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  • @DaveMcKeegan
    @DaveMcKeegan  Рік тому +22

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    • @greenmii6000
      @greenmii6000 Рік тому

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    • @Level_No_Curve
      @Level_No_Curve Рік тому

      🤡 spewing garbage for shekels

    • @ongabriendocaminos2197
      @ongabriendocaminos2197 Рік тому +4

      Talking to flat earthers/deniers/etc. it's like arguing with a kid who dropped out of elementary school and is also drunk. I find it very funny and sad at the same time.

    • @Level_No_Curve
      @Level_No_Curve Рік тому

      @@ongabriendocaminos2197 i feel the same when trying to explain how demonstrable reality destroys the globe delusion. Its like taking to a mentally retarded spastic. You lot can only insult amd ad hom. No practicality to your ridiculous claims

    • @hasegawataizo4069
      @hasegawataizo4069 11 місяців тому

      The Galaxy might be flat, but the Earth is not. That still doesn't mean the ISS is real.

  • @Papinak2
    @Papinak2 Рік тому +1240

    I love one thing about these theories - once you get into details how the faking would actually work, it becomes more and more apparent that it's easier to do it for real

    • @misterocain
      @misterocain Рік тому +124

      Spot on. The excuses are far more complex than the reality. That's why i think most Flerfs are mere poes, looking for a bit of fun.

    • @jamesdelius
      @jamesdelius Рік тому +45

      Can't remember which debunker it was that did a bit that was something like... (phone rings) "it's for you. Yeah, a Mr. Occam's on the line. " Sums this sort of thing up perfectly.

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees Рік тому +83

      Well, the problem with most of these conspiracy theories starts even way before we need to ponder _how_ they do it. I mean, _why_ would they do it? What's the incentive?
      You don't go through all of this effort to pull the wool over the entire populace's eyes if you don't stand to gain from it. So what do "they" have to gain from this supposed lie? The entire premise that so many people would cooperate to make this "lie" look real makes no sense whatsoever.

    • @misterocain
      @misterocain Рік тому +43

      @@EvenTheDogAgrees It provides a perceived relevancy to otherwise irrelevant people.

    • @seantaylor6691
      @seantaylor6691 Рік тому +6

      @@jamesdelius Was it Sabine? She's not so much a debunker but her phone is pretty legendary :D

  • @scottmanley
    @scottmanley Рік тому +1817

    I once measured the speed an altitude of the ISS using two cameras on the ground. 400km up and 7.5km/sec
    To perform this ‘complex’ task I couldn’t do it alone. I needed the help of middle school students. 😅😅

    • @GoD1014
      @GoD1014 Рік тому +56

      Thank you for your work!

    • @DarkPlaysThings
      @DarkPlaysThings Рік тому +2

      You were fooled by the middle schoolers! They are actually spies working for Big Astronomy and rigged your results! Open your eyes!

    • @Jan_Strzelecki
      @Jan_Strzelecki Рік тому +72

      This sounds like a setup for the "African or European swallow?" joke 😁😁

    • @kefhomepage
      @kefhomepage Рік тому +80

      Way over the intellect of a flat Earther then.🤣

    • @dogwalker666
      @dogwalker666 Рік тому +39

      But flurfs can't maths!

  • @supremeownage8995
    @supremeownage8995 Рік тому +157

    I love the idea of some random NASA employee in a bar somewhere getting bored and being like "I'll tell you the secret mate, it's a plane covered in Lights!" and getting a kick how they just believe him.

    • @pretzelbomb6105
      @pretzelbomb6105 Рік тому +28

      Far more likely that the "NASA employee" was actually an accountant or a delivery driver or a full-time student- really, just about anyone can walk up to a flat earth UA-camr and so long as you keep a straight face they'll take everything you say seriously.

    • @prdurnion83
      @prdurnion83 Рік тому +23

      @@pretzelbomb6105 Unless you're telling them that they're wrong.

    • @AsmodeusMictian
      @AsmodeusMictian 11 місяців тому +15

      Wizard's First Rule:
      People are easy to lie to. Just tell them something they already think is true, or something they're afraid is true.

    • @YoungSavage
      @YoungSavage 10 місяців тому

      so they'll believe anything a NASA "employee" tells them if it lines up with their preconceived notions, yet regard NASA employees as completely untrustworthy regarding literally anything else?
      definitely not gullible or anything.

    • @ericpode6095
      @ericpode6095 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@AsmodeusMictianthat sounds like it would be a Discworld quote but I don't recognise it.

  • @LobbeWOW
    @LobbeWOW Рік тому +424

    Wouldn't creating a plane with the shape and speed of the ISS be a bigger challenge than just making the ISS?

    • @Diggnuts
      @Diggnuts Рік тому

      Indeed. It would just be simpler faking the ISS by just building a space station and faking it is space....

    • @deadturret4049
      @deadturret4049 Рік тому +54

      It would. The air resistance alone would be a nightmare.

    • @floseatyard8063
      @floseatyard8063 Рік тому +20

      Yes it would, plane nerd here the drag would literally crash the plane, there's no way some supersonic or heck even modified airliner like the shuttle carrier would carry all of that. 500 mph+ going forward so 500 mph winds going backward and hitting those solar panels, would just make the plane so slow it would stall and crash or atleast not be able to replicate the ISS'S speed

    • @GeekOfAllness
      @GeekOfAllness Рік тому +17

      Suppose for a second that you believe the Earth is flat, and gravity only pulls downwards. Why you'd believe that is anyone's guess.
      Now, you can build the ISS, but you can't actually make it orbit the Earth, because orbital mechanics are a conspiracy. So the only way the ISS can actually stay above the Earth involves thrusters, aerodynamic lift, or similar processes.
      At this point, creating a plane with the shape and speed of the ISS is exactly the same challenge as creating the ISS, because they're literally the same thing.
      There's nothing physically stopping a plane from accomplishing this, at least in straight and level flight. You just make it go really fast and it will generate enough lift to stay airborne. In real life, there's an altitude where that speed is so high you're just orbiting the planet. That's called the Kármán line.
      But if all the gravity is pointing the same direction, orbit doesn't exist, so you're just flying really fast. If the air is scarcer up there (not sure if flat Earthers actually believe that), you don't even need particularly strong materials, because there's not a lot of heat. Sure, you're hitting the molecules really fast, but you're not hitting very many of them. That's why you have to fly so fast to get lift. So if you make an efficient design, it should be possible to stay airborne a couple hundred miles up with enough speed, if there's enough air, without heating the aircraft enough that it would glow in the dark.
      The aerodynamics would be tricky while appearing to be a non-aerodynamic shape, but you could plausibly have some kind of clear glass or plastic shell that's aerodynamic, with solar panels inside it. Why you'd do that instead of just leaving them off is a salient question I don't have an answer to.
      Of course, you can just look at the ISS at the right IR wavelengths to measure its surface temperature, which, with sufficient camera resolution (that's really expensive for these kinds of cameras) would show that the solar panels are not actually surrounded by any kind of clear material, since that would easily show up against the 2K background of space if it had enough friction to generate lift.
      You can build a telescope so you don't need super-high resolution, then use a $1000 hunting thermal imager, but your telescope has to have active cooling, and refract the correct wavelengths, to get a clean image. I haven't looked recently, but I doubt it's cheap.
      There's also the problem of changing directions. It's conceivable something could get to that speed, but the amount of acceleration required to do the proposed "orbital" loops would need crazy amounts of constant power that would be visible from Mars. Maybe; I didn't actually do the math. But it would definitely be hard to hide what's essentially a rocket trail from being easily visible with any thermal imaging device.

    • @paulmurgatroyd6372
      @paulmurgatroyd6372 Рік тому

      Whoever actually told David Weiss about the planes faking the ISS (if indeed anyone did) was clearly having a great time winding the giant key in his back.

  • @timolynch149
    @timolynch149 Рік тому +581

    The thing with the science denying "community" is this: They demand all sorts of evidence and when presented with it deny it or just move the goalposts while at the same time they present no evidence for their own position that holds under any kind of scrutiny. Very often any conversation boils down to one side demanding that the other side prove the entirety of physics to them. You have done a wonderful job in this video, explained things, demonstrated why, for example, David Weiss is simply wrong with his, let's be generous, idea. It will not move the needle, sadly.
    "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

    • @Sacrengard
      @Sacrengard Рік тому +53

      They are like kids who will come up with a different excuse when the one they presented did not work, and when that one doesnt work they will come up with a new one, and so on...

    • @paull8678
      @paull8678 Рік тому +45

      If their standard of evidence for a flat earth were even a tenth as stringent as their standard of evidence for the globe, none of them would be flerfs.

    • @sirbum1918
      @sirbum1918 Рік тому +34

      Interesting how one side uses science and the other side uses, errr, something...

    • @qlqnen
      @qlqnen Рік тому +38

      Yup. I've had flerfs "debunk" gravity, because "has anyone discovered the graviton?" Then they say that buoyancy just is, no need to explain how or why it works. It just is. Nevermind you need g to explain it.

    • @Carlos_12
      @Carlos_12 Рік тому +26

      What's crazy is you can see the iss with your own eyes and can take pictures of it if you have the right equipment. Then these guys will say "NASA put something in the camera lens " 😂

  • @bgb946
    @bgb946 Рік тому +365

    It’s crazy that they think NASA would get money to fly planes to fake the ISS. 😂

    • @AdemOmerovicBA
      @AdemOmerovicBA Рік тому +11

      Devil worshippers always find money to stir the flock from the righteous path 😅

    • @kuuno2
      @kuuno2 Рік тому +26

      How much petrol products it would consume 😂 and cost of them 😂

    • @JohnNotAMurderer
      @JohnNotAMurderer Рік тому

      ​@@AdemOmerovicBANot everyone cares about your false religion.

    • @tvre0
      @tvre0 Рік тому +4

      @@kuuno2probably as much as some wars so far

    • @PaulStSmith
      @PaulStSmith Рік тому +21

      Nowadays, Nasa can't get money to even to fly the REAL ISS.

  • @yougosquishnow
    @yougosquishnow Рік тому +46

    "I spoke to a nasa whistelblower" is code for "I made it up."

    • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
      @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 5 місяців тому +4

      Or: _I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me."_ 😋

    • @rubi_t
      @rubi_t 4 місяці тому +2

      @@Allan_aka_RocKITEman "...as long as it confirms my existing conspiracy theories."

    • @jimnaden5594
      @jimnaden5594 3 місяці тому +1

      @@Allan_aka_RocKITEman - "Or: I believe ANYTHING that ANYONE tells me." Except a science teacher.

    • @cinzia2504
      @cinzia2504 3 місяці тому +1

      or maybe the nasa whistleblower trolled him

    • @skz5k2
      @skz5k2 2 місяці тому

      @@cinzia2504 They were really cruel XD

  • @JohnV170
    @JohnV170 10 місяців тому +41

    Lol imagine a plane that could go around the planet in 90 minutes 😆

    • @DaveMcKeegan
      @DaveMcKeegan  10 місяців тому +30

      Forget the old Concorde trick of eating breakfast in London and then flying to New York in time for breakfast - with that plane you could start eating breakfast in London and be in New York before you finish 🤣

    • @wally7856
      @wally7856 7 місяців тому +2

      They have more then 1 plane silly.

    • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
      @Allan_aka_RocKITEman 5 місяців тому +4

      ​@@DaveMcKeegan>>> Do you realize how much *MONEY* could be made from a _commercial aircraft_ with that capability??!!

    • @commandoepsilon4664
      @commandoepsilon4664 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Allan_aka_RocKITEman That would depend heavily, mostly on the upkeep. In the case of the Concorde itself it was shut down because it wasn't profitable, in fact it only ever lost money afaik. It was just too expensive for most people to take over a normal airline and the upkeep on the plane itself wasn't cheap. So even if you had a plane that could go from Sydney to New York in ten minutes if it was fueled by weapons grade plutonium rods that cost 4 billion dollars per trip, it'd be nearly impossible to make money from it, just as an exaggerated example.

    • @michaelawford7325
      @michaelawford7325 3 місяці тому +3

      @@wally7856A sort of relay race? But how does having 10 planes going round the earth increase the speed 10 times? Drrrr

  • @guyrose2847
    @guyrose2847 Рік тому +496

    That NASA whistleblower is probably a guy on a program, who empties trash cans and cleans the toilets. You know, a typical Flat Earth Dave top notch informant.

    • @richardvine5915
      @richardvine5915 Рік тому +39

      Gotta lie to flerf......

    • @TomJacobW
      @TomJacobW Рік тому

      @@richardvine5915or that; for clout! It’s the same ridiculous blind following of authority, when they like, what these people are saying; like those hyper trained, giga smart, all 100% always reliable and trustworthy cant-tell-wrong human-machines that are fighter pilots or military personnel, when it’s something about “aliens” or “UFOs”…

    • @TomJacobW
      @TomJacobW Рік тому +78

      Or just a plain “I made it the f up” sort of guy. There’s quite a bunch of videos on yt showing, what the standards for verification are for these great “intellectuals and academics” in the flat earth community! You can literally write them “I work for gov, earth is flat; all a huge hoax” and they will believe it and quote you - only thing you gotta remember is to use a lot of complicated-sounding jargon and a very authority laden ductus.

    • @docostler
      @docostler Рік тому +18

      I'm pretty sure FE Dave was actually talking to himself. Perhaps one of him wore a hat, or glasses, or something so FED could keep track of which him was talking when.

    • @Isolder74
      @Isolder74 Рік тому

      Or just doesn’t exist at all. He’s just cribbing from the playbook of Bill Kaysing. Using something called a proof surrogate. Basically it’s combining an appeal to authority without actually providing a source. It basically lets you claim anything that you want and then pretend it has validity. It also plays right into the conspiracy mindset to push them to accept it as I’m protecting my source from ‘them’ so that his type just buy it without question.

  • @raztubes
    @raztubes Рік тому +234

    There's got to be something so satisfying about trolling that guy by telling him you're a NASA whistleblower and making him believe utter nonsense.

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому

      Flat Earthers will believe ANYTHING fed to them which agrees with their delusion. Confirmation bias is all they have.

    • @nightmareTomek
      @nightmareTomek Рік тому +42

      Yeah, I would have said he's straight up lying about the whistleblower. But then I remembered the magic of trolls.

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому

      @@nightmareTomek When flat Earthers make definitive statements they are easy meat... I had one tell me once that mathematics was fake and he had a degree in mathematics as proof of his "credentials". When asked how he passed his exams he said he just rote memorized the formulas and gave the answers the examiners wanted. There was silence when he was informed that that isn't how mathematics works and that you cannot go through a degree course without understanding the subject.
      Another flat Earther tried to tell me that the Sun was small in the morning and evening but larger at noon when it was overhead. When I informed him that I had a telescope with a solar filter and the Sun did NOT change size throughout the day, he "countered" by saying he too had a telescope with a solar filter (he had never heard of a solar filter prior to my mentioning it) and that the Sun DID change size. I then informed him that god didn't like liars (he was a religiot) because he was doing the work of satan and that he would be damned for all time... he went absolutely psycho, doubled down, and evntually went quiet when he realised he was trapped in a dilemma of his own making.

    • @rwech
      @rwech Рік тому +2

      😂🤣😆

    • @thepapschmearmd
      @thepapschmearmd Рік тому +5

      @@nightmareTomekhe almost certainly is lying.

  • @pouyan74
    @pouyan74 Рік тому +95

    I live in Iran. And guess what! I've seen the ISS here too - many times indeed! Now, would any of the flat earthers mind explaining how could an American reconnaissance plane possibly pass the Iranian airspace routinely and safely without causing any political tension? How can an RQ-170 flying near the Iranian borders result in tons of political backlashes between Tehran and DC for years, while a U-2 zipping through Iran several times a month is just OK to the governments?

    • @therealzilch
      @therealzilch Рік тому

      It's because Tehran believes the NASA propaganda too. :)

    • @MattExzy
      @MattExzy Рік тому +17

      I remember the first time I saw the ISS flyover head... it was about a decade ago, and I deliberately researched what time it would pass over. I've always been into space stuff, but thought it was odd I'd never looked for it. Anyway, it was a humbling experience, it was of course totally silent, but there was something magical about it. I feel bad (almost) for flat earthers that can't experience truth - because the truth is so fantastic.

    • @SVKTed
      @SVKTed Рік тому

      Afraid they won´t mind. :D At best, they´ll claim Iran doesn´t exist. Just another US conspiracy to burn money. Anyway, cheers for the comment, made my day.

    • @sauercrowder
      @sauercrowder Рік тому

      Because they're in on it. Iran's conflict with the US is nothing more than theater designed to make you believe exactly this. You have no idea how far this conspiracy goes. I envy your blissful ignorance.
      /s

    • @indalcecio
      @indalcecio Рік тому

      There is no point in trying to argue with them, they'll just say that Iran is secretly in on the conspiracy. They literally claim that despite there never having been one single thing we have been able to get every single country to agree on, apparently they all agree to perpetuate flat earth and spend trillions of dollars keeping up the charade.
      You can never convince one no matter what because they see anyone arguing against their beliefs as persecution which they see as proof that they're right. It's a cult.

  • @Wolfie6020
    @Wolfie6020 Рік тому +26

    Anyone who thinks the precise
    predictably of ISS sightings regularly around the world for two decades without a single break is possible with aircraft has no clue about aerodynamics, meteorology or basic physics.

    • @MattH-wg7ou
      @MattH-wg7ou 6 місяців тому +3

      Well they dont understand Newtons laws of motion either so basic physics is a struggle for them. "Rockets cant work in a vacuum because theres nothing to push against" etc.

    • @kkobayashi1
      @kkobayashi1 5 місяців тому

      We can't see the ISS when it's cloudy though

    • @MattH-wg7ou
      @MattH-wg7ou 5 місяців тому +1

      @@kkobayashi1 what a brilliant observation. Radar can though.

    • @kkobayashi1
      @kkobayashi1 5 місяців тому

      @@MattH-wg7ou Do radars actually track the ISS? Primary radar or secondary? Which ones?

    • @Stealthmodeactivated-h8w
      @Stealthmodeactivated-h8w 4 місяці тому +1

      Or the fact the iss has ham radio,and talks often to radio operators on the earth,i too recorded the iss talking to the schools several times.

  • @EVRose60
    @EVRose60 Рік тому +126

    I had some simpleton telling me yesterday that the space shuttle and the ISS is a balloon. He was dead serious.

    • @christasimon9716
      @christasimon9716 Рік тому +35

      Hey, I had an alleged surveyor trying to tell me that GPS satellites are held up by helium balloons, just blowing around in the wind... which is how positioning is so precise.

    • @jasmijnariel
      @jasmijnariel Рік тому +10

      Not even rockets fly that fast inside the atmoSPHERE!😂

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Рік тому +4

      How did he explain its speed and accurate position

    • @EVRose60
      @EVRose60 Рік тому +14

      @@christasimon9716 I had a guy denying that GPS stands for GLOBAL Positioning System. He claimed it was GROUND based Positioning System. 😂

    • @MrKillerno1
      @MrKillerno1 Рік тому

      and then to think that we all are related...Tsssss, where did GOD went wrong? HUGELY WRONG!

  • @jordanjoestar-turniptruck
    @jordanjoestar-turniptruck Рік тому +54

    Paying attention in high school physics can solve a lot of problems

    • @glennpearson9348
      @glennpearson9348 Рік тому +26

      Paying attention to 3rd-grade study of the solar system can solve this particular problem.

    • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192
      @goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Рік тому +9

      @@glennpearson9348Absolutely! I never took high school (or college, for that matter) physics. A little basic logic & critical thought can go a long way towards understanding relatively complex topics. The really complex ones I just have to pretend that I understand, though I’m not sure anyone truly grasps particle physics all that well, even particle physicists🤣

    • @lyndafjellman3315
      @lyndafjellman3315 Рік тому +2

      High school physics is an elective. They were probably majoring in keggers, so it wasn't required.

    • @tipigi3570
      @tipigi3570 Рік тому +5

      Yep, guys like David Weiss were the same kids in school that kept asking "Why do we have to learn this?" and saying "We'll never use this!".

    • @glennpearson9348
      @glennpearson9348 Рік тому +1

      @@goldenageofdinosaurs7192 When it comes to particle physics, I just nod my head and say "Schroedinger's Cat" every once in a while...

  • @fepatton
    @fepatton Рік тому +23

    Even though these videos will not persuade the hard core flat-Earthers, they are _very_ important for viewers who might be thinking, “Do these people have a point?” Keep it up!

    • @LaurentCassaro
      @LaurentCassaro Рік тому +1

      Exactly!

    • @maxfan1591
      @maxfan1591 Рік тому +2

      Yes, this! As long as idle viewers of flerfery don't learn it's been refuted, there's the possibility that they'll believe it.

  • @mangojulie123
    @mangojulie123 Рік тому +54

    Flerfs: people who cannot credibly explain why the sun has disappeared EVERY GODDAMN NIGHT for as long as they've lived!
    Mere Children: the sun sets over the horizon!

    • @tacticallemon7518
      @tacticallemon7518 10 місяців тому +4

      As someone who’s spent a lot of time trying to figure out *how* flerths happen, they believe that air, air moisture, and just about any science term you can think of bends light to appear as if you’re on a globe

    • @mangojulie123
      @mangojulie123 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@tacticallemon7518 Yeah, it's as if their entire flat Earth has conspired against them! 😂

    • @homiej8163
      @homiej8163 10 місяців тому

      Stop using logic, no flerfer will understand such concepts as “horizon”

    • @bhafferty5184
      @bhafferty5184 7 місяців тому

      @@tacticallemon7518which is an explanation infinitely more convoluted than just accepting that the earth is round

    • @tacticallemon7518
      @tacticallemon7518 7 місяців тому +1

      @@homiej8163 i’ve heard one say “you don’t call it the curvision” as a way to prove it’s flat

  • @JohnnyHughes1
    @JohnnyHughes1 Рік тому +116

    I love it when they off-handedly reply it could be something that is orders of magnitude harder to do than actually launching modules to create a space station.

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees Рік тому +15

      That's not an argument that will ever convince them though. It's only harder to do if the earth is round, and therefore, things such as "orbits" exist. Flat Earthers believe the opposite. To them, "launching modules into orbit" is impossible, as there is no such thing as an orbit to launch modules into. In our world view, their explanation is orders of magnitude harder to pull off than ours. But since they believe our explanation to be literally impossible. Well, "incredibly elaborate" is still trivial compared to "literally impossible".

    • @keiyakins
      @keiyakins Рік тому +1

      Having tried to get people to coordinate... their explanation is even more impossible😂

  • @williamgeorge2580
    @williamgeorge2580 Рік тому +92

    Reality is far less complicated than the things these guys come up with to explain the holes in their beliefs.

  • @DNMEBOY
    @DNMEBOY Рік тому +5

    “The ISS is as bright as the sun”
    So, why doesn’t night to turn to day every time it passes over head after dark?
    And these guys wonder why no one takes them seriously….

    • @dougadams9419
      @dougadams9419 Рік тому

      overhead is one word.

    • @DNMEBOY
      @DNMEBOY Рік тому

      @@dougadams9419 The first word of a sentence is supposed to be capitalized.

  • @thomasw.eggers4303
    @thomasw.eggers4303 Рік тому +24

    I talked with a surveyor today. He was parked alongside the road, so I stopped and talked. He was well aware of the difference between "level" and "flat". He knew the earth "fell off" due to curvature, but he couldn't remember how much. (He was OK with 6-8cm per kilometer.) He said all his electronic equipment took care of issues like that, and all he had to do was walk around with his locator, and the equipment followed him (accuracy to a centimeter). I told him why I stopped (I had been following the flat earth people on UA-cam), and he just laughed.

    • @CreativeName574
      @CreativeName574 11 місяців тому

      I mean, it is pretty absurd to follow flat earth believers on youtube

    • @thomasw.eggers4303
      @thomasw.eggers4303 11 місяців тому +1

      @@CreativeName574 Agreed. It is sort of interesting to see where there (il)logic leads them, but it quickly gets really old.

    • @trevormillar1576
      @trevormillar1576 Місяць тому

      Doesn't anyone gave anything better to do than trying to see glorified satellites at night?

    • @trevormillar1576
      @trevormillar1576 Місяць тому

      Your "NASA whistleblower" is pulling your leg.

  • @battlesheep2552
    @battlesheep2552 Рік тому +68

    I just realized that in order to pull this off, NASA must have a perfectly working model of the flat earth, something that the "geniuses" at the flerf society could never figure out. How about that?

    • @monhi64
      @monhi64 Рік тому

      To be fair I thought that flat earther always thought NASA did have the correct working model of flat earth and are dedicated to hiding that from everyone else…for some reason

  • @Groffili
    @Groffili Рік тому +286

    Flat Earthers tend to have a massive problem with the concept of "scale".
    So, from their side, it is: "Plane. Flying high. Flying fast. ISS. Flying high. Flying fast. Must be the same!"
    Measurements, calculations, precision, different scales... all these things are anathema to Flat Earthers.

    • @TexasProSIM
      @TexasProSIM Рік тому +43

      That is a good point. I believe their failure to understand scale and measurement is directly linked to their lack of education in math and physics. It only takes a basic high school education to figure out mathematically the earth is not flat

    • @TomJacobW
      @TomJacobW Рік тому +28

      @@TexasProSIMit is hard/impossible to imagine; they cannot for the love of them use logics and analytics; it has got to be “visualized”, which is also a problem I noticed being very prevalent in education/school!
      Works on the small frame, too: Tell them your average virus is “smaller than light” (wavelength of visual light) and they will look at you utterly bedazzled.

    • @jfmezei
      @jfmezei Рік тому +24

      Do not underestiate Flat Earther Society. It has members from around the globe 🙂

    • @flaco777
      @flaco777 Рік тому

      I'm convinced true beleiver Flat Earthers all suffer from some form of aphantasia.

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees Рік тому

      @@TexasProSIM And yet, there are "prominent" flat earthers who apparently really have a math/science background. Really weird.
      I remember back in university there was this guy who was active on IRC, and also did the traditional "soapbox on a market square" thing on occasion, who believed all sorts of conspiracy theories. One of them being that the moon landing was fake, since the entire space program was impossible. He even had an elaborate mathematical "proof" that this _had_ to be the case, since nothing could ever reach orbital speeds, let alone escape Earth's gravity. Of course, the argument was pure nonsense, as it was based on the unspoken assumption that we "shoot" the rocket into orbit, rather than pushing it there with sustained thrust. His analogies revolved around kicking soccer balls, or firing cannons. He did, however, have a solid grasp of the trajectories of objects launched at an angle, and could demonstrate that given the known maximum velocities achieved at sea level, the required starting speed would exceed those by a wide margin.
      His mathematical prowess was by no means impressive. It's literally taught in high school. But it was weird to see someone who believes in such nonsense, and yet was not mathematically illiterate.

  • @SgtWicket
    @SgtWicket 11 місяців тому +4

    Imagine the logistics of just pointlessly flying five planes all day, every day forever in order to keep up a facade for one of multiple visible space stations.

    • @LordJaric
      @LordJaric 8 місяців тому

      add all the satellites and it would be a nightmare to maintain.

  • @David-cu3ej
    @David-cu3ej Рік тому +7

    Don't confuse the poor flat earthers; they think Parallax is Thanos's twin brother.

  • @rostokmcspoons
    @rostokmcspoons Рік тому +211

    I remain very impressed that, unlike most of the other debunkers out there, you don't just laugh at the Flerfer, but actually deconstruct their proposition one piece at a time. And explain the reality in an easy-to-understand manner. Even with things that seem blatantly obvious to me, you've still managed to teach me something (in this video it was about the parallax calculations, and the f-stops on lenses). Thanks!

    • @southeastgasservices
      @southeastgasservices Рік тому +6

      Dave is a pro photographer, he would know about lenses and stuff....

    • @LarsKuhlmannCourtwright
      @LarsKuhlmannCourtwright Рік тому +28

      The reason I always gone back for these videos is because for me it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video with a flat earth concept as the catalyst for the conversation.
      It's really fun honestly to just try a goofy idea out and just run with it! It makes me want to come up with a flat earth model just to see what we can learn from debunking it.

    • @ShizukuSeiji
      @ShizukuSeiji Рік тому +3

      @@LarsKuhlmannCourtwright "it's not a flat earth debunk video as much as it's a optics/physics etc educational video"
      Your sentence reminded me that this is like one of those "before" and "after" comparisons. "Before" is the flat Earth, the process being used on the customer is called Scienceopticsmathslogic and the "After" is a spherical Earth.

    • @jamesphillips2285
      @jamesphillips2285 Рік тому

      I hope he did not damage his sensor photographing the sun!

    • @SaiTorrKalFas
      @SaiTorrKalFas Рік тому +2

      Good point. It is something that I struggle with watching FTFE or even Professor Dave during debates. The tone is too toxic for my taste.

  • @tonybehaviour9945
    @tonybehaviour9945 Рік тому +57

    I love when the FE ppl think that an out of focus image of a planet is the real thing and an in focus image are fake.

    • @Connection-Lost
      @Connection-Lost Рік тому

      @@BondiAV Just like how they think photos taken that show lens abberations like "sundogs" prove the flat earth, even though you can't see them with your eyes. Somehow the illuminati allows cameras that show the "truth" to be manufactured. Makes perfect sense.

    • @Truth_Apologetics
      @Truth_Apologetics Рік тому +2

      ​@@BondiAVThe P1000 and P900

    • @bengsynthmusic
      @bengsynthmusic Рік тому +2

      Anyone with a P1000 is now suspect of being a flerf.

    • @phredro1731
      @phredro1731 Рік тому +3

      come to think of it, indeed they do. Good catch.

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому +1

      @@BondiAV All it takes is a flick of a switch and a twist of the focussing ring of a P1000 and the flat Earther dies...

  • @Niesmiesznyy
    @Niesmiesznyy Рік тому +4

    First it didn't exist, now it's a plane

  • @LeoH3L1
    @LeoH3L1 Рік тому +4

    They have to be trolling.
    I refuse to believe that people can genuinely be this delusional and not be in a padded cell.

  • @breakingaustin
    @breakingaustin Рік тому +261

    The amount of work, effort, choreography, time, money, manpower, speed and communication it would take to make the lies Flat Earthers think is happening to make them believe there is an ISS in space to actually happen, would mean that just building an ISS and putting it in space would be 1000x easier..

    • @cygnustsp
      @cygnustsp Рік тому +5

      Gotta spend money to make money

    • @mikefochtman7164
      @mikefochtman7164 Рік тому

      Quite right. Look up the 'Berlin Airlift" program. A monumental effort at the beginning of the cold war to keep West Berlin supplied. Yet this flerf thinks something that is orders of magnitude larger and more difficult is just some government conspracy program.

    • @mcswisscheese3031
      @mcswisscheese3031 Рік тому

      ​​@@cygnustsp hope this isnt you agreeing with the ISS being fake...

    • @imdfox1774
      @imdfox1774 Рік тому +13

      If they had even JUST the choreography, there would be at least an agreed-upon model of flat earth amongst flat earth. It still wouldn’t be correct or usable but at least they would agree to it 😂

    • @lemagicbaguette1917
      @lemagicbaguette1917 Рік тому +4

      @@imdfox1774 hard crust pizza model for the win!

  • @SaneGuyFr
    @SaneGuyFr Рік тому +68

    Aww flerfers, can't afford telescope to see the iss.

    • @ElJefeS4
      @ElJefeS4 Рік тому +23

      The ones that can don't understand how to focus it.

    • @craigcorson3036
      @craigcorson3036 Рік тому +16

      A telescope is not required to see ISS. I have seen it many times with just my eyes. Once, I even saw it shortly after a shuttle had undocked, and the two objects tracked across the sky together.

    • @Soundbrigade
      @Soundbrigade Рік тому +1

      But that will reveal the truth for the flatties.

    • @Sacrengard
      @Sacrengard Рік тому +2

      @@craigcorson3036 They require it... they are clearly blind af lol

    • @shinobi-no-bueno
      @shinobi-no-bueno Рік тому +4

      Hey neither can I but I'm not a dumbass on top of being poor

  • @SaiTorrKalFas
    @SaiTorrKalFas Рік тому +3

    "I do my own research!"
    "Ok then, measure the altitude of the ISS. Here's how you do it and the basic math involved."
    "Wait noooo that won't work because [reasons]"

  • @leebeeskee
    @leebeeskee Рік тому +20

    The level of choreography and organisation across everyone involved in the world for all these decades to push a globe lie is just not possible given how many whistleblowers there'd be, and humans just aren't that clever overall to be able to pull that off.

    • @tacticallemon7518
      @tacticallemon7518 10 місяців тому

      It’s wild that it’s easier to believe that for *millennia* some world-wide inter-government organization has had to have lied about the earth in *hundreds* of ways that perfectly align with each-other than it is for them to accept the earth isn’t flat
      almost like they’re working backwards from a conclusion

  • @GustavoLovato
    @GustavoLovato Рік тому +312

    You’re the best flat Earth debunker on UA-cam by far. You explain thoroughly without talking down at anyone, you educate, you go step by step, you add the right humor at the right time, you are respectful, and you have a super cute dog. Congratulations!

    • @theforgedone
      @theforgedone Рік тому +26

      The fact that he is respectful is so important - I've been helping pull people back from this insanity with his videos. I agree - best flat earth debunker on youtube by far!

    • @bagofholding
      @bagofholding Рік тому +29

      I'm just here for the dog. The flat earth busting content is a bonus.

    • @astroexo6934
      @astroexo6934 Рік тому +5

      Very true comment

    • @RainerGigachad
      @RainerGigachad Рік тому +7

      Quite the opposite of SciManDan who is as arrogant as the ones he's critizising for being ignorant and arrogant. lol

    • @blankityblankblank2321
      @blankityblankblank2321 Рік тому +4

      I agree, insulting gets you nowhere. Life isn't hollywood, you can't expect people to have epiphanies while being insulted and talked down to. People don't respond well to insults against them or their group, they ignore you or go against you regardless of whether they are armed with facts or barehanded. People would do good to remember this in everyday life as well.

  • @Felix-no7nx
    @Felix-no7nx Рік тому +66

    Of course the earth is flat!
    Its edges are just very rounded!

    • @Oz-gv5fz
      @Oz-gv5fz Рік тому +1

      🎣

    • @seantaylor6691
      @seantaylor6691 Рік тому

      It's definitely flat. what is it, something like 70% of the earth is covered in water and in all of human history less than 0.0000001% of it has ever been carbonated. Flat AF earth confirmed.

    • @simond.455
      @simond.455 Рік тому +5

      If you want to get a rough estimate on how flat it is, divide 8 inches by 1 mile: 0.000126
      That means over a mile, it's 99.99% flat. 😆

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому +4

      The Earth is flat in FOUR dimensions, but gloriously spherical in three.

  • @Sirius5465
    @Sirius5465 Рік тому +6

    Planes leave an exhaust trail, the ISS doesn't!

    • @jochenstacker7448
      @jochenstacker7448 6 місяців тому

      That's because they empty the chemtrail tanks for ISS spoof missions.
      As soon as they're done, they're back on chemtrail duty. 😂

  • @coldeb8911
    @coldeb8911 5 місяців тому +3

    They can’t even decide amongst themselves what it is , I screen grabbed a comment from one who claims it is on Balloons 🤦🏻‍♂… F****ing Balloons 🤣…I’m serious, he really did claim this in a public Facebook group 🤣🤣🤣… I near wet myself laughing when I read that, so much so, I just couldn’t resist screen grabbing it to show other people 🤣

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn Місяць тому

      I love to point them to the photos of the Chinese balloon that floated over the USA a couple of years ago and the path it took, then point out all the differences and watch them squirm.

  • @ImieNazwiskoOK
    @ImieNazwiskoOK Рік тому +44

    I love how they both say that:
    -ISS can't be real, at those speeds something like this would be torn apart
    (then after being showed images from the ground if they in any way accept them)
    -It's a plane
    So which one is it?

    • @C_Becker
      @C_Becker Рік тому

      None of it.

    • @ImieNazwiskoOK
      @ImieNazwiskoOK Рік тому +1

      @@C_Becker ?

    • @BasilWallace
      @BasilWallace Рік тому +5

      The goal posts move about as fast as the fake airplanes that disguise the ISS's existence

  • @theduke7539
    @theduke7539 Рік тому +66

    I saw the ISS overhead some years ago, its amazing, even with the naked eye, you can track it as just a speck, but even with some basic binoculars, you can clearly see its not a plane

    • @tvre0
      @tvre0 Рік тому +1

      It’s gone over me twice and I’ve spotted it. There and out in just 10 minutes

    • @nomenclature9373
      @nomenclature9373 Рік тому +1

      When Shuttle was still flying and on a separate orbit than ISS it was cool when they appeared overhead minutes apart. That also happened when the Mir space station was still on orbit. Have yet to observe the Chinese station. Either cloudy/fog or passing overhead in daylight.

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees Рік тому +3

      Alright, we ruled out "plane". So that leaves only two possibilities. Did you happen to see if it was wearing a cape, by any chance? 🤣

    • @christasimon9716
      @christasimon9716 Рік тому +1

      @@EvenTheDogAgrees "Alright, we ruled out "plane"."
      It's a bird!

    • @williamramey1959
      @williamramey1959 Рік тому

      Yea, but the binocular may be part of the conspiracy, so they don't trust them either. LOL. By the way, if one has two pairs of binocular, then they are binoculars. The word is already plural: bin-ocular: two oculars. Even prominent dictionaries enter the incorrect spelling for this term in the singular.

  • @stephenandrusyszyn3444
    @stephenandrusyszyn3444 Рік тому +3

    If NASA could project an image of the ISS, then you know that large companies would constantly be projecting advertisements.

  • @hydra70
    @hydra70 Рік тому +4

    I actually busted out laughing when Flat Earth Dave said that the ISS was as bright as the sun. Bitch have you seen the sun?

    • @Cogster
      @Cogster Рік тому

      well no, it would destroy my eyes if i did.

  • @UdarRusskihPudgei
    @UdarRusskihPudgei Рік тому +29

    And now imagine an american aircraft passing over Russia ~16 times a day in 2023.

    • @lemagicbaguette1917
      @lemagicbaguette1917 Рік тому +1

      It’s be fine. They helped start the ruse back in ‘98 ;)
      Anything else is a no-no, tho…

    • @Truth_Apologetics
      @Truth_Apologetics Рік тому +1

      They literally used to do that (less often tho) and every once in a while one would get shot down

    • @natehill8069
      @natehill8069 Рік тому

      America and China and Russia and N Korea and Japan and Germany and France and Iran and Brazil and South Africa and Israel and Egypt and (keep list going) are all in it together. So no problem with fake ISS flying over any given country.

  • @defenestrated23
    @defenestrated23 Рік тому +89

    NASA engineers quickly realized that the only way to achieve the speeds required was to put an object 400km up moving thousands of kph. They also realized the reflectivity would not match, so they had to put thousands of sqft of solar panels on this object. Clearly, such an object would not fit in a single rocket payload, so they must have snuck it aboard many space shuttle launches over many years and assembled it in space.

    • @queuecee
      @queuecee Рік тому +60

      I have a foolproof idea for a bank heist.
      First, get a job at a bank. Doesn't matter what position. Do the work, gain their trust until you have them all fooled.
      Now the beauty of it is that the bank will deposit money into YOUR bank accounts... week after week, month after month. And then 20 to 30 years, you walk out the door... like nothing... ever... happened.

    • @Tsudico
      @Tsudico Рік тому +17

      @@queuecee Key and Peele, smartest bank robbers ever.

    • @John_Gillman
      @John_Gillman Рік тому +5

      and soyuz rockets and some others, it´s almost like that´s exactly how it happened

    • @listerofsmeg884
      @listerofsmeg884 Рік тому

      Many of which weren't even launched by NASA (the space shuttle was out of commission for much of the construction of the ISS).
      That's what gets me about these US centric morons. The ISS is an INTERNATIONAL effort, not simply a NASA project

    • @PopeKingJoe
      @PopeKingJoe Рік тому +4

      I dunno man this sounds like a conspiracy. /s

  • @1maico1
    @1maico1 Рік тому +4

    I live bellow an air corridor in Somerset England. Commercial aircraft are typically cruising at 35,000 ft. This can be checked in real-time with flightradar24. I can make out the aircraft types with 10x binoculars.
    When the ISS flew over mid-afternoon it moved across the sky much quicker. There were no plumes or contrails and no noise. It can therefore only be a large man-made object in low earth orbit.

  • @fonesrphunny7242
    @fonesrphunny7242 Рік тому +2

    Coincidentally the ISS passed over our little party this weekend. It was night time, so all we saw was a white dot, but it was still a cool surprise for all of us.

  • @mattguey-lee4845
    @mattguey-lee4845 Рік тому +15

    NASA did have have an “airplane” that could achieve ISS type speeds and transits. It was called the Space Shuttle. Lol

    • @ImieNazwiskoOK
      @ImieNazwiskoOK Рік тому +2

      Which contrary to U-2, was pretty much the worst glider ever

    • @rednad6372
      @rednad6372 Рік тому

      There's actually 2! The other chases dreams!!!

  • @MrEjwheeler
    @MrEjwheeler Рік тому +18

    DERP: "How is it reflecting that light, is it made of mirrors?"
    Yes, pretty much.

    • @John_Gillman
      @John_Gillman Рік тому

      the ISS is like 50% body and 50% solar panels and some radiators

    • @mangojulie123
      @mangojulie123 Рік тому

      Duh! 😂😂😂

    • @ReValveiT_01
      @ReValveiT_01 Рік тому

      My favourite part was when he claimed the ISS was as bright as the sun, and none of the crew thought to stop him and tell him he's talking complete bollocks.
      Just shows the flerf inability to 'logic'.

  • @paganphil100
    @paganphil100 Рік тому +4

    Trying to educate "flat Earthers" is like trying to teach advanced nuclear physics to a worm.

    • @RyanGoosing
      @RyanGoosing 5 місяців тому

      Do it enough times and eventually one will get it.
      I'm just here for the science lesson disguise as an anti-flerth video.

  • @xMRxZEROx
    @xMRxZEROx Рік тому +5

    Wow. DITRH really is insane. Dudes just making shit up completely now. It's hilarious.
    Well done Dave. As always.

  • @justpassingby298
    @justpassingby298 Рік тому +28

    it being a projection is literally more impressive than just making the ISS

  • @itchitrigger8185
    @itchitrigger8185 Рік тому +40

    I can't believe a video needs to be made to debunk those ridiculous claims. As Einstein said - thare a only 2 things that are infinite, the universe, and the stupidity of humanity, but we aren't absolutely sure about the universe. Great video as always.

    • @baconsarny-geddon8298
      @baconsarny-geddon8298 Рік тому

      Ad utterly kooky as the idea of a plane circumnavigating earth 16 times a day, 24/7/365 is, that claim is STILL infinitely more evidence-based, than the 100% evidence-free belief that "transwomen ARE women (in whatever mystical, undefinable sense of the word)", which is (somehow?) taken as rational justification to chemically stunt the 100% healthy growth of children, as young as 9 (with exactly ZERO empirical evidence of ANY medical issue, at all).
      Flat earthers are morons... but at least THEY don't use THEIR weird evidence-free fantasies, as justification to irreversably mutilate unconsenting children, in perfect physical health... (Or to put fully-intact, male, convicted raapists in women's prison, locked in an 8x14ft cell with a biological woman, 18 hours a day... Or to allow men in women's sports... Or allow men in the women's changerooms where 6yo girls undress... )

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому +10

      I only recently found out that Einstein was a real person. I always thought he was a theoretical physicist...

    • @turtlesandmoreturtles4140
      @turtlesandmoreturtles4140 Рік тому

      @@chrisantoniou4366 not bad 😀

    • @zita109
      @zita109 2 місяці тому

      ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

  • @brianwhite8593
    @brianwhite8593 Рік тому +2

    Did someone actually say it’s a projection on the dome 😂😂 they must of loved that show they probably thought it was a documentary 😂😂

  • @aussie807
    @aussie807 7 місяців тому +2

    Wow, a whole international industry that is permanently engaged in a decades long conspiracy to convince us the Earth is round…because it is so important to hide the flat earth…not mental at all😂😂

  • @caseylocke4474
    @caseylocke4474 Рік тому +20

    There are two rules of thumb I have noticed about NEARLY every Flat Earther that debates: 1) They don't talk TO you; they talk AT you. 2) Louder = Righter. The thing I like most about your videos is you engage in neither of these annoying behaviors. You explain things clearly, are courteous, and you don't talk down to anyone. You sir are an example-setter.

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 Рік тому +2

      Rule #3, lean into your crappy camera like a 4th grade bully, trying to intimidate your opponent

  • @Vulcanfaux
    @Vulcanfaux Рік тому +56

    That guy talking about talking to nasa whistle blowers sounds as believable as my friend saying his dad works at nintendo.
    Some will fall for it, others will know his Dad actually is a mechanic. And the rest will just say "yeah sure"

    • @fomori2
      @fomori2 Рік тому

      FE Dave is a grifter and he knows his followers will eat up any "whistle blower" stories without thinking or verifying them. He doesnt care that normal people can see through his bullshit because they are not his target audience.

    • @blindbrad4719
      @blindbrad4719 Рік тому

      Some of us know your friend is adopted… 😂

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому

      Your dad works for Nintendo? Cool! 👍

    • @AniMageNeBy
      @AniMageNeBy Рік тому

      But..but son! I *do* work for nintendo!

    • @chrisantoniou4366
      @chrisantoniou4366 Рік тому

      @@AniMageNeBy Take me to your work and prove it! 😂😂😂

  • @cheseguy3397
    @cheseguy3397 Рік тому +4

    guys hear me out, what if the iss was flown up above 400 000 meters and put into orbit around a round earth

    • @user-it9uu6xo3s
      @user-it9uu6xo3s 26 днів тому

      Oh the blasphemy!!! Dear child, go and say 3,000 Hail Marries, report mediately to confession and repent your sins.

  • @MrBennieagray
    @MrBennieagray Рік тому +8

    I think God created flat earthers because he was bored one day😂

    • @Globeishoax
      @Globeishoax Рік тому

      Do you believe god created a satanic globe, tilted 66.6 degrees?

  • @blakewalker84120
    @blakewalker84120 Рік тому +60

    Dave, I'll say it again.
    I love how you debunk these flerfs.
    You use evidence, math, and just plain simple logic.
    Unlike some other debunkers who mainly use "dear oh dear" as their primary debunking tool, you actually do the work.
    Thanks!

    • @johneagle2100
      @johneagle2100 Рік тому +1

      If you are thinking of who I think you are, you left out Pantomime and Demonstrably 😂

    • @phildavenport4150
      @phildavenport4150 Рік тому

      The work that he does is aimed not at ineducable flattards but at normal people, many of whom welcome the additional knowledge. His respectful demeanor is skin deep when it comes to moronic deniers.

    • @serriusgaming8468
      @serriusgaming8468 Рік тому +2

      Nice jab at Sciman Dan there...

    • @blakewalker84120
      @blakewalker84120 Рік тому +2

      @@serriusgaming8468 I wasn't naming names.
      I like SciMan Dan.
      He's fun to watch.
      But a lot of the time I feel like he's not actually debunking the flat earthers; he's merely mocking them.

    • @johneagle2100
      @johneagle2100 Рік тому +3

      @@blakewalker84120 Which is what they deserve!

  • @RomanKosins
    @RomanKosins Рік тому +24

    The conspiracy theories people come up with are so complicated. This is a mental health issue.

    • @tma2001
      @tma2001 Рік тому +1

      yeah aka religious belief.

  • @zaphoddog3878
    @zaphoddog3878 Рік тому +7

    Nasa Guy 1: "Hey NG2, that FLERFer is hanging around the lunch break area again."
    Nasa Guy 2: "watch this" "Hey Flerf guy, dude you know NASA flies 5 planes dressed up as the ISS to make people believe space is real? And the reason youve never seen one on the ground is they are guarded by genetically altered teddy bears with laser beam eyes".
    FLERFer: "I'm posting this on youtube! Vindicated and proven!"

    • @cubeheadexists
      @cubeheadexists Рік тому

      so.. the iss is a teddy bear with laser eyes? Highly doubt that bud.. XD

  • @kenlieck7756
    @kenlieck7756 Рік тому +2

    Of course they claim it's a plane, because planes are *what?* They're FLAT!!!

  • @patrickdix772
    @patrickdix772 Рік тому +42

    12:15 Clearly the entire airline industry is in on scam. The issues with planes not arriving on time are all a ruse to keep the ISS planes a secret. All planes also fly much slower than they could, to also keep the ruse going. (This is sarcasm, in case anyone missed it.)

    • @fakestory1753
      @fakestory1753 Рік тому +4

      They just don't do justice for crediting supersonic balloons to this day.

    • @riluna3695
      @riluna3695 Рік тому +1

      Ah yes, the one and only criteria for identifying a Poe: Them literally saying it in clear, unambiguous text. Because no amount of "no one could POSSIBLY think or say that" is ever enough to overcome actual, real people and their actual, real, mind-shattering claims.

    • @Truth_Apologetics
      @Truth_Apologetics Рік тому +1

      This is what I've always been using as a defense against airplane and map-based arguments, I've yet to see an FE debunker address it

    • @riluna3695
      @riluna3695 Рік тому +1

      @@Truth_Apologetics While not a definitive debunk of the idea by any means, you very quickly run into problems with claims like these because of how much power they grant to the organization engaging in the conspiracy. If you were to take even a conservative estimate of the money required to pull off everything they do, from the fake planes and/or balloons, to the wages (or bribery) of the people working on keeping the charade up, and the sheer NUMBER of people who are in a position to uncover the conspiracy, who necessarily have to be knowingly hiding it themselves (which means more bribes), the cash needed skyrockets several orders of magnitude higher than the amount they actually make by running this scam. And if it's draining that much money, they'd simply stop, because we're talking about the kinds of people who'd do anything for money to begin with.
      It also causes a strange discrepancy with how much control they have, and how well they can keep quiet the thousands if not millions of people who are on it, compared to how easy it is for any old youtube channel to post videos saying "hey, the globe is a hoax and here's why", and not in turn be silenced in minutes by this seemingly all-encompassing, desperate-for-control conspiracy.
      It's either weak enough to allow random people to speak out, and thus too weak to have gotten to where it is today, or it's strong enough to accomplish all of this manipulation, and yet somehow isn't strong enough to deal with a youtuber posting in their spare time. It kinda doesn't work no matter how you slice it, but it DOES make sense if it was never actually a hoax at all, and the Earth really is spherical. Then all the data points fit again, and there are no more logical contradictions or absurdities.

    • @carlborg8023
      @carlborg8023 Рік тому

      You joke man, but I know someone who believes exactly that. amongst other lunacy...

  • @asorlokirunarsson9864
    @asorlokirunarsson9864 Рік тому +43

    I would have given up on this lot a long time ago. Thank you for keeping comunication open to these wackos so that some of its victims might finally wake up from this madness instead of being trapped in a flerf echo chamber for the rest of their lives

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 Рік тому +5

      He actually teaches some cool bits of science through this interesting lens. I'm quite done with the conspiracy nuts, but still love his videos for the real-world applications of science and observation.

    • @dennisradoor
      @dennisradoor Рік тому

      youtube is sending him big fat checks every month, pretty sure that will keep him motivated :)

    • @asorlokirunarsson9864
      @asorlokirunarsson9864 Рік тому

      @@dennisradoor yeee but he could be getting check for doing something else

    • @qwadratix
      @qwadratix Рік тому

      In all honesty, I don't think it matters. If a few dumb people want to believe the moon is green cheese, I really don't mind. It's the ones who believe the world is controlled by an invisible man who lives in the sky that worry me.

  • @Jadyra
    @Jadyra Рік тому +2

    I think that NASA 'whistle-blower' was playing him. LOL

  • @barrycraig1549
    @barrycraig1549 Рік тому +2

    You have to evaluate flat-earthers claims by observing how they conduct the rest of their life

  • @theythinkimmadyouknow
    @theythinkimmadyouknow Рік тому +9

    So, to fake the ISS, you have to build....the ISS!!! Crafty.

    • @Philitron128
      @Philitron128 Рік тому

      I bet "THEY" also faked the moon landing by landing on the moon. Those evil NASA scientists are very crafty.

    • @gowdsake7103
      @gowdsake7103 Рік тому +1

      Well several

  • @DaiTengu
    @DaiTengu Рік тому +19

    Not to mention, I can take a handheld antenna, point it at the ISS as it transits, and talk to people via a ham radio that are doing the same thing wherever the ISS is viewable through its repeater. If I get too far ahead or behind with my tracking, I'll lose the signal (Especially for antennas that are VERY directional). And, when the ISS is beyond the horizon, you can't hear the signal either.
    Sometimes you can even talk to astronauts onboard the ISS!

    • @DaiTengu
      @DaiTengu Рік тому

      @@BondiAV you don't need to understand radio wave propagation beyond the horizon. Vhf/uhf frequencies don't do that (for the most part). That makes it simpler and irrefutable.

  • @Mike98006
    @Mike98006 Рік тому +2

    "I was in communication with a NASA whistleblower" is code for "I met some guy online who claimed to be a NASA whistleblower" ;)

  • @CastledCard
    @CastledCard Рік тому +2

    I love the idea that some dude said "I'm a NASA whistleblower, trust me bro"

  • @MagiRemmie
    @MagiRemmie Рік тому +7

    The most disturbing part of this is someone claiming that 9/11 was fake.

    • @richardtibbetts574
      @richardtibbetts574 Рік тому +1

      So you believe the official narrative?

    • @EBDavis111
      @EBDavis111 Рік тому

      @@richardtibbetts574 A person would have to be really stupid not to. Like flat earthers.

    • @tristanridley1601
      @tristanridley1601 Рік тому

      @@richardtibbetts574 Those aren't the only options. You can believe that the government lies (a lot) and not that thousands of people are faking death/mourning, injury, and illness. That's the kind of black and white thinking that probably started most flat earther's in their direction.
      My personal conjecture? (Not a theory - a theory needs to have survived credible tests.) I think some in the Bush cabinet knew an attack on the tower was planned (maybe even leaked that info to friends), but that no one expected the tower to actually collapse from the fire. (No one in government nor the terrorists.)
      I may be right, or wrong. I don't really care. But that's just an example of the kind of conclusion you can reach when you have a healthy distrust of politicians but also grounding in reality.

    • @listerofsmeg884
      @listerofsmeg884 Рік тому +1

      ​@@richardtibbetts574and as if by magic, one appears 🙄

    • @listerofsmeg884
      @listerofsmeg884 Рік тому +2

      Still quite common sadly.

  • @kevinwebster7868
    @kevinwebster7868 Рік тому +8

    A NASA whistleblower, fed up with the lies and conspiracy, decides to come clean and blow the top off the whole thing. Does he go to CNN or BBC or Bloomberg or MSNBC or any other media organisation? Nope. He goes to a conspiracy theorist youtuber where all the credibility is.🙄

    • @Isolder74
      @Isolder74 Рік тому +2

      It plays into the conspirisist mindset. Only I know the real truth so it would only be me who they would come to. It’s why the use of the proof surrogate is so insidious.

  • @Aotearoa_Kiwi
    @Aotearoa_Kiwi Рік тому +1

    Well that was a slam dunk. Flat Earthers can't argue with those facts!

  • @mikebauer6917
    @mikebauer6917 Рік тому +3

    I worked as a contractor with NASA for 26+ years. The idea these guys would, much lees could, keep such secrets is laughable. We/they love to share and compare our knowledge. If anything they have problems keeping things out of the public.

    • @Globeishoax
      @Globeishoax Рік тому

      NASA is a movie studio. People doing their small jobs for a nice paycheck

  • @-Baikal-
    @-Baikal- Рік тому +22

    Lmao, being that kind of NASA "whistleblower" is something I'd definitely do for shits and giggles just to see what kind of madness it would generate

    • @Isolder74
      @Isolder74 Рік тому

      He’s using what is called a proof surrogate. It’s a way to lie while pretending to has an appeal to authority. The ‘whistleblower’ most likely never existed.

    • @raidriar01
      @raidriar01 Рік тому +1

      Dude if I ever get a job at an actual aerospace company/organization like NASA or SpaceX (which I’m currently studying to do) I am so going to do that if they let me

    • @deadturret4049
      @deadturret4049 Рік тому +1

      Ngl its probably just another guy in with a nasa beanie. The nasa whistleblower crap is the boomer equivalent of "my dad works for nintendo"

  • @Darklowlornot
    @Darklowlornot Рік тому +74

    I usually am good at critical thinking, but I got sucked into flat earth theory because honestly some scientists can't convey information properly, and the written science is kind of hard to come by, but you nail it all and actually pulled me out of flat earth. Now I am on a mission to show these Flat Earthers your videos.

    • @wiredforstereo
      @wiredforstereo Рік тому

      How about, just don't.
      Give it a fee years. We don't need another loud mouth who was recently a flat earther trying to debunk flat earthers. Do you understand how unhealthy that is? Do you realize that only hurts and does not help?
      Just don't do it. Give it a few years to get out of the conspiracist mindset and then see how you can help. We don't need last week's sinner preaching this week's gospel. It rarely ends well.

    • @normancharlesworth1289
      @normancharlesworth1289 Рік тому +17

      I recently found a cool channel called Corrridor Crew who are a team of VFX artists who look at movies etc and try to figure out how it was done.They looked at the moon-landing footage and by the end determined it would be easier to just go to the moon than fake it.Very revealing....and they really looked closely at the footagehave some great insights!Cheers!

    • @SuperPickle15
      @SuperPickle15 Рік тому +6

      That would imply flerfers are really good at conveying information. In my experience they say a lot of things, but can never back up any of it. And they can't even agree with one another.

    • @Darklowlornot
      @Darklowlornot Рік тому

      @@SuperPickle15 Not necessarily true. You may be watching fake flat earthers. A guy named Whitsit does debates with people, even real "scientists" with PHD's in their fields and stumps them, but the ISS videos are pretty damning to me that they are rotating in 0g around a what appears to be globe.

    • @derekgrubbs4754
      @derekgrubbs4754 Рік тому +12

      @@SuperPickle15Flat earth is an appeal to emotion. It’s not a logical choice that people make. In fact the majority of decisions made by people about anything are based on emotion more so than logic.
      Flat earth and conspiracies in general appeal to people because it makes you feel like you are part of something bigger. Conspiracies often give people a clear “evil” or target that you can blame a variety of problems on. And often times they also make the person feel special in a sense like they are part of a small group that knows the truth. For some it makes them feel like they are superior and smarter than everyone else and for some it makes them feel like they need to save other people by sharing the truth with them.
      Conspiracy theories are pretty insidious to be honest and virtually everyone can be susceptible given they are exposed to the right conspiracy under the right circumstances.
      The only thing that really separates a conspiracy from any other belief is its real world validity.

  • @ibeethatoneguy7807
    @ibeethatoneguy7807 Рік тому +8

    Flat earther: You have to bend over backwards and provide tons of evidence to show them the earth is round
    Also flat earther: pours water on a basketball. "See its flat, water cant stay on"
    Yea you got us 😂

    • @PoochAndBoo
      @PoochAndBoo Рік тому

      Don't tell me that you have actually seen them using that as an argument!!!

    • @ibeethatoneguy7807
      @ibeethatoneguy7807 Рік тому +1

      @@PoochAndBoo Actually yea I have lol

    • @oerlikon20mm29
      @oerlikon20mm29 Рік тому

      @@PoochAndBooone of them poured water on a tennis ball then spun it around really fast… he said it was proof, although there was still water left on the ball

    • @PoochAndBoo
      @PoochAndBoo Рік тому

      @@oerlikon20mm29 It's frightening. Really. How does anyone that stupid get up in the morning and dress themselves. I wonder how he thinks we stay on the planet without being thrown into space!

  • @BeauSeverson
    @BeauSeverson Рік тому +10

    For a group of people obsessed with the P1000, I think none of them have ever taken it off Auto mode. You've said more about light and photography than I think even a single one of them has ever understood.

    • @Isolder74
      @Isolder74 Рік тому +2

      The only reason they care anything about that family of cameras is that it has a large zoom value they can quote. They know nothing about cameras and a camera like the P-900 is the only thing they can use seeing it does everything for them.

  • @bazoo513
    @bazoo513 Рік тому +3

    This "NASA whistleblower" is a janitor fired for stealing people's lunches fro the break room fridge?

  • @JayKillXRP
    @JayKillXRP Рік тому +3

    I can still see the ISS in Philadelphianin sky when its over Nova Scotia 750 miles away.

    • @Nehner
      @Nehner Рік тому

      Is the ISS real? Are the lights in the sky really the ISS?
      Can you really see the ISS in 300 to 400 km in the night sky with a good telescope or a good camera like the Nikon P 1000?
      It's not what you can see or what you can calculate - it's what you can prove.
      Lets start with a killer question.
      Can a vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR get to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed - and could do this 10 weeks in a row?
      Do you know of any vehicle who can fly 47.5 million km in 10 weeks WITHOUT A Motor?
      With 28,000 km per hour? 28,000 km per hour - that's nearly 8 times the speed of the fastest (fighter)jet in the world - the SR71? 3500 kmh.
      Look at the aerodynamic Design of the SR-71 and compare this with the footballfield-wide-kindergarten-"design" of the ISS.
      How will such a crap-vehicle WITHOUT A MOTOR ever gets to a speed of 8times the fastest fighter- jet speed? Easy answer: it will not. It is impossible.
      You say that is possible because in the vacuum there is no friction.
      But to make 47.5 million km in 10 weeks this shitty vehicle still needs a Motor for and fuel too, oxygen also. Which is not there.
      DONT FORGET
      also in vacuum there is no free ride. You have to have massive loads of fuel.
      And Oxygen.
      In vacuum density still works. If you do not move with the help of burning fuel - and are denser than the vacuum - the 450 ton antiaerodynamic crap will fall down - no matter what. It will crash.
      Inertia plays no role.
      Not having fuel plays a role.
      Density plays a role.
      Gravity is not existent. Never was. Only Density and buoyancy.
      Earth not a rotating globe kills Orbit too.
      There is no Orbit.
      Orbit is a myth.
      But but you can see a shining thing 300 to 400 km high in the sky?
      THE ISS has not the energy needed for big lights.
      In the night there is maybe only the light of the moon.
      Which will not "produce" a shining light on a ultrafast moving vehicle.
      First: don't argue with some nasa yt computer streaming shit.
      Only pictures from your own camera of something you will call is ISS.
      Hint: what you maybe seeing this is not the same thing which is based in a huge Texas swimming Pool.the Training Version of the ISS. thats the only one which is real.
      To identify the shining lights of the fakeISS do Research for the global hawk or a similar Tool with which goofballs like you are betrayed from them.
      Compare the aircrafts
      The US test aircraft X-15 was a rocket-powered experimental aircraft for high-altitude and high-speed flights.
      Length 15.5 m
      Height 3.9 m
      wingspan 6.7 m
      Flight altitude of 107.96 km
      Maximum speed 7274 km/h (Mach 6.72)
      Weight 17 tons
      Fuel capacity 12 tons
      Fuel consumption 5 tons per minute. After 2.24 min the tank was empty
      Range 450 km
      AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high
      Lockheed SR 71
      The Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird is a two-seat twin-engined long-range supersonic strategic reconnaissance aircraft.
      Wing Span 16,94 m 55 ft 7 in
      Length 32,74 m 107 ft 5 in
      Height 5,64 m 18 ft 6 in
      Maximum speed 3222 km/h 1740 kts 2002 mph (Mach 3.3+)
      Service Ceiling 25.908 m 85.000 ft
      Empty Weight 27.216 kg 60.000 lbs
      max. Takeoff Weight 77.110 kg 170.000 lbs
      Fuel capacity 65000 to 80000 pounds
      Fuel consumption 36,000 to 44,000 pounds of fuel per hour of flight.
      Range 1.5 to 2 hours. Up to 5000 km. Then had to be refueled
      AERODYNAMIC FACTOR very high
      B 747 - 4 different variants
      Length 70.6 m
      Height 19.4 m
      Wing span 66.0 -74.4 m
      Flight altitude from 10 - 12,000 m
      Top speed 1,000 km/h
      Weight: just under 400 tonnes
      Fuel capacity 144 - 173.6 tonnes
      Fuel consumption 10 tons per hour on average
      Range 9800 - 13450 KM
      AERODYNAMIC FACTOR high
      ISS
      Length 74 - 88 m
      Height 45 m
      wingspan 108 m
      Flight altitude 370- 460 km
      Maximum speed 28,800 km/h
      Weight 450 tons
      Fuel quantity 7 tons IN YEAR!!!!
      Fuel consumption ????
      Range 10 weeks = 650,000 km per day x 73 days = approx. 48 mill. km
      AERODYNAMIC FACTOR grotty bad

    • @Mandelbrot_Set
      @Mandelbrot_Set Рік тому +1

      @@Nehner Why can you only spam the same infantile script where you complain about how numbers confuse you? Why do you have no evidence whatsoever to support your religion?

    • @opelvectra2297
      @opelvectra2297 Рік тому

      @@NehnerWenn du nicht so faul und verblendet wärst, könntest du selber Fotos von der ISS aufnehmen. Aber du willst ja deinen Flache Erde Kult hinterher rennen. Du bist ganz schön peinlich.

    • @h.dejong2531
      @h.dejong2531 Рік тому +2

      @@Nehner Again, with the already-debunked nonsense. The ISS did not reach a speed of 8 km/s "without a motor". So your "killer question" falls apart right on the starting line. Again, you have no evidence, no arguments, just bullshit.

  • @dpwellman
    @dpwellman Рік тому +1

    If it were a "plane" the wings would snap off.

  • @jpdevilliers3768
    @jpdevilliers3768 Рік тому +26

    You stated facts and used scientific arguments. This will not convince them.

    • @vjara94
      @vjara94 Рік тому +1

      The sad thing is that you're absolutely truth

    • @andgate2000
      @andgate2000 Рік тому

      Exactly...those people use emotional arguements.

    • @helmuttrzoska4572
      @helmuttrzoska4572 Рік тому

      When a flatearthers says: "As far as I can see the earth is flat." he's absolutely right.

  • @FloydMaxwell
    @FloydMaxwell Рік тому +8

    Appreciate your precise explanation of the significance of every f-stop. Blows their argument out of the water.

    • @rsteeb
      @rsteeb Рік тому +1

      Their "argument" was never NEAR the water. Who TF is *really* that ignorant?

  • @TheOtherSteel
    @TheOtherSteel 11 місяців тому +2

    Since atmospheric pressure goes down as altitude goes up, the SR-71 and U-2 need specialized designs to operate at their maximum altitudes. In the glass-dome no-gravity idea, which would make air pressure the same at all altitudes, both aircraft would not need those specialized designs.
    Also, operating a chain of aircraft continually aloft would require its own supply chain of personnel, tools, parts, and fuel to multiple locations, of which there is not the slightest trace.

  • @neodecker
    @neodecker Рік тому +2

    Ok, so if the Earth is flat why even introduce the ISS in the first place.

  • @LifeWithMatthew
    @LifeWithMatthew Рік тому +15

    "I talked to a NASA whistle blower" Either he's lying or the he needs to learn to be more discerning... which could be a slogan for the F.E. community in general I suppose.

    • @allgrainbrewer10
      @allgrainbrewer10 Рік тому

      FED is a lying moron

    • @Isolder74
      @Isolder74 Рік тому

      Frankly, he’s so full of himself that he thinks a ‘NASA whistleblower’ would only go to him and no one else. Not to the New York Times or the Washington Post but to him.
      Frankly, I think it’s just a story he made up and now he can pretend it has authority behind it. A proof surrogate is simply the easiest way to lie.

  • @aaronboothproduction
    @aaronboothproduction Рік тому +35

    One of my "favorite" things about Flat Earthers is how often the idea they offer up to counter one agrument ends up disproving a bunch of other parts of their theory along the way.

    • @PabloSanchez-qu6ib
      @PabloSanchez-qu6ib Рік тому +6

      Yup. "Explaining" one thing at a time regardless of contradictions is the hallmark of conspiracies. Creationists do that too.

  • @Arltratlo
    @Arltratlo Рік тому +1

    i am a ham radio guy...
    we sometimes talk to the guys inside the ISS... and our antennas are skywards...and everyone got an other direction
    some even use the ISS as a reflector to talk with people far away...
    some even use airplanes and 23cm wave length to have conversations with people 500km away..
    wich is nearly impossible, because 23cm waves dont follow the earth curve...
    we even use satellites, works only if you point your directional antenna skyward...

  • @nolanmoore3831
    @nolanmoore3831 Рік тому +2

    Came here to watch someone prove idiots wrong, stayed for the good content and the dog.

  • @corey2232
    @corey2232 Рік тому +6

    Yes, "remodified B2 bombers" can zip across the entire length of the sky in 1 second... and do so at that height 😂

    • @aidenkelly9641
      @aidenkelly9641 Рік тому

      wheres the proof? when have these "re-modified B2 bombers" ever been tested?

    • @John_Gillman
      @John_Gillman Рік тому

      @@aidenkelly9641 ever heard of sarcasm?

    • @aidenkelly9641
      @aidenkelly9641 Рік тому

      @@John_Gillman usually people add /s for sarcasm. its really hard to tell sarcasm on the internet

    • @Nathan-ze1jv
      @Nathan-ze1jv Рік тому

      ​@@aidenkelly9641not really.

    • @randomnpc445
      @randomnpc445 Рік тому

      @@aidenkelly9641 There are many tells that people use in order to denote sarcasm, such as adding "lmao" or "lol" to the end of the statement, or in the case of this comment: a laugh-crying emoji.

  • @goldenageofdinosaurs7192
    @goldenageofdinosaurs7192 Рік тому +7

    Man, McKeegan just drops the stupid hammer down on these guys. It’s so awesome!

  • @ohedd
    @ohedd Рік тому +1

    What a futile exercise it is to argue with these people. It literally does not matter what you say.

  • @senormooples2354
    @senormooples2354 Рік тому +1

    The fact that their explanations are harder to conceivably do than the ISS itself

  • @zar3434
    @zar3434 Рік тому +4

    So, the least aerodynamic plane ever, flying faster than any plane has ever flown. Yup, it's definitely a plane. /s

  • @arachn01d
    @arachn01d Рік тому +10

    Yet another great video. I love the combination of simple arguments mixed with really specific details like camera light levels!

  • @blockify
    @blockify Рік тому +2

    I love how you have your dog in all your videos

  • @astroinfinland6680
    @astroinfinland6680 Рік тому +1

    I had one claim that it was held up by balloons.

  • @cunningstunts6443
    @cunningstunts6443 Рік тому +10

    That "NASA whistleblower" should do some stand up comedy, he's had me laughing so hard I nearly wet myself 😂

    • @darkshadowx07
      @darkshadowx07 Рік тому

      That's a mind trick actually, "NASA whistleblower" that cannot reveal himself because he will be killed somehow, it's the perfect excuse to never use real proof

    • @unknowngod8221
      @unknowngod8221 Рік тому

      ayo do you mean --cum?--

  • @d.charlespyle
    @d.charlespyle Рік тому +5

    "NASA whistle blower." Or, when flerfs get trolled.😂

  • @doomspud6302
    @doomspud6302 Рік тому +3

    A perfect example of Occam's Razor. There is only one simple answer that fits all the observed data: The ISS is a space station orbiting the globe. Every alternative that space deniers can provide doesn't fit observed reality well enough to be acceptable, and/or it would require so much more effort to achieve that it simply isn't feasible.
    Demonstrable reality trumps the "demonstrable realists" once again.

  • @HelterSkelter117
    @HelterSkelter117 Рік тому +3

    He exhibited all the classic signs of a compulsive liar. I have known a few of those in my life, even had a first cousin and his son who were both compulsive liars. The dad was a cross country truck driver who swore he saw Bigfoot and that he could communicate with trees. The son tried to convince us all that he was a highly trained ninja who once gouged out a man's eyes because he was beating his wife in public.