E bikes Need To Chill Out
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- E-bikes are getting crazy fast and it doesn't seem like progress is slowing down. Are legal restrictions coming? Do Ebikes need to chill out?
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I got to your first question, "Why does anyone need that much power?" I have a question for these people. Why are some production cars able to do better than 250mph?
Both questions have the same answer.
Very true my friend! Same reason why I like to have 30 rounds instead of 10. I love America.
@@maximumchargeEV Yessir! The more freedom seeds the better!
Yup. The difference is that roads are built for speeds of 80 or 90 mi/h. We have special places for cars to go 250mi/h and those are called tracks.
However, riding on a street at 45 mi/h has a much more practical reason too. Commuting. Not everyone can afford a full size car and those who can might still prefer the energy savings of riding a bike. Commuting is an essential function. Public Mass transportation sucks. That leaves only a few legitimate options:
- significantly reduce the cost of owning and operating a vehicle
- significantly improve public mass transportation:. ⓐ Increase capacity, routes, coverage, speeds, frequency, cleanliness ⓑ reduce fares
- create widespread *_dedicated e-bike lane networks_* on the road
I feel like the US should start doing what they do in countries that have embraced the bike riding culture. There are countries that cars are the guess on the roads, and there are special bike highways to get from city to city. I bet those countries are alot healthier than the US too.
That might be where things are headed. More and more bike lanes appearing.
We still haven't accepted the metric system.... Americans do not like to change.
@@OregonDARRYL some day!
@@OregonDARRYL I know and agree. The funny part is change is the only thing that is constant.
@@OregonDARRYL
They will only change if there's directed pressure to do so.
We need to advocate for it as a measure to ensure we retain the freedom to use the best most innovative electric bicycles
Start in city council. Fight the trend to restrict e-bikes and change the narrative in favor of bike lanes for e-bikes
I have 2 ebikes, a Lectric XP 3.0 Extended Range and a Engwe Engine Pro. Both cap out at 28MPH. I don't feel safe riding it the street, with cars only being able to go 28MPH. If either of my bikes went up to at lease 50MPH,I would only ride my bike, in the street. But because where I live, there are very few bike lanes on the main streets, I have no choice but to ride my bike on the side walk or bike/walking trails. Now I'm 48 yrs old and over 300lbs. You are not going to see me doing wheelies and stunts on my bike. This is also my only mode of transportation, besides walking. I don't own a car.
I am in a similar position. I have a Samebike M20 and a Hiboy S2 scooter, bike is for day trips, and scooter fits in a cab to get my groceries home. No car needed...
I also feel much safer when i can move at the same speed as traffic. Having a decent motor output also gets me moving quickly, not traveling at a crazy top speed while still having the juice to get me up hills and out of the way of traffic...
Speed should be the only limit for ebikes. Not power output...
@@WholeWhiteBaby Not to infringe on Maximum Charges Channel. But I'm planning to start reviewing my bikes here very soon. I also plan on replacing my controller in my Engwe after I can afford a 72v battery. In hopes to be able to get to at least 40MPH on that bike. With just a controller and battery swap. If I am, I might do the same to the Letric XP 3.0, if I don't sell it to buy the battery for the Engwe.
Lectric is supposed to be sending out replacement controllers to change how the speed of the bike is handled. I believe they are basing it on current instead of whatever it's based on now.
@beddamade best of luck with the swap out! I can just change the factory setting on my M20 and top out at 63 kmh, or 40 mph...just a few buttons and off i go! Zoom! 1000 watt motor helps to get me moving from a stop very nicely too!
Good luck with your channel also!
Cheers!
I'm with you there that when you're going 20-30mph on the side of the road, you're just an obstacle that's now harder to pass.
@kylecook7503 dual motors are getting more and more popular for this. Great power for hill climbing etc but the motor can only spin so fast you end up capping out at around 35mph
The main issue is those damned kids not being respectful. I ride and build high powered bikes and have had zero negative interactions.
I rode with a few teenagers and they rode like such di%kheads that people had to jump out of the way. I didn't want to be associated with them so i broke off.
True! electric bikes amplify their idiocy!
In my opinion, restrictions should mainly be based on how these ebikes are used, rather than what specs they're sold with. Just be a courteous biker.
What do you propose for usage restrictions?
@maximumchargeEV In regards to usage restrictions, I think speed limits, specifically for commuter and off-road bike paths, are important. Nothing is wrong with having the ability to go up to 40 or so mph, as long as it is used where appropriate.
@@Simon_Squared
And hey government!
Give us the dedicated network of bike lanes we need for that!
It should be unconstitutional to require a license to drive a bike if there is no safe public place to ride it. That's like taxation without...
We need a riders' rights group!
There is a group or 2 in every city that do street takeovers. That is the problem not the speed!
Those takeovers are annoying to see, but we all know that if you were a teenager, it would be cool as hell to be a part of one. Maybe age restrictions are the solution.
Thanks so very much for using the word “addictive”. I hear so many people use the word “addicting” as if that’s an actual word in the English language.
I try! I'm sure there are other words I mess up on.
Well over all I can tell you that net effect of faster and faster Ebikes is probably a bad trend from a macro point of view, however here is the flip side,
you often in urban areas and cities are at greater risk as an Ebike rider when you can't keep up with car traffic doing 30 to 40 MPH and there is no available bike lane,
(this happens quite a lot ) In other words your safer just going temporarily into the regular car lane and going with traffic, than attempting to stay on the side of the road
that is not well paved or maintained for Ebike riders, (this is more a widespread problem in urban area's, but isn't the majority or the trend going forward to see Ebike ownership
in major urban areas?) Is there actually a breakdown somewhere of what percentage of Ebike ownership is occuring in urban area's VS more rural areas of our country?
Not sure about the breakdown of stats, but I do feel very much so like an obstacle going 30mph on the side of the road thats difficult to pass.
Love this video and you my friend are spot on with legislation in the future going to be brought down on ebike owners. So just like a vacation you might as well enjoy it
- Need a comprehensive bike lane network designed specifically with fast e-bikes in mind
- *Need to be able to go at least 45 mi/h on major suburban thoroughfares*
- Let your city council know you want bike lanes and faster e-bikes
(I'm sounding like a broken record but I want to get as many people as possible to join this chorus and get two friends... to tell two friends... to tell two friends...)
yeagh we could follow in the steps in AMWAY and Herbalife and have our day in the sun like they did, only this time, make a positive impact for the envionment, but it won't be easy, too many irresponsible apples tarnish our image and the media is too eager to highlight the bad apples,
Hello, I’m a bike (🚴) mechanic and I have to say honestly working on e-bikes is the worst. Most of them weigh over 30 lbs and are tiring and cumbersome to move around the shop all day. And don’t get me started on the electrical issues some of them have. Some of the companies can’t seem to make quality parts while others have redundant or annoying parts that get in the way of the rear mech to change gears among other things. Despite all this, we sell a lot of them to couples or elderly people who just want to ride their bikes, but not have to break a sweat to do it. Also they make a good profit for the shop so I’m always glad when we sell one to a satisfied customer. Some of the more ridiculous builds however are more useless in my eyes. But who am I to judge? That’s my two cents.
I hear where you're coming from. I do you think ebikes will become the norm vs acoustic bikes?
The difficulty of working with e-bikes is because it's going through a major shift. Innovation will be followed by standardization.
Please help spread the message to build special e bike devoted bike lanes instead of restricting them.
Enjoy it while you can in a sensible manner.
Agreed!
I have 2 ebikes and both only go 26-29 mph and i enjoy the rides and freedom and no gas needed like my Honda great for cruising around the neighborhood too
So much freedom! The ability to go from the road to a bike path and no one caring is great!
You are so right. Karens and the government are coming and will mess things up big time. I just want e-bikers that are on paved city trails to take it easy around pedestrians and slower bicyclists.
Absolutely 100% agree with you man!
My take. Don’t ride like a jerk almost hitting people. Whether you go that fast because you have 6kw or because you have mega legs, I don’t care. Be respectful and courteous to others using the same infrastructure that you’re using.
Agreed!
CWhen I was younger I could pedal about 35 mph on my racing bike and never recall getting pulled over. I'm 71 now and still can maintain 20 mph pedaling on my road bike with spurts to 26 mph. I have built an ebike with BBSHD, Grin All Axel direct drive with regen and G62 1000 watt version running Phaserunner controllers with 3 72v 20ah batteries. Each motor is 3600 Watts with a total of 10800 Watts ( I could go higher but this will do for now). I climb mountains in Yukon where you can have drop-offS of 3000 ft on the trail you are driving on. Would I let a kid drive this bike? NO !!! Let's get real there are lots of People that can pedal faster than 30 mph and this has been going on for longer than you have been alive and I don't recall anyone complaining about that . Hell my ebike is so heavy it glides down hill at 30 mph without using the motor or pedaling . How do you figure an ebike should be limited to 20 mph when even an old man can pedal faster than that? Why would any responsible parent let a kid have an ebike that is powerful without proper training? The guys on the Tour De France can reach speeds of 61 mph and a woman holds the world record for pedaling a bike 184 mph. Looks like the pedal people have it over the ebikers. Funny since ebikes came out that certain people decided to make a big fuss about rules when people have been pedaling at your so called car speeds for years and nobody complained. As I said earlier I am 71 and I can pedal faster than 20 mph on the flat and probably 30 mph on a good downhill, I guess that is acting like a car.
All valid points. The ebike laws in Europe are always a hot topic because they restrict you to such a slow speed it's easy to go faster with a regular bike. Seems like the younger kids on high power ebikes are causing the problem. How do you propose this is solved?
But you can't really pedal 30mph on most trails or paths with pedestrians on a regular bike.
These bikes that go over 40 on a throttle are dangerous and you can't hear them coming.
On the road doing 30 on a throttle is fine but people don't use their bikes like that.
And tbh I think under 30 should be the cut off because otherwise it's a scooter and should be licensed as such.
I think your argument is flawed.
The reason bikes haven't been taxed or made to have documentation is because they were self powered. That's by you or by gravity. It's never really been about speed.
Ebikes came along and changed that. So there has to be some cut off point for power
Otherwise how is it different to an electric motorcycle?
@@letni9506 Humans are strange, give them something useful and they will figure a way to misuse it. I primarily ebike in the mountains therefore I have a high powered AWD ebike but most of the time I'm lucky to do 10 mph. Speed heats up the battery and motor so you won't be going fast for too long . YES it is safer to keep up with traffic because humans are also idiots behind a wheel. If I can pedal 35 mph then anything faster than that can be considered a motorcycle or moped. I have seen fools speeding down paths where people hike, on pedal bikes and electric bikes . I believe there are more older people that own ebikes and I don't see them as the irresponsible drivers except for a few. My thinking is not flawed as most people agree that to get the best range from your battery you should go 20 to 25 mph if you're in the streets.
I think ebikes should have enough power to climb hills. Go as fast as a city town speed limit to keep up with traffic. Then your stopping traffic overtaking. And should have registered plates on show front and back, to prevent crime.
Hill climbing ability is so true. I'm with you there.
A new rider out here in Eastern Oregon where people drive their side-by-sides and 4 wheelers on the county road still. I doubt these deputies out here care much either way how you're propelled and we've thousands of miles of Forest Service and county gravel roads, all to ourselves.
You're probably right!
i want something that runs 40 to 50 mph and gets a 60 miles range and they are so close to being there. but now i have to worry about the price.
Armada Predator
It's like there's a triangle of performance, quality, and price. You can only win on two of those.
I literally wanted the same thing so I built my own. 80 amp 3000 watt 72v 20ah 27.5" wheel mountain bike
@@maximumchargeEV your right. but right now i can afford anything. and its just going to get worse until 2025. but lets not go there
• 40 to 50 mi/h ✓
• 60 mile range ✓
You're speaking my language!
The eBikes are fine, it's some of the terrible kids riding them without regard for others' safety is the issue. Bikes don't ride themselves....
True statement. These surron kids are crazy...
You know you're right! I remember the old saying if anything can go wrong it will! Looking forward to your update on your new controller! How about this get the same controller from wired and don't add so much on the shut! Keep up the good work dude awesome!!!!
Thanks for the comment! I hit a bit of a complication with the controller upgrade. I May have actually burned something in the motor itself, which if is the case, these motors aren't worth pushing more than 40 amps into. I would have to replace the motor with something like a qs205 and run 80 dc amps into it, in which case, it's not a wired cruiser anymore, but a total diy system with a basic fat tire ebike frame. Waiting on a new motor core from wired to test everything out. I will see if I can fix the old one and maybe mill the axle down to put it in the front. Who knows!
If you ride responsibly there will be no problem but the thing is that there are too many selfish and stupid individuals who ruin it for everyone else. It’s sad. E-bikes are inanimate objects, selfish people are the ones that should chill out and act like responsible human beings.
Agreed.
Nice to hear a voice of reason much love from Denmark Copenhagen
Greetings from America!
The better thing would be to have real lanes for bikes/ebikes. I do agree with why not just get a actual Motorcycle idea. If you risk getting hit by a car might as well ride something that can help you escape danger quicker and last for longer rides.
I see more and more bike paths appearing. It's only a matter of time when they are all over. For Long distance trips and or highway speeds, motorcycles are definitely the way to go.
Then why do we need motorcycles that do 100mph ?? Oh but that's different right? And fyi in Texas anything 48cc and over is considered a motorcycle and need a motorcycle licence so why not have a fast ebike 👍🤙
Exactly. It's interesting how a different fuel source changes all the rules.
It is not about how much power you have the important thing is the rider. When you have a lot of power you have a lot of responsebility and need to behave in public. I have two high powered e bikes when i am alone i push them with full power but when there are other people i drive slow and safe
You are 100000% correct my friend!
Respecting other people around you and don't break any laws. On my e-bike sometimes I get away with some high speed running but that's when no one is around. Back off on the wheelies, do that away from the streets, you're the ones that are causing this situation.
It's all the show-offs with low self esteem breaking the laws. I raced Motocross for many years and I was sponsored so I know where and when to do that, on the track not in the streets. 🇺🇸🏁
I only see younger kids doing that stuff. Should they Crack down on the age restrictions? I agree definitely be curious to other riders. I don't want a surron flying by me on one wheel while I'm walking the dog on a trail
@@maximumchargeEV you are right, no matter where in life It does come down to respect for everyone, treating them as you want to be treated. As you know there is no greater freedom than an e-bike, I have recently found out about this new way of exploring. There's nothing like this type of power, electric type of power is unlike any other, not regarding acceleration Everytime, or breaking speed limits, it's the type of power of that is so pleasurable and different. I have social anxiety to a great degree and not causing any noise or air pollution and at the same time having the freedom of being considered a bicycle and can go wherever I want, I really don't want to be noticeable about the time that I am I'm already gone there looking at my taillights LOL. I live in Williams Arizona where there's nothing to do here put to visit the Grand Canyon in the world's largest ponderosa pine Grove at 7,000 feet with 10 trout stocked lakes Bald eagles and ospreys etc. so in this town of hotels and restaurants it would be nice if we had an e-bike rental shop here like in Flagstaff Arizona. Tucson has free scooters for all the public so they can use them freely why they visit the City while they're there and they can leave them wherever they want because they're picked up by city workers every night and charged for the next day. There's always going to be hikers and regular bicyclist that will have to accept us just like the skier's here in Flagstaff had to accept the snowboarders that was younger crowd where there was some problems at first. I'm in my early sixties and I'm the only one here in town that rides one, and it would be nice to see more. I enjoy watching massive group rides of all the PEV's!!!
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@eMikeArizona glad to hear you're enjoying your ebike my friend. If you're business idea is profitable, someone is bound to start it for sure! I think that's what elon musk wants with cars. A bunch of them just sitting around and you can rent then whenever, then they drive themselves back to a designated area.
@@maximumchargeEV that's the way of the future, that's good news to hear - I like that! If you remember that one big city I'm not sure if it was Budapest but during the covid they stopped driving and all their air pollution went away and it came right back when things started up again.
In California... the only people you see on Ebikes are 12 to 15 year old's riding all over like idiots.
I hate all the rules, but California needs to clamp down on these fast. Kids are using them to vandalize the area, then they take off in the ebikes and no one can catch them.
But Its going to reach a breaking point soon, as groups are forming to outlaw these things ... I can feel the hate for these ebikes growing.
Seems like it's an age problem. How do you think they will fix this without harming the rights of other responsible ebike riders?
@@maximumchargeEVI appreciate your desire to keep comments going on your channel here.. but I gave my thoughts. Peace.
35 mph is the limit.. Then you need a moped registration..that's my thinking.. I'm good with up to 35mph flat ground. That's the limit. No more bike privileges after 35mph. Kepler is the one I have. That's the limit I think is proper. Get a second battery and that's all ya need. No faster or new mods needed . just a seat post and comfy seat..grips and a mirror. Bag or basket.. It's perfect. Maybe a Fabulous Havoc or Fabulous Road Warrior for fast front wheel pick up and hill climbs. No need for over 2,000 watt bikes ever. I mean never ever. You just go get a motor bike and stay within the motor bike laws . losing the E bike privileges .
Yes the hill climbing ability is really what's important. After 40mph I start to get sketched out because I know I won't be able to stop on bicycle brakes if something jumps out in front. 35mph is a great place to be
Why do men want to go faster. Opening statement 😂
True! At least most of us. Probably why we don't live as long as women
they are pretty much electric mopeds
Pretty much
We don't need a lot of stuff? But we still want it! Why does any car need to go over 70mph? Why do we need alcohol? Because we can! Freedom can't be contained or you are not free! I'm not condoning anything anybody does but it's on them if they do whatever they do? It's not my place or yours to tell people what they should or shouldn't do?
I love freedom, so long as it's not hurting anyone directly, you know? Drink as much as you want, but don't drive drunk and crash into my cousin's car. How these e-bikes affect others will be the determining factor for laws.
@@maximumchargeEV laws won't change anything for people who don't respect the law. I'm not saying it's right but we both know drinking and driving is wrong and I would never do it! but some people just don't care and will do it even if you take there license.
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Glad you enjoy the content my friend!
In total agreement with you sir I'm currently eyeing out the roadrunner pro
Good stuff! What do you like about that bike?
@@maximumchargeEV the top speed of 50 dual suspension and motors I'm a short guy so I like the height. I'm currently riding the hard tail emove roadrunner
Please restrict the speed to 18 miles per hour and allow only class 1.
why not 10mph?
It’s a numbers game. The more people who buy them the more accidents will happen. If a hell cat costed $1399.00 imagine the roads out there ?😅.. Somehow you gotta punish the behavior and not the biker riding his fast bike responsibly.
Soon we will have high speed drones chasing kids on surrons.
We shouldn't pay for hot heads, but like always, they always target everybody, much easier isn't it, i have a powerful e-bike, but only use that power on the streets, not on bike paths, BTW the motor will not shut down, it's the controller's job to do that, change the controller, also i can't stand Karens.
At first i thought that surrons were useless. But the the more i watch surronster, the more im starting to want on. This is after i broke my arm in a bike accident.
I still think the lowest version unmodded is enough.
They sure look fun! As a lightweight dirt bike they are amazing
Sur ronster is a wreckless driver.
@stockey true. He caters to his audience
When e-bikes get up to my Bandit 1200 power, then I'll get worried. You've got a long way to go until then. I don't think we should have Ebike regulations, we need Karen regulation. "Sorry maam, your bitching quota for the month is used up. Please try next month. Complaint deleted."
Amen!! Freedom!!!
i CONCUR
At this point it just electric motorcycle. I mean it got a motor.
All ebikes have motors.
A moped has a small combustion engine. Is it a motorcycle?
Im not a kid anymore but id get one just to piss someone off, i think theyre neat and i hate electric vehicles. I think the neat thing is you can go places a motorcycle cant, its relatively cheap besides the initial cost. I used to ride 50's on bike trails and that used to really piss people off, if they get mad at these, theyll get mad at anything.😮
Watch the battery catch ablaze in your garage. Have fun.
@@raw_si_siht will do 👍
Do it! Piss off the Karen's please!!
What is the bike in the covershot??
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I just prefer a normal bike because i like paddling and it can exercise your legs i love normal bike❤
I have lost over 25lbs since I started riding my ebikes. When I got them I was at 330lbs, I'm down to 304 now. I am a disabled veteran, so walking more than 3 minutes causes me excruciating pain for about 3 or 4 days. With riding my ebike, I'm able to ride everyday with 0 to little pain. I don't just ride on full throttle I peddle most of the time. For me peddle assist is a blessing. I'm able to get outside and enjoy the fresh air. Not only that, getting outside everyday has allowed me to actually sleep through the night. Up until now, I got little to no sleep.
Normal bikes great for exercise!
Ebikes are meant to be like regular bikes but help you up hills.
As fun as these fast bikes are they are dangerous off road. They are basically electric motorcycles but just smaller
Not great on woodland trails where families walk.
If they go over a certain speed they should be classed as a moped and need the same documentation.
I see where you're coming from. What's too fast for a woodland trail?
@@maximumchargeEV
I think as fast as you can pedal on them tbh. So maybe 20mph.
If you can do 30 then it's basically a moped.
@letni9506 I can pedal a road bike to 30mph. What then?
@@letni9506I've hit 27mph on a skateboard on a paved trail, speed restriction isn't going to do much if you just find a downhill section.
If a bike has a motor then There a motor bike !
Regulate e bikes speed because you don’t need all that speed ? , then you should regulate sports cars , there fast so I don’t understand why there needs to be chill
I hear ya!
I love my e-bikes and I love power
Amen
Agreed 100%! I HOPE the outcome is easy access to faster and more capable ebikes that simply requires licensing and insurance. Unfortunately, the Karens of the world are lining up to ruin it for everyone! At least we can say we were there, for the GOLDEN AGE OF EBIKES!
Time will tell! Enjoy it while it lasts brother.
Let's not give up so fast. This is important.
Advocate City county council to put in bike lanes specifically for e bikes
Not actually a fan of having to license or insure them. Not that I don't understand why it exists.
Restrictions like that strengthen the argument for gun control. There are a majority of the populace that are in favor of gun control but gun lobbyists will never let a politician survive a vote for gun control.
I'm more on favor of granting access to powerful commuting class e-bikes especially for those with low income. They need speed and range to enable them flexibility in employment and access to common resources and errands. They need autonomy not curtailment.
I think an identification card should be sufficient. An optional safety endorsement would probably required by insurers. But this might be the only transportation available to many youths unable to get drivers licenses
@@SpaceCaseZ06I agree! But, I also think it’s just a matter of time before it’s required.
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So, are you telling everyone to sit down and just take it?
How much do you want this technology to reach its ideal potential? Do you want to have a say in the outcome? Does it matter for nobody in your life? Would nobody around you personally want you to take action in this moment when there's an opportunity to make a difference? Is there no tiny act of local legislative lobbying available?
You say you can't help it, but you love the speed and power of fast e-bikes. Even if laws do not currently restrict their speed, the laws of physics still apply to them. That is, if you crash into something at 40 mph, compared to 20 mph, the impact is not 2X, but 4X. One pioneer e-bike distributors shop in Seattle was frequently asked by his customers to modify his 36 V e-bikes by upping the voltage , and with it power and speed. He observed that every time he did so, his customer with the "over-volted" modified e-bike would end up injured, some of them requiring hospitalization. He learned his lesson quickly and left the bikes stock from then on. Who pays for patching up these bonehead riders after they come to grief? Eventually everyone ends up paying for them in the form of higher medical premiums. Do you know anyone whose been killed on motorcycles that automobile drivers simply haven't seen seen? I do--personally? Face it, fast e-bikes are a way for guys with skinny bank accounts to buy speed cheap, much more cheaply than purchasing proper motorcycles with sturdy frames, beefy suspension, real headlights and turn signals, speed-rated tires and serious brakes. As you can see by looking at highway fatality statistics for motorcycles, they are far more likely to kill its riders than are automobiles. And now you're introducing e-bikes to highway speeds that are simply not designed to handle the stress that this speed puts on their relatively puny components. Personally, I could care less if someone kills himself on a 50-70 mph e-bike--not unless it leads to a traffic accident leading to death, injury or vehicle damage of others. More importantly, you recognize that it's a matter of time before the Karens come out and pressure politicians to regulate the rest of e-bike riders. No, it's not the "Golden Age" of e-bikes, but the age of bonehead e-bike riders pushing the envelope of everyone else's tolerance.
I see where you're coming from, and your points are valid, and the reason why I don't currently own a motorcycle. True it's more of a risk going fast on an ebike. Humans are always pushing the limit, then paying for it. Look at the nuclear bomb. I do recommend wearing a motorcycle helmet if you own an ebike that goes over 30mph, but while I myself do that, I pass actual motorcyclists wearing NO helmet. Time will tell what happens..
I got one it’s on a bicycle frame and it’s goes easy 50 mph and I wasn’t even pushing it In mode 3
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I feel like they should be normalized regardless of motor, though i do feel that at a minimum for a certain wattage people should at least have a regular drivers license, as you do need to follow standard rules of the road IE stop signs and red lights. I ride an EUC and I feel that defensive riding is a must same as how defensive driving is. Especially the younger crowd who tend to do things they shouldn't be like; trying to get on the freeway, riding at 30+ on sidewalks with pedestrians, blowing blind corners where a car stopping normally might cause an accident... Which i saw a guy go over the hood of a car in this way. person was fine, bike was trashed and he trashed the front of that guys car. Again, i think you should at least know the rules of the road and prove it if you are going to get a bigger/faster bike. general commuters i think are fine as is.
Seems sensible to get a driver's license if you're going to drive in the roads with cars.
You can't prohibit youths from riding bikes. You really shouldn't.
However to your point that they should know the rules, there should be a way to add an endorsement for road safety to a government identification card. A driver's license implies the operation of an automobile and is only available to adults.
An adult should have an option the same as a youth to ride a bike with an identification card. At most a safety course and test that grants an e-bike endorsement.
The Heat 3 months a year takes the fun out of it.
Yeah if it's in the 90s I'm not riding. Same goes for If it's too cold.
There is always a time in a place👍✌️🇺🇲✌️
amen!
-"could care less"- ≠ *_COULDN'T_* care less
Lol sorry! Grammar
I hope the crazy ends and we come out the other end with freedom to own inexpensive reliable durable long lasting efficient clean safe lightweight comfortable e-bikes.
Torque sensor pedal assist with gearing that works to add pedal power all the way up to 45mi/h
I want my bike to be able to cruise at a sustained 45 miles per hour (73 km/h) for not less than 60 miles range and recharge within 1hr.
I want it for the street in *_dedicated e-bike lanes_* with the option for occasional trails with modest suitable suspension.
I want it to look as much as possible like a traditional high-performance pedal-powered road bike
I want it for day and night with appropriate safety lights and an informative display readable even in bright sunlight
I want it sturdy enough to tow a heavy-duty cargo wagon (or mini camper) with a total load of 450lbs to 575lbs
I want to climb a long hill with moderate to high steepness
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Keep up this content
@SpaceCaseZ06 all good requests from the future! To go 45mph sustained you need multiple kilowatts at 72 volts. At that point, even if you have pedals with crazy big gearing, you wouldn't be contributing any meaningful power to the electric motor.
@@SpaceCaseZ06 will do!
i have a 5kw stealth bomber clone and ride it on the road where it should be, riding something like this where bikes and pedestrians are is very dangerous and kinda stupid, yes it is an e motorcycle so accept it and ride on the road lol
All good points my friend!
The issue isn't the speed of Ebikes, it's minimal IQ to live kids who think they can get away with going 40 on a trail and getting the fun taken away from everyone else. It is unfortunate but that is just how it is. Jesus, I am 25 and complaining about "them dang on kids".
I'm not sure about licensing. If it does happen it'll be the class of the Ebike that determines which will probably cause a bunch of manufacturers to start making a dozen subclasses.
What makes it complicated here in the US as compared to Europe is the terrain. The feds can't, although they will want to, make any blanket laws for Ebikes because it's a rural vs urban issue.
A Ebike that goes 20 is probably fine if you live in a urban area but if you're in a rural area like where I am at, 20 mph wouldn't even get me to the closest store in under an hour.
It would be legislation hell, it will be so confusing and vague that it would make California "sensitive place" laws look clearly defined and practical.
But yet like you said in the video, they will be taxed somehow. Ohio is already concerned about funding road projects because the amount of EVs has caused a massive hit to the gas tax which is where the state got its road and highway funds. Best case scenario is they just make you buy a sticker that you need to slap on the back, worst case is they become regulated like cars and it kills the biggest appeal of getting an Ebike.
Just wait till people start putting up their own solar charging stations causing states and towns to lose both the gas tax and the electric tax.
Who win win. Decades of infrastructure laws and regulations OR some heavy bicycles
I see ONLY kids in videos riding around in surrons, pulling wheelies next to grandma walking her dog. Something to look into for sure. Time will tell with regulations. I do hope it's as simple as a sticker.
Who buys a 5K Surron to their kids anyway?@@maximumchargeEV
This is a hot topic now and has been since ebikes went viral. It should be simple. There are 3 classes of ebikes. Class 1 is a pedal assist only (no throttle) up to 20mph. Pedaling is required to engage the motor. Most ebikes I see on the trails are this type. I own one. Class 2 is pedal assisted with a throttle up to 20mph. The throttle is the wild card and makes this ebike more like a motorcycle. I've seen people riding them on the street and they all seem to be using only the throttle and going as fast as the bike will go. Class 3 is pedal assist up to 28 mph. Although you can never pedal 28mph going uphill I feel that class 3 ebikes should not be allowed on trails. Having a throttle makes it more synonymous with motorcycles so I believe class 2 and 3 ebikes should be only allowed to be operated on the street and subject to motorcycle laws. They even look like motorcycles. No matter where you ride them the rider must exercise common sense and ride them safely. But we all know common sense isn't that common. Just my opinion.
I see what you're saying. What about cadence sensors that essentially act like a throttle? Let's say you're just ghost pedaling slowly at 50mph simply to tell the motor to turn on? Technically it's pedal assist? Or throttle?
@@maximumchargeEV Not sure I understand what you mean. On all class 1 ebikes the motor disengages automatically unless the owner modifies it, which is illegal. I'm assuming the other two classes have similar governors but you're talking about 50 MPH. If an ebike can go 50 mph it needs to be restricted to the street where other traffic flow is going the same speed.
I agree with license for them. And they should be banned from trails
All ebikes should be banned?