Dr. Kwon Rope Drill - Not What Ben Hogan Was Doing
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2023
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In this video Christopher is going to show you how you should be doing Dr. Kwon's Rope drill if you want better rotation in your golf swing. Once you get things working on the the correct path achieving better rotation is a fore gone conclusion and you will finally experience better ball striking.
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Some people have more sholder turn and therefore need less arms. Others have less shoulder turn and need more arms. Dr Kwons drill is more about finding the rhythm and natural plan for each individual. When the rope hits your love handle area its too flat, adjust your angle. If it ends at your neck your too step, adjust your angle. Other then that, find a rhythm that keeps tension on the rope.
Yes, Hudson's suggestions vs Dr. Kwan's teachings is basically making a different circle on a different plane and by keeping your right elbow in more you will be swinging with
"shorter" arms so much more like swinging the rope with your hands more than extended arms. But the whole point in both is you are swinging the end of the rope or just the club head AWAY from you keeping the tension pulling away from you. Physicists might say that you are actually pulling towards your center, centripetal vs centrifugal yada yada but practically its easier to envision the club head swinging away from your center like a ball on a string. So all the variables of your particular human body make the backswing circle different from the downswing circle. The downswing circle or forward swing circle is the most important because that's the circle you impact the golf ball with. But the point is you are not using leverage directing the force with your hands and wrists like hitting at the ball with a rigid stick. Rather you are just swing the weight of the clubhead away from you like swinging a ball on a string keeping the tension on the string making the ball swing around in a circular orbit. So the more taut you can make the string or the club the faster you can swing and with more force going out to the clubhead impacting the ball with more force. So if you have mishits like your club face is open than its mostly because the path of your circle is not right or the center of your circle has moved etc. But the point is you have to adjust your overall forward swing circle and not compensate and adjust at the last moment, so its still just swing the clubhead in a circle away from you not towards the ball or towards the target....IMO 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Love Dr Kwon's drills and especially the rope drill. Use it to warm up before every round. Depending on what plane you use will depend the path the rope goes and where it hits the body. I personally think the body build and player flexibility will determine the best plane path. As I age I struggle with my turn early and late in a round.
Thanks for sharing.
Kwon's drill is a tempo and sequence drill so you don't get too fast at the top.
Great drill Chris! rope finishes hitting your right shoulder!! Thnk you.
You bet! Plus it demonstrates the proper shift to the downswing plane, this being slightly out and up.
Very helpful, Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
When did Dr. Kwon ever say that the rope drill is to train the Hogan swing??? I dont watch all his videos but have watched a few. I dont think he has ever stated that hes teaching the Hogan swing or that his drills/lessons are to teach the Hogan swing.
I also have the rope. Love the rope drill. Makes the swing one whole motion. I can actually feel the use of the ground when doing the drill. Its also a great tool warm up with.
I never said Dr. K said it was to train the Hogan swing. I stated that if we do it differently, it will allow us to get better feels for what Hogan was doing.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHoganyea, but the video basically slanders Dr.Kwon. Your basically throwing Dr.Kwon under the bus on the accusations that hes teaching the Hogan swing when hes not. Your video makes it appear that his rope drill is a terrible example of the Hogan swing when his rope drill never was the Hogan swing. It has nothing to do with the Hogan swing. He never mentions in any video that he teaches the Hogan swing yet your coming after him like he does. It comes off petty. Like your butthurt for some reason.
I totally respect Dr. Kwon, Hogan as well as yourself. When I do this rope drill, my intent is to maintain spine tilt.
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Kwon’s rope drill is not meant to teach a swing plane, it’s meant to teach ground reaction force and starting the kinetic chain in the right sequence. This is true and evident in both swings demonstrated. Where it wraps around your body in Kwon’s drill is more a feedback mechanism that you have the right sequence. If it’s slapping you all over the place like you owe it money then you are using the wrong muscles to drive the motion. If it arrives at each end of the sequence gently and reliably then you have the right movement pattern and tempo.
Maybe, but one pattern causes different ground reaction forces than the other.
That is true, but if you listen to what Mike Adams and Dr. Scott Lynn discuss, there are different GRF patterns (Spinner, Glider, Launcher) that suit different players and if you try to stuff everyone into one pattern you sub-optimize 2/3 of the population. But for all 3 types the sequence of force is the same…horizontal, rotational and then vertical. Both your demonstration and Dr. Kwon’s follow this pattern. You just happen to preach more of a ‘spinner’ and he happens to be demonstrating more of a ‘launcher’
Great video been chasing This feel in the swing
Thanks. Hope it helps.
I have watched Dr Kwon and tried his teachings for quite awhile. Has not worked for me. I’ve had a lot more success watching and trying your videos. No longer following other instructors. Hogan swing really makes sense to me. I’ve spent years getting rid of the baseball swing with the modern swing teaching. Finally swinging the club in away that really makes sense to me. So fortunate to have found your teaching. Thank you so much
The big question is then, is it Kwan's swing or Hogan's swing the better/best one? We have two drills and two swings, but no firm answer. Is chasing Hogan, the correct path for all of us or shorter people or what? Thanks for the video.
I think Dr. Kwon's stuff is more for an arm swinger and getting the body to support the swinging arms and hands. I think Hogan's swing is more about using the body to generate better rotation. Just my opinion. I believe chasing Hogan's fundamentals will help more golfers become better players no matter their size. Most golfers think Hogan's moves are not friendly on the body, however look at everything he won after the accident and his body was really messed up. So to those golfers that think that way, I would just ask them to re-think their own personal conclusions.
Ben Hogan swung the club free, fluid, and fast. His secret was hardwork, dedication, and skill. Maybe more than any other golfer ever. If you're worried about what the body is constantly doing, you'll never be good at this game. You can't consciously think of all these things while swinging a club.
Your right. The swing should be automatic. However, you first need to understand what is happening, then practice it, then own it without thought.
Is your intent to try to get everyone to swing like Ben Hogan?
No. Just to understand, there is a different pattern or a different choice than what is being taught today.
Keep doing the rope drill, as you sound a tad puffed out, good cardio workout just trying to get u fit!
Thanks, will do!
Well, Dr. K is not teaching a Hogan two plane swing. He seems to be explicitly agnostic to swing planes though symmetry on back and forward swing suggests one swing but he doesn't detect/correct for it. So it is apples/oranges - not the same intent. Interestingly, he is advocating a process and not so much about the details and you are all about the Hogan details and not about process. BTW it is not clear what you mean by "this" and "that"...I could not see what you were referring to....pretty good videos, this one could be redone.
The forces and ground force reactions are different. It is not apples to oranges, I think it has more to do with the intent. is different. Just my opinion. In this video when Dr. K is speaking he references a flat plane (incorrect) and that the rope ending up around the neck is incorrect. However, doing the motion the way I have shown the rope comes up higher than the Lat on the other side. This is what is confirming the outward and upward shift in the downswing plane that Hogan explained. Maybe I will make a video going into greater detail in the future. Thanks for your comment and participation on the channel.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan I fully agree with you on intent, forces and ground forces… they are different and you/Mr Hogan do it differently, certainly IMHO a more beautiful elegant and efficient swing. With the 7.5 deg outward shift, it makes sense that the rope finishes in a different place on the lat. It seems that Dr. K’s techniques works too - it seems the current technique can be (though not necessarily, if the player holds through impact) more symmetric. I missed the bit about flat plan and finishing around the neck. It seems that you have a lot of thoughts and appreciate hearing them. Hogan will never go out of favour. I always hit better after reading 5 lessons but then I lose my way. I guess that is called talent which I realize I have not much. :-). Love the videos - great clear demonstrations. Learning how Hogan and the others fit or not fit together.
@@pbandj7764 Thanks. It is really nice hearing your thoughts on the subject matter. To me Hogan's teachings have been misunderstood for long enough, which is the reason for the channel. I love golf and being on the golf course is second to none. I am just trying to help golfers realize they can do things a different way than what is being taught online by the mainstream golf instructors. Again thanks, and glad you are part of the communication on this channel.
Dr Kwon is far more qualified than you. His rope drill is to develop the sequence (timing, tempo and rhythm) re golf dynamics to his students etc. AND you shouldn’t discredit others on your channel.
Not when it comes to teaching. Actually Dr. K's stuff is primarily about motion patterns and there are many times in some of the videos he has been in where he says he is not a golf instructor and does not get into that area of it. What I am saying is it is not the best pattern to improve rotation in the golf swing. I am not discrediting Dr. K. I am just saying there is a better way to approach this drill that will do 3 things. 1st, it will improve rotation, second it will improve hand path, and 3rd it will allow a golfer to experience what Hogan meant by the downswing plane shift (slightly out and up).
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan fair enough
Bad drill . If he did it with a cut out ⭕️ like a steering wheel
🛞. Than he can show how the different parts of the body resist against each other. Turning the wheel one direction. As body turns the other
Thanks for your opinion.
YOUR teaching the one plane swing.... Dwon teaches a 2 plane swing. depends what you want
One way is inferior to the other on so many different levels. As you said though, depends what you want.
Anything that gets a golfer swinging the handle area and not using the clubhead area as a lever is helpful. Hogan was a result of his physique, and explosive turn and of course the dirt.
First of all you both look almost the same with the rope. The drill is about movement and motion...this was weak !
Thanks for the comment. Weak, not really, 2 totally different reaction patterns.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan First of all to call someone out by name and discount what THEY do is classless. Mr. Hogan would never do such a thing. Stick to Hogan .
@@robbiemangiardimusic thanks for your opinion.