I wonder if you or someone you know is talented enough to pick ten life stories from viewers and using comic book and anime knowledge, turn them into a drawn character with abilities and a bio?
One of the best parents in the world doesn't teach kids at an early age. I'm happy to hear that from you, Stan. I love your work, passion and dedication! Much love!💚💚
Ah ha ha the "not anymore" broke me and I'm laughing like a crazy person trying not to die inside. Oh, AI generated art... wow. Also thanks for letting your children explore art. My dad (a painter) was strict as hell with fundamentals from the second I picked up a pencil at 3 years old. I'm doing the same with my daughter who has been learning on her own to animate since she was five. I just let her go to town and stay out of it as much as I can.
@Universi True, but I still worry because of how it can be used as a tool some in positive ways (as a reference or a sort of inspirational prompt) and in negative ways (like how some person entered a contest and won using AI art). It's not a big worry for actual artists, but it's another ethical crossroad in the conversation of art and art history as an anthropological subject.
Glad your kids are having fun w art. Same idea for kids w music & reading too. Watching, learning & inspiration from the example of the parents, but left to freely explore on their own with out criticism or rules.
I really appreciate how you're allowing your son to just have fun for now. I don't want to get too melodramatic here, but my earliest memory is of showing my mother a drawing I made probably when I was no older than 6 and her "critique" of it, including drawing over it to correct proportions. And my mother had no interest or skills in art! I still remember the deep disappointment I felt because, geez, I only wanted to share it with her. 🙄There's plenty of time for him and your daughter to learn what they need to learn, if they even want to learn it! About AI, I would encourage working artists not to get too worried about it but to also keep an eye on developments. I remember when I was in library school in the mid 90s (yeah, I'm that old!). A lot of us were afraid the Internet would make libraries obsolete. Well, libraries are still around; they've just had to adapt. I feel like that about this issue. No computer can replace human creativity and inspiration, despite scientists wanting us to feel that way. What might actually happen is that artists will get more interesting jobs and less creatively sophisticated work will be left to the machine.
I love your answers, particularly about your children. I walked away from education because the kind of exploration that is VITAL is frowned upon...well, that's one of the many...many, MANY, reasons. Kids need to explore, have fun. The best thing a parent can do is provide materials, let them play, and give encouragement.
Please talk about AI art. I see so many younger artists terrified of it, or outright depressed because of it. Some even willing to wave goodbye to art, just because they think there’s no more reason to be an artist anymore. Thanks
Woohoo! I win!! I just draw a kangaroo completely from imagination. OK, reason I could do it: I recently drew a squirrel from life (he came inside my house , sat on the couch, eating a peanut sandwich I just handed him). Without practising recently, maybe I would have failed. Mind you, the drawing I just did looks more of a "squirrel dinosaur" (close enough!)
Digital is way more convenient, I think. But I just don't like how it looks. I also think it's way easier because you can isolate layers and "paint" in a way you just can't normally. When I see digital art, I'm always a little bit less impressed by it.
I know Proko is joking when he says "not any more" and references AI art, but the fact that there are artists who are genuinly discouraged by AI "art" shows how few of us have pondered what constitute art other than image quality and art style. The only thing current AI is capable of doing is producing picture with obvious surface level narrative like "haha goofy Kiwi shootin eye laser". I can understand how intimidating it is to witness decades of refinements imitated by a software in seconds. But even if AI becomes capable of making conscious decisions based on its preference and personal history like a human can, that is still "a" vision of conscious individual. Think deeply about what makes your art special and start "communicating" both visually and contextually.
This is exactly why I don't think the average Joe with no artistic formation can replace a trained artist using only AI. Only artists can use that technology at its fullest, because it may seem as easy as putting words and getting pictures but it's really not, as you have accurately put it. The pictures have to be the right ones (or as close as it), and only an artist can see them.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Until the AI is able to choose and create prompts itself. It isn’t going to remain in the same form it is now. They plan for this thing to grow. In fact, just using it is training it on what humans want to see and choosing images is letting it know what it should choose in the future. Humans aren’t meant to be part of this at all. I highly recommend Steven Zapata’s video on the subject in which he addresses common arguments and assumptions. We really are going to have to fight this thing, not just assume it will play friendly tool forever.
@@Window4503 I watched his video, and I would make a video with counterarguments to it, (if my voice didn't sound like a bagpipe made of cats), because it treats several assumptions as facts (and I would never be concise enough on a youtube comment), for instance, the assumption that AI will at one point choose its own prompts and become independent from human input, when the fact is, the sort of AI that doesn't need humans to create pictures existed long before Dall-e or Stable diffusion... An AI made to simply puke random images is way easier to train and implement than an AI puking random images _while_ considering human input. AI is my field. I study what it can and cannot do with objectivity. All I can say is, If you are scared by this, know that nearly all office jobs would be obsolete if more people knew how to use Excel macros. Yes. This will grow... Way past "stealing artist's jobs": It will be used to transmit video on extremely slow internet connections, to make accurate police sketches, to audit code, to compress intensive computer graphics, etcetera... I'd be more worried about the AI that can write code with a prompt, if it weren't for the fact that writing code is boring as hell, and takes way too much time... Time I better spend doing other tasks... Anyways, one will always be free to grab a stylus or a graphite pencil and draw the ol' fashioned way.
"he'll ask me to draw him something...and then I'll draw that" sounds to me like Proko does free commissions. Taking requests in return for "exposure" 😄
3:31 I never approach a blank page. I always have an exact idea about what I want to draw, and if I don't have an idea, well it's time to sketch on a spare sheet of paper, or study some subject related to something I want to draw until I get a good idea. Then it's time to plan out the drawing, the composition, the colors I want to use... And draw lots of preliminary sketches before committing to the real thing... I mean, good oils and watercolors are _expensive,_ and I am poor. I ain't going to waste them while having no idea what to paint!
I'm really good at drawing random stuff from imagination(at least basic shorthands) but when i start studying those things i find that it actually gets way harder for me to draw it from imagination. at least until i get a really strong grasp. i wonder why that is
It might be related to an effect athletes call "the Yips". Basically, it's a temporary loss of muscle memory of a complex move you previously could perform, cause by concentrating on just one aspect of it. To put it into left-brain-right-brain terms (or whatever you want to call those 2 modes of thinking), in the past you consciously thought about how to execute certain drawing decisions individually (left brain) and over time your brain learned to bundle some of these into chunks you can now execute without thinking about the individual parts (right brain). Now, if you start studying and try to improve your drawing skills, your brain can't always just add one newly learned left-brain fact (learned either from art theory or discovered by observing a drawing subject) onto your existing drawing habits. Being in theory-mode can actually interfere with you auto-pilot-mode. The solution to this is to not get discouraged (as with athletes, fear of failure leads to over-control which leads to more Yips) and keep drawing while thinking of all the individual details till your brain had enough time to establish a new chunk that includes the newly learned info. Hope that helps.
Hopefully some1 help me ask this cause i cant use tiktok or insta: What r u thinking about AI drawing, stealing art publicaly or new stage of technology
Me agrada que te tomes con humor el tema del canguro, justamente por razones parecidas me preocupa lo que comento para que después no me persigan o algo parecido xd
What was the "nude drawing at 17" person thinking? That they would somehow be violating the age-of-consent for sex by drawing an adult figure? Quite an abstract train of thought.
Well, the models will probably be adults, who are technically exposing themselves to a minor. So that question may fall under age of consent and as he mentioned his parents signed a waiver when he started his life drawing class.
Did you know, and as artists, I hope you can relate to this, that the neuro tests make the elderly with no art or interest in art draw a cube with no instruction or a reference. Betty Edwards says people cannot draw cubes without instruction. I'm almost finished with my graphic memoir of how I used my health and fitness knowledge to stop my mother with mild dementia from forgetting me, and it worked. I tricked her off caffeine, then no prescription meds, forced her/tricked her/incentivized her to drink water, kept her away from high fructose corn syrup and other poison, because they made her mean and delusional, and kept her away from gluten. I'm always curious to know what artists think of this fact? My book is about how the right hand is not talking to the left hand with many aspects of our health.
People still think digital painting/drawing has some magical tools that you click once and have a finished illustration....Oh wait...Still can't do better hands, feet and boobas than me...For how long tho?
I couldn't scroll down fast enough because I didn't expect to see pictures of children I didn't know. I actually enjoyed watching the videos here, but I don't support anyone who violates children's right to privacy by distributing children's photos for strangers to view, which is a violation of children's right to privacy and violates the 16 article of The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC). Children have a right to have a private family life without digital recordings of it being broadcast on the internet. Children can decide for themselves when they are older what they want or don't want to share on the internet.
Got another question you’d like Stanswered? Send them my way on Instagram or TikTok (@stanprokopenko) for a chance at a reply.
Insta beacuse tik tok is band here la la .....
what time it takes to be able to draw from mind without reference
I wonder if you or someone you know is talented enough to pick ten life stories from viewers and using comic book and anime knowledge, turn them into a drawn character with abilities and a bio?
@@jamesbaker3818 Commission with no pay? lol
I love that he fully embraced the Proko Kangaroo.
The next level should be merch. Proko kangaroo merch! 3D sculpts! Shirts! It's not something to be ashamed of! It's a culture in of itself!
Needs a redemption arc with a proper kangaroo in the basics course
One of the best parents in the world doesn't teach kids at an early age. I'm happy to hear that from you, Stan. I love your work, passion and dedication! Much love!💚💚
Def agree man! Let the kid be a kid and have fun, it will come a time when he will want to open the gates of learning ;)
Ah ha ha the "not anymore" broke me and I'm laughing like a crazy person trying not to die inside. Oh, AI generated art... wow.
Also thanks for letting your children explore art. My dad (a painter) was strict as hell with fundamentals from the second I picked up a pencil at 3 years old. I'm doing the same with my daughter who has been learning on her own to animate since she was five. I just let her go to town and stay out of it as much as I can.
@Universi True, but I still worry because of how it can be used as a tool some in positive ways (as a reference or a sort of inspirational prompt) and in negative ways (like how some person entered a contest and won using AI art). It's not a big worry for actual artists, but it's another ethical crossroad in the conversation of art and art history as an anthropological subject.
Glad your kids are having fun w art. Same idea for kids w music & reading too.
Watching, learning & inspiration from the example of the parents, but left to freely explore on their own with out criticism or rules.
I enjoy all of your content and lessons, you have a wonderful personality and sensibility sir, thanks for continuing to inspire the rest of us.
I really appreciate how you're allowing your son to just have fun for now. I don't want to get too melodramatic here, but my earliest memory is of showing my mother a drawing I made probably when I was no older than 6 and her "critique" of it, including drawing over it to correct proportions. And my mother had no interest or skills in art! I still remember the deep disappointment I felt because, geez, I only wanted to share it with her. 🙄There's plenty of time for him and your daughter to learn what they need to learn, if they even want to learn it!
About AI, I would encourage working artists not to get too worried about it but to also keep an eye on developments. I remember when I was in library school in the mid 90s (yeah, I'm that old!). A lot of us were afraid the Internet would make libraries obsolete. Well, libraries are still around; they've just had to adapt. I feel like that about this issue. No computer can replace human creativity and inspiration, despite scientists wanting us to feel that way. What might actually happen is that artists will get more interesting jobs and less creatively sophisticated work will be left to the machine.
I love your answers, particularly about your children. I walked away from education because the kind of exploration that is VITAL is frowned upon...well, that's one of the many...many, MANY, reasons. Kids need to explore, have fun. The best thing a parent can do is provide materials, let them play, and give encouragement.
Best way to think of a kangaroo is to imagine a T-Rex Deer.
Please talk about AI art. I see so many younger artists terrified of it, or outright depressed because of it. Some even willing to wave goodbye to art, just because they think there’s no more reason to be an artist anymore.
Thanks
Yes proko please talk on this
I've seen the results of AI, but i think it became more too obvious for me that 'this is too AI, like i can smell it..'
He talks about it on his podcast
Woohoo! I win!!
I just draw a kangaroo completely from imagination. OK, reason I could do it: I recently drew a squirrel from life (he came inside my house , sat on the couch, eating a peanut sandwich I just handed him). Without practising recently, maybe I would have failed. Mind you, the drawing I just did looks more of a "squirrel dinosaur" (close enough!)
Digital is way more convenient, I think. But I just don't like how it looks. I also think it's way easier because you can isolate layers and "paint" in a way you just can't normally. When I see digital art, I'm always a little bit less impressed by it.
Same
So anyway, I started blastin'
I know Proko is joking when he says "not any more" and references AI art, but the fact that there are artists who are genuinly discouraged by AI "art" shows how few of us have pondered what constitute art other than image quality and art style. The only thing current AI is capable of doing is producing picture with obvious surface level narrative like "haha goofy Kiwi shootin eye laser".
I can understand how intimidating it is to witness decades of refinements imitated by a software in seconds. But even if AI becomes capable of making conscious decisions based on its preference and personal history like a human can, that is still "a" vision of conscious individual. Think deeply about what makes your art special and start "communicating" both visually and contextually.
This is exactly why I don't think the average Joe with no artistic formation can replace a trained artist using only AI. Only artists can use that technology at its fullest, because it may seem as easy as putting words and getting pictures but it's really not, as you have accurately put it.
The pictures have to be the right ones (or as close as it), and only an artist can see them.
@@DonVigaDeFierro Until the AI is able to choose and create prompts itself. It isn’t going to remain in the same form it is now. They plan for this thing to grow. In fact, just using it is training it on what humans want to see and choosing images is letting it know what it should choose in the future. Humans aren’t meant to be part of this at all.
I highly recommend Steven Zapata’s video on the subject in which he addresses common arguments and assumptions. We really are going to have to fight this thing, not just assume it will play friendly tool forever.
@@Window4503 I watched his video, and I would make a video with counterarguments to it, (if my voice didn't sound like a bagpipe made of cats), because it treats several assumptions as facts (and I would never be concise enough on a youtube comment), for instance, the assumption that AI will at one point choose its own prompts and become independent from human input, when the fact is, the sort of AI that doesn't need humans to create pictures existed long before Dall-e or Stable diffusion... An AI made to simply puke random images is way easier to train and implement than an AI puking random images _while_ considering human input.
AI is my field. I study what it can and cannot do with objectivity. All I can say is, If you are scared by this, know that nearly all office jobs would be obsolete if more people knew how to use Excel macros.
Yes. This will grow... Way past "stealing artist's jobs": It will be used to transmit video on extremely slow internet connections, to make accurate police sketches, to audit code, to compress intensive computer graphics, etcetera... I'd be more worried about the AI that can write code with a prompt, if it weren't for the fact that writing code is boring as hell, and takes way too much time... Time I better spend doing other tasks... Anyways, one will always be free to grab a stylus or a graphite pencil and draw the ol' fashioned way.
Your Kangaroo is a baby boxing, Mr. Rorschach told me
"he'll ask me to draw him something...and then I'll draw that" sounds to me like Proko does free commissions. Taking requests in return for "exposure" 😄
shush now you're named like a star wars character
Love that ending! 😂
3:31 I never approach a blank page. I always have an exact idea about what I want to draw, and if I don't have an idea, well it's time to sketch on a spare sheet of paper, or study some subject related to something I want to draw until I get a good idea. Then it's time to plan out the drawing, the composition, the colors I want to use... And draw lots of preliminary sketches before committing to the real thing...
I mean, good oils and watercolors are _expensive,_ and I am poor. I ain't going to waste them while having no idea what to paint!
Stan is on something and I need a hit.
lmao love the kangaroo shoutout, so good
These are awesome! Thanks Stan!
What was the most overly ambitious thing you tried to draw?
I love you Proko! Regardless of how you draw kangaroos...
strange, No videos on Master Kim. I was expecting something from you.
Yeah especially as much as he promoted him prior to his death.
Your kids are so cute 😍
I'm really good at drawing random stuff from imagination(at least basic shorthands) but when i start studying those things i find that it actually gets way harder for me to draw it from imagination. at least until i get a really strong grasp. i wonder why that is
It might be related to an effect athletes call "the Yips". Basically, it's a temporary loss of muscle memory of a complex move you previously could perform, cause by concentrating on just one aspect of it.
To put it into left-brain-right-brain terms (or whatever you want to call those 2 modes of thinking), in the past you consciously thought about how to execute certain drawing decisions individually (left brain) and over time your brain learned to bundle some of these into chunks you can now execute without thinking about the individual parts (right brain).
Now, if you start studying and try to improve your drawing skills, your brain can't always just add one newly learned left-brain fact (learned either from art theory or discovered by observing a drawing subject) onto your existing drawing habits.
Being in theory-mode can actually interfere with you auto-pilot-mode. The solution to this is to not get discouraged (as with athletes, fear of failure leads to over-control which leads to more Yips) and keep drawing while thinking of all the individual details till your brain had enough time to establish a new chunk that includes the newly learned info.
Hope that helps.
hehe kangaroo fetus funny
i lovin' the draftsman podcast btw
it's a pleasant thing to listen to while drawing
I m always waiting for your video sir
Don't worry proko WE like your kangaroo 😂
Thanks
For me it’s a detailed image of a car I can never get the wheels to look right
Hopefully some1 help me ask this cause i cant use tiktok or insta: What r u thinking about AI drawing, stealing art publicaly or new stage of technology
Hardest thing to draw: Interdigitation of the serratus.
Hi i want to draw😃
You are doing the right thing. They are too young right now.
Thanku some of question are same as i wanna know
Why I can’t draw cats from imagination, I did lots of them
Haha the kangaroo
not any more hit me too hard. its truuu
Proko..I can't talk right now,I forgot the words in my brain,wait do I even have a brain.. okay I'm ready, what was the question again..
Dibujo tradicional.
The notorious B.I.G 💀💀
you guys should reach out and get a tattoo artist to guest on here and do a mini course on the website.
Not anymore! 😬😬😬
Me agrada que te tomes con humor el tema del canguro, justamente por razones parecidas me preocupa lo que comento para que después no me persigan o algo parecido xd
Adopt me Stan!
piu piu piu bam bam bam
G'day!!! You must be kidding!!!???
Piensas que yo, que solo hablo español podría hacer tus cursos? Gracias 🙏
ah yes, Big E
Guys what do u think should all amateur artist just give up because we already have AI or what? Should we keep going to become a professional artist?
I'm your 30 years son that you are not aware of
What was the "nude drawing at 17" person thinking? That they would somehow be violating the age-of-consent for sex by drawing an adult figure? Quite an abstract train of thought.
Well, the models will probably be adults, who are technically exposing themselves to a minor. So that question may fall under age of consent and as he mentioned his parents signed a waiver when he started his life drawing class.
Did you know, and as artists, I hope you can relate to this, that the neuro tests make the elderly with no art or interest in art draw a cube with no instruction or a reference. Betty Edwards says people cannot draw cubes without instruction. I'm almost finished with my graphic memoir of how I used my health and fitness knowledge to stop my mother with mild dementia from forgetting me, and it worked. I tricked her off caffeine, then no prescription meds, forced her/tricked her/incentivized her to drink water, kept her away from high fructose corn syrup and other poison, because they made her mean and delusional, and kept her away from gluten. I'm always curious to know what artists think of this fact? My book is about how the right hand is not talking to the left hand with many aspects of our health.
People still think digital painting/drawing has some magical tools that you click once and have a finished illustration....Oh wait...Still can't do better hands, feet and boobas than me...For how long tho?
I couldn't scroll down fast enough because I didn't expect to see pictures of children I didn't know.
I actually enjoyed watching the videos here, but I don't support anyone who violates children's right to privacy by distributing children's photos for strangers to view,
which is a violation of children's right to privacy and violates the 16 article of The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC).
Children have a right to have a private family life without digital recordings of it being broadcast on the internet.
Children can decide for themselves when they are older what they want or don't want to share on the internet.
First
Digital art is not real art
How come?
No such thing as 'real art'
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