from the same manufacturer. You can see that in my test if you look back at the target.
@@hftshooter Think what most people want to know is if their pelet will hit what they're aiming at rather than how tight the group that missed the target will be . Maybe an idea for a future video
I hear you. It's always a problem trying to please everyone. It's my usual practice to have the scope zero offset so I don't obliterate my aim point when shooting groups. I guess what we can take for that is that if a pellet tightly groups well, then on a correct zero setup it will hit what you're aiming at. Thanks for taking the time to comment. 🙂👍
@@hftshooterI'm not complaining, I highly rate your videos.
Using jsb exact Express 7.87 grain pellets, I get flyers 20%. This happens in three different air guns. Crosman, Beeman, and Ruger. One flyer out of five shots is not acceptable for pest control to me. I switched from JSB to RWS Superdomes 8.3 grain and get no flyers from any of my guns. The groups may not be quite as tight, but with no flyers I can confidently use these for pest control. 0.3" groups with RWS at 33 yards is definitely good enough for me. I've read that H&N also has excellent pellets. Compare prices before you buy more pellets to try. Thanks for the video.
I wouldn't be happy with that for pest control either. Glad to hear you've found a pellet that works for you though. 🙂👍
Interesting stuff as always..I've experienced no issues with JSB's or H+N's ,you're spot on about skirts I tried some crossman magnum very shallow skirted non of my rifles are a fan👍
Thanks for sharing. 🙂👍
Good, detailed review. if they work for your rifles then stick with them. I couldn't get decent groups with JSB pellets for some time so have switched to Baraccuda 8s from H&N. They are more consistent and reliable (in my rifles) compared to JSB. Also, they are a lot cheaper.
Thanks, I've tried bara 8s but have the opposite experience to you. There is so much variation between barrels even from the same rifle. Individual testing is a must! 🙂👍
I can attest to this as well. the B8's are my guns preferred pellet by quite some margin, but that's of no real consequence. What is though, is that when weight sorting, the weight spread is far less with the H&N's, there are less damaged skirts and much less swarf in the bottom of the tin..
Strewth that was an excellent ‘real world’ test. Well done and a good balanced summing up 🙏
Thanks Nick, I appreciate that. 🙂👍
As a centerfire F-class and benchrest shooter I'd like to make a suggestion for supported bench shooting. Aim small to shoot small. A 5mm aim point allows a 5 mm leeway. Shoot a 1mm or 2 mm dot if your scope has the ability to discern it and the reticle is fine enough. Move p.o.i 10 clicks away from the dot as you look at it. This means you never shoot your aim point out. The centerfire guys shooting .2'' groups c-c at 100 yards are aiming at a point as small as a dot from a ballpoint pen.I use the cheap and cheerful Bisley targets and get many groups from a target by rotating the target in the holder after shooting the five targets in order once. I aim at the top hole in each of the number 8s in the scoring rings
My HW100 still loves JSB after a decade of buying random tins from whoever has them cheapest at the time on Amazon.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to produce this video.
My opinions and advice are only that my opinions, I welcome feedback and discussion and freely accept there are other methods of accurate shooting and considerably better shooters than me out there.
Regards from Scotland.
Thanks for the advice. 🙂👍
I don't have enough experience to say wether the quality has dropped or not, but they certainly do not compete with vastly cheaper H&N options in any way you can measure...
If you have a cheaper pellet that works for you then I would go with those every day of the week. I don't use JSB exclusively myself. As I said in the video, some of my rifles have better accuracy with other pellets. 🙂👍
Interesting set of data. I have a tin from 2021, batch code 68500021. Extracting 20 pellets as you did.
Average weight is 8.42gr with 8.34 lightest and 8.54 heaviest, spread of 0.2 and deviation of 0.05 which is quite close to your data.
Average head size was 4.50, with 4.90 smallest and 4.51 largest, for a tin marked as 4.51.
Average length was 5.950mm measured with a micrometer on 1 click. Shortest was 5.882 and longest was 5.921.
The heaviest pellet did measure as the longest with average head size, but the lightest pellet is average length and head size.
Good to hear we're pretty close; I must be doing something right. 🙂👍
Awesome video Jeff, very informative and interesting.. Funny that I've been using the JSB' s for a few months now.. 10.34 gr in 177 and 15.89 gr in 22, I do find maybe about 10-20 pellets in each tin that are pretty much damaged, but I use them anyways 🤣🤣 ps.. I like the music I wonder who is doing that.. 🤔🤔😂😂 I hope you are well my friend.. 👍👌✌️
Hi Johnny, good to hear from you. I'm pretty sure the pellet damage issue is a transport problem rather than a factory one. It would be interesting to track where the damaged pellets are coming from. I 've been shooting a lot of .22 with the JSB Jumbos recently and have found them quite good. All will be revealed on Friday. 😀👍
Myself and many of my shooting buddies and club members have noticed the fall in QC with JSB across the board have dropped a lot in quality over the past 3.5 years. Most of us shoot 25 & 50m benchrest. So you can imagine some of us wash weigh and measure pellets. The amount of damaged pellets are extremely high. As for the weight variation, well it is embarrassing. Personally I had a bit of an extreme test with RWS superdome, H&N Baracuda 8 and JSB heavies. The RWS & H&N had less than 5 damaged pellets between the 2 cans the JSB had 18 damaged pellets. On this particular test I shot straight out of the can, the tins were lined up in a row and I went from tin to tin. I did not have to make any adjustments to my scope and the only difference I found was the price per tin. So in my opinion I will stick with the RWS and H&N. The rifles I used were Air Arms S510R US, FX Impact mk2, Air Arms HFT500 and FX Maverick. All .177 sub 12 ft lb. This is my opinion, others may or may not agree. But I will be sticking to the RWS & H&N.
Good luck to one and all. Aim Shoot Swear Repeat 😂
Thanks for sharing your experiences. H&N Bara FT seem to be the go to benchrest pellet of the moment. I did another video where I compared them to JSB. I thought they had much better quality and consistency.
very nice testing mate . me personally i have never had much trouble with jsb pellets. only had damage pellets due to courier buffoons damage in transit . however i will say i had a couple of times of tge older jsb with the white label lids and they were superb through my spring gun but not night and day difference just grouped a tad better
I agree that transit damage is an issue with pellets. 🙂👍
Can't think that all five tins would be exactly the same over such a long period of time anyway and it stands a good chance that each tin could come from a different die. All things considered, I would say that all of your tins show pretty good consistency of manufacture. I wonder how long each mould lasts before beingscrapped and replaced with a new one? 🤔👍
Yes they are all different die numbers. 🙂👍
Lead in dies of hardened tool steel should not make a big difference over time? My "go to pet" is the yellow RWS Meisterkugeln...
Good vid, those scales are accurate enough( i have similar) and that's compared to my electronic powder scale for fullbore loading,thanks a great effort.
Thanks Peter, appreciate that! 🙂👍
A lot of work there Jeff and probably more variables to take into account. I think the greater spread on the 2022's is probably down to production pressures catching up on time lost during the pandemic. The bigger spread in weight out of the tin will definately affect the velocity enough to give you those POI shifts at 35 yards. Keep up the good work we always learn something or open another can of worms 🤣
Thanks Peter, I think you may be right about the post-covid production pressures. 🙂👍
Good information sir. I think JSB company should think about this matter.
Thanks. I think my observations show they are on the case and making regular minor adjustments to the design in the pursuit of perfection. 🙂👍
@@hftshooter wow.. that's great 🤓
The difference between aiming point and apparent camera aiming point is due to internal scope parallax error. Not to be confused with barrel/scope parallax error. Internal parallax is where changing the position of the pupil changes the apparent aiming point. If you bob your head left to right you will see the apparent point of aim change. Most scopes are parallax corrected for the intended range they are to be used for - 50 meters for rimfire, 100 meters or further out for center fire. Outside of 100 meters it's probably not so critical as long as you are using a centerfire scope. You'll see some scopes listed as "rimfire" but often this metric (parallax distance) is difficult to find for cheaper scopes so you are left guessing until you get it on the firearm for testing.
Most airgun shooters will buy whatever is cheap and available without regard to scope parallax, which might leave them open to potential problems getting tight groups. It's not so much of a problem if you always make sure the field of view (FOV) is dead center of the scope picture (dark ring around the FOV is even all the way around).
Some of the very best scopes have adjustable parallax, however they are about ten times more expensive than the average air rifle. Best to stick to scopes intended for rimfire or airsoft if possible. I haven't come across any scope intended for less than 50 meters but as I say, the real specs are a little hard to come by in most cases. I note that most red dot and similar pistol sights are intended for very close range (eg 25 meters) but they offer no magnification so a bit of a moot point.
I'd be happy to try to explain *how* internal scope parallax happens, but it doesn't help much in learning how to deal with it. It's one of those topics that most shooters ignore because they don't understanding the meaning of the term in this context.
You may commence your trip down this rabbit hole... now.
Hi Chris, thanks for the information. The scope I was using was a digital scope; it doesn't have any parallax error like a standard scope. It can't as it is basically a video camera. 🙂👍
I just checked on the scope, and I can't actually see how there could be parallax error except for a software bug LOL. I'll leave my comment for those using conventional optics however.
Your tin looked good mine were quite badly damaged in the skirts area I had to purchase a pellet sizer to sort this i bought daystate sovereign. 177 these were spot on and great quality, great video topic thanks again for posting 👍
I recently bought some sovereigns to test. Yes, good quality, but expensive and made by JSB I believe. 🙂👍
The 10.34s for me have always been spot on but in all fairness some thing seems to have happened to them in my eyes over the last few years, i still use them by the way but i am honestly thinking of swapping to another brand but will see.
I recently got given a tin of those and have also found them pretty good. I just checked the date and they're 2018! I'll have to get a new tin and see how they go. 🙂👍
I’ve found handful of 13s in my 10.3 tin and 7s in 8.4 tins. Good to always check.
I've seen photos that other shooters have posted online showing rogue pellets in tins, but haven't experienced that myslef. As you say, always good to check. 🙂👍
I have a batch from 2022 and a batch from 2023. They actually look different as the 2023 are deeper. The 2022 batch have flyers in both my Steyr and HW100. Both batches have never had damage issues from the tin! In HFT competition I use the 2023.
Sounds like you found similar results to me.
@@hftshooter Yes, I was thinking that as I watched through the video! I think that people are quick to say JSB are getting worse when in fact they must be good as the top HFT competitors use them! I Chronograph/Marshalled at the Worlds this year and saw set ups where you wouldn't get much change from £5000 using of course JSB pellets! Steyr which is the most winning manufacturer recommend them at 4.52 and 777fps.
I think the Hades and Diabolos in 22 either get battered in transit, or a made with worn out molds, cos of the last 10 tins I bought (two batches of 5, around 20% had mishappen skirts.
I think that's more the fault of the transporters than the factory.
In 2018 bought 8000 JSB .25, 25gr pellets, all of two lots. I spent months in evenings washing all of them, culling damaged ones and weighing every single pellet (everything on my coffee table in front of my couch, put on a movie and watch while processing pellets) then lightly lubing and putting in tins by weight.
So I had great consistent, accurate shooting for years and JSB were the best out there to me. But in February this year I'd used up so many that i had to buy more... I bought four tins and was shocked at the weight spread and the numbers of damaged pellets. Head sizes werent consistent either. And the accuracy was terrible (terrible COMPARED to the old ones)
So I've been searching for a good replacement pellet for months and haven't found any as good as the OLD JSB's.... Very sad situation.
Note most of these pellets were shot out of a WAR FLEX regulated with a custom barrel from WAR's proprietary mandrel at TJ's w/ epoxied on thick CF sleeve that was also tensioned before the epoxy set so this barrel is very very stiff yet lightweight.
Wow, I don't think I have the patience to spend that long sorting pellets.
@@hftshooter ehhh, you just put part of your mind on autopilot and watch the TV and let your hands pick up a pellet, glance down for just a second to roll it to look for damage, look back at the TV while put the pellet in the digital scale, the glance down to see the weight and then put the pellet in the appropriate place on the sorting poster board which had 20 spots from lightest to heaviest in 0.01increments. Maybe 10% of my attention was on the pellets and you do hundreds in the time of a movie. Do that 3 or 4 weeknights a week (left everything set up on the coffee table, but then again, I'm single so no one to complain or kids to bump it around and mess it up.) its not actually that big a task.
@@bobjoatmon1993 can see why you're single 😂😂 jkjk
@nismojukerich2994 yes, it's truly wonderful now I'm a Man Going His Own Way... I discovered I don't need a woman to be happy, no one to have to share my paychecks, no one to have to ask "what do you want to...." And since I don't have a woman draining me like a vampire I have traveled to interesting countries and also have some great man toys (a 38' sailboat and a racecar [racecar spelled backwards is racecar because racecar, Haha] and a few other fun / cool things.)
Making the decision to not look for a woman to 'share my life' with has given me control of my life in ways that shackled men just don't comprehend.
I think you should forward this info to jsb .. food for thought!
Thanks. I'm not sure they'd be interested in the random musings of a bloke with a few tins of pellets. 😂
They know this exactly from their own, much more extensive tests. Ultimately it is an economic decision made by the merchants and not a technical one made by the engineers - as always. 😪
The last 7 tins of JSB made pellets, including 3 tins of Air Arms labeled, that I have purchased in the last 2 years, have had minimal to severe skirt damage. 2 tins of the Air Arms 18gr, (purchased at different times) were I would say 80% unusable. These are .22 cal both 5.51 & 5.52mm head sizes. I believe I have not had a pristine tin since before COVID!
I would guess this was most likely transit damage. I would change my pellet supplier.
I mostly shoot paper targets. Thought my shooting skills were in decline. Switched from JSB and found it was the ammunition. I have tried QYS, H&N and RWS. All are better than JSB used to be. Go-to brand is H&N as I shoot both .22" and .177".
QYS is hard to fault but .177" only and RWS Meisterkugeln are really hard to find in .22" (last few tins had to be private import to the UK from Portugal). While I prefer flat-head pellets for definition in a paper target, H&N Field Target Trophy also works well in my .22".
My BSA has never like JSBs, they work better in my Air Arms rifles, TX200 particularly so - but no longer the best. If you shoot both calibres, I'd suggest H&N or RWS as they both seem to work well in any barrel and are available in both common calibres.
Am currently researching lead-free and the best in .177" is H&N Match Green. My TX200 gives 10p size groups at 25 yards, so not competition grade but OK for spinners or pest control - lead is still more accurate. The 5.25 grain weight means it chronos at 970 ft/sec for a really flat trajectory. (Impact point at 25 yards is 35mm higher than 8.4 grain lead pellets.)
I find all pellets improve if put through a sizing die but lead-free pellets in particular as they are much harder than lead.
Good advice at the end - do your own testing - all guns differ slightly, shooters even more so. 😀
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your last sentence says it all! 🙂👍
I’ve not noticed any difference in .177 however the .22 I’m finding a lot with damaged skirts. I’ve switched to Hades in .22 and so far so good however i think the nuclear in print on them beyond 30 metres is making them more susceptible to wind. I’m currently trying out H&N and AA fields too because if JSB doesn’t sort out their .22’s soon I’m afraid I’ll be another customer leaving. Great video btw good sir
Hi, I believe AA’s are manufactured by JSB.
I’ve been using AA .22 pellets for a while and more recently had a tin with real issues, wonky skirts and some with slightly misshapen domes.
Odd thing is the latest tin of AA’s aren’t bad so am wondering if it isn’t a bit of a lottery.
Just thought I’d mention this, might be worth trying H&N’s as they’re made by a different company. Have found RWS aren’t bad either but of course this all depends on the barrel
@@nickwebb9290Thanks for the heads up mate.
Thanks for sharing! 🙂👍
H&N are my go to pellet brand these days
Certainly good quality. 👍
Great test. I'm not gonna deny that they are very accurate. But my problem is I live in hawaii. By the time I get them the skirts are beat to sht. Especially the newer 7.33gr RS. It's such a Disappointment when thirty percent are unusable😂 The Soft lead jus doesn' ship well.. I go to walmart pick up some premier hollow points. And there tack drivers in my springers.😂 I don't know why. I have better luck with h&n❤
I put my pellets through a sizing die and can tell you that H&Ns are harder than JSB = stronger. I find very few damaged pellets in my H&Ns while JSBs have damaged skirts, just travelling to the UK.
Great point! I think most of the complaints about pellet quality are down to poor shipping. And you're right, JSB lead is very soft compared to other pellets making it more prone to damage perhaps? H&N certainly use a harder lead mix!
H&N Barracuda 8 in 177 plenty accurate enough , also the field target trophy are decent .
The QYS are ludicrously expensive if I was a competition marksman I'd invest but I'm 5p groups out at 40 yards with cheap reximex the others at my range struggling to get that at 25 yards with mega bucks custom guns and QYS pellets
You're right, I've found the bara 8s to be good but not as accurate as some others in pellet tests, but there's not much in it. As you say, if you don't need extreme accuracy they're good enough. 🙂👍
Sample size is to small to really deduce anything from the pellet weights, I always weigh pellets mainly for making sure my competition pellets are all relatively within .10 grains. It’s probably overkill as the difference in drop shouldn’t be that big. Also my understanding is the skirt is always restored to original shape ish once the air is put behind in the barrel, so generally unless it’s completely folded in again it’s not something to worry about to much 👍
I agree with you on skirt damage. I did say my test was very rough and ready! 🙂👍
You did not measure the head size buddy! My JSB exacts 8.44gr in 4.52 had always a nice tight fit in my HW's and had a light resistance when i pushed them in the breach and where shooting great. Now the 4.52 are just dropping in the barrel and are less accurate. I bought the last 4.52 in bulk with the same batch number and they suck😡😡😡Even a new tin to test in 4.53 have a more loose fit than the old 4.52...Waste of money.......
Sorry about that but I don't have a head sizer. You're right about not trusting the head size on the tin.
same has happened to me never again shame i got caught up in the hype , sticking with crosman
Thanx for the vid, very interesting, cheers
No problem 👍
I have notice H&N Baracuda Hunters in .22 have very bitty skirt flats these days. I have to stand them on 1000 grit emery just to take off the surface of the moon type grit. Not a good look. "RIFLE" brand out of Brazil are head and shoulders above..beautifully uniform and clean.
Thanks for the tip. I've seen those Rifle pellets online, I'll have to give them a try.
JSB pellet size? Ignore what it says on the tin and forget sending them emails to complain! They don't reply.
I think we agree on tin marked head sizes, lol.
Possibly meaningless but I tried JSB Exact Diablo 177 4.5 2023. On cocking my HW95 I had to take care as pellets fell out. No other brand or size did this.
I have exactly the same thing with just one of my springers. Really annoying so I've had to swap to something else in that rifle.
I would like to try QYS but can’t find them in Northern Ireland, my Daystate loves the old Bisley Magnums in 453, can’t find them either!😮
Sorry to here that.
Here in the states they are poorly made with uneven skirts. Took out 72 with damaged skirts,
I'm hearing that they don't ship well to the US, must be the soft lead mix they use.
i used to buy JSB without question, thought they were the dogs... October last year someone offered me some QYS. Never touched a JSB Since, utter trash
Whatever works for you, but I wouldn't describe what you see in this video as "utter trash"!
@@hftshooter sir I’m not talking about the video or your comments as utter trash that is reserved for JSP pallets
My apologies, what I meant was that I wouldn't describe the pellets that I checked in the video as utter trash. Perhaps I just had some lucky tins? 🙂👍
JSB went a bit dodgy during covid lockdowns, but have got back in track it the last few years,
I have a few tins a QYS that are terrible, gotva fewcthatvare spot on as well, QYS had a decline when their popularity went up, but like JSB have gotbbsck on track the last few years
At almost $30 a pack for .25, I won't be finding out.
Yes, they can be expensive. I regard them as a premium pellet, but there are usually deals to be had.
Not surprised to see 21 were rubbish. Jsb really fell off during Covid. I noticed it and so did many others. Oddly the Air Arms didn't seem to suffer as much.
I wonder whether they didn't want to let their clients down?
@thedeester100 I know that AA pellets are made for them by JSB but the difference is that all of their pellets only come from one die which has been chosen by AA after testing at the JSB factory. All on a video I saw of a visit to the factory by an American who I can't currently remember unfortunately, but it was probably an hour long and very informative. So I came to the conclusion that if all of the air rifle manufacturers are doing this, then find one that works in your rifle and that should actually be more reliable than buying JSB tins. I believe BSA do the same but not sure who make theirs. I bought a tin of their Gold Star thinking they would be pretty poor because of the price but was amazed they were stacking one on one at 30 metres from my .177 Ghost. You should try them. 🤔🙂👍
@@hftshooter I wouldnt like to say. Covid affected every thing in some way. It was just interesting to see that what I and others thought at the time panned out in your test with 2021 pellets easily the worst on the card. I bought an Impact MKII a month before lockdown and quickly realized it was a bit fussy. As long as I used jsb of some variety though it was fine. As Covid progressed and pre-covid pellets ran out that gun struggled. I took to using the air arms fields which even though JSB seemed to be of better quality.
Great video.
Thanks! 🙂👍
I used them very happy with them .But last 12 months quality is gone down .I purchased a tin of .25 calibre jsb hades and I've had to throw away nearly 40 percent of them owing to the skirts being badly damaged
Sounds like possible shipping damage.
hi six months ago bought a bsa ultra and a tin of 177 jsb exact, great so i bought 4 tins and got 2"groups at 20 yards after much head scratchingthe pellets are way under size and sit in the end of barrel with out touching the rifling
I have the same thing with one of my underlever springers. Lift the rifle to return the underlever and the pellet falls out; really annoying!
I cannot help but wonder if a lightweight SLUG style pellet in 15.89 grain range would be less prone to damage compared to soft skirted diabolos.
A bit heavy for .177 though?
Hi mate I've just been pointed to your channel by one of my own subscribers. My channel is Air gun Britain. Just starting out so nowhere near your efforts yet but hoping I can copy your success 🤞 I've quickly mentioned on one of my videos of jsb pellets not being what they were after a really bad tin. I'll go through all your content hoping to learn, could I ask your opinion on the Weihrauch Hw 100 BP have you ever shot it ? It's a gun I'm considering purchasing? Or could you recommend something better?
Hello mate, good luck with your channel, I just subscribed. 👍
I have shot the hw100 bullpup, but only briefly. I think you'll be very happy with an hw100 it has a great reputation. The only reason I don't have one is because I have other rifles that do the same job. I think you'll be happy with it. If you haven't had a bullpup before you'll need to get used to the hammer hitting right next to your ear. Like anything, try before you buy if possible to be sure it fits you. All the best. 🙂👍
@@hftshooter cheers hft. I really appreciate that. I'm steadily going through your videos now taking in as much as I can. 🥴 I'm learning so that's a good thing. Thanks for the great advice 👌👍
We are going to have to think of more excuses for missing the target if we can no longer blame the pellets
I guess so! 😄
Buy QYS Streamlined, job sorted (y)
I've tried them in the past and they haven't performed for me. Maybe time to give them another try?
you need to get a tin from the usa they look terrible with many bent up skirts and the 22-25-30 are worse than the 177
Clearly from yours and others' comments the softer lead that JSB use doesn't stand up to any rough handling during shipping.
I have four tins of S100s that have corroded! No they haven't been washed. JSB are supposed to lube their pellets.
As I understand it, they use a release agent to help them release from the die, not lube.
You need a beam scale! Throw the electronic(Unless of lab quality) away.
Some electronic scales come with a calibration weight and are absolutely fine if re-calibrated every time you use them.
My scales are fine for what I use them for. For me expensive scales would just be a waste of money.
Yes I had one. Weigh five pellets and then reweigh them, get the same reading? Mine didn't and that's why I bought a beam scale instead. I need pellets of all the same weight, regardless of what the weight actually is. If you get one, add epoxy and used pellets to the inside of the base to stop it moving around so easily.
Yes they suck .. i mostly use slugs or AEA pellets .
Well maybe not all of them. 😄
Swapped to H&N FTT price of JSB is off putting for me
H&N FTT shoot as well as or better than JSB in all my rifles.
Give the H&N Baracuda FT a try if you can find some; excellent quality! 🙂👍
@@hftshooter tried them do not suit either my under lever or break barrel, they just look like I’ve used a 12 bore
Much ado sbout nothin😂
You're probably right! 🙂👍
Jsb pellets suck, I prefer h&n
Whatever works for you.
Well the top shooters tend to favour JSB!
@Happy-Me. they can favor whatever they want, it's their choice and money, I have better luck with h&n, the quality of jsb is not as good, I don't care if they prefer crossman or some home made crap, I shoot what I get the best results with
@@woofman4796 i get best results with crosman premier