Never a Trier word said, also in his last video, he advertising a Patek Philippe 5711/1R Rose Gold with Wrist Aficionado, said it's dropped from $320,000, to sub $200,000, Point us to your website, where like you said, it's for sale, at $315,000. Same with the Patek Philippe 5711/1A-011 Stainless Steel White Dial (2018), said it's dropped to $120,000, yet your advertising it at $190,000 on your website, under which reads "This watch is sourced and shipped through Wrist Aficionado. Please see our Pre-Owned Terms for more details" Also, if your selling their watches, on your Website, your earning Commission, then this is an advert, no? as I didnt see that anywhere!
to be fair, it's easy to say that more "unique" watches and "higher end" watches haven't gone down in value, because there's not many on the market to begin with, so dealers will keep a high asking price, but it doesn't mean that they'll buy it from you at competitive prices...
Should be a lesson. Buy what YOU like and don’t sell it. Keep the opportunists and people that only see watches as investments, out of our market. If you only like the “expensive” or popular watches, or you’re buying it as an investment, you’re not a collector, you’re not an enthusiast because you don’t love watches.
"If you only like the “expensive” or popular watches, or you’re buying it as an investment, you’re not a collector, you’re not an enthusiast because you don’t love watches."......sorry but you describing Michael.
@@mura0 😂🤣I just hate when these incredible, very exclusive watches that Ive drooled over for years, aspire to own, are featured as, “Beautiful, AP? Ok! What’s it worth? ….Retail? …Ok. Decent investment. What’s next…” I’m a watch nerd. I hate that these watches are as trendy as they are. Pretend “enthusiasts” please go away. At least be honest and admit you want to feature it on IG, sell it, make money, and buy the new trendy one. Not calling any names 🤣😂😎
People who love money and expensive items can also be watch enthusiasts... Most of the high end collectors love watches because theyre exclusive and expensive...Do you own any authentic watches? It's really annoying when people who can't afford the watches or do not own any luxury pieces have an opinion on everything...
@@jawidomerzai5101 No, nothing that comes close to this presentation. Couple stainless Rolexes, vintage speedy, and some smaller stuff, which I adore and will give away to someone I love before I sell them. Just me. Of course wealthy people are allowed to love luxury stuff. Love it for what it is/how rare it is. Go watch Kevin O’Leary talk about watches. Of course price-point is discussed, but he talks about what he loves/hates and never talks about “investment” because he doesn’t sell his stuff. People are entitled to do whatever they want, but come on, there’s a difference. Michael’s motivated by return on investment in 1,000 different watch videos. He painstakingly asks “Value? Retail? Think it’ll continue? What’s next?” He sells the old ones to buy the new and popular. Which is fine. Most guys, like Kevin, love it for what it is. They usually have obscure watches that aren’t only the popular, trendy, and expensive ones.. It’s just an observation. There’s nothing wrong with being an opportunist and making money. I just wish they’d be a little more forthcoming. If I went into the piano business, I wouldn’t pose as an enthusiast/collector. I’d say I’m a salesman.
@@jawidomerzai5101 You’re annoyed that people have an opinion…. 🤣That’s your cross-to-bear sir. If you’ve never been President, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Never played for the Lakers? Don’t have an opinion on basketball!
14:45, "I think they will", please state why you believe this when interest rates' rise is clearly the reason for the crash in watch values. I don't believe they'll be inflated for long, personal opinion. We'll see. Just be cautious about what bizarrely friendly in-condo/apt watch-dealers tell you.
There’s no way to know if these are holding their prices. They aren’t bought or sold on a regular enough basis to see them correct with the market in real time. Trust me, if that dude were to hold a public auction for those watches you would see those values go down real quick with public sales prices.
A patient of my mine just got one with white sun burst dial he came from the city straight to my office to show me he traded in his explorer and $. Dude he had me put it on my wrist and holy shit I could stare at that dial all damn day what a watch!!!
All those nonsense watches, and then suddenly the no-nonsense Lange & Söhne. I love it. Most beautiful watch in this video. Thanks Michael! (And Adam).
To me Vacheron is the top then the rest. Glad they are holding well and picking up some traction as they should. Will be interesting to see what direction they take things. As for the market I think was a mix of people parking money and flipping.
It's great to see progress where you bringing experts but unfortunately the main discussion is around the dollars vs talking about what makes those watch exceptional. Having said that, from my opinion you are in the right path in terms of content. Thank you.
As an older guy I understand the younger generation has their styles that I just don't understand, but when I see a guy who is closer to my age wearing a Man Bun, all I can think is WHY!!!
You guys have been doing great watch, jet, boat, car, house and neighborhood videos. I love your channel a LOT. And, I wonder if you have any plan to highlight other parts of lux-living such as daily shopping or holiday. I do not have a very concrete idea here but I think it might be excellent if you can create another "type" of video.
I wish Michael did some reviews and discussions around independent brands like Moser, MB&F, etc…. They are becoming more and more popular and provide amazing v alue for money…
@@samuelburton5576 no diamonds,no metals. Watches are a bit dated. But if it resells at same price is the big deal. Watches being nothing more then a fashion statement being said. That tesla model pi sat solor powered phone will make that even more so.
That was utterly delightful to see especially in 4K! Please thank the guys that brought them to be shown on your channel will you! Michael I love your shirt! 👏👏👏👏👏👌
The reseller that talk about "crash" are the same that 5 months ago buy and sell watches overpriced of 40% with no reasons....and the watches survived the crash are the same they are selling in the video. UMBELIEVABLE! ahahah
I got offered that VC Rose Gold Perpetual at the boutique a few months ago - I think right at 118k. A little too rich for my blood at the time but a beautiful watch!
A whole diffrent universe of pricerange but I am so stoked over my new Titanium Certina DS Action Diver (Black/Bronze bezel). Around 1000 euro for those here in Sweden. Swiss made with Powermatic 80 movement. 😊
The VC tourb with blue dial was offered to me last year for retail, but I don’t know where they are getting their market value from… a quick search shows it’s around $125k market
Great video Michael. Thanks for this. - A question for you - You and these guys talk about "trading" as if there is a deep and liquid market in luxury scarce watches. How often do "watch aficionados" receive bids for their watches, esp. when recession is coming? I am curious to know.
Here is an interesting question about time, what time is it on the moon, given a moons equivalent of earth's day is 29 & a half days. Also, who would regulate thay time tithe part of the moon as it does a cycle if a day.
Brittany with her Tudor was a bit cheap, so great fun to go over the top with RM and MB&F. Actually i am at the side of Adam for Vacheron Constantin. I like the Overseas tourbillon. The AP’s are good, but there is a RO who is the one that is the best black AP, the Karl Lagerfeld RO. That AP with the tourbillon is even nicer than Karl’s AP.
The market isn’t crashing, it’s recorrecting to logical levels!
Never a Trier word said, also in his last video, he advertising a Patek Philippe 5711/1R Rose Gold with Wrist Aficionado, said it's dropped from $320,000, to sub $200,000, Point us to your website, where like you said, it's for sale, at $315,000. Same with the Patek Philippe 5711/1A-011 Stainless Steel White Dial (2018), said it's dropped to $120,000, yet your advertising it at $190,000 on your website, under which reads "This watch is sourced and shipped through Wrist Aficionado. Please see our Pre-Owned Terms for more details"
Also, if your selling their watches, on your Website, your earning Commission, then this is an advert, no? as I didnt see that anywhere!
Not yet we have very long way to go
even these new "logical" levels make no sense and I love, understand, respect and study horology for quite some time now.
400K for a watch that looks like plastic.
400K for a Black ceramic watch, people got more money than sense.
“They might shatter, but they are scratch resistant”- hell of a selling point
marketing at its finest
Well, as long as you don't drop it on a stone floor or bang it against something, it'll look brand new forever. That's the selling point.
Huge difference between shatter and a scratch 😂
to be fair, it's easy to say that more "unique" watches and "higher end" watches haven't gone down in value, because there's not many on the market to begin with, so dealers will keep a high asking price, but it doesn't mean that they'll buy it from you at competitive prices...
Incorrect. They are being dumped behind the scenes. You will see soon. The public market is usually a month behind what is happening between dealers.
Exactly. Ultra low liquidity market.
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Never been a AP fan, but that one with the purple dial was so so nice.
How can someone not be a fan of Audemars??? They literally have the nicest watches on the market, for true gentlemen and watch enthusiasts....
@@vladadesigns8476nope Vacheron constantin is far more better in my opinion 😅 I respect youre opinion to 👊🏼
Great to see an Overseas in a producer Michael video.
They ARE part of the holy trinity afterall.
We’ll be seeing corrections in all markets
I doubt it.
World hops from one bubble to the next.
I must confess that even i am a collector of wrist watches, my favourite being automatic watches specifically Seiko 5 series, i have three of them!
Should be a lesson. Buy what YOU like and don’t sell it. Keep the opportunists and people that only see watches as investments, out of our market.
If you only like the “expensive” or popular watches, or you’re buying it as an investment, you’re not a collector, you’re not an enthusiast because you don’t love watches.
"If you only like the “expensive” or popular watches, or you’re buying it as an investment, you’re not a collector, you’re not an enthusiast because you don’t love watches."......sorry but you describing Michael.
@@mura0 😂🤣I just hate when these incredible, very exclusive watches that Ive drooled over for years, aspire to own, are featured as, “Beautiful, AP? Ok! What’s it worth? ….Retail? …Ok. Decent investment. What’s next…”
I’m a watch nerd. I hate that these watches are as trendy as they are. Pretend “enthusiasts” please go away. At least be honest and admit you want to feature it on IG, sell it, make money, and buy the new trendy one. Not calling any names 🤣😂😎
People who love money and expensive items can also be watch enthusiasts... Most of the high end collectors love watches because theyre exclusive and expensive...Do you own any authentic watches? It's really annoying when people who can't afford the watches or do not own any luxury pieces have an opinion on everything...
@@jawidomerzai5101 No, nothing that comes close to this presentation. Couple stainless Rolexes, vintage speedy, and some smaller stuff, which I adore and will give away to someone I love before I sell them. Just me.
Of course wealthy people are allowed to love luxury stuff. Love it for what it is/how rare it is. Go watch Kevin O’Leary talk about watches. Of course price-point is discussed, but he talks about what he loves/hates and never talks about “investment” because he doesn’t sell his stuff.
People are entitled to do whatever they want, but come on, there’s a difference. Michael’s motivated by return on investment in 1,000 different watch videos. He painstakingly asks “Value? Retail? Think it’ll continue? What’s next?” He sells the old ones to buy the new and popular. Which is fine.
Most guys, like Kevin, love it for what it is. They usually have obscure watches that aren’t only the popular, trendy, and expensive ones..
It’s just an observation. There’s nothing wrong with being an opportunist and making money. I just wish they’d be a little more forthcoming. If I went into the piano business, I wouldn’t pose as an enthusiast/collector. I’d say I’m a salesman.
@@jawidomerzai5101 You’re annoyed that people have an opinion…. 🤣That’s your cross-to-bear sir.
If you’ve never been President, you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. Never played for the Lakers? Don’t have an opinion on basketball!
Nothing is selling. The market hasn't crashed in the sense that prices haven't totally collapsed but there's zero consumer action.
Adam, don't let them fool you - you're right, that dial IS sunburst!
I was looking through the comments for this hahah. It was definitely a sunburst dial!
14:45, "I think they will", please state why you believe this when interest rates' rise is clearly the reason for the crash in watch values. I don't believe they'll be inflated for long, personal opinion. We'll see. Just be cautious about what bizarrely friendly in-condo/apt watch-dealers tell you.
@:31 oh he finally gave him his watch back, I see..😂😁🤔🙄👍👋😎🔥
There’s no way to know if these are holding their prices. They aren’t bought or sold on a regular enough basis to see them correct with the market in real time. Trust me, if that dude were to hold a public auction for those watches you would see those values go down real quick with public sales prices.
Spot on! couldn’t agree more
Yup!
It’s a year later. The Vacheron perpetual calendar has lost more than half its value since this video.
You know it's really expensive when even Michael finds it expensive
Vacheron Constantin is actually my favourite Watch Brand. Beautiful Watches.
Lange is so freaking amazing
Richard Mille watches look like cheap Chinese knock offs to begin with.
The people that wear them are the actual “tool”
@@wayneguy6043
Absolutely 💯 right
Love the vacheron overseas and AP Purple dial. Lots of love from Australia. Abs.
Nice. Always the rarest survive in any market even in crashing one. :)
Adam, I'm with you. The Vacheron Overseas is my grail piece.
A patient of my mine just got one with white sun burst dial he came from the city straight to my office to show me he traded in his explorer and $. Dude he had me put it on my wrist and holy shit I could stare at that dial all damn day what a watch!!!
PM. ..All ur episodes are just amazing. Kindly upload more than 1 video every week.
That fast intro with Michael wearing those shades have some serious badass attitude on it🤘🏻🤘🏻
I laughed OUT LOUD when PM was looking at the asymmetrical RM with white rubber strap said: "Adam would jump off the balcony".....🤣
How come youtube has stopped sending me notifications regarding PM videos? - I had to google PM and check any new uploads.
That frosted AP is unreal!
"It's a big club and you ain't in it"
Prices are dropping ... Wonder what will happen when the boutiques start getting stock.
Great episode that VC Rose Gold overseas 😍
V-C is my new grail watch. Too expensive for me at the moment but love it.
All those nonsense watches, and then suddenly the no-nonsense Lange & Söhne. I love it. Most beautiful watch in this video. Thanks Michael! (And Adam).
You’re a classy guy Harry! That’s the only stand-out! (If the Overseas was without the tourbillon, that’ve been two😉)
Sad enough they didn’t wind it to show the jumping minute
We really need to know this stuff during a fuel poverty as it's really important in the grand scheme of things
Can’t leave out the rap culture for bringing more attention to those brands I hear them say Richard Mille and patek in every rap song
I love his shirt.
To me Vacheron is the top then the rest. Glad they are holding well and picking up some traction as they should.
Will be interesting to see what direction they take things. As for the market I think was a mix of people parking money and flipping.
Lol Micheal cracks me up. Reaches for the watch then says may I see it
i really love your videos Michael !! 🔥🔥
who wants entire collection video
That Vacheron overseas 😍 😍😍
'It's a Men in black watch' That was genius Adam!
Purple dial ... frosted AP .... it is beautiful , best watch I 've seen for a long time .. I think frosting may catch on ? like sky blue dials ... 😁
It's great to see progress where you bringing experts but unfortunately the main discussion is around the dollars vs talking about what makes those watch exceptional. Having said that, from my opinion you are in the right path in terms of content. Thank you.
Woo Hoo AL&S great watch to add to the collection Michael. Always wanted one - but wayyyyy to expensive for moi.
Michael, take those sunglasses 🕶 😎 off 😂😂
Those Vacheron watches are just amazing, I myself rather have one over a Rolex or any luxury Brand
Thank u for the new content nothing but blessings to u guys 💯 ✌️ very nice selection of watches ❤️🔥
As an older guy I understand the younger generation has their styles that I just don't understand, but when I see a guy who is closer to my age wearing a Man Bun, all I can think is WHY!!!
You guys have been doing great watch, jet, boat, car, house and neighborhood videos. I love your channel a LOT. And, I wonder if you have any plan to highlight other parts of lux-living such as daily shopping or holiday. I do not have a very concrete idea here but I think it might be excellent if you can create another "type" of video.
wow amazing watches indeed
Adam they didn’t mention Panzera..I’m shocked 😳
Was just having some fun with Adam…thanks for the great content gentleman!
I wish Michael did some reviews and discussions around independent brands like Moser, MB&F, etc…. They are becoming more and more popular and provide amazing v alue for money…
Nice watches and good video
Watch collecting 101: buy low, sell high!
Hardly 48 seconds in the video, and why is Michael wearing sunglasses..... 🤔 inside a room? How earth shattering! Lolzzz 😆
Great video!! Two of the most humble car guys
Michael thank you for another brilliant video 👍👍👍👍Adam is also doing good job with video camera and comments 👍👍👍
The Richard Mille with the elasticated strap looks like an homage watch to Richard Mille!!!
Good to hear I'm on the streets because of it
A. Lange & Söhne ZEITWERK 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
That RM Yohan White Black🔥🔥🔥 #SickPiece
I'll take the MB&F all day long!
I would do that for 2 reasons
No one will mug me
It looks like ninja turtle
Hello from Sweden as always :)
I love how everyone is referring to “last week” even though we all know that both videos were shot in the same day 🤣🤣🤣
That red richard Mille watch looks great though. Best looking watch there. Light and stylish. Deep pockets needed though.
There's a sicker born every minute. Also remember a fool and his money will soon be parted!!!! RM's are ridiculous to say the least
@@samuelburton5576 no diamonds,no metals. Watches are a bit dated. But if it resells at same price is the big deal. Watches being nothing more then a fashion statement being said. That tesla model pi sat solor powered phone will make that even more so.
That was utterly delightful to see especially in 4K! Please thank the guys that brought them to be shown on your channel will you! Michael I love your shirt! 👏👏👏👏👏👌
The reseller that talk about "crash" are the same that 5 months ago buy and sell watches overpriced of 40% with no reasons....and the watches survived the crash are the same they are selling in the video. UMBELIEVABLE! ahahah
Will the Milligauss be discontinued next year?
6.58 watch matches completely with michaels outfit🤗
The watch market is gonna plummet another 20%, I’m a trading analyst for a hedge fund so take my word for it.
Do these gentleman have any bridges for sale, I hear prices have dropped ?
I got offered that VC Rose Gold Perpetual at the boutique a few months ago - I think right at 118k. A little too rich for my blood at the time but a beautiful watch!
Very entertaining. Thanks!
Wow..nice😊
Where do you get that shirt
A whole diffrent universe of pricerange but I am so stoked over my new Titanium Certina DS Action Diver (Black/Bronze bezel).
Around 1000 euro for those here in Sweden. Swiss made with Powermatic 80 movement. 😊
RMs are today's tulips
Dude pulled his ponytail so far back that he was able to extend his forehead by 300%
He keeps saying they are limited, but 200 pieces of a watch it’s not really limited.
The price just reflects the demand and the model of the watch.
For some reason I thought you had a bunch of your watches with you and you were in a car crash. hah
WHICH ONE IS THE BEST INVESTMENT RIGHT NOW? AROUND 10K THANKS
Good day Michael, how come you don’t have any FP Journey’s watches ?
adam is really entertaining, he should start standup comedy 🤣7:05
Can you also do a video that is completely opposite? For example, that watches that have crashed the most?
He done that with the last video with these 2 in it mate
Michael really doesn't have to do that "haha, you can't afford it" thing to Adam.
What’s with the sunglasses?
I love the Vacheron it’s like Rolex meets Patek
Collectiable + Rare + Vintage !!
Ive never seen a good looking Richard Mille
A Lange is the best out of these for me. Get the minute repeater one.
BOOM-flation is comming !!
The VC tourb with blue dial was offered to me last year for retail, but I don’t know where they are getting their market value from… a quick search shows it’s around $125k market
lol sure you was offered a vc turb for retail ;)
I love mechanical watches, but I just can’t help thinking someone that has an RM 67-02 is a complete sucker and supremely affected!
I'm not e enough interest in watches I just love watching you're channel
Those Constantin watches are beautiful !
If a watch sells for 1 million $$$ and it drops to 700,000 $$$….the normal buyer wouldn't call that a crash.
Great video Michael. Thanks for this. - A question for you - You and these guys talk about "trading" as if there is a deep and liquid market in luxury scarce watches. How often do "watch aficionados" receive bids for their watches, esp. when recession is coming? I am curious to know.
O so nice thanks for the share mikiepooh, hi Adam 👋 have a wonderful day oxox stay safe....
Idk nothing about what's app 🙄
Thank you for another great video
The message is, the limited run pieces by the best brands are the safest bet.
Here is an interesting question about time, what time is it on the moon, given a moons equivalent of earth's day is 29 & a half days. Also, who would regulate thay time tithe part of the moon as it does a cycle if a day.
HEY MICHAEL!!! Can we have an update on your private jet please??
Thanks!
It's parked at Sandy Shores Airfield
Brittany with her Tudor was a bit cheap, so great fun to go over the top with RM and MB&F.
Actually i am at the side of Adam for Vacheron Constantin. I like the Overseas tourbillon.
The AP’s are good, but there is a RO who is the one that is the best black AP, the Karl Lagerfeld RO.
That AP with the tourbillon is even nicer than Karl’s AP.