there are multiple youtubers already trying this Backfire Challenge. It's actually an interesting challenge to see. Portrays a hunting-type scenario, average hunting rifle performance, average hunter/shooter performance, etc. instead of Comp. Rifles and Shooters.
Not just his abilities, but the rifle as well. Your typical hunting rifle with factory ammunition shoots what 1.5-2 MOA? The vital zone on a deer is about 2 MOA at 300 yards. Even if you do literally everything right, your rifle may not have enough mechanical accuracy to reliably make shots past 300 yards and if you can’t do that it’s extremely unethical to take that shot.
@@jason200912 as far as angle, yes. An animal’s lungs always stay the same size though. At 200 yds, a 2 MOA circle will easily fit inside the vital area. At 300, the circle and vital area are about the same size, and at 400, the circle is larger than the vital box meaning your chances of an ethical kill drop dramatically.
But that's exactly who this isn't gonna reach. Either they won't watch the video because "they're noobs"/"it's a waste of time"/"they suck" or they'll armchair quarterback and nitpick every detail from their ODA team 6 club house as for why these guys couldn't get it done.
When hunting, don't be afraid to not take a shot. Get closer, get comfortable, wait for the wind to drop off, or whatever you need to do to make a clean kill. A miss is a miss, but a wounded animal is suffering. Hunt ethically at any distance.
Absolutely. Typical hunting rifles are 1.5 to 2 MOA rifles with GOOD factory ammunition. So past 300 yards if your zero is perfect, your trigger pull is perfect, you’re steady, you do every single thing right, you are still not guaranteed an ethical kill and should not take the shot because it is beyond mechanical capabilities of the rifle, let alone the shooter.
@@jayphillips6513 they really aren’t. Not unless they are in a chassis or the stock is bedded and you’re using match ammo. If you get a cheap bolt gun off the rack that consistently shoots sub minute, keep it because it’s fairly rare.
As an avid hunter and competitive shooter (metallic silhouette), I can state that THIS is exactly the kind of "practice" that produces results. Every time you shoot this way, you learn something and can take notes for reference the next time. That's assuming you're using the same gun/ammo combination the next time... but just get out there and do this, folks!
Almost no shooters are good enough marksmen to be concerned about accuracy and ballistic efficiency at 500 yards. They (we) need to work on the marksmanship skills to hit reliably at 300 and then we can start to think about longer ranges. Twinkie was spot on when he estimated his maximum range in the debrief. Jim, are we going to see you shoot the challenge? Maybe invite Ron Spomer?
I would actually say the opposite. Almost any person, even with zero experience, can walk on to hits with a spotter at up to ~1k yards. It’s frankly not hard on a flat range. But, even very experienced shooters often can’t do a first round cold bore shot in unfamiliar conditions with a sentient target.
@@beavismagnum thats absolutely true on the walking part. but what i will say is the very good shooter is walking hits in inches left right, not feet at 1k. there jst arent a lot of really good shooters around. a lot of people waaaay overestimate their skill and gear. I know a few experienced shooters that frankly never cared to become better shooters. Thats why i use the word good, not experienced 🙂
So glad you’re doing this! I’m very tired of all the forum elk snipers claiming they’re comfortable taking game 600+ yds. They’re reckless and irresponsible. Even if you’re very skilled which most of the blowhards in the forums probably are; off these hasty supports with unknown ranges and making wind calls, add in time constraint and targets that move; MOST hunters can’t get their real-world hit percentage above 75% at 500+. And that’s not acceptable for game. Don’t give me “oh, the misses were probably hits on game”. Nope. And let’s be real, these guys here are average - maybe above average shooters and their FOUR HUNDRED yard hit percentages aren't above 60%! Some only 40%! Again, unacceptable for taking game. Not saying 400+ shots are irresponsible, but get your skills where they need to be. I know many of those wannabe-sniper hunters have successfully taken deer and elk at 500 plus. I’ve heard of guys doing it at 900. But there’s measure of luck and reporting bias; we don't hear about the misses. Also: the friggin animal can move on you when you have a 600+yd shot with at best a 0.75 sec TOF. I bet 98% of guys claiming they routinely take game at 600 would have these exact same results if put to a test like this.
@@beavismagnum I've never seen a ulr shooter where they go blasting until they get a good hit. 3-5 shots max. Otherwise they aren't a true long range shooter.
@beavismagnum most people I know that actually hunt long range can get these 1 round hits. The amount of practice, ammunition they reload, and the equipment they carry supports such skill. The real problem is social media will make people believe that anyone can do this without proper equipment and skill and lets be honest, there isn't a lot of ranges that truly allow shooters to get proficient enough to make these shots. What also baffles me is the number of people that will rag on long-range hunters, but those same people will not hold "close ranfe" hunters accountable that scuff shots. You know that guy that goes to the range every year, shoots 3-5 times then turns around and thinks he can 100% the time take an animal at 0-300 yards. I have seen/heard more animals wounded to these hunters vs. long-range hunters.
Elegant initiative to bring a bit more of ethics into hunting! Doing this with high entertainment value is a very nice move. Of course many in the comment sections would have scored a lot better... with cameras in their faces in a new environment. Good lessons!!!
I cut my teeth on LD shooting over 25yrs ago. Not that I do much of it, but recognizing that a 6" gong at 400yds with a subMOA rifle is a bit of a challenge(concrete table, sandbags, etc). Going longer without such niceties takes dedication to practice, experiment, and build familiarity with discomforting positions. I'm very good off a bench to 300+, 400 is fun n challenging for steel. Don't ever ask me to go at game 500+. You'd be taunting me with foolishness, and Proverbs 16: 3 admonishes about fools speaking rather than listening.
@@rokkinjohann yup and then there are the trolls that speak because they want to say something, talking over the people that speak because they have something to say.
This test was a good representation of how a good competent hunter's shooting ability. In good conditions they would be able to take an elk at 600 yards. But it shows with more challenging conditions and smaller game, the maximum ethical range comes way down. Piet from "Impact Shooting" with a precision rifle that he hunts with regularly on his channel would be my nomination to hit near 100% in a similar challenge.
I really, really liked this video. It was fun to see some old and new faces. Jim I was hoping to see you join in. Love to see Joseph and Ron join you. Maybe even Brad from your original Backfire. Having someone besides the shooter put together the course and the additional rules makes this competition more realistic. This really helps identify what are ethical hunting ranges. Every hunter should know what his limitations are. I know I don’t feel comfortable past 400 yards with favorable conditions. Thanks for sharing. Tate your practice in the wind paid off. Hope to see you out and about again.
Best bet at near 100% hit rate would be someone who places in the top few shooters of national level NRL Hunter matches. Either that or Pieter Malan from the Impact Shooting channel since he actually does (a lot) of long range hunting and is a professional long range shooter. Though if Piet did this he might call out how stupid it is to do "no bag" stages, given that serious precision hunters are all carrying some form of lightweight rear bag like a Pint-Size Gamechanger with git-lite fill.
This is such a great show! I enjoy realizing I am not alone looking over the scope after the shot. A Real sharp shooter friend had to remind me many times not to raise up!! I love these shows and the fun you all have. I think its what our sport is about an is too often forgotten by some. Thanks guys!
This is a very realistic challenge hunters face while out in the wilderness in their pursuit of harvesting game for the table or trophy hunting. Well done Jimmy, I hope that this type of hunting challenge grows bigger and better in the future.
Nice work! This is an awesome example of why hunters not only need to get time on the range, but practice field shooting techniques and positions. Well done Jim, a great example of how real life hunting situations are not exactly the same as shooting paper and steel at the range. For me this highlights that even experienced shooters who are getting more than enough rounds downrange each year, (and at game), should be really considering just how stable their shooting position is, and how much wind is in play when they are attempting to take shots at small to medium size game at distances greater than 300yds when in a hunting situation. It probably also highlights the importance for new hunters / shooters or anyone not getting at least a hundred rounds each year on the range with validated velocity and trajectory data for their given hunting load, to limit the distances they are prepared to take shots at. If you can't hit an 8 x 8 inch target 100% of the time at 200 yds with a steady rest at the range, in all conditions, then you should seriously be considering if you are prepared to shoot past 200 yds in the field. Once you get out to 300 yds and beyond, especially if you are shooting a standard velocity hunting cartridge like a 308, 30-06 or 223 etc, with standard lead hunting bullets that do not have a high BC, then misreading the wind by even 5mph can cause you to miss the vital zone on a small to medium size animal. For example, a 308 shooting a 130gr Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps (which isn't super slow) is getting approx. 9 inches of wind drift with a 10 mph full value wind at 300m/ 330yds. It is not difficult when shooting across a valley from a sheltered position to assume a 5mph wind when it could be 10 mph through the valley. This means that the margin for error / hit probability with a 1 moa hunting load has increased from 3 inches to 7-8 inches if you misread the wind. Yep, I know a lot of people are going to read this and right about now be thinking that 7-8 inches sounds like an extremely exaggerated figure that you could potentially miss by at 300m.......but the fact is a 1 moa hunting load which is pretty standard accuracy if you are shooting a factory gun with factory ammo in the field, has a 3 inch margin for error, plus the 4-5 inch margin for error on the wind call depending on the bullet BC and velocity. And this is at only 300m/330yds.....of course you can half this with the correct calibre choice!... But if we are talking about the average hunter then there will be a bucket load of hunters with standard moderate velocity calibres like 30-06 and 308 using factory hunting ammo that would make Jims challenge even harder again!
Thanks so much for producing the best shooting videos. This was a real-world challenge and showed how had it is to connect at long range. Again thanks so much for the quality and topics of your program.
Jim, with you and Erik holding these challenges, I believe you both are doing a great service to the hunting industry -Thanks! Your showing us, many of us are not as good as we think we are. But arrogance, as the Marine showed, didn't really seem to change his attitude. The book of Proverbs talks about the folly of fools. Which many of times I have sollowed that pill. Good job, keep it up, man!
Correct me if im wrong, but a 1MOA rifle can only keep a 6 inch circle at 600 yards, assuming the shooter does their job perfectly. Not counting chamber heating of the catridge. So for milk jugs at 500 yards is already pushing the ability of the rifle and ammunition itself, over the average.
I'm gonna go so far as to say virtually no one can ethically hunt at 600 yards (i.e., = putting ~99% of cold bore shots in a 8" circle in hunting conditions).
Not to mention, most '1 moa rifles' actually shoot 1.5+ moa over 100 shots. Throw in factory ammo was an ES of 75+ and 600 yards is statistically improbable
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have shot a sub-moa 100 yard group with. I’ve been hunting for 20 years and I still wouldn’t shoot anything beyond 250-300. I can get closer and if I can’t I don’t deserve the kill. My buddy did long gun stuff in the military and we shoot distance for fun but not for meat. We have taken longer shots on predators though.
Jim, thanks to you and the guys for making this video and the other challenge videos. It brings to bear how many factors there are to consider in hunting game at long distance. Personal marksmanship skills, equipment limitations, environmental conditions, and so much more must be taken into consideration. Erik Cortina made a statement on his video on choosing his rifle for the challenge. He said he believes a person should be proficient in shooting twice the distance that they’re hunting game at. I believe that to be very practical advice. Keep the videos coming 👍🏼
I have yet to meet a Marine that can do ANYTHING as good as they say they are at doing 😂😂😂😂 All respect and thankful for their service. But with that being said, there are claims of greatness and there is reality…. 😂😂😂
This really shows the truth for what is a realistic distance to shoot when hunting. Great job Jim. OK I shoot all the time but our range is just 100 yards. That puts me at 200 with all the variables if I want to be truthful.
I love this! Definitely continue making these videos with fans and pros! AWSOME! Would’ve liked to know the all the shooters set ups ammo and scope and rifle wise..
I think Rachelle, Easton, and Aram Von Benedikt should come on and try it since they all clearly believe they could execute that kind of shot at the same deer.
This is an eye opening drill. Watching most youtube videos, it makes all shooters look like pro snipers. I'm a decent shot (not a sniper) and this brings things into reality.
Military snipers aren't as accurate as you might think they are. I'm not saying they aren't good shots! Hunters and snipers have different goals. We hunter want a clean fast kill, snipers just need to take the guy out of the fight. If a sniper hits a bad guy in the leg, or arm, or in the belly button that guy has been taken out of the fight. If a hunter does that it's a complete failure.
A helpful takeaway for me here is that I’m a better shot than I thought I was. I’m not claiming I could do well on the challenge, but these types of UA-camrs aren’t as good as I assumed they were.
Good for you, Jim! Finally a realistic video of real hunting conditions. Yes most of us can hit at 600 yards from a bencher prone all the time but when you’re in an unsteady hunting position and you have to get up above the grass and you’re sitting or kneeling it’s a whole different ball game. Thank you, Jim.
The hillside shooting exercise is the norm for sheep hunters and Elk hunters around here. The longrange hunters that I know cannot shoot from postions at 100 & 200 yards at our range. Hey, prone shooting is without any shooting aids, so is offhand. Old timer here, former Guide as well. I've dude hunter/ clients miss the vitals on a Moose at short range. This is a realistic exercise, and offers a example of what a hunter experiences .
Yes backfire should now do a before and after class on how to get your self prepared for the shot, how to use the range finder and how to judge the wind. Even Eric Cortina can miss in these conditions.
I appreciate that Jim. I think you read my script. Your video really humbles your audience when most media tries to convince people that it easy with this awesome gun or this long range ammunition. I shoot a lot with my job and on my personal time. I can tell you for a fact that I have seen guys come to a course that have shot for a long time, been hunting all their life, or military background miss a lot before they get some coaching. Second fact is there are so many elements that factor in on a shot in the wild. At the range you can eliminate of these factors but not experience. So ETHICAL hunting for the average hunter should definitely be within 300 yds. Anything more should be for good shooters that know what they are doing and can cope with all the factors in collective manner and time frame. Even when you all did the rock chuck challenge, you guys had a lot of misses. Good video!
I have done this challenge with some friends several times in the last few years. We shoot from several different positions and scenarios. I can tell you I shoot a lot and precision handload with confidence and I have no business shooting game further than 300 yards in a perfect scenario!! We shoot regularly to800 yards from a bench but hunting is a different world. I don’t have any grades or slopes to shoot from where I live so that would definitely be an awesome scenario to train on. I think these guys did great. I will say I am much more efficient with the 6.8 Western than any of my other large caliber rifles. It’s a very accurate and easy round to shoot. Great video!!
Great video! I would say this proves that most of us shouldn’t be taking long shots at animals. We and our families aren’t going hungry if we don’t make a kill. By not taking a risky shot you might get a better shot at the same or a different animal and even if you don’t, you get to keep hunting! Keep up the great work!
So I hunt a lot and do hunting style competitions. Assuming a modern Center fire bottle neck case and a standard factory hunting rifle. The top 10 competitions achieve…
I really appreciate what Miles from Hornady said in one of the group sizing videos, that if you do what they are suggesting, you'll learn your rifle is not a 1/4 minute gun and that you should stop taking 700 yard shot. I think that comment was gold! Thanks Miles
Man. This big rifle shooting game is tougher than it looks even at moderate distance. You may go through a lot of caliber, scope and rifle combinations before you find the one that fits you. I found mine to be pretty basic. Now lot's of practice is in order.
Best part about you is that you are real. No crazy fish stories or anything like that, you just tell it like it is and all the experts out there get to see what reality looks like. And I don't think the Dentist is fair....those guys have some of the steadiest hands in the world 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you hit it out of the ball park on this one,with that said for all this hunters out west that say 3006 is the must wounded animal in the pacific i just wonder how many elk mule deer have been wounded with 300wm or the rest of the magnums,but the love for this sport is super amond all of us.
Nice video. Keep em coming. The steep hillside would be a pass for me in hunting situations. Had to loose a chance on a 386 inch bull elk once due to similar situation. Couldn't find a stable shooting area with visibility. Also have had to pass on 170 inch mule deer due to wind and 400 yards. I was so steady and knew the rifle but didn't feel comfortable in the wind. I have also felt confident in my shot and missed. Just love the videos. Only thing better for practice on big game than milk jugs and steel is coyotes, rabbits, and rock chucks around here.
IN THE END, Montana Fish and Game did a study a few years back, on wounding loss in big game hunting. It was found that for every 100 animals harvested another 15 to 30 were lost to wounding……. Gentlemen act accordingly, Hunting is a privilege not a right, we must act responsibly, respectfully and morally if we are keep Hunting in the future…. Please no shooting at big game past your ability which for most people probably ends at 400 to 500 yards……..
I wish i lived close to yall to come one try the 1moa challenge and 2 this challenge for one to meet and tell ya in person how much i appreciate the content and 2 see how i hang awesome video series keep em coming
I’d love to see you shoot a water jug 10 times at 150ish yards standing. Make a vid since you are so confident to tell the world. I do agree though. I try to keep everything as close as possible and I would never shoot a bullet and hope it hits.
Great challenge... Still amazed that all these shooters have a 50% hit rate and still say I'd shoot out to 600. Guess 50% of the time they don't mind wounding game. Can't wait to see who's up next.
Jake said his limit is 250-300 yards. That’s a pretty honest assessment. Twinkie is leaving like Mike the marine, and still thinking he’s better then he is.
In perfect conditions, yes. This was far from perfect conditions, bordering on unrealistic. They were not allowed a bag, put in bad shot situations like on the side of shale hill where no hunter would even be moving from A-B, and it was very windy. If your not winded, have a good rest, low wind, and a rifle in a decent chambering then 600 is not unrealistic at all.
@Nick-sx6jm These are exactly the conditions one could expect on a hunt. I don't know what kind of hunting you've been doing but there's no such thing as perfect conditions. Oh I guess if your taking game on high fence, from a side x side, with all your prs gear, with someone calling corrections, you might think that's hunting. Lol... What Jim did here was perfect hunting situations and everyone wounded 50% of the time....
@@kevinmckenna8948 I disagree. If you often find yourself out in the open on the side of a shale cliff out of breath without even having the proper equipment like a bag, some kind of bipod or rest, and a 6.5 creed then your probably not a very good hunter. There are lots of situations where you could be on a old logging road or find a good flat spot to glass and have pretty ideal conditions to stretch things out. Even so, It all depends on the conditions. They all said that 200-300 is max with poor conditions and would only go farther if things were ideal.
@Nick-sx6jm So the out of breath part is to simulate the excitement that comes over one in the moment. Pretty realistic to me. Again if you can't make a shot 100% of the time at X range you shouldn't be shooting that far at our game animals. Everyone seems to not understand this.... And everyone who shot this challenge can't do it past 200, 250.... But it's the big fad now so our game animals will suffer...
Glad to hear you say something about staying in the scope or on the rifle. I see so many shooters do this and it makes a big difference IMO when you stay in the scope.
When you shoot uphill or down hill, the trajectory is based on the horizontal distance to the target, not the straight line distance. You tend to miss high. Jug was the perfect reactive target for this challenge. Thanks for sharing.
Possibly the best, most useful video of Backfire's I've watched yet. Not that I'll be shooting rifles scoped like these in conditions like this - not at my age. But what does pure range shooting get us other than getting the rifles dialed in and ready to go? Hunting conditions are what many of us are training for, after all. Great video!
That was an awesome video! Real world challenges, real world results...i have learned to sneak in closer, so my success rate is better. And i believe that I am demonstrating more respect for my prey
This challenge is really fun to watch, and I'm going to take a day this summer and run myself through my own challenge. More than anything though, this is intended to make you fail and give the appearance that no one should shoot at game at 400 yards or more. If I can get a good range and find a steady shooting position with mild wind conditions, 600 yards is a chip shot. In a lot of these challenges, I just would not shoot. It doesn't give you the option to move to an advantages position or wait for the animal to feed out of the hole it's in. The fact that you have to shoot or it counts as a miss is a bit unfair I think. Those that hate can't and Jim's really attracted all the haters to this channel.
I feel like the only way to do this, with firing that many rounds in a row, would have to be a heavy barrel. The sporter barrels will heat up too fast and change your impact after 5 shots. But it is easier, walking it out from close range to long, knowing the wind adjustments. You need to make them shoot the 600 yds as first shot, which will be hunting situation. So they don't have a better idea on the wind.
With my medical conditions with nerve damage and muscles and joint I would not be able to do burpees lol. but I can shoot. I have my own shooting range I have Targets out to 1560 yards and was shooting gophers between 400 and 1000 and that was a 20% hit ratio
I love this challenge. There is no such thing as 100% in hunting, no matter the distance. That is part of the excitement of hunting. The ability to focus on nothing else but that one shot, at that one moment, to either get your food, or go hungry. That is what makes hunting great. The primal connection of either making the rock connect with your prey, or missing entirely. I can’t wait to see what Eric can do with this challenge. That man is a machine. He takes shooting to another level, well beyond what most humans can do. It’s the difference between those gifted with a 100 mph fastball (in baseball), and the rest of us. Very few people are gifted like that, yet I still believe he won’t get 100%. Just too many variables when you increase the shot number. Everyone misses eventually. I don’t know any NBA player that has 100% freethrow numbers, and that’s known distance, practiced over and over again.
Hats off to all the guys who had the guts to put themselves out there for the challenge. Just the same as any man, I'll bet each of them thought they would win. Huh, we all think we can win anything. I reckon it would be great to see a couple PRS champs take on the challenge. I think they would do very much better due to their proficiency at building good positions & excellent rifleman skills. I think for the majority of us though, a lot less talking about some 600+ yard hit &, a lot more practice & focus on what we can genuinely achieve.
Here are the 2 issues I take with this challenge: 1) Ranging - in real world scenarios, you don’t have a floating jug you’re trying to range. You have an entire animals body. As mentioned in the videos, this has clearly presented a challenge for the shooters. If there’s too small an area for the animal to range (due to terrain, brush, etc), an ethical hunter would wait or move for a better opportunity, position, etc to gather a correct range. 2) Making stats based on shots that wouldn’t have been attempted in a real life scenario - What I mean by that is: hunters should mentally have ranges they are comfortable with based on the position, time constraints, environmental factors, etc that they are presented. For example: a hunter may feel completely comfortable taking a 600yd shot with sub 5mph full-value wind from a prone position. The same hunter may not be comfortable should the same shot be presented, but instead, there were factors that required them to be kneeling. I think before each stage, the shooter should be asked if this is a shot they would attempt. If the answer is ‘no’, I’d be very interested in their reasoning and what they would require to feel confident in taking a shot at that distance (different wind angle/speed, different position, more target real estate to gather a correct range, etc). Then, if feasible, let them attempt the shot they’d be comfortable with. If not feasible (they require less wind, etc), have them take the shot anyway for fun, but don't count it in the stats. If the shooter claims they wouldn’t take any of the shots, well… they shouldn’t be there in the first place. Ultimately, I understand the concept of the challenge. However, I think it’s equally important to understand that ethical hunters will pass many shots on game due to a multitude of factors. I think it would be fascinating to understand what the shooters' weight in making their decision and exponentially more beneficial to viewers who are unsure of their own maximum range based on the above mentioned factors of a shot. Let those folks get into the mind of the shooter. Many don't know what to factor and are part of the problem of slinging lead at animals from ranges they have no business shooting. I appreciate your efforts in instilling realism to those on the couch, thinking their max range is 600+ in any and all conditions, without an iota of experience. Last thing, keep your face on the gun folks! Too many gents slapping the trigger and pulling off under recoil.
I agree with your last point. there’s a lot of not following through the shot. Ego makes a poor shooter. Knowledge makes a decent shooter. Basic fundamentals make a good shooter, and humility makes a great shooter.
I really like the practicality of these tests. I have been trying to preach this to friends of mine to stop bench shooting all the time and practice shooting without relying on being on a bench. Try shooting off your pack or bi-pod and even off hand.
Shows are great! What's better, as always.... Backfires Smiles For Miles! You, your family, your friends, all just seems legit in that you are all good people, keep it up.
I think what this challenge really highlights is the importance of shooting position and rest. Even if it takes a little more time and effort, where you shoot from is sooo important
I wish people understood that this in no way represents ones ability to hunt. Being an ethical long range hunter has way more to do with knowing when NOT to rake the shot.
Mike, the marine did not even complete the assigned task. He is a no go at this station. Is also a perfect example of somebody that is so full of their own hubris they can’t even pick the proper equipment to do the job much less possess the skill set needed to compete
@@NelsonZAPTM I’m not sure if you’re being serious about what I said being fighting words or just having a little fun with me. In all seriousness though, what I said was just simply painfully obvious and out in the open for everyone else to observe also. Either way that ok, I stand behind them. If Jim would have me on his channel to attempt the challenge, I would be more than happy to accept. Do I think I would do better than the first challenge? Absolutely.
I want to start of by saying props to all of these shooters for being brave enough to come out and shoot this challenge knowing its going to be very widely viewed no matter how well or poor they do. One thing I think would help a ton for each of these guys especially shooting in awkward positions is a level of some sort on their rifles/scopes. I would not be surprised if a fair number of these misses were due to canted rifles.
Love these series! Please keep doing them. I believe it’s so important to show the hunting world how hard some of these shots are and to bring the ethical hunting range back in to a more realistic range.
Why do so many shooters come off the scope immediately after pulling the trigger? Do they think they can see better with their naked eye than with a high powered scope? Why even use a scope then? Stay on the rifle. Makes following your shots a lot easier. If you can’t see your shot, zoom out.
Because most rifles move off the point of impact due to recoil and the greater the magnification (= smaller FOV) the worse it gets. Still must not do it. It's a terrible habit and almost always results in decreased performance.
@@salninethousand2496 that is why recoil management and using the appropriate magnification (higher/more doesn’t always equal better) is so important. Much easier to get back on POA/POI if you stay on the rifle and in the scope than coming off trying to see where or if you hit your target with your naked eye. Especially if that target is a milk jug at 500 yards. Happy shooting
Iooking for the bullet trace lol. Imo they're not used to shooting at that distance, probably using the whole 25x (or whatever their max mag is) magnificacion. Shooting a magnum cartridge or even a mid cartridge in a light weight rifle I would probably use all magnificacion to look at the target but dial back down to 10-12x for the shot. Much better chance of seeing splash in a miss, or watch the animal's reaction to the hit.
This is why there should be laws against how far hunters should be aloud to shoot at game . so many animals get wounded and die missable deaths because of people’s egos . Great video . This shows the reality
Yeah I have feeling this is gonna be a really popular challenge going forward.
Probably end up on par with the Blackjack Challenge
there are multiple youtubers already trying this Backfire Challenge. It's actually an interesting challenge to see. Portrays a hunting-type scenario, average hunting rifle performance, average hunter/shooter performance, etc. instead of Comp. Rifles and Shooters.
@@TheOrangeKou It would be great as a match format
This and texas plinking challenge is probably the best
Love these real world challenges. The guy that estimated his effective range at 2 to 300 yds is a hunter that understands his abilities.
Effective range would be shooting a man sized target and not a gallon jug head shot
Not just his abilities, but the rifle as well. Your typical hunting rifle with factory ammunition shoots what 1.5-2 MOA? The vital zone on a deer is about 2 MOA at 300 yards. Even if you do literally everything right, your rifle may not have enough mechanical accuracy to reliably make shots past 300 yards and if you can’t do that it’s extremely unethical to take that shot.
@@Leonarco333 2 moa at 300 yards is the same as 2 moa at 100 yards lol.
@@jason200912 as far as angle, yes. An animal’s lungs always stay the same size though. At 200 yds, a 2 MOA circle will easily fit inside the vital area. At 300, the circle and vital area are about the same size, and at 400, the circle is larger than the vital box meaning your chances of an ethical kill drop dramatically.
@@jason200912 or are you saying shot dispersement is the same? Because it isn’t. 2moa is a 2” circle at 100 yds and a 6” circle at 300.
This is a really thought provoking, cautionary video for all those long distance heroes out there.
Cautionary?! I can hit those targets over my shoulder with a mirror, Annie Oakley style, all day. Clap shots. 😂
But that's exactly who this isn't gonna reach. Either they won't watch the video because "they're noobs"/"it's a waste of time"/"they suck" or they'll armchair quarterback and nitpick every detail from their ODA team 6 club house as for why these guys couldn't get it done.
When hunting, don't be afraid to not take a shot.
Get closer, get comfortable, wait for the wind to drop off, or whatever you need to do to make a clean kill.
A miss is a miss, but a wounded animal is suffering.
Hunt ethically at any distance.
Absolutely. Typical hunting rifles are 1.5 to 2 MOA rifles with GOOD factory ammunition. So past 300 yards if your zero is perfect, your trigger pull is perfect, you’re steady, you do every single thing right, you are still not guaranteed an ethical kill and should not take the shot because it is beyond mechanical capabilities of the rifle, let alone the shooter.
@@Leonarco333u must use really wore out rifles. Most rifles are moa or better. The average modern rifle will out shoot the average shooter
@@jayphillips6513 they really aren’t. Not unless they are in a chassis or the stock is bedded and you’re using match ammo. If you get a cheap bolt gun off the rack that consistently shoots sub minute, keep it because it’s fairly rare.
As an avid hunter and competitive shooter (metallic silhouette), I can state that THIS is exactly the kind of "practice" that produces results. Every time you shoot this way, you learn something and can take notes for reference the next time. That's assuming you're using the same gun/ammo combination the next time... but just get out there and do this, folks!
Almost no shooters are good enough marksmen to be concerned about accuracy and ballistic efficiency at 500 yards. They (we) need to work on the marksmanship skills to hit reliably at 300 and then we can start to think about longer ranges. Twinkie was spot on when he estimated his maximum range in the debrief.
Jim, are we going to see you shoot the challenge? Maybe invite Ron Spomer?
Such a great idea with Ron!! I would absolutly love
I would actually say the opposite. Almost any person, even with zero experience, can walk on to hits with a spotter at up to ~1k yards. It’s frankly not hard on a flat range. But, even very experienced shooters often can’t do a first round cold bore shot in unfamiliar conditions with a sentient target.
@beavismagnum except walking your shots onto target is wrong on so many levels when hunting.
@@beavismagnum thats absolutely true on the walking part. but what i will say is the very good shooter is walking hits in inches left right, not feet at 1k. there jst arent a lot of really good shooters around. a lot of people waaaay overestimate their skill and gear. I know a few experienced shooters that frankly never cared to become better shooters. Thats why i use the word good, not experienced 🙂
We want to see ron!
So glad you’re doing this! I’m very tired of all the forum elk snipers claiming they’re comfortable taking game 600+ yds. They’re reckless and irresponsible. Even if you’re very skilled which most of the blowhards in the forums probably are; off these hasty supports with unknown ranges and making wind calls, add in time constraint and targets that move; MOST hunters can’t get their real-world hit percentage above 75% at 500+. And that’s not acceptable for game. Don’t give me “oh, the misses were probably hits on game”. Nope. And let’s be real, these guys here are average - maybe above average shooters and their FOUR HUNDRED yard hit percentages aren't above 60%! Some only 40%! Again, unacceptable for taking game. Not saying 400+ shots are irresponsible, but get your skills where they need to be. I know many of those wannabe-sniper hunters have successfully taken deer and elk at 500 plus. I’ve heard of guys doing it at 900. But there’s measure of luck and reporting bias; we don't hear about the misses. Also: the friggin animal can move on you when you have a 600+yd shot with at best a 0.75 sec TOF.
I bet 98% of guys claiming they routinely take game at 600 would have these exact same results if put to a test like this.
If you actually hunt with someone who hunts at long range, they set up a spotter and just start blasting until they get a good hit
Get out there then
@@beavismagnum I've never seen a ulr shooter where they go blasting until they get a good hit. 3-5 shots max. Otherwise they aren't a true long range shooter.
@@theblockyrocker9060so you’re ok with taking 5 shots to get a hit on a game animal?
@beavismagnum most people I know that actually hunt long range can get these 1 round hits. The amount of practice, ammunition they reload, and the equipment they carry supports such skill. The real problem is social media will make people believe that anyone can do this without proper equipment and skill and lets be honest, there isn't a lot of ranges that truly allow shooters to get proficient enough to make these shots.
What also baffles me is the number of people that will rag on long-range hunters, but those same people will not hold "close ranfe" hunters accountable that scuff shots. You know that guy that goes to the range every year, shoots 3-5 times then turns around and thinks he can 100% the time take an animal at 0-300 yards. I have seen/heard more animals wounded to these hunters vs. long-range hunters.
I love these rubber-meets-road videos. guntube is so edited it gives everyone a false sense of confidence.
Great challenge. This is humble pie for a lot of guys.
Elegant initiative to bring a bit more of ethics into hunting! Doing this with high entertainment value is a very nice move. Of course many in the comment sections would have scored a lot better... with cameras in their faces in a new environment.
Good lessons!!!
Thank you for the reality check!!! 500 yards + cannot be the new norm.
I cut my teeth on LD shooting over 25yrs ago. Not that I do much of it, but recognizing that a 6" gong at 400yds with a subMOA rifle is a bit of a challenge(concrete table, sandbags, etc). Going longer without such niceties takes dedication to practice, experiment, and build familiarity with discomforting positions. I'm very good off a bench to 300+, 400 is fun n challenging for steel. Don't ever ask me to go at game 500+. You'd be taunting me with foolishness, and Proverbs 16: 3 admonishes about fools speaking rather than listening.
@@rokkinjohann yup and then there are the trolls that speak because they want to say something, talking over the people that speak because they have something to say.
This is a cool and entertaining concept. Perpetual videos with countless guests.
Awesome.👍
This test was a good representation of how a good competent hunter's shooting ability. In good conditions they would be able to take an elk at 600 yards. But it shows with more challenging conditions and smaller game, the maximum ethical range comes way down. Piet from "Impact Shooting" with a precision rifle that he hunts with regularly on his channel would be my nomination to hit near 100% in a similar challenge.
The targets were deer sized vitals, not elk sized. What do you think happens to lung tissue when 1000 ft. lbs. of energy misses it by 3 inches?
Just close the dang distance. The elk won't go anywhere far
I really, really liked this video. It was fun to see some old and new faces. Jim I was hoping to see you join in. Love to see Joseph and Ron join you. Maybe even Brad from your original Backfire. Having someone besides the shooter put together the course and the additional rules makes this competition more realistic. This really helps identify what are ethical hunting ranges. Every hunter should know what his limitations are. I know I don’t feel comfortable past 400 yards with favorable conditions. Thanks for sharing.
Tate your practice in the wind paid off. Hope to see you out and about again.
Jim I just love this series. It’s very realistic and there is a lot of information that can be taken out into the field
I can’t wait to see Erik Cortina slay this course! It would also be cool to get a current Tier 1 military sniper to run it.
Best bet at near 100% hit rate would be someone who places in the top few shooters of national level NRL Hunter matches. Either that or Pieter Malan from the Impact Shooting channel since he actually does (a lot) of long range hunting and is a professional long range shooter. Though if Piet did this he might call out how stupid it is to do "no bag" stages, given that serious precision hunters are all carrying some form of lightweight rear bag like a Pint-Size Gamechanger with git-lite fill.
@@jimothy-johnsonhim and the guys from the mdt channel were my original suggestion.
Jim, that is great content showing often shooting is not as easy as we think!
This is such a great show! I enjoy realizing I am not alone looking over the scope after the shot. A Real sharp shooter friend had to remind me many times not to raise up!! I love these shows and the fun you all have. I think its what our sport is about an is too often forgotten by some. Thanks guys!
This is a very realistic challenge hunters face while out in the wilderness in their pursuit of harvesting game for the table or trophy hunting. Well done Jimmy, I hope that this type of hunting challenge grows bigger and better in the future.
Nice work! This is an awesome example of why hunters not only need to get time on the range, but practice field shooting techniques and positions. Well done Jim, a great example of how real life hunting situations are not exactly the same as shooting paper and steel at the range. For me this highlights that even experienced shooters who are getting more than enough rounds downrange each year, (and at game), should be really considering just how stable their shooting position is, and how much wind is in play when they are attempting to take shots at small to medium size game at distances greater than 300yds when in a hunting situation. It probably also highlights the importance for new hunters / shooters or anyone not getting at least a hundred rounds each year on the range with validated velocity and trajectory data for their given hunting load, to limit the distances they are prepared to take shots at. If you can't hit an 8 x 8 inch target 100% of the time at 200 yds with a steady rest at the range, in all conditions, then you should seriously be considering if you are prepared to shoot past 200 yds in the field. Once you get out to 300 yds and beyond, especially if you are shooting a standard velocity hunting cartridge like a 308, 30-06 or 223 etc, with standard lead hunting bullets that do not have a high BC, then misreading the wind by even 5mph can cause you to miss the vital zone on a small to medium size animal. For example, a 308 shooting a 130gr Barnes TTSX at 2900 fps (which isn't super slow) is getting approx. 9 inches of wind drift with a 10 mph full value wind at 300m/ 330yds. It is not difficult when shooting across a valley from a sheltered position to assume a 5mph wind when it could be 10 mph through the valley. This means that the margin for error / hit probability with a 1 moa hunting load has increased from 3 inches to 7-8 inches if you misread the wind. Yep, I know a lot of people are going to read this and right about now be thinking that 7-8 inches sounds like an extremely exaggerated figure that you could potentially miss by at 300m.......but the fact is a 1 moa hunting load which is pretty standard accuracy if you are shooting a factory gun with factory ammo in the field, has a 3 inch margin for error, plus the 4-5 inch margin for error on the wind call depending on the bullet BC and velocity. And this is at only 300m/330yds.....of course you can half this with the correct calibre choice!... But if we are talking about the average hunter then there will be a bucket load of hunters with standard moderate velocity calibres like 30-06 and 308 using factory hunting ammo that would make Jims challenge even harder again!
Thanks so much for producing the best shooting videos. This was a real-world challenge and showed how had it is to connect at long range. Again thanks so much for the quality and topics of your program.
While Mike did not cover himself in glory, Commenters should compete in this challenge before criticizing.
We're not the ones claiming ridiculous abilities off the back of our military service and shaming an entire branch.
I am really enjoying this series! Keep it coming. Thanks Jim!
Jim, with you and Erik holding these challenges, I believe you both are doing a great service to the hunting industry -Thanks!
Your showing us, many of us are not as good as we think we are.
But arrogance, as the Marine showed, didn't really seem to change his attitude. The book of Proverbs talks about the folly of fools. Which many of times I have sollowed that pill.
Good job, keep it up, man!
Correct me if im wrong, but a 1MOA rifle can only keep a 6 inch circle at 600 yards, assuming the shooter does their job perfectly. Not counting chamber heating of the catridge.
So for milk jugs at 500 yards is already pushing the ability of the rifle and ammunition itself, over the average.
I'm gonna go so far as to say virtually no one can ethically hunt at 600 yards (i.e., = putting ~99% of cold bore shots in a 8" circle in hunting conditions).
Not to mention, most '1 moa rifles' actually shoot 1.5+ moa over 100 shots. Throw in factory ammo was an ES of 75+ and 600 yards is statistically improbable
I have a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have shot a sub-moa 100 yard group with. I’ve been hunting for 20 years and I still wouldn’t shoot anything beyond 250-300. I can get closer and if I can’t I don’t deserve the kill. My buddy did long gun stuff in the military and we shoot distance for fun but not for meat. We have taken longer shots on predators though.
You're absolutely right. A lot of people are outright delusional about both the mechanical accuracy of their rifles and their marksmanship ability.
Jim, thanks to you and the guys for making this video and the other challenge videos. It brings to bear how many factors there are to consider in hunting game at long distance. Personal marksmanship skills, equipment limitations, environmental conditions, and so much more must be taken into consideration.
Erik Cortina made a statement on his video on choosing his rifle for the challenge. He said he believes a person should be proficient in shooting twice the distance that they’re hunting game at. I believe that to be very practical advice. Keep the videos coming 👍🏼
I have yet to meet a Marine that can shoot as good as they claim.
Same
I have yet to meet a Marine that can do ANYTHING as good as they say they are at doing 😂😂😂😂
All respect and thankful for their service. But with that being said, there are claims of greatness and there is reality…. 😂😂😂
😂😂💯💯
I met one who bragged he could eat 8 boxes of crayons and I watched him down 12 boxes!
Combat accuracy isn't the same as precision shooting.
This really shows the truth for what is a realistic distance to shoot when hunting. Great job Jim. OK I shoot all the time but our range is just 100 yards. That puts me at 200 with all the variables if I want to be truthful.
I love this! Definitely continue making these videos with fans and pros! AWSOME! Would’ve liked to know the all the shooters set ups ammo and scope and rifle wise..
I think Rachelle, Easton, and Aram Von Benedikt should come on and try it since they all clearly believe they could execute that kind of shot at the same deer.
This is an eye opening drill. Watching most youtube videos, it makes all shooters look like pro snipers. I'm a decent shot (not a sniper) and this brings things into reality.
Military snipers aren't as accurate as you might think they are. I'm not saying they aren't good shots! Hunters and snipers have different goals. We hunter want a clean fast kill, snipers just need to take the guy out of the fight. If a sniper hits a bad guy in the leg, or arm, or in the belly button that guy has been taken out of the fight. If a hunter does that it's a complete failure.
@@jackbuendgen389 Copy. When I say sniper, I meant it as a "marksman". Even the "grim reaper" sniper mentioned most shots were well under 200 yards.
A helpful takeaway for me here is that I’m a better shot than I thought I was. I’m not claiming I could do well on the challenge, but these types of UA-camrs aren’t as good as I assumed they were.
@@LFDNC SAME!
Good for you, Jim! Finally a realistic video of real hunting conditions. Yes most of us can hit at 600 yards from a bencher prone all the time but when you’re in an unsteady hunting position and you have to get up above the grass and you’re sitting or kneeling it’s a whole different ball game. Thank you, Jim.
Great episode! Can’t wait for episode 3.
I really like the real world scenarios, thank you for doing these.
The hillside shooting exercise is the norm for sheep hunters and Elk hunters around here.
The longrange hunters that I know cannot shoot from postions at 100 & 200 yards at our range.
Hey, prone shooting is without any shooting aids, so is offhand.
Old timer here, former Guide as well. I've dude hunter/ clients miss the vitals on a Moose at short range.
This is a realistic exercise, and offers a example of what a hunter experiences .
When Jim uses his back as a rifle rest .... Backfire takes on the literal meaning😂
The amount of people that do not know how to use a rear bag and basic fundamentals of precision shooting is crazy.
I know right! A good rear squeeze bag is like $40-$50 and is an incredible investment!
Are the rules that you cant use a rear bag? I also don’t understand if they are too cocky to use one or if the rules dont allow
He states, "no sandbags" during the video.....because it wouldn't reflect a realistic hunting situation.
Yes backfire should now do a before and after class on how to get your self prepared for the shot, how to use the range finder and how to judge the wind. Even Eric Cortina can miss in these conditions.
Jim said they couldn’t use rear bag in stage 2. Which I don’t agree with
I appreciate that Jim. I think you read my script. Your video really humbles your audience when most media tries to convince people that it easy with this awesome gun or this long range ammunition. I shoot a lot with my job and on my personal time. I can tell you for a fact that I have seen guys come to a course that have shot for a long time, been hunting all their life, or military background miss a lot before they get some coaching. Second fact is there are so many elements that factor in on a shot in the wild. At the range you can eliminate of these factors but not experience. So ETHICAL hunting for the average hunter should definitely be within 300 yds. Anything more should be for good shooters that know what they are doing and can cope with all the factors in collective manner and time frame. Even when you all did the rock chuck challenge, you guys had a lot of misses. Good video!
Great challenge, not easy. I liked seeing 3 shooters at once. Thanks for the tips you gave in each stage. Greetings from Mendoza, Argentina.
I have done this challenge with some friends several times in the last few years. We shoot from several different positions and scenarios. I can tell you I shoot a lot and precision handload with confidence and I have no business shooting game further than 300 yards in a perfect scenario!! We shoot regularly to800 yards from a bench but hunting is a different world. I don’t have any grades or slopes to shoot from where I live so that would definitely be an awesome scenario to train on. I think these guys did great. I will say I am much more efficient with the 6.8 Western than any of my other large caliber rifles. It’s a very accurate and easy round to shoot. Great video!!
Extremely entertaining! Keep em coming!
Great video! I would say this proves that most of us shouldn’t be taking long shots at animals. We and our families aren’t going hungry if we don’t make a kill. By not taking a risky shot you might get a better shot at the same or a different animal and even if you don’t, you get to keep hunting! Keep up the great work!
So I hunt a lot and do hunting style competitions.
Assuming a modern Center fire bottle neck case and a standard factory hunting rifle.
The top 10 competitions achieve…
This series is great. Thanks to all who participated. We all benefit and and better ourselves.
I really appreciate what Miles from Hornady said in one of the group sizing videos, that if you do what they are suggesting, you'll learn your rifle is not a 1/4 minute gun and that you should stop taking 700 yard shot.
I think that comment was gold!
Thanks Miles
You need to get the guy from- Mountains, Mullets, Merica.
He is a good dude, definitely
He seems to be a shooter....for sure. He's not a cocky guy, either.
Man. This big rifle shooting game is tougher than it looks even at moderate distance. You may go through a lot of caliber, scope and rifle combinations before you find the one that fits you.
I found mine to be pretty basic. Now lot's of practice is in order.
He puts in the practice for sure. I like his videos.
Agreed
Best part about you is that you are real. No crazy fish stories or anything like that, you just tell it like it is and all the experts out there get to see what reality looks like. And I don't think the Dentist is fair....those guys have some of the steadiest hands in the world 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
you hit it out of the ball park on this one,with that said for all this hunters out west that say 3006 is the must wounded animal in the pacific i just wonder how many elk mule deer have been wounded with 300wm or the rest of the magnums,but the love for this sport is super amond all of us.
Nice video. Keep em coming. The steep hillside would be a pass for me in hunting situations. Had to loose a chance on a 386 inch bull elk once due to similar situation. Couldn't find a stable shooting area with visibility. Also have had to pass on 170 inch mule deer due to wind and 400 yards. I was so steady and knew the rifle but didn't feel comfortable in the wind. I have also felt confident in my shot and missed. Just love the videos. Only thing better for practice on big game than milk jugs and steel is coyotes, rabbits, and rock chucks around here.
Did you run up and measure them, then run back? Probably named them too?😂😂😂 just messing with ya👍
Bester, realischstister Test und Vergleich!!!! Keine Geschichten, selten Ausreden und GROSSE AUGEN, TOLL👍👍👍👍
IN THE END, Montana Fish and Game did a study a few years back, on wounding loss in big game hunting. It was found that for every 100 animals harvested another 15 to 30 were lost to wounding……. Gentlemen act accordingly, Hunting is a privilege not a right, we must act responsibly, respectfully and morally if we are keep Hunting in the future…. Please no shooting at big game past your ability which for most people probably ends at 400 to 500 yards……..
I wish i lived close to yall to come one try the 1moa challenge and 2 this challenge for one to meet and tell ya in person how much i appreciate the content and 2 see how i hang awesome video series keep em coming
Awesome video, again!! Looking forward to Erik and Jim doing it next time 👍
This is why I keep shots below 200 yards typically. If I am free holding I keep it under 150ish.
I’d love to see you shoot a water jug 10 times at 150ish yards standing. Make a vid since you are so confident to tell the world. I do agree though. I try to keep everything as close as possible and I would never shoot a bullet and hope it hits.
@@cowboyjoe3734 didn't say I could be 100%, simple that I keep them in that range.
IMO 150y free hand with no wind at a known distance on flat ground at a deer sized target is a recipe for a wounded deer.
Love this seeing from hindsight mistakes I've made as well. Very educational!
Great challenge... Still amazed that all these shooters have a 50% hit rate and still say I'd shoot out to 600. Guess 50% of the time they don't mind wounding game. Can't wait to see who's up next.
Jake said his limit is 250-300 yards. That’s a pretty honest assessment. Twinkie is leaving like Mike the marine, and still thinking he’s better then he is.
In perfect conditions, yes. This was far from perfect conditions, bordering on unrealistic. They were not allowed a bag, put in bad shot situations like on the side of shale hill where no hunter would even be moving from A-B, and it was very windy. If your not winded, have a good rest, low wind, and a rifle in a decent chambering then 600 is not unrealistic at all.
@Nick-sx6jm These are exactly the conditions one could expect on a hunt. I don't know what kind of hunting you've been doing but there's no such thing as perfect conditions. Oh I guess if your taking game on high fence, from a side x side, with all your prs gear, with someone calling corrections, you might think that's hunting. Lol...
What Jim did here was perfect hunting situations and everyone wounded 50% of the time....
@@kevinmckenna8948 I disagree. If you often find yourself out in the open on the side of a shale cliff out of breath without even having the proper equipment like a bag, some kind of bipod or rest, and a 6.5 creed then your probably not a very good hunter. There are lots of situations where you could be on a old logging road or find a good flat spot to glass and have pretty ideal conditions to stretch things out. Even so, It all depends on the conditions. They all said that 200-300 is max with poor conditions and would only go farther if things were ideal.
@Nick-sx6jm So the out of breath part is to simulate the excitement that comes over one in the moment. Pretty realistic to me. Again if you can't make a shot 100% of the time at X range you shouldn't be shooting that far at our game animals. Everyone seems to not understand this.... And everyone who shot this challenge can't do it past 200, 250.... But it's the big fad now so our game animals will suffer...
Glad to hear you say something about staying in the scope or on the rifle. I see so many shooters do this and it makes a big difference IMO when you stay in the scope.
Proof that stalking is king.
When you shoot uphill or down hill, the trajectory is based on the horizontal distance to the target, not the straight line distance. You tend to miss high. Jug was the perfect reactive target for this challenge. Thanks for sharing.
Anyone can considering the last guys abysmal performance
Really cool of you to include Fan participation in your channel. Makes it Real and fun. Thanks.
I am loving this challenge.
Possibly the best, most useful video of Backfire's I've watched yet. Not that I'll be shooting rifles scoped like these in conditions like this - not at my age. But what does pure range shooting get us other than getting the rifles dialed in and ready to go? Hunting conditions are what many of us are training for, after all. Great video!
Your turn Jim!
That was an awesome video! Real world challenges, real world results...i have learned to sneak in closer, so my success rate is better. And i believe that I am demonstrating more respect for my prey
Mike the Marine did a literal back fire ....shot off his back folks
That's a good one :-)
This challenge is really fun to watch, and I'm going to take a day this summer and run myself through my own challenge. More than anything though, this is intended to make you fail and give the appearance that no one should shoot at game at 400 yards or more. If I can get a good range and find a steady shooting position with mild wind conditions, 600 yards is a chip shot. In a lot of these challenges, I just would not shoot. It doesn't give you the option to move to an advantages position or wait for the animal to feed out of the hole it's in. The fact that you have to shoot or it counts as a miss is a bit unfair I think.
Those that hate can't and Jim's really attracted all the haters to this channel.
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Twinke sure likes to slam that bolt back. What's up with that? Cool factor??
Sure does...annoying factor lol.
Tool factor
It's probably because he's shooting a Savage. They have weak ejection.
I feel like the only way to do this, with firing that many rounds in a row, would have to be a heavy barrel. The sporter barrels will heat up too fast and change your impact after 5 shots. But it is easier, walking it out from close range to long, knowing the wind adjustments. You need to make them shoot the 600 yds as first shot, which will be hunting situation. So they don't have a better idea on the wind.
Burpees? I may have to reconsider. 😂
Ha! You can dooooo it!!!🤣
With my medical conditions with nerve damage and muscles and joint I would not be able to do burpees lol. but I can shoot. I have my own shooting range I have Targets out to 1560 yards and was shooting gophers between 400 and 1000 and that was a 20% hit ratio
I love this challenge. There is no such thing as 100% in hunting, no matter the distance. That is part of the excitement of hunting. The ability to focus on nothing else but that one shot, at that one moment, to either get your food, or go hungry. That is what makes hunting great. The primal connection of either making the rock connect with your prey, or missing entirely. I can’t wait to see what Eric can do with this challenge. That man is a machine. He takes shooting to another level, well beyond what most humans can do. It’s the difference between those gifted with a 100 mph fastball (in baseball), and the rest of us. Very few people are gifted like that, yet I still believe he won’t get 100%. Just too many variables when you increase the shot number. Everyone misses eventually. I don’t know any NBA player that has 100% freethrow numbers, and that’s known distance, practiced over and over again.
It would be cool to see Brady from GOHUNT as a competitor in this challenge
That guide he is an absolute legend at guiding! Tate! I love you bro! One of the best guides and very knowledgeable about hunting!!
This was an excellent video! A must watch for ALL hunters!
Hats off to all the guys who had the guts to put themselves out there for the challenge.
Just the same as any man, I'll bet each of them thought they would win. Huh, we all think we can win anything.
I reckon it would be great to see a couple PRS champs take on the challenge. I think they would do very much better due to their proficiency at building good positions & excellent rifleman skills.
I think for the majority of us though, a lot less talking about some 600+ yard hit &, a lot more practice & focus on what we can genuinely achieve.
I'd love to try this challenge
This is one of my favorite videos I've seen in a while. This was great.
Here are the 2 issues I take with this challenge:
1) Ranging - in real world scenarios, you don’t have a floating jug you’re trying to range. You have an entire animals body. As mentioned in the videos, this has clearly presented a challenge for the shooters. If there’s too small an area for the animal to range (due to terrain, brush, etc), an ethical hunter would wait or move for a better opportunity, position, etc to gather a correct range.
2) Making stats based on shots that wouldn’t have been attempted in a real life scenario - What I mean by that is: hunters should mentally have ranges they are comfortable with based on the position, time constraints, environmental factors, etc that they are presented. For example: a hunter may feel completely comfortable taking a 600yd shot with sub 5mph full-value wind from a prone position. The same hunter may not be comfortable should the same shot be presented, but instead, there were factors that required them to be kneeling. I think before each stage, the shooter should be asked if this is a shot they would attempt. If the answer is ‘no’, I’d be very interested in their reasoning and what they would require to feel confident in taking a shot at that distance (different wind angle/speed, different position, more target real estate to gather a correct range, etc). Then, if feasible, let them attempt the shot they’d be comfortable with. If not feasible (they require less wind, etc), have them take the shot anyway for fun, but don't count it in the stats. If the shooter claims they wouldn’t take any of the shots, well… they shouldn’t be there in the first place.
Ultimately, I understand the concept of the challenge. However, I think it’s equally important to understand that ethical hunters will pass many shots on game due to a multitude of factors. I think it would be fascinating to understand what the shooters' weight in making their decision and exponentially more beneficial to viewers who are unsure of their own maximum range based on the above mentioned factors of a shot. Let those folks get into the mind of the shooter. Many don't know what to factor and are part of the problem of slinging lead at animals from ranges they have no business shooting.
I appreciate your efforts in instilling realism to those on the couch, thinking their max range is 600+ in any and all conditions, without an iota of experience.
Last thing, keep your face on the gun folks! Too many gents slapping the trigger and pulling off under recoil.
I agree with your last point. there’s a lot of not following through the shot. Ego makes a poor shooter. Knowledge makes a decent shooter. Basic fundamentals make a good shooter, and humility makes a great shooter.
I agree.
Good points made.
Loving this series. Thank you 🙏
I love this challenge 😂
I really like the practicality of these tests. I have been trying to preach this to friends of mine to stop bench shooting all the time and practice shooting without relying on being on a bench. Try shooting off your pack or bi-pod and even off hand.
So much gopher head off rifle stocks!
Shows are great! What's better, as always.... Backfires Smiles For Miles! You, your family, your friends, all just seems legit in that you are all good people, keep it up.
I would love to try this myself. I know I couldn't hit them all, but it would be fun.
Nice ... This needs to be a must type challenge for everyone hunting at distance. The animal is the object, and there should be no suffering. Salute
Heads keep popping up like prairie dogs, not improving their accuracy.
I think what this challenge really highlights is the importance of shooting position and rest. Even if it takes a little more time and effort, where you shoot from is sooo important
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Here in Wyoming I have learned to try to negate wind by changing shooting location. If you can shoot into the wind, it is often worth the extra time.
I wish people understood that this in no way represents ones ability to hunt. Being an ethical long range hunter has way more to do with knowing when NOT to rake the shot.
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Great content. It really makes you rethink what your potential is. I know my son and I will be setting up our own challenge this summer in Colorado.
Mike, the marine did not even complete the assigned task. He is a no go at this station. Is also a perfect example of somebody that is so full of their own hubris they can’t even pick the proper equipment to do the job much less possess the skill set needed to compete
You could be right, but thems is fighting words.
I sure would like to see you do better.
@@NelsonZAPTM I’m not sure if you’re being serious about what I said being fighting words or just having a little fun with me. In all seriousness though, what I said was just simply painfully obvious and out in the open for everyone else to observe also. Either way that ok, I stand behind them.
If Jim would have me on his channel to attempt the challenge, I would be more than happy to accept. Do I think I would do better than the first challenge? Absolutely.
Love the energy between Jim and Twinkie! Hope there will be more videos with him!
You noticed that the 7 mag was best, in this shoot.
I think the shooter might have had something to do with the results.
Thank you so much for the reality check on competence related to distance in a hunting situation. Keep up the great info..
I think we need to see Jim do his own challenge!
I was hoping to see that at the end.
I want to start of by saying props to all of these shooters for being brave enough to come out and shoot this challenge knowing its going to be very widely viewed no matter how well or poor they do. One thing I think would help a ton for each of these guys especially shooting in awkward positions is a level of some sort on their rifles/scopes. I would not be surprised if a fair number of these misses were due to canted rifles.
Must have been a big sneeze
Love these series! Please keep doing them. I believe it’s so important to show the hunting world how hard some of these shots are and to bring the ethical hunting range back in to a more realistic range.
Why do so many shooters come off the scope immediately after pulling the trigger? Do they think they can see better with their naked eye than with a high powered scope? Why even use a scope then? Stay on the rifle. Makes following your shots a lot easier. If you can’t see your shot, zoom out.
Because most rifles move off the point of impact due to recoil and the greater the magnification (= smaller FOV) the worse it gets. Still must not do it. It's a terrible habit and almost always results in decreased performance.
@@salninethousand2496 that is why recoil management and using the appropriate magnification (higher/more doesn’t always equal better) is so important. Much easier to get back on POA/POI if you stay on the rifle and in the scope than coming off trying to see where or if you hit your target with your naked eye. Especially if that target is a milk jug at 500 yards.
Happy shooting
Iooking for the bullet trace lol. Imo they're not used to shooting at that distance, probably using the whole 25x (or whatever their max mag is) magnificacion. Shooting a magnum cartridge or even a mid cartridge in a light weight rifle I would probably use all magnificacion to look at the target but dial back down to 10-12x for the shot. Much better chance of seeing splash in a miss, or watch the animal's reaction to the hit.
This is why there should be laws against how far hunters should be aloud to shoot at game . so many animals get wounded and die missable deaths because of people’s egos . Great video . This shows the reality