Why Palm Strikes Suck
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2022
- I explain why palm strikes are overrated and why bare-knuckle punches are not as bad as people seem to think they are.
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QUIT BRINGING UP BAS RUTTEN!
He used palm strikes because he wasn't ALLOWED to throw punches to the head. But he DID punch to the body: ua-cam.com/video/LiuKudW3G94/v-deo.html
On targets where he could do either, he chose to punch. He only used palm strikes when he had to. Because he's smart.
To be fair, you can be a lot more reckless punching the body without it hurting you, but open-handed "thwaps" use the same reflexes and biomechanics apes use climbing trees so you don't hurt yourself even if you hit something awkwardly.
So maybe six of one, half dozen of the other. Now people wear gloves that specifically cater to punching so that context is different.
Okay. Fine... But, Bas Rutten would agree.
@@mattmarzula Bas would definitely be team "punching isn't the only hotness"
No, its because he is a professional fighter with years of experience hitting things with the fists and he also did Kyokushin karate that is the best of the best doing bare fist strikes. Bass rutten knoking out people with palms only prove that palm strikes doesnt actually sucks, if you KNOW how to use them they are a legit strike to use and even better in some situations.
Dude just hear to Bas Rutten talking about it and teaching it. 1v1 use fist, 2v1 use palms.
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@@kadarr7953 Not seeing any conventional punches there. Was your intent to discredit boxing as a fake martial art? Because if so you're my hero.
I'm sorry, they use palm strikes in Star Trek, so they are the future punches.
That's the only good point I've heard.🤣🤣
What about Kirk's "double clenched hands"? He took down a lot of people with that.
@@stevenscott2136 you can't argue with that. Optimus Prime did that to Megatron in the 1986 movie, and left Megatron paralyzed.
@@PerSchjonsby optimus is a fucking robot
If you're in hand-to-hand combat in Star Trek and have to resort to palm strikes instead of the Vulcan nerve pinch you're doing something wrong.
Great video.
You could've mentioned one more small factor in the Mike Tyson story. Most of us don't generate anywhere close to the "impact force" into the fist-face interface that iron Mike did.
5:08 5:12 5:55 😅 6:31 8:25 8:27
And also the fact the guy Mike was hitting was overdosed to the brim with PCP making him almost bullet proof as he kept getting up after being knocked out several times
yeah, mike tyson punches so much harder than any of us could even hope to, but the bones in his hand aren't much stronger than ours, its disproportionate increase
Self defense "experts" : "you should never punch in a street fight because you will break your hands"
Body shots to the liver and solar plexus : "allow us to introduce ourselves"
I have never seen a liver or body KO in a street fight. Im not saying that doesnt work but never in my life have seen it in a real street no rules fight.
@@kadarr7953 Because when people fight on the street, their instinct tell them to head hunt so they always chase the head. You need control, cool your head to fight that instinct. I have seen a bouncer disabled a troublemaker inside the club by a strong uppercut into his solar plexus, dude dropped and thrown up all over the place
@@kadarr7953 There are videos of people being KO’d by body shots online. Besides, KO’ing them isn’t the only reason you’d use body shots.
@@kadarr7953 you had never seen any liver punch,?? You got a problem
@@brucele2776 IN THE STREET
In sports yes, a lot, and i delivered it a couple times.
But in the street have never seen any liver ko.
There's also historical evidence to further debunk the "never punch in a street fight you'll break your hand" meme. I read Mendoza’s boxing manual from 1789. There are dozens of instructions about when and how to punch your opponent but it never once mentions a risk of breaking one’s hands. If illustrations from the period are accurate, boxers didn’t even wear wraps back then. So the guy who literally wrote the book on bare-knuckle boxing didn't even think to mention the risk of a boxer's fracture.
A lot of people don't realize how far back you have to go to get primary sources on bare-knuckle boxing. It seems most would guess the 1920s or so based on the texts some people quote to try and lend historical support to what I'm going to dub the "fists of glass, palms of iron" myth. It was actually outlawed in England in 1867! It's interesting because after that you start to get these same sort of armchair commentators giving the same basic bad advice.
I was hollering laughing until she hurt her hand. Love that he made his point using humor as well as common sense.
She hurt her hand because they are using the wrong technique, both of them were. Palm striking using straight motions like you do with a punch is a good way to break your wrist, the real way to do it is like he showed earlier when doing that slap motion going for the collar tie. When doing a palm strike you should do the same motion of a slap but instead of keeping your hand limp, tense it up like if your were clawing something, and give a hard swipe like the one a tiger would do to a deer. You can easily knock people out that way with little injury to the hand, if any. The targets would be the side of the chin, the side of the jaw, the temple, and behind the ear.
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zs
Fully agree. 👍
And over that, he conveniently asked her to both strike with her palm and punch on the SAME spot, his forehead.
In martial arts, the principle is, hard against soft and soft against hard. No martial artist worth his salt would strike an attacker's forehead with his palm!
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zsIt's a good tool to have in the box. Along with punching for sure.
@@kumar7586bro soft against hard makes no sense
@@DavidHernandez-dk1zslmao , "as if you're clawing something", "like a tiger would swing" ???!
this dude is unironically advocating for using your fingers as a replacement for claws and sticking those in front
because why not just easily break all your fingers too 😂
I love the "not a bug, it's a feature" thing
NGL, if I have to fight for self defense, a couple of broken bones in my hand are better than whatever the other person wanted to do to me
You got a point.
The fist and evolution wasn't your best analogy/argument. Our hands were designed to grapple and hold tools. As an impact weapon, hammer fists are naturally used by most if not all apes. Fists do not equal punching with knuckles.
I think this guy is often correct but his reasoning is a bit whack. I defo would punch over palm striking, but (for example) pretending you can't turn over a palm strike (like you would a fist) to prevent it being a "literal pain" is either short sighted or disingenuous.
The video isn't about "palm strikes vs. punches vs. hammer fists vs. grappling." It's about palm strikes vs. punches.
While our hands are great at holding tools, they're also quite good at making fists. Often for the same reasons. And our hand design differs from most apes. We are much better at making fists than other ape species.
How would turning your palm strike over change anything?
@@ArmchairViolence are you really asking why would changing the strikes alignment make it more comfortable/viable? Look at the hook punch, you fist is going to be rotated differently depending on the target range.
Now, I agree that the whole "don't punch in a fight" is nonsense (otherwise the local scumbags getting in a scrap every Saturday down the pub would be in perpetual casts), but just for your own interest, do a corkscrew punch but strike with the palm on your heavy bag - it's not as good as a punch, but it's also not as bad as you are making out. If you do, let me know how you found it.
@@ArmchairViolence Our hands are better at fine motor skills like sewing and typing. It's not right to assume that better hands = better fists. Chimps and gorillas have crazy grips compared to humans and can definitely make stronger fists.
I fondly remember Bas Rutten knocking people out with palm strikes in Pangrasse. I also remember him putting people to sleep with fists. I think you're bound to break bones regardless of the configuration if you're hitting that hard. The one thing I can see giving palm strikes utility is the fact the it stings more on the face.
Yeah buddy, because stinging on face is what fighting is all about! I’d say pinching works best! 🤷🏻♂️
@@TenemdaMc For maximal effectiveness, pinch the nose and shake.
@@TenemdaMc I'll do you one better, you should get a pair of pliers to reaaally pinch 'em! jokess aside I did say it was "the one thing" not "the thing that makes it better than a fist". You might've gotten those 2 confused there or I might be on the fence for nothing lol
He had more KO's with liver shots, tho.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y not my point, but yes you are right aswell
Throughout history, we hit each other with objects HELD in our hands. Apes and primitive humans establish social status by wrestling, but when killing time came, apes used their teeth and humans (with our sad little teeth) used rocks and sticks, knives, spears, etc.
All this punching and palming is the artifact of a society where we're so safe that we've forgotten the difference between sport and combat.
Seems cities have domesticated people and most of them have forgotten that we're ALL apex predators heh
"Inches matter in the fight"💀💀
Palms , hammers etc should be used as you mentioned: to solve specific problems in specific positions.
I.e.
I long fell into the trap of trying to replace punches altogether, when the best approach is honestly what you said which is sticking with punches until I have a good reason to deviate vs limiting myself by taking away my most natural strike.
This is the best answer here.
I enjoy this channel a lot. Sometimes you challenge my beliefs, sometimes you confirm my beliefs, but you always have back up for your claims, and you present it in an engaging way. Kudos to you, good sir.
Palm strikes are not for throwing from the outside, its for fitting on certain target surfaces while on the inside.
Legit this kid doesn't know how they're supposed to be used.
where do you throw them?
he doesnt know anything really. its comedy @@pimpenstein
Bullshit
like what? How can you fit that on "certain areas" when the fist is smaller?
This is probably the best clip you put up so far. The conversation in the end is priceless!
The ever so innocent "I mean... wouldn't you?" absolutely made my day!
The editing of your stuff is really getting better. Keep up the good work, man.
This video is full of nonsense 🤣 This dude almost becoming like an Aikido cultist himself...BJJ is going exact the same route as Aikido, becoming more useless, as it develops...ahhaaha
@@johnnyabatrossybro I guess if a guy tells me "palm strikes bad, hit with fist" I don't care whether he's into BJJ or not...
Palm heel strikes are great and can be used in a variety of ways, but it works differently from fist punches. In the end, it's all about the training.
People train for years throwing punches, learn how to do it, get used to them, they become second nature. Then, they decide to try out palm strikes *one day*, with the intent to disprove them from the start. It doesn't work very well (duh), they conclude it doesn't work and ditch it. Please, people...
I believe punching is only seen as the norm today because of the heavy influence from the sport of boxing. I also do believe the fist is an invaluable tool to have in your belt.
That's why I didn't show me throwing palm strikes as fists as an example. People would accuse me of ignoring the variable of my training. Instead, I addressed the anatomy and mechanics of the two strikes.
That being said, I've probably thrown fairly equal amounts of palm strikes and bareknuckle punches.
I think its important to distinguish between strikes with the heel of the hand and slaps. I agree hitting with the heel of the hand is a bit silly. Slaps have a larger area you can hit with though and their open structure is of benefit when hitting the head. Ignore getting injured and think about reliable transfer of force.
When you punch without gloves on you have two hard surfaces making contact and it's very easy to get a glancing blow if things hit at the wrong angle. A lot of your force therefore doesn't get delivered to the target. When punching with gloves you don't have this problem, as the glove compresses to the shape of the face. A slap does the same thing, the hand is able to match the shape of the face and not slip off, delivering all of your force.
Use punches and slaps, pick the one that works for your situation.
I trained mostly in boxing and muay thai and started adding in some WW2 combatives stuff. I don't really feel anything contradicts. The rule I was taught for palm strikes was “hard weapons to soft targets, soft weapons to hard targets” so punches would still be used to the body. The mechanics for throwing the strikes should be the same as jabs and crosses if someone trained boxing first. I agree that the palm strikes should not be trained on a bag but they feel fine on focus mitts. Someone in the comments mentioned palm strikes were used historically because soldiers needed to be able to still handle guns. I would add that similarly in a self defense situation you would want to avoid injury to your hands to access a weapon (possibly improvised) as well. Don’t misunderstand, I wouldn’t replace punches, I just think the palm strikes can be used in combination as well. At the very least, if someone insists on using only punches they should consider conditioning the hands like karateka do. Our fists don’t real get conditioned through the gloves and wraps. I started conditioning my hands only recently after I started watching bare knuckle boxing matches. Their hands look like hell at the end of the fight.
This is the best response.
You use both in tandum.
You seem very knowledgeable man how to you train ww2 combatives?? I'm super interested
@@Taekwon-Brando There are a few martial arts schools that fought in WWII (and within the Filipino arts it's a pretty big deal) but for others it's like HEMA. you get the training films and manuals from the best instructors of the time, go through their work and pick what works for you.
Tommy Joe Moore is a good intro guy for breaking down fighting methods used in the world wars and prior
As a muay thai guy, my first option in a fight would be to close distance, clinch, and use knees and elbows. I'm ok on the ground, so not really worried about getting taken down, although ideally I'd try to keep it standing.
@@denisl2760 For me it's a teep or push kick to keep them at a distance. I think the average punk wouldn't know how to defend against a kick at all and wouldn't be expecting it. I wouldn't hesitate to kick the groin either.
“In reality the only way to guarantee that you won’t get injured is to *not get in fights.*”
This is the smartest thing you or anyone else has ever said about self defense. You should do a video about the bias towards “street fight” situations when talking about self defense.
I’d make a video about it but my videos are too dangerous.
Palm strikes are crap. I tried one on a heavy bag with my left hand - strained my wrist. I thought it was a coincidence so I tried my right - strained that one too. Grrr! People need to stop telling people to use palm strikes.
Also, all of those "secret technique" palm strikes from kung fu and other traditional (or I guess process-focused) martial arts that "use chi to destroy your opponent's internal organs"... aren't palm strikes. They're pushes/shoves. Their purpose is to put all of your weight into pushing your opponent off balance and make them fall down, so you can either run away or capitalise on their disadvantageous position.
Bro, the energy and effort you put into these videos is great! I really appreciate them and I love how you can put them in such plain language. Keep it up!
This is the most underrated martial arts channel out there.
They def don't give this man as much credit as he deserves
@@VictorIsSaved agreed.
We have the privilege of subscribing to him before he gets famous ;)
There's a much more important injury factor than distal radius when palm striking. It's the scaphoid bone, much easier to injure.
I've noticed that while we naturally make fists we don't throw "traditional" punches, more like looping hammer fists or close fist slaps.
That's because our bodies were never meant to box, it was made for wrestling. Our natural instincts tell us to throw wide looping shots so we have to train ourselves to punch straight with legs and hips involved; but our natural instincts also tell us to use those looping shots as entry for the Scrapyard bully head lock, pull the opponent down and squeeze really hard. You can see that alot of time in street fights among untrained people, they can't throw strikes but the bully headlock manifested alot
Recently got back into fighting at 60 years old and am enjoying your vids. Very informative and delivery is hilarious. 😆 Thanks!
Just gonna be a bit of a nerd here: it's important not to overstate concepts like "designed" in biological principles. Nothing about evolution is "designed." Features appear, the net positive traits stay while the net negatives are filtered, but neutral changes or even mild good/bad changes can persist so long as they don't impede survival.
And, frankly, our hands are best suited to grasping things. Fists are one way people tend to fight as a default, but so are things like hammer-fisting, scratching, and grabbing (especially grabbing a weapon). I still agree with the main argument, just some wiggles about the verbiage.
Neeeerd!!! 😆
"Designed" just seemed like it flowed better in the sentence, honestly. Also, it always seemed like a semantics argument to me. Neutral changes also persist in things that ARE designed, because they're neutral.
If an AI simulates evolution, did the end product evolve or was it designed by the AI? If I create a product by continually testing it and making random tweaks until it did what I wanted, did that product *evolve*? Do I not get to claim that I designed a product? Even if I started the process, made the changes, and selected the end goal?
If God creates the universe knowing that evolution will create these exact creatures, were we not designed?
I feel like the main purpose of the design/evolve distinction is theological. It determines whether you're implying a definitive "end goal" held by a being. But such theological considerations are completely outside the scope of this video, so I didn't bother to care what I used.
@@ArmchairViolence it's a matter of perspective, but I'm not sure a theological perspective best fits with an anatomical discussion. but that's just me though, still enjoy the video
@@ArmchairViolence No @ if god created. "Design" has a specific meaning. It follow a purpose with a specific goal in mind. Otherwise it's not design, it's art.
I've been saving this one for some time now, and it delivered mightily
One of the most valuable and underappreciated martial arts channels on UA-cam
Very well thought out and great delivery A+ video
I think palm strikes have there place. One good thing about a palm strikes is that you can actively grab your adversary. If you are fighting one attacker. Using palm strikes you can transition from striking to a control lock easily. I learned this on chin na and japanese juijetsu. Controlling your opponent is better than just striking. For looking from out side the fight it looks like you are not beating the crap out of the guy that is trying to mug you. For legal reasons it looks more humane. If you have a lot of witnesses it looks like you are actual just trying to push the attacker away. But if your life is in danger all bets are off, striking, kicking and breaking an attackers limbs are necessary. Especially if you are protecting a love one. Just my opinion.
I’ve seen people duke it out in street fights, and they’ve always used fists.
A lot of martial arts and self defense systems that feature sparring as a must will often teach people to throw a hammer fist from guard. This allows you to throw/drop a lot of weight into the strike and has a reduced risk of broken bones compared to straights, crosses and hooks. This makes it a great opening strike, but you'll still need to know how to throw punches since they still work better overall.
there are a couple ONE Championship fighters who will throw lead hand hammer fists as their jab and it seems to work really well for them.
@@johnrambo4018 yeah but, they're championship fighters. They've spent years intensely training and perfecting their fighting style.
How many people do you know going to self defense and martial arts classes have that sort of training?
@@TheQue5tion dude a hammer fist is super easy to throw and can slip through the guard easier than a regular jab would. I wouldn't use it as my main jab, but it definitely works and wouldn't require much training if any to throw a hammer fist.
@@johnrambo4018 yeah but it's not as useful as other punches. If it connects properly first time then sure, it can end a fight. But once it's thrown you need to be able to follow on with striking or grappling.
@@TheQue5tion yeah I don't think you'd be able to end a fight with a hammerfist (unless you're a big ass heavyweight). But to use it as your jab seems to work fine
Awesome video, I'd be interested in hearing what you find on horizontal fist with first and second knuckle (boxer/karate punch) and the vertical fist striking with bottom three knuckles (wing chun/ jack Dempsey/ bare handed boxing).
Without gloves, I can hit harder with open hands and that's because of the little padding. Gloves pad a LOT more and allow to hit a LOT harder! Thus, padding can be a good thing!
I agree with you on that the slap is better than the straight palm strike for the most situations, but if you got an opening to drill someone in the mouth, you might want to reconsider, or spend some time removing teeth from your hands...
PS: I'd avoid punching as much as practically possible. I prefer hammer fists and elbows whenever possible.
Love the sword and pool noodle comparison.
I never did like palm strikes, they just never felt powerful like a punch.
Superb video!
So nice to hear from great experts.
You know, when I found this channel I thought to myself, 'why is Spider-Man wearing a Batman shirt?' But in all seriousness, your videos have really been a wonderful insight into a world I know nothing about. Except palm strikes on an opponent beneath you. It came up in one of the hatchet books I read many moons ago. Didn't understand why someone would attack that way instead of with a fist, but now I do!
I'm glad you mentioned turning the slap into a collar ties because thats pretty much the only thing I actually learned about open palm strikes. I was going to comment that at the start of the video but I restrained myself and did this crazy concept of watching the whole video.
P.S. why did you abuse your girlfriend by breaking her wrists with your head? Not cool man
Love the video. Lot of good points. Request: can you do a hammer fist video?
I think that the slap is undervalued in this video as a grappler slaps would be my main attack to set up grabs and stuff since I suck at striking and do not want to be in that range. I do agree with everything he said
If you're setting up grabs, that's a legit reason to use slaps. Either set up grappling, or use it to clown on your opponent. 😂
@@ArmchairViolence I a hundred percent agree
I love that superimposed background with the hand you have to stay still for btw
I’d never replace a jab or straight punch with a palm strike.
I love this video way too much. Bravo.
Hey what do you think of to shin do? Sometimes it uses a kind of palm strike called happy ken
I love your theme song at the end
I remember trying palm strikes on the bag. Immediately felt the over extending of the whatever thing carpal majjiga and immediately dropped the idea.
I used to do palm strikes on the bag all the time 6 years ago and to be honest i am surprised i didn't break my hand hopefully no one else does this
Nice vid, I liked the training dummy, so life-like
Can someone please provide a link to the song at the end?
I have wonky and inflexible wrists. There's two very specific angles where an open hand strike works better for me than a fist. Those angles pretty much only occur when I'm messing around
Professional fighters back in the bare knuckle days had that weird fighting Irish stance because head shots were pretty rare. If you make your living with your hands you have to be pretty selective with where you hit a man. If you on the other hand aren't a professional fighter and you won't be needing to punch someone for 15-20 rounds next week, go ahead and punch them in the nose or cheek good and hard and just put them on ice later so the swelling isn't too bad the next day when you sober up.
Doubt you'll see this but heres a question in your opinion hammerfist vs palm strike on the ground? I dunno been qatching alot of combat jujitsu lately and just wonder why they just dont let them punch already
Thx for the great information
mike tyson only having such a mild fracture against another elite heavywheight fighter seems more like an argument for punches than against it, I don't think most of us can even generate 1/5th of the force he could at the time.
another good use for palm strikes are close range uppercuts, william fairburn who was a phenomenal martial artist who served in the shanghai police for 10 years and later taught hand to hand combat to US and British troops in ww2 had that move in his system of "gutter fighting"
Just for curiosity in how many "street fights" you were involved in your life?
Great testing at the end.
How do you feel about finger jabs?
Thank you for the video, can you send the study please ?
“I mean, wouldn’t you?” Fkn gold 😂😂
You are a really good researcher and teacher ! Thank you for the videos they are really informative.
Why the sarcastic tone though, it is a bit distracting from your friendly attitude which we see in your collaborations.
I believe you have so much to give to the martial arts community, no need for negativity! :)
Your tone is so condescending and I love it.
Very good video! The only reason I like palm strikes is because of my time as a football linemen - hear me out... When you pop your opponent off the line, it is basically the same movement as a straight punch. One way to solve the broken wrist issue (which is a real problem - even in football) is to turn your hand sideways. Much like a hook, if you go palm in it helps.
Anybody make a soundbite of that "blocked, blocked, blocked, none of you are free of sin" yet?
I need a copy of that
i agree completely. If you break your knuckles and go home safe who cares about the injury.
"I mean... wouldn't you?" LMAO!!
Love your vids dude….There Awesome
great video very informative and funny i liked the piano man parody at the end. all together thats a subscribe from me
Bas Ruten disagrees I love the channel and I’m still watching the video so I’ll wait for the conclusion but still there’s a tremendous amount of evidence to suggest that slapping and palm strikes are preferable to closed fist punches without gloves.
Bas Rutten only did that because his promotion didn't ALLOW punches. He would have punched if they'd let him.
@@ArmchairViolence Maybe. You’re correct in saying that closed fist has a greater impact than open hand punches but it makes the assumption that you would throw the closed fist strikes with the same mechanics as an open hand strike. If your lady friend had actually loaded up and turned her hips over she would have broken her hand on your forehead (icy mike and Ramsey Dewey have both covered this if you’re curious) if she threw a strike with the proper mechanics and an open hand she has a nearly zero percent chance of braking her hand. That’s the question. Is it better to throw a terrible strike with a closed fist or a good strike with an open hand.
@@rapejuicesoldhere She could have broken her hand, but a full power palm strike would have definitely broken her wrist.
Also, if someone punches me hard enough to break their hand, it's probably going to REALLY hurt my head.
Obviously, punching someone risks injury. But so does palm striking. And so does fighting!
If you're already in a street fight, throwing a punch is NOT the most dangerous part of that encounter.
@@ArmchairViolence well of course it’s not the most dangerous part of the encounter. In fairness after 4 years of training boxing under pressure I would definitely throw punches, but with the knowledge of position range and timing I feel (I’m speculating because I haven’t been in a fistfight as an adult) could win most fights against untrained opponents by slapping them and not incurring the risk of a fracture
@@ArmchairViolence to be clear I’m advocating slapping here on the assumption that you’re correct in saying that you would certainly break your wrist which I think is a dubious claim given the history of palm strikes in combat sports.
Using full power attacks is similar to smashing and spamming heavy attack buttons on arcades
I love these vids where you show stuff and not only talk. Maybe I worded that wrong, I dont know.
i would love to see a good video of someone hitting the bag or whatever with palm strikes- i havent seen it - i like to mess around with it thinking i could use it kinda like a push as i disengage from the clinch or around that range with a kinda long guard
I like this guy because of his simple yet insightful, logical, practical manner of thinking.
I like how fighting itself isn’t glorified here. It’s not like the human arms were created with battle in mind. They are made to grab things… But that also doesn’t mean they’re meant for grappling. You can hit someone with a fist easier than grappling accurately without training.
Fighting is a battle of the individual, while martial arts are the guidelines that may help more efficiently use your body to ‘fight’.
Another Great Video Man…
Is that the old well???
I think that palm blows would be more useful if you are trying to make a throwing or are in the thai clinch, because by already having an open hand and being close it is more difficult for you to miss the blow and you generate more distance and the power is:
power = energy / time ; energy = force x distance
Whats your background?
His background is some rather poor sparring. That's it
Great video!
9:08 You missed a chance to make an Oscar's Will Smith slap joke, but that's okay. There are so many by now anyway.
If you haven't already, maybe make a video on hitting heavy bags barefisted vs gloved hands.
Kaylen actually made that joke, but it was terrible so I cut it. 😂
If I made the video, people would just dismiss it by saying that I've trained punches more than palm strikes.
I would have to get a bunch of untrained people to throw both while accounting for their force output and the surface area they make contact with, and that's way harder.
@@ArmchairViolence I punched wave master bags barefisted and with MMA style gloves. I consider myself to be untrained compared to other kick boxers and kung-fu practitioners.
Channel's what we needed in the mix. How can I put this?... Ok, it's like the "Lamens terms for the... 🤨 *_especially lamen"_* Bro's got the same cadence and delivery as the voice in my head.
Thanks for sharing. Its always people Who have never tried that aleays judge the fisting.
So how bass rutten did ko??
"wouldn't you"
Blank twice if she's abusing you 🤣
I have a weird move I figured out that I suppose is the "right" way to do this, which is to strike my wrists directly against a surface or each other. The only things I've done with it are break a window and put myself in incredible pain. The police were impressed.
Apparently bouncers use palm strikes, but most of them are huge, so everything works for them.
Im so glad someone finally acknowledged you cant make a proper fist in boxing gloves. This is the reason why i would rather compete in amateur mma than amateur kickboxing
Awesome video
Excellent points, but Everything depends on what you are trained to use, you are very correct tho that is is much more important to strike the target properly so that the force is not returned back onto you wether you punch elbow palm strike. Buttt also in most case people do not punch or use palm strikes correctly (also just a tip, a palm strike is intended to use the side of the hand near the wrist, oh and it's also intended to break the opponents neck or just chop to the throat etc
I’m in with a closed mind but you have some good points. I also saw palm strikes as frames and clinch range entry’s
What about hammer-fists? ...would that be a better (more safe) "alternative"??
While the style I practice does use fists with some of its techniques, how we engage an opponent is definitely with open hands with the idea that any strikes will tend to be palm strikes. The primary purpose of this is to not play the expectation game. If you enter battle expecting to hit with a fist then you are not accommodating any number of scenarios that fists don’t cater for. Open hand allows for adaptability, grasps, manipulation and strikes. We like to get close to our opponent, so setting up a palm strike that is efficient is part of our training. Injuries are the least of our concerns, it’s about creating an experience for our opponent that he is desperate to remove himself from.
I was thinking the whole time, like, I feel like they’d feel pretty natural on the ground, especially hitting somewhere really hard. But maybe not, I wouldn’t really know. And then he showed it
The final scene was gold
I agree with everything here.
Tho i do practice palm strikes, mainly as a *backup* in case I do break my fist. Or I have to strike someone in a place that would otherwise break my fist.
Are there many situations where a perfect palm strike is better than a perfect punch? Ehhh probably not.
I just find them fun and they’re an option in case you already injured or broke something.
The best application of the palm strike I've seen is only like, half a strike. The "Chin Jab" seen in Fairbairn's system jams the palm under the chin, gripping with the fingers to also take control of an opponent's head. It takes the open hand and does something with it.
does he know u can hit with the side of the hand?