Things Bad Martial Artists Say: PART 2
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- Опубліковано 8 лип 2024
- Another collection of things commonly said by bad martial artists!
This video includes some of the more laughable sayings, so I don't have to go into the same amount of detail.
Let me know if you like the more or less detailed versions better!
Intro 0:00
"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6." 0:36
"Lifting weights makes you slower." 2:24
"It works against multiple opponents." 4:28
"It teaches basic skills in a short amount of time." 6:19
"I've won a bunch of street fights." 7:35
Outro 9:54
Special thanks to Metrolina Martial Arts for letting me film in their gym. Any opinions are not necessarily shared or endorsed by Metrolina Martial Arts.
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"I've won tons of street fights".
Reminds me of that old joke:
"Don't mess with me, I won a ten on one fight one time".
"Really?"
"Oh yeah, we beat the crap out of that guy".
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@IanFooteRocks cool story bro. I too have been a tough guy on the internet.
@popeleox1202what did he say 💀 he deleted his comment
@popeleox1202 Yeah dude, I wanna know too 💀
You're wrong bro, my heart exploding death touch can kill crowds of people, but its useless for defusing my grandma's mean looks... forcing me to pull a gun.. I'd rather be judged by 6 than judged by grandma
This is the funniest comment i have read this month🤣🤣
thats a sick move it must be krav maga
“If you end up in prison, you’re bad at self defence”
Should’ve told me before I got judged by 12
As a concealed carry instructor I’ve legit kicked people out of my class for “I’d rather be judged by 12” like…dude if that’s your mindset I’m not signing off that you’ve properly completed the class, here’s your money back, go find a new instructor.
His comments about that phrase are a complete misrepresentation. The phrase makes sense and nobody who hates it has ever actually proven any different.
@@johnnycaralta A phrase can make sense but if people use it to justify bs 90% of the time, its a red flag.
@johnnycaralta explain it then. U just said it made sense, and he was wrong. I think u just don't like that he said this cause you're the type of dude to say it
@@just_fightin_things It makes sense because being alive is better than being dead. I guarantee you agree.
@johnnycaralta yeah. That's still a false dichotomy, though. Cause you can keep yourself alive without risking prison. Which is exactly what he said in the video. People who use this phrase usually start from a place of ignorance regarding self-defense law and even use it to justify not learning those laws. Again, almost exactly what he said in the video
My very first karate instructor was someone who got into a lot of fights (yes he was bad at self defense and he's used literally every single one the things you said in this video) he did lose a bunch. He was functionally crippled due to all the trauma he had from the times he's been shot, stabbed, bludgeoned, and so on. He could barely walk. Still was good at karate, but not nearly as good as he could've been if he had learned to walk away. If your instructor isn't near crippled after being in dozens of "real life and death fights" he's a liar and probably bad at self defense. If he is crippled from all those fights, he might be telling the truth and is also bad at self defense
I am FUCKED up from fights, both as a doorman and just self defense scenarios. I'm not crippled, but I will say I am feeling every bit of cumulative injuries in the form of arthritis, pinched nerves, aches when the barometer changes, all the fun I didn't realize was a thing until my thirties. I'm good at fighting, and do everything to avoid them, and I'm still fucked up. You can't tell, but I sure can. Feels like I'm sixty.
Fuckin cosign xD
he sounds like a good Guinea Pig though, to make him try things until he gets killed
And if he has only a few scratches?
@@stillenacht8518sixty can feel pretty good if you've taken decent care of yourself and stayed out of fights.
I used to work as a bouncer (6 years). I also trained Japanese jujutsu… I never had to fight. I used de-escalation and talked to people. I was under no illusions that I could fight with a big scary looking Russian dude that I had to get out of there. Instead of saying: ‘get out of here’ in an aggressive tone, I approached the guy and apologized saying something like: ‘I am sorry but I have to ask you to leave or we might lose our liquor license. You are more than welcome back tomorrow or another night’. Did he want to fight then? No. 🤷♂️
@@user-yf3ws7xs1f yup, spot on. Words to live by 😉
A lot of people seem to think that bouncers are legally allowed to beat people. Why is that?
The best response to the "judged by 12 than carried by 6" is from Icy Mike who says "I would rather do neither"
I'm so glad you addressed #2. I get so sick of hearing this from martial artist and some of my training partners. "Yeah I'd like to get into strength training but I don't wanna get to bulky." Listen pal, you're not gonna lift some weights and suddenly wake up accidentally looking like Arnold. People have NO idea how much work goes into really bulking up.
Also, for anyone that thi ks big muscle automatically make you unathletic, look up Brian Alsruhe. He's a Strongman and can do a human flag and foes burpee broad jumps and dragon flags in his workouts while weighing around 240lbs and deadlifting 700lbs.
This is generally true for anyone who argues against any kind of fitness. If you're worried about looking like any specific professional athlete, you can stop worrying because you'll likely never look even close to that.
There is some truth to this, but not in the way most people phrase it. Big muscles won't make you slower or unathletic.
But big muscles will drain your cardio. There are alot sprinters with big muscles, not alot of marathoners though.
Also if you're doing something like MMA where weight classes are important, having some muscle is good, having "extra" muscle will put you in a higher weight class and at a certain point the extra strength is not a good tradeoff vs. less reach. Depends on your style though. A grappler probably can see this as a good tradeoff, a striker not so much.
@@denisl2760 100%. Well put.
@@denisl2760 but the main point remains, you'll never accidentally wake up "too strong"
Fun fact: we do have people who were competent at using swords to stab people and gave advice on fighting multiple opponents (Musashi, Dobringer, Silver and many others). The advice they give is one of the following: 1) run away if even slightly possible, 2) use footworks to fight only one at a time, 3) run away so that the quicker guys catch up to you first, then fight them one at a time, 4) bend over, grab your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye (usually phrased as 'pray to God' or some such). Just about every other bit of advice either has you have a better weapon or is only meant to maybe discourage people from engaging, since no one wants to be the first one stabbed.
Just about the only exception is Musashi, who says you should use two swords (well, katana and wakizahi) and feel entirely free to chuck one of them at someone's face.
tl;dr If a guy who won over a hundred sword duels tells you to run, you probably should take his advice.
There's a former convict in Brazil called Pedrinho Matador (something like "Pete the Killer") who's been in a lot of knife fights in prisons and has killed over 70 people, according to the records. He has his own tips about fighting multiple oponents: basically, guys that atack in group are usually cowards. If you are able to reach one and be EXTREMELY agressive, you might be lucky enought that the others will run away. But even he say that if you can run away, you should.
5. Use a feint or distraction and hit them when they're least expecting it (i.e. cheat). 🤷
Love this. Essentially every "Technique for fighting multiple opponents" is either making it a one on one contest (however temporary) or doing desperate crazy aggressive shit that you would never do otherwise because why the hell not you're already fucked.
The running away so that the fastest catches up to you first is unbelievably good advice.
@@MarcosAG90 To be fair, probably more useful in a context where one good sword strike is all you'd need to disable someone vs unarmed fighting.
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@@andersson_casa underrated comment
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Worked as a bouncer/door man for a long time. Been in 'lots' of fights. Most of them were very fast and not really what I would call fights. I would say that you are completely correct. In most cases the individual was drunk, out of shape, unprepared, or all of those + more I haven't thought about. And I have still been hurt pretty badly over a long career. If you are not in a position where you have to engage then I would say don't engage. Get you and yours to safety. Be safe.
"You know what works real well against multiple attackers? A GUN."
Amen.
"Its ok that they're bigger and stronger. You just have to be faster."
*Zooooom*
Noting personell kid
*kick him in the balls*
This works if we're talking about running away. You can't hit what you can't catch and you definitely won't be able to hit me from 200m away.
Or "Stop wasting your time for a complicated moves - just learn how to kick in balls, poke in the eyes and hit pressure points and you would win in any street fight!"
@@alexferrana3979 Or just channel your Chi and no touch KO your attacker from a distance.
@@garbarrage and of course, size doesn't matter, just use his weight and strength against him (usually that excuse goes from fans of aikido, where the whole principe of that martial art is "use the weight and strength of your opponent against him").
"If you end up in prison, you're bad at self defense" - pure gold :D
Viking Samurai has good videos on 80s and 90s martial arts movies. But whenever he approaches actual martial arts and fighting as a subject it is clear he learned most of it from 80s and 90s martial arts movies.
A statement that bugs me goes along the lines of, "You'll learn this when you get to a higher level".
It's often used to describe very technical skills that take ages to master, and more often than not, they're less helpful in a fight than just improving your basics for the same amount of time.
it's also a red flag when 'advanced' deadly techniques are locked behind a pseudo-paywall of endless belt progression. If you train for 5 years, we'll show you the really good stuff!
I was always taught and teach that advanced techniques are the basics done well
That shit sounds exactly like my former karate dojo 🤣
Every school does this, not just ones for martial arts, what's the difference?
I'm actually hesitant to write this because i really do agree completely with every word you say, but i have actually been in a violent situation where i made it out because my 5 on one attackers, who could not fight at all, simply crowded eachother. I was standing in a bottleneck and they all tried to approach and swing at me simultaneously and i swear to god - they really did disrupt each other, and kept on disrupting each other enough for me to be able to hold my ground at this bottleneck for at least 10 seconds untill my 6 foot 200lbs friend came around the corner and started slapping them around. I caught a single punch to the mouth but that was it. It gave me a whole new perspective on the term "dumb luck".
"It's designed against untrained people". That's what said my aïkido master when i was ~ 7 years old...
You forgot "It's to deadly to use in real fight"
"The goal of self defense is to keep yourself safe. Prison is not safe. If you end up in prison, you're bad at self defense!" This!! Perfectly said, couldn't agree more. Same thing about the not getting into fights if you don't have to. Just discovered your channel, really liking your content so far!!
"I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" sounds like something cops would say knowing that neither will happen.
The only place that mindset could apply would be if u were already in prison...in that situation u literally have nothing to lose besides ur life cuz u were already "tried by 12" and failed (possibly as a result of someone else u forced to be "carried by 6")
Everything is on camera is what cops actually say. You should watch full badge cam instead of edited clips.
I don't think you will. It's too hard to sit through. I don't think you have the strength of character.
@@tvoyelitsoglupoye2326 I know it's scary that there are people walking around who can brutalize you for no reason with no repurcussions but licking their boots on the Internet won't save you when they're coming for you
@@randombencounter263 Have you ever met a bear? Ever fought over a weapon for your life? Yesterday did you stop two men who were fighting a woman trying to stop them from shoplifting.
I very much doubt it.
These things are theoretical constructs that you don't understand or relate to. It's very obvious you have little experience with violence and have no wisdom in your judgement of those who must deal with violence.
Why is it obvious? Well seeing that your assumptions about me are very far off I can only imagine that it's based on your experience and that is an experience of a fearful novice.
Police don't "deal with violence" they perpetrate it and then have their little toadies like you lionize them for it.
That's a lot of muscle you're carrying around my dude. Doesn't that slow you down?😉
It only slows down all the bad guys that get scared of my god-like physique. ;) LOL
"It might slow YOU down when I catch you!" 🤣
Good video. My other ideas about that - claims like "Size doesn't matter" or "Self-defense classes teach you how not to get timid in a self-defense case" and etc.
You missed the number 1 thing bad martial artists say:
"Don't leave comments on new videos of UA-camrs you want to see succeed. Comments don't help the algorithm at all."
"He's really good, but none of his students know how to fight" - I've heard this one twice about two different martial artists. Like damn ok good for him I guess, but if his teaching isn't producing good fighters then why the hell would I wanna learn from him?
He might be good as a martial artist and bad as a teacher of martial arts. Two different things. And if that's the case, you are totally right, you have no reason to learn from him
@@brigade911 Yeah I actually do fully believe that some great martial artists are bad teachers for various reasons. Most commonly I've run into teachers that are really skilled and accomplished, but are too old/bored to dedicate time to teaching students or be invested in making sure they're good. One of the best bits of advice I've ever gotten is that you should find a teacher that's old enough that they've developed skill, but young enough that they're still excited about it.
The whole thing with muscle making you slow or not flexible is just strange. Came into BJJ class at 112 kg and hyperflexible due to doing yoga as well. What I will say though is that it was a lot harder to build cardio, it's a lot of weight to lug around. I think it just comes down to some kind of small minded thinking. It's almost akin to the kind of thinking you would see in an RPG. Obviously this guy maxed his strength, so his DEX and INT is bound to be super low. 🙄
"I`ve been in dozens of streetfights, undefeated, those toddlers never stood a chance!"
I finding this videos very useful for a reason you probably don't expect. I draw manga involving fights and i've always have issues drawing the martial arts since it's hard to find material that really explains things. I'm finding out a lot of what it works and doesn't and will probably be applying it to my stories. Though, well, it's manga so it'll still be over the top.
That's actually great!
A lot of people only know about fighting from what they see in movies and comics. And current media is VERY inaccurate lol
Getting the public to be more knowledgeable on martial arts starts with improving media!
Good luck with your manga!!
@@ArmchairViolence Thanks. As i mentioned it'll still be over the top since that's what manga does. But i would like to at least get the basics right and make the characters use effective martial arts.
Looking videos around it seems many arts i thought were good for real fighting are actually not good at all. Which would you say are martial arts useful on a real fight? I'm guessing kickboxing, muay thai, brazilian jiujitsu or boxing, and some of the traditional japanese ones since they used them for war when guns weren't around.
@@ArmchairViolence True. Too bad a lot of media doesn't portray fights more or less realistic. And it has a huge inspiration on real life, when people really believe than someone with kung fu skills can be at a heavyweight boxer or krav maga fighter can disarm and beat a gang of armed robbers with ease
@@ArmchairViolence there's an I belive korean comic(manhwa) that is about female mma fighters and gives you explaniation of the moves as well. pretty decent but not super well known
@@aronnemcsik I think you might be talking about Teppu. It’s a Japanese manga about MMA. Super Eyepatch Wolf does a great video detailing it. ua-cam.com/video/PvTOlV6GGaI/v-deo.html
“Size doesn’t matter” “Speed beats size” and so on😂
Second claim is one of the most popular in Bruce Lee's fanboys clubs. Same with "Dirty moves is the best way to win" (like, they usually claims "Bruce just kicks Mike Tyson in his balls and the fight is over"). No disrespect for Bruce Lee, but his fanboys is really that stupid...
@@alexferrana3979 well, they think the balls are basically a shut down switch lol
Or they think Mike won't dodge or block it, or won't attack Bruce in balls too, lol. "He is just a boxer" - their most common excuse. Just a boxer with a great street fighting experience and criminal record, master of intimidation and one of the greatest heavyweights in boxing ever. Bruce is a legend, sure, but Mike Tyson is a legend too.
Plus, Mike's actual fighting record is undoubt and well-documented (I am not saying Bruce Lee didn't had any fight ever, but still, Mike had a great pro boxing record, alongside with amateur boxing and a lot of street fighting experience).
And Mike is also a fast fighter too, even though a lot of people underestimates him in that terms.
@@alexferrana3979 why is it even a debate though lol, any heavyweight would eat a lightweight 9.9/10 times. There’s a reason weight classes exist. Basically, don’t give em your time or your brain power😂. Let em learn from dk yoo
@PJ Rivera oh yeah, that's it. Also, Bruce has admitted than Mohammad Ali would kill him in a fight by just comparing his own arm's size with Ali's arm size. Because Bruce knew - size and strength is actually matter.
1:10 to be fair that old lady does look pretty scary, I wouldn't take any unnecessary chances with her
Add this to the list : "Jiu Jitsu is perfect. It’s humans who make errors.".... Basically blaming the person and not the jiu jitsu style.
This is actually in the previous video. "It's all about the individual," was the exact phrasing, I believe. Rather, blaming the inadequacy of the martial artist for losses rather than the shortcomings of the martial art.
@@institches2750 True. I saw that argument a lot and even the most competent martial artists usually says it, like "it's not about martial art, it's about a person who practices it" or "Martial art doesn't win, the fighter wins" (basically, it's a same argument like a previous one).
Instead of admitting flaws and downsides of a martial art, a lot of people change the subject by claiming something like "it's not about a martial art, it's all about the person" and etc. Especially if it's about such questionable martial arts (in terms of being effective and having a solid proofs of their effectiveness) like aikido, wing chun, kung fu, tai chi and etc.
I mean I get that phrase tho as I messed up a lot of techniques in the beginning and I was in deed the problem whether it be from not being flexible or not being confident I could do it or any sort of imperfection in form
Good video! "Just run", "I would just .........", "Grappling is not important", "this intelligent option will increase your survivability"
Those people "I would rather be judged by 12 than a 6" are types of dudes who think are jason bourne on a mission🤣
One of my favorites that you hear from internal martial artists is similar to the "big muscles slow you down", but worse 😂 they'll say that all muscle slows you down, so you have to completely relax and "use the tendons". Now it might not be a bad visualization technique to remove unnecessary tension from the body, but a lot of them legitimately believe that muscles are only meant to work as brakes and power comes from the tendons 😂
It's sad because they are just one google search away for stopping being ignorant.
Thanks.
I'll never get those brain cells back, btw.
When I was stoopid ( ie 17) I got in my last “street fight “, then I became a serious martial artist and never had another one. I have in the 33 years since had to defend myself twice but neither of those instances were “fights “. Realistically if you’re in a mutual or consensual “street fight “ then you are a criminal.
My teacher's former teacher, while he never bragged about it, got into a lot of "street fights" because someone would insult him or owed him money, and got away with it because his student was a police officer, and he beat lots of people up, and guess what? His students adopted those habits too and would fight each other all the time, and fight other people all the time, and so to some that's a cool thing for your teacher to do I guess until he turns that around on you. The moment my teacher got on that guy's bad side he immediately came at him with that same intent. My teacher eventually started learning a different style under a teacher who was good at the "verbal martial arts" and taught his students to first de-escalate a situation, and my teacher is a very chill guy who always stresses the same principles to me. The first teacher was bad at self defense, and the second was good.
I hope your first teacher and his students got in serious trouble after a while and that the one student who was a cop lost his job, people who go around staring fights don't belong in the parking lot of a gym or martial arts dojo let alone in one of those places,people who are trained fighters need to be humble.
@@atrainbrady3208 Nah no one got in trouble, cop got promoted I believe. Life is funny
@@unmessable12 they should have been in trouble, hopefully they're not in the martial arts anymore.
@@atrainbrady3208 One is, the other retired I believe
It’s funny, I haven’t been in a “street fight either”
I often wonder why that’s such a badge of honor. Isn’t self defense about putting yourself in the best position to not get hurt? Seems like not putting yourself in position where it’s possible is the best defense 😂
A long time ago (probably more than 20+ years, since I was in my twenties at the time) - I had guy at my boxing gym who - when the coach commented on his technique simply responded "well - that only works in a ring with a ruleset. In the STREET however - if I meet a boxer, I won't fight him with 'familiar' techniques".
I was stunned. These people exist. For real.
If your argument for keeping up crappy technique is that you train to fight someone with better technique and to mask your fighting skills... maybe it's time to look for another hobby?
(Oh, by the way - this dude eventually started his own martial art school, teaching "self defense for women". He had to close his business after just a couple of years.)
It shows how delusional and wrong people can be. Their psychology works only for proving them right, anything against it usually denies or claimed to be an "outlier". Like, adepts of "real kung fu" claims than "Anderson Silva is a wing chun fighter, who proves than wing chun actually works in MMA and real fights". Even though ACTUALLY Silva ISN'T a wing chun fighter (he just studied it a little bit, but in all of his MMA fights he use techniques from kickboxing, muay thai, taekwondo and jiu-jitsu).
Sounds like a perv.
I heard peopel say that because martial artists who compete professionaly have training camps that are suited to their opponents their techniqes wouldn't work "in the streets because anything happens there"
And then the person who told me that described how he blocked one hook of a random tenager as an example for why he's martial art works
Imagine the kind of galaxy brain thought process it would take to say something ONLY works against professional fighters. Amazing!
3:34 just sayin', guy on the left is larry wheels, a powerlifter, and guy on the right is eddie hall, a strongman
The only reason a good person would get into a lot of street fights is if their job specifically or indirectly deals with conflicts such as law enforcement, corrections, bouncers, or security. Even if it's something like someone in the medical field dealing with an unruly patient.
That's fair, but I don't usually think of those as "street fights." Especially since people who have those jobs usually have the size, numbers, and equipment to make sure they always win (I hope).
Was only in ONE "Street fight" but it was more like he took a swing at me, i lurched back and bolted. The best fights are the fights you avoid *Zoidburg noises"
I've been in a couple streetlights but it's because I live in a bad neighborhood...but it's like 4 fights in 20 years and I won 3...I kickboxed for 4 years and trained in different styles over the past 10 years....and combat martial arts are the most effective in a situation you can't avoid...by the way 2 of those fights were me protecting someone else...the other 2 I was young and lost my temper and the guy swung because of what I said so I instinctively fought back which is what happens when you train combat sports for years you immediately go into fight mode when a person swings if you see it in time....now I avoid it 100 percent the only way I fight is if I have to defend my wife or daughter from some attacker...
“I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6,” is an incomplete statement. There’s a prerequisite “In a life or death scenario,” missing. E.g. if I’m getting attacked by a group of thugs with baseball bats, I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. But because we humans tend to be stupid we focus on the part we like the most.
Well, that's the problem. These days it's used to justify people jumping to the conclusion that something was a life or death scenario, when maybe it actually wasn't and they would've realized that if they hadn't been so quick to immediately escalate to using lethal force.
I have 40 years of martial arts training as well as military and law enforcement. I have been in several fights with multiple attackers and I can honestly say, that I have not one a single fight. Oh, I take that back, there was one. I was undercover once and attacked by 3 guys. I had my duty baton in my pocket and was able to hold them off for the minute or so it took for my cover agents to get in the door and save my ass.
"Yeah you could definitely fight a guy" womens self defense instructors should be charged. Men beat women the same size as them 11/10
Great video! The "better be judged by 12" phrase is originaly a military/police saying that was hijaked by bad martial artist. Originaly it's supposed to encourage action over inaction, because in combat you have little time to make decisions. It's supposed to say, better to act and not be passive, even if you didn't choose the best possible action, because being passive can cost the lives of you and your friends. I used to hear variations of that all the time when I served. But bad martial artist like using military stuff for civilians, like it gives more credibility or something, even though it's not meant for civillian situations. They use it the way you said and create this false dichotomy of life and death situation where it's not the case at all.
About the "I've been in street fights.."
I have to think about Aj van Bakker and how he knocked someone out with a beautiful kick... also the same kick used in sparring. Not sure what kind of "sparring" he does but yeah....
The people I have met and that got into fights all day (through out the years) are always the one you should avoid!
Like you said, those are the ones why we need to learn how to protect ourself.
On a side note: I don't trust viking samurai anymore since he sucked up to Frank Dux.
Great video.
Great content on your channel.
Keep it up! And have a good day
the long awaited sequel is finally here
Back in the day I was told the "Rather be judged by twelve.." fallacy. The British version is "Better to be judged by twelve good men and true, than carried to your slab by four boys in blue" I was told this by a very good Muay Thai instructor. He did eventually get murdered though. Not such good advice in the long run.
This was really good. Better than Part 1.
This is great. Love it
My new favorite martial arts skepticism channel. Move over Mcdojo and Icey Mike. The genre has a new master.
I feel like "It was made to be used by smaller people on larger people" is something that occasionally get bandied around.
"Competition waters down the martial arts." "I couldn't defeat you, but my sensei could." And my personal favorite justification of why a martial art doesnt work in combat sports: "a skilled martial artist is not going to walk around trying to kick people's asses, that's what an unskilled asshole does!" -> ergo you only train against the moves of unskilled people, which are appartently stepping punches followed by leaving your fist outstretched and then going limp. Also "I would just not be in the way" "I would just pivot out of the way" or basically any sentence that's "I would just do X".
Very good point about the combat sports teaching you useful skills in a shout amount of time. Everyone should start their journey with combat sports while their bodies allow them.
Fenomenal point about people who claim they have been in tons of street fights. Just by calling them street fights, one can guess they didn't assess the situation properly.
The best skill to avoid fights? Good cardio and ability to sprint really long and far. And also situational awareness, knowing how to read the room or even swallow your pride to walk away.
Yeah that.
I have some friends who think I'm tougher than I do, because of martial arts training, and me having a +7.5 inch wingspan. I ran from a highschooler who was having a tantrum, the other night, because he was stalking me through my subdivision, and I was worried about him having a gun, as well as going to prison for fighting a high schooler.
I like when a martial artist talks about their style having either secret moves at a rank which is generally higher than they are which will make their style effective or that by mastering the content of their style, the best or most faithful students will be accepted by these mysterious grandmasters who could beat an average anime character, but aren't making tons of money from their skills.
I like your channel name, and I like your point about winning street fights. Made me think of a Rory Miller quote. Something to the effect "would you learn driving from a teacher who bragged about being in dozens of accidents?"
"Better be judged by 12 than carried by 6" is partly valid argument becouse well at least in my country a courts look every detail for example were was once a case there old guy shoot some thugs who were charging at him and was sent to prison becouse a court decided that he over exceeded self defense limits becouse he should have aimed at not vital areas
Non-vital areas like their brains?
No shoulders and knees
@@vytautasmikuciauskas222 It was a joke, meaning they probably didn't have any brains. ;) Anyway, how asinine can the court be? I have shot 550 in 10m ISSF air pistol, so I am more accurate than most, and there is no way I could do that. Shooting shoulders and knees of people charging at you? Do they think that pistol shooting is like in the movies?
Although it's mostly for show, FMA has a couple of damn good things about it, "defanging the snake" and teaching weapon retention. To me at least, but what do I know, I can't fight my way out of a wet paper bag! I'm old and have really never been good at violence anyway. Love your channel though! Hard to Hurt and Fight Smart Trav are my favorite channels about learning stuff like this. I'd like to teach my daughter how to defend herself, even though I suck at it.. probably going to try and find a good combatives gym around for her and maybe boxing. 🤔
Having actually spent a lot of time around dangerous people and had a blade pulled on me, a gun pulled on me, I've been in 0 street fights. And the last time someone REALLY wanted to have a street fight with me, it was because I hit a nerve with a joke, and when I apologized and clarified I hadn't meant any real offense, we were alright.
People don't like getting hurt, and if you're actually getting into street fights frequently, I don't believe you. I've known people who were homeless for extended periods of time, people who were drug addicts and dealt regularly with dangerous people, and I myself have had a blood pull a gun on me, and none of the people I'm describing go LOOKING for fights. I enjoy fighting, it's a fun and thrilling thing to me, but I also understand that danger is bad for my health, and I try to stay in the habitable zone on that.
If someone EVER tells you they've been in dozens of street fights, and they're not some old head gangster smokin a blunt, they're definitely lying through their teeth.
This guy doesn't understand, "I'd rather be judged by twelve, than carried by six." This quote doesn't suggest, at all, that you, as a defensive person, should escalate situations.
Fun video!
Curious about your perspective on Kattar's recent fight, differences between this outing and his performance vs holloway last time. To my eye, it seemed like he relied less on the long arm post + other hand shield this time.
In your view:
Is he a "Fixed" fighter now?
Was this just a significant step down in competition?
Somewhere in between?
asking because it could be a fun follow-up video.
Keep up the great work!
cops love no.1
and they always use it. Qualified immunity accommodates this
Lifting weights definitely helped me gain explosiveness and speed.
Subscribed and liked this video. I agree with your points but I think it would be fair to say that what you say has a strong unarmed martial arts focus. With unarmed arts , combat sports are where it's at but with weaponized combat sports sadly, we still haven't had our version of the UFC to prove if an Olympic saber fencer, kendoko, HEMA or FMA practitioner would have an advantage on the "streets" or as was said sometimes in old fencing books "on the ground," meaning the dueling ground. I'd also like to say that using street fight records to further sell whatever art one is trying to sell has some ehtical flaws, I think real experience is learned from them and although perhaps socially undesirable, they do nevertheless provide learning. A long time ago in many places, military officers could be punished for dueling but at the same time would be expelled if it was found out they had refused to accept a duel.
6:08 depends on the skill of the group of attackers as well, I can easiliy defend myself against 5 ten year olds but definately can't against an mma fighter.
The way we're taught to fight against a group is "DON'T". And if you have to, keep moving and try to get them lined up a bit so you're never fighting more than one at a time because you'll get destroyed.
I heard a lot of people saying that
To be honest, if you're a somewhat fit runner and the country you live in has very rare gun ownership (Ukraine, for example) you legitimately can pull this off most of the time. But if someone has a gun? You're fucked.
@@avenger4027 it's not just that, someone may be between you and the exit or you maybe be surrounded, or maybe they are other people that stand a bit further away for that purpose, also you may be in a closed space or be at position which you do not have enough time to accelerate without getting hit. Finally they might be faster than you and quite possibly know the area better than you
Yeah, if someone can beat me up, they can probably outrun me too.
Lol that last part with the music. I honestly didn’t see those episodes of Viking Samurai with Rokas & that other dude. To me anything to do with Aikido or even Hapkido(I’m a 4th Dan) is useless… I wasted enough time trying that Hapkido stuff… it’s like Aikido.. not much different in my opinion, they think they are more agressive but at the end it’s like you said in the beginning against an average size adult with average strength it doesn’t work.
Geez man, nobody is saying "If a drunk guy starts something with you in a bar, shoot him 28 times in the face"
Like, twice will do
Part 3 I hope ::)
If we're being honest, the street fights boast is even emptier when you think about it in any depth. What are the odds that the random person involved in that fight actually has training or knows what they're doing? How drunk could they be if they're belligerent enough to star the fight at all, especially if the other person is bigger than them? Random streetfights just don't prove anything. I find it more impressive for someone to have a string of victories in MMA matches or a similar sport where the opponent is roughly on your physical level AND knows what they're doing.
Actual lawyer here speaking in defence of the “judged by 12” argument:
Whilst *I agree that it’s possible to take the argument too far,* at the same time, I see a hell of a lot of scaremongering about the law on self defence, mainly from the RBSD crowd who want to give their styles a USP. They make it sound like you are Nicholas Cage from Con Air and you will go to prison for breathing on someone if you don’t listen to their expert guidance.
Some common BS myths they peddle include:
* You need to “fear” violence in order for it to count as self defence.
* Pre-emptive strikes are not self-defence.
* You have a duty to retreat.
* Martial artists are held to a higher standard.
Against this backdrop, saying “I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6” is a reasonable retort. The key point is that you are being *judged* by 12, not that you will automatically get sent to prison. An undue level of concern about being prosecuted can put your safety at risk because you fail to neutralise the threat.
This is mostly true, but I do have a couple of nitpicks:
1. A lot of places DO have duty to retreat laws depending on where you are. It's more important to know the laws of your state, because a lot of them do require you to retreat when in a public place.
2. If your case has been brought to trial, there is an overwhelming chance that you are being convicted. Your best chance, by far, is to avoid being charged. Quite frankly, I'd much rather be shot than be charged with homicide, as I'm much more likely to recover from a bullet wound than I am to beat felony charges.
@@ArmchairViolence thanks for the response.
The duty to retreat thing may vary based on the jurisdiction (I practice in England and Wales). If there is such a duty in your state then ok. But it’s a myth that seems to get peddled everywhere including England and Wales.
(EDIT: I just did some highly advanced Wikipedia research and it looks like only a small minority of US states have a duty to retreat).
Tbh I’m not sure how a duty to retreat would even work considering merely threatening someone counts as assault, so the implication is that you have to literally let other people commit crimes against you by backing down to their threats.
As for the overwhelming chance of being convicted, this obviously assumes your case actually makes it to trial, which it may not. Then again, if it doesn’t make it to trial, then you’re not being “judged by 12”, you’re merely *risking* being judged by 12, but I suppose people who use that phrase aren’t thinking that far ahead.
@@MetalCooking666 Yes, but the best way to make sure your case never makes it to trial is to ensure that you don't break any laws! And with laws varying by state and locality, and prosecutors having a great deal of leeway in who to charge, we do often have to be careful. It doesn't mean we can't defend ourselves, but it does mean there are cases where 3 punches would be self-defense, but the 4th punch is a felony.
More importantly, the "judged by 12 than carried by 6" saying is, at least in the US, used in the context of shooting someone to death if there is even the potential that they might be a threat. I don't know if you heard about the recent cases of someone being killed for pulling into someone's driveway. Or being shot for knocking on a door. The phrase is stereotypically used by the "shoot first, ask questions later" crowd which is why I rail against it.
@@ArmchairViolence yeah to be clear I agree it can be taken too far. There is such a thing as lower-level self defence (in fact I think a lot of traditional techniques like standing submissions that “don’t work” in sparring have some utility there).
With the 3 punch vs 4 punch thing, I don’t think it usually comes down to that but it’s more of a question of context. If the person was clearly no longer a threat to you after punch 3 then punch 4 would be over the line as at this point you have strayed from doing what you had to do to protect yourself into punishing them. If the fight was still very much in full swing then that’s doubtful.
A famous controversial case in England is that of a farmer called Tony Martin who shot a burglar. The media (especially the tabloids) jazzed it up as this example of self-defence law gone mad, but the reason it didn’t count as self-defence (which the media omitted) was that the burglar was running away.
Maybe I’m being overly charitable, but I tend to assume people who use the “judged by 12” argument in a the context of a discussion about martial arts are talking about (1) genuine self-defence (if it’s just someone pulling into your driveway then I don’t see where the “carried by 6” part comes into it) and (2) unarmed combat (if you’ve got a gun then it’s not really relevant to a martial arts discussion).
@@ArmchairViolence Everyone is ignoring a likely potential scenario in which you don't have enough:
- information about attackers, weapons etc. to know whether you are in real danger
- time to process aforementioned information if you have it and react to it.
P.S. Why would you rather risk dying or getting serious permanent injuries from getting shot than risk being incarcerated for homicide?
Love the video. But why so many tactical nuke references 😂
not the toddlers, soccer moms, and grandmas 😂😂
Yooo let’s go! I’m gonna teach bjj on Thursday I’m gonna try to see if I can stick in all these falsehoods from part 1/2 in a single class.
"Its meant for multiple attackers" reminds me of the scene in princess bride when Andre the Giant got choked out
Bulky muscles slow you down? I guess Ubereem never got the memo.
My kajukenbo instructor said basically what you did. He said the first thing to do is try not to have to fight in the first place.
What he told me was that the number of times he’d been attacked or confronted was five (I think) and three (or maybe four?) out of those five were solved with no philysicak contact whatsoever.
Boy do I hope to be in part three, here goes:
There is one exception in history for there being techniques specifically for multiple opponents that do not work against singular opponents. This is armed martial arts in an actual martial situation when fighting a fight of attrition when being outnumbered BUT being equipped with larger weapons. By this I mean a situation where a few people are fending off a bigger force, usually with spears or zweihanders. Note, that this doesn't necessarily mean even attacking the opponent, but fending off as in keeping them away by occupying space. These "techniques" are more tactics than singular techniques - most often just swinging in large arcs to take as much space as possible so the enemy would not dare to close in. Why this works is because of two things: weapons and fear. Absolutely no-one wants to charge someone swinging a halberd, a cutting spear or a zweihander, because getting even a "minor" hit means most likely death or a loss of limb. And why this counts as an exception to the claim no technique works better against multiple people than one, is that swinging in large arcs is EXACTLY what you never do against one opponent - you keep the point of your weapon towards them and control their weapon.
Also, HEMA is best for self defense because you never get into fights. Your hobby is so unusual that you only hang out with other weirdos at home because you have no money to go out.
#historical fencing "for the alleys" ⚔️
"you only truly see and understand this after doing it for X amount of years"
Like, f*ck off I'm going to do something trusting there is a potential ROI 10 years off
I used to love fighting when I was young. Sports, backyard matches, street brawls whatever. I don't remember when I started to realize how dangerous but over time I've chilled out a lot. Haven't had to fight since I decided I was done, but my policy these days is if I gotta whup some ass it's going to be a very unfair fight xD I carry a mouth guard and knuckles and I'm not above throwing rocks either 🤣 well and truly outgrown any interest in getting hit in the face anymore
It always makes me chuckle when people make comments about getting too big and bulky like it will happen by accident. Do you have any idea how much effort it takes for me to look this mediocre? Trust me, if you aren’t on the tren train it’s going to take months/years to make substantial gains.
Legend has it hes still looking for idiots till this day.
I grew up in Pittsburgh watching older kids get into street fights. Some fights were king of the hill ego fights, while some others were turf war fights and some were even vendetta type revenge fights where individuals got ganged up on because they had beaten up someone else fairly and we're a revenge target. There were also free for all's that happened after sporting events.
The martial distinctions were: boxers, wrestlers, and tuff kids... Some kids may have learned some basic Karate or Kung-fu because that's what was available. It wasn't all that functional but was mysterious and deadly supposedly...lol! To me it always seemed useless unless it could work as fast and hard as punch & tackle tactics did. There was a lot of slamming and ground-n-pound too...
I've had plenty of challenges and exchanges. Half I lost and the other half I won. But it was in self defense or in response to bullying.
Why do people think that muscles automatically make you slow... The fastest runners are super muscular with superhero bodies
That guy lost his face when he started talking crap about the Veteran Martial Arts.
As far as I am considered, his black belt is unearned.
Very witty!
Good points again! However by way of a counter example I would say that going to the ground is a wonderful move in a one on one fight, as evidenced by the entire history of MMA. Fastest way to win. On the other hand, doing this in a multiple attacker situation will instantly get you kicked in the head or stabbed in the back. So you're limited to only things you can do while standing up and preferably while constantly moving around. Pretty much every martial art I've seen has upper level drills for this situation and they all look pretty much the same. Your goal is no longer to subdue one enemy, your goal is to use them as a human shield and get away. You can beat them up one at a time when they chase you :D But use that stuff in a one on one and you just dance in circles dealing light to moderate damage till they finally connect hard. Except Sumo, they use it all the time there.
Not only mma, just google it and you'll see plenty of people effectively going to the ground to stop robbers, crazy people, etc. For some reason people think the only self-defense scenario is a fight against hooligans
So you're telling me that shuffling around in a giant circle to deal with a group of attackers isn't a good self-defense technique 🤣
It is so stupid for everyone to use the 'street fight' example when there are a bunch of unknowable factors and a very high amount of risk involved like eye gouging, biting, shooting a gun, dropping on hard concrete by accident, randomly getting hit by a car, multiple attackers, knives, baseball bats... Literally anything and everything may happen.
Fantastic video...u make solid and simple facts to refute the bad martial artists teachings and provide great examples. Something that might help get more views from casuals who seriously need this information for the next video would be to try and include clips of 1 of these bad instructors actually saying/demonstrating the stupid things they say and then also show a clip of their "technique" failing in a real life scenario (of course that's assuming it's possible to find those videos) ...just a thought either, way I really enjoyed it great job
3:26 A girl said it to me :( "You have to big muscles."
I just do Calisthenics, not even heavy weights... I am a gymcell.
To be fair the "rather jugded by 12" I can understand if you live in a country with very restrictive self defense laws.
I like this video a lot, but I must say that your last point feels like it's underestimating just how bad certain streets in the 1st world can be
Do an entire video JUST on Master Wong