I love the story going from "in my opinion, the keyboard is terrible" over "actually it is my subjective perspective and it is not so bad " to "I WAS RIGHT IT IS TERRIBLE AND I CAN PROVE IT" The new Lab is a real treat for consumer decision making, because i actually thought "maybe Alex has really high standards" and now i know it is objectively justified
@@iHasCaek I mean Apple had their butterfly keyboard fiasco for several years... lol. Keyboards also imo have always been one of Apple's weak points. For machines that always are top-notch with hardware user-interface (speakers, screens, touchpad, etc) their keyboards have always been disappointing.
@@nicka5040 imo the butterfly keyboard itself was actually great. It was nice to type on, felt well etc. Its only issue was simply that it had TERRIBLE durability. That was a gigantic issue that they never were able to fix but the typing experience by itself was great imo.
yup, exactly my experience with keyboard - TERRIBLE. It is good to know that these guys are actually care about telling the legit experience - not selling the crap. Thank you!
I wouldnt say it is like that all the time. Sometimes they dont do their research too much to the point where they dont even bother and just dont point it out
@@Gamer-nc8qp I use to have Gram 17" 2019 - it was great except keyboard and touchpad. Unfortunatelly after some time some keys pretty much stopped working. Now I'm using Dell XPS and it is completely different story - there's really no comparison where it comes to quality of the keyboard and touchpad.
TWENTY ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.......I could buy a top-spec Asus G14 on deep discount (happens 6 months after reaching shelves every year) and a RTX 4060 to upgrade my eGPU box or a decent 27-inch 144hz 4K monitor with $100 left over for bunch of LTTstore accessories.
sure but who ever uses speakers on the laptop ...ever? Could not care less about the speakers.. what is inexcusable however for that price is the horrible build quality and screen ..
-looks at his bank acc- I'd pay $250. If Dwayne Johnson was the referee then i'm willing to drop $1250 in total. If DJ and Steve Austin coached them in Karate, which will be hilarious, I'd have to see how much I have at that point of time and just drop it all.
I'm sorta betting that's their intent. Price high to bring price down for sales (looks like a great deal! I'll take 8!) .. Then after the suckers have been had, drop the pricing.
Personally, I think even their Black Friday prices are too high - considering the specs and apparent build quality. If I’m paying over $1000 for a laptop, they should at least have a dedicated GPU or a high end CPU. Something. Not an i5 with no GPU, basic specs for RAM and storage, and that deck flex … ugh. My laptop was around $700. 5th gen Ryzen 7, 16GB of upgradable RAM, 500GB of upgradable storage, touchscreen, loud ass B&O speaker system …
I just have to comment on this. I have an LG Gram 17 - 11gen i7 model. I think it's the 2021 model. I bought it on sale from Costco for about $1300 out the door with tax. I'm a software engineer and I figured I'd give it a try and take it back if I didn't like it. I love it! The keyboard is fine. The screen is gloss and wish it was matt like the newer Grams (but it's not a deal breaker -- you just adjust the screen angle). I've been using it daily for about 12 months -- no issues. The battery routinely lasts around 6 hours of continuous use. The speakers are not very loud. The CPU is plenty fast for productivity and some light gaming (Diablo3, Valorant). And I'm gaming on the battery! It came with a 500gb high speed NVMe SSD and I added another 980gb NVMe SSD for less than $100 to the second drive slot. If this machine dies and I can't fix it.. I'll immediately go out and buy another one. And yes.. the weight is a game changer.. I pick it up with one hand while it's open like it's nothing.
My Asus Zenbook 14 that only cost me a bit over $500 has way better build quality. The flex and key quality on these LGs is something I'd only call acceptable on a bottom tier budget model from Dell, HP, etc.
@Bzake It can be light without that amount of keyboard flex. A couple plastic support posts between the mobo and battery would massively reduce flex with no discernible weight increase. And there is just no excuse at all for the key height and force differences. That is just 100% shoddy QA.
@@qers Gram is all about being light. You have to make compromises like the light, fast, cheap triangle. There are constraints and the old LG grams don't feel rock solid because they want them to be light.
I believe it’s more business focused. I’ve traveled a ton for work, and have seen many call centers who have laptops and docks Kensington locked to the desk.
often public offices use them like the dmv as an example. also stores ofc use them. they propably cost like 3 cent the manufacturer at this point. not much of a feature for private citizens
I've used it at work (I teach at a language school), not many times though. It's been more of a safety precaution when there are training sessions, and a bunch of people going in and out.
I still have my 2018 Gram, and still love it (first time I've ever kept a laptop for four years). It, like this one, was overpriced, but it hit the sweet spot for what I wanted to prioritize (lightest weight possible, great battery life, and expandable memory and storage). I'm kind of glad that LG hasn't really improved on the original Gram, because my temptation to shell out the inflated amount of money they want for the new ones to replace my trusty 2018 is non-existent. Thanks LG.
same for me, an amazing decision my back thanks while carrying it every single day to university without a worry in my mind. These are laptops that are meant to be carried, to perform basic tasks (I even use it for lightroom, adobe illustrator, play some light games no problem), have a good battery life, decent screen and decent trackpad. 4 years and going, no need for any upgrade in the close future, maybe only a battery replacement down the line.
Actually that portable monitor is amazing and probably the coolest thing on that table. I have it. Crazy bright, 16inch 16:10 aspect ratio, good colours, there's practically nothing else on the market that can match it. I pair it with my MacBook Pro 16 and I have a two monitor workstation that fits in a single laptop sleeve. It's 🔥 Edit: Just got to the end and realised that they did get to it. Since they don't know, I'll tell you, it's practically unmatched in terms of specs and the pricing is very reasonable for what it is. Most portable monitors are dim, require two cables, have weak colours and nearly all of them are smaller and have a standard aspect ratio. It's practically a unicorn. For people always in an office they probably don't understand what a godsend that product is for anyone who travels a lot but it's easily my favourite tech purchase in the last 10 years
(To be fair, my work bought my MacBook, the MacBook Pro 14 & 16 with M1 are pretty much painfully perfect. As a Linux fanboy I like to hate Apple and Microsoft both so I find it distressing how much I love that laptop)
The gram+ view is nice, but I found a deal on Aliexpress with better specs and pricing. 16" 2560x1600 @ 130Hz for around ~$80... BOE 16" 165Hz capable panels with sRGB 100%. I ended up buying two. Using them now and they're great.
@@thomgizziz Mate I have 4 computers, 1 is Chromebook with Linux Dev environment, 1 runs popos, the other runs manjaro. only 1 is a Mac and I didn't pay for it, it's my work laptop. Chill
4 mins in and I already appreciate the tiny details the editor put in in this video. Also it's really fun to have another host drop in occassionally to give their input
I guess one of the best selling points of the Gram lineup - is the weight. Have you compared it to the other models with similar processors?! It’s very thin and lightweight. Even 17 inch model weighs like 1.4 kilos, or something. XPS 15 starts at like 2 kilos. In laptops that’s a very big difference! When you carry it around on a trip, or something - heavy laptops quickly become a really big inconvenience.
But Samsung Galaxy Book, HP Pavilion Aero and a couple of the Lenovo Slim models are nearly as light and all seem to have better build and better prices.
@@TonyMacina Yes, those are all quit good options as well. But LG Gram is at 1.3 kg for a 17 inch model (just double-checked, whereas for example Galaxy Book is slightly heavier at 15.6 inch model... LG's 15/6 model is 1.1 kg at a comparable price. HP's Aero - is a 13 inch laptop, hence battery size, screen size etc. If I was aiming at ultra-compact and lightweight - it would be a good option probably. Or Mac Book Air M2 is probably even a better one, regarding screen size and batter capacity to performance ratio! And weight aside yes, it comes down to personal preferences and available deals...
@@TonyMacina At 17 inches? No. If you value lightness above all then you are willing and required to make compromises. How is everybody surprised by this and just assume that another pound is fine for everybody. Just because your glasses work for you doesn't mean they work for everybody.
Alex is in high demand, but I love his shortcircuits always exactly what I want to know. And him and Horst have a fun dynamic. Please more of this!!! Lol
"we could sell these to the dumbasses that know jack sh*t about laptops!" and apparently everyone else goes "HELL YEAH THAT'S AN AMAZING IDEA! WOOHOO!"
Personally I like the fact that the screen is non-touch on the ones that aren't 2-in-1, it keeps the screen fingerprint free. On the 2-in-1 it works since you can use it in tablet mode. The external display seems to be priced the same as some 4k external displays while only being QHD.
To me, it doesn't make sense for laptops (at least mid to high end ones) to not be touch screen. If you don't wanna use it, then don't. But I know that that'll never be the case and its a way for manufacturers to charge $200 more for a $10 screen module. Just wish more laptops offered the choice. I've learned to love the touchscreen feature on mine. It gets used more than my touchpad, especially when book keeping, spreadsheets, etc.
Yeah keeps them fingerprint free, unless you touch it which people tend to do. Also you could just not touch the touch screen if you don't like fingerprints. All you are trying to do is put a general negative in a positive category to satiate some desire to reinforce your bias about touchscreens. The only practical reason not to have one is price and weight everything else is just you feeling instead of thinking.
Getting backups to claims from the lab makes this video very valuable. Having both pieces of data (measured key variance and subjective experience) side by side helps make better informed decisions.
The objective and subjective conclusions on macbook keyboards are mostly positive. I hate them. So those observations are completely useless for me and there are many others like me. Things like keyboards are heavily subject to personal preference and taking a reviewers word on how it feels is usually a bad idea. Also keyboard feel is usually blow out of proportion just to reinforce preconceived biases for or against a preferred brand it usually isn't a deal breaker.
I remember getting an LG Gram two years ago and returning it just after a week due to the horrible speakers. They were so bad, so tinny, and had such a low volume that I felt like i needed to always use headphones. Nowadays I daily drive a MacBook Pro, in part, because of the speakers.
I never realized how awful 99% of laptop speakers were until I got a MacBook. Now I take it for granted and whenever I hear any of my friends' Windows laptops I have to really try and not laugh out loud. I just don't understand how Windows laptops are so bad in this regard, surely some decent speakers can't be that hard to figure out and implement into their larger chassis. My phone has better speakers than my gf's massive gaming laptop, and when the fans are cranked they're inaudible.
@@PerplexedPhoton There are some decent ones. The XPS coming to mind. Lenovo has had some that were decent. But to this day the Macbook is still the standard
@@PerplexedPhoton It's not a priority for most laptops. Especially for the really large ones (where one would thing the space means it comes for free). I had a ThinkPad P70 once and one lf the few things I did was put one of my favorite songs, cranked it up, and... was terribly disappointed in how shit it was, even compared to some mid-level laptops from some friends. Used headphones afterwards even at home. MacBook Pro is the gold standard, but there's still some other laptops like the XPS line that do a decent job. The real trick though is not to care about the laptops speakers to the point where you overspent, just get a Bluetooth speaker.
@@PerplexedPhoton It's really suprising that my Asus AMD Advantage Gaming Laptop has really good speaker that's easily comparable to Macbook. Gaming laptops have bad reputation about having bad sound and display but it completely destroys that notion with it's 100% DCIP-3 1440p 165Hz display and damn great sound, despite being cheaper than it's competetors.
It's really cool how the writers can now just send off hardware to LTT labs for testing, meaning they can focus more on just USING the device and giving us the rundown on the UX. It's like combining what's great about MKBHD with what's great about Hardware Unboxed.
And what is your personal problem with windows modern standby? You don't really have one do you? You heard somebody talk about it and you just went with what they said because you are being led around with nary an orginal thought in your head.
How do you compare the flexibility of the chassis of a 1kg laptop to a 2kg chunk of aluminum that costs twice the price? (they hiked the price but anyway the point about the price stands) I have a Gram from 2019 (in part I followed your recommendation and it was a great choice for me). The screen is wobbly and the flexibility of the chassis is noticeable if you try, but both aspects that don't affect me once I've begin to work on the thing because it really doesn't affect the usability. Those aspects could improve but I don't think is a logic comparison. It's a shame that they fucked up the new versions.
These videos are just top notch in quality now. The video editing, the sponsors, scripting... everything is amazing in these videos now. Linus and team has done a great job!
The Gram's main selling point in my opinion (I own a 2019 13" model) is that it weighs almost nothing. yes it flexes, but mine weighs 2 to 2.5 lbs, has a beautiful touch screen, fantastic trackpad, has 2 NVME slots and amazing battery life, etc. and it's so incredibly light that I was able to bring it onto Military airplanes and watch movies and stuff in C-130's, C-17's for long across the globe flights where I'm sitting in a cargo net seat. I can hold it up with two fingers while I'm squirming around in that shitty seat trying to get comfortable. I can charge it using a pretty lightweight portable battery pack. I can watch shows in bed with it on my chest and have no uncomfortable oppressive weight. I LOVE my gram. It weighs half as much as all the 13" apple laptops I've ever held and it doesn't have stupid sharp edges for no reason like the apple either.
So the main selling point is that it suits your very niched needs for a laptop where you for example don’t even use the crappy speakers cus you can’t hear them anyway? Screen, battery life and trackpad is still better on a macbook.
I bought this and it's really nice actually. You can comfortably pick it up by one corner thanks to the light-weight magnesium construction. It's super light and portable for a 17incher, has a ton of ports compared to most other laptops these days. The only thing that lets it down is win11 which will have to shape up pretty quickly or it's getting replaced by Linux mint.
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@@mmmhorsesteaks just arrived last night so I'm going to test alll the hardware to make sure it works and I don't have to rma it and then install archlinux on it
the arch installation process is Not For the Faint Of Heart, but I usually used a Ubuntu derived distro like Mint on my various work laptops over the years and have had good experiences with it. feel free to DM me with any questions
These super shiny, super reflective lacquer surfaces look super cool - for approximately 10 seconds till it comes into contact with anything even slightly greasy leaving fingerprints and smears. Or, God forbid, anything made of metal or harder plastic leaving super obvious scratches.
spreadsheet guy here, with an older gram (11th gen intel): got it at costco for 800 bucks, 16gb ram, 512gb hdd. 1080p and no touch screen, iris xe graphics. Its served well enough - feel like its the toyota corolla of laptops. Biggest issue i have is that lg is a small vendor and documentation is lacking. I daily drive a desktop and use the laptop as an auxiliary item
You now can get the 32GB 1TB SSD for around 1200€, while to have an equivalent at Dell it's more like 2200€. So despite their little issues, these are definitely interesting.
I snagged a Yoga 7i 16 inch with the 1200H + 370 ARC GPU, 16gb ram, 512gb NVME, 100W charger, 99WH battery. $1,500 CAD, was in Apple ecosystem for 35 years, never been happier.
I watched this on my lg gram 17in 2021. I just got it for little over 800 Sunday. i7, 512gb. I'm really liking it so far. Huge screen, super light, nice display. I think I even watched the last video they did a few days ago, lol.
I love the honest and direct instruction you gave at the end of the review: don't by it if it's not on sale. That's all I needed to know about this laptop. Thank you for saving my time and money! 😊
Thanks for the heads up. I nearly bought that Gram. Having said that, the feature that you ignore on that laptop is weight. It is only 2.5 lbs. If your traveling with a laptop weight is far far more important than we ever realize until you do haul your laptop around for a few weeks.
Yeah the laptop is great, amazing battery life, amazing display and light. Tbf Idc about weight at all I always carry massive textbooks but the matter and performance is great.
My brother has the 17" and loves it. Great battery life and the CPU is awesome. Its weight is so light that you think its empty on the inside. Its not perfect, but I think it fills a niche. We ended up putting liquid metal on it got 20% more CPU performance for free.
@@Tawmii91 People pay for lightness. You dont have the same product if you add more weight to it. It is clear you want something else which is fine. But if you had it your way all the laptops would be the same and you'd feel that is great and be confused that other people want something different.
@@thomgizziz I don’t disagree with you, pay a premium for lightness if that suits you. Majority of people seems to agree thou (considering this comment section, reviews and that LG them self discounts the price of the product soon after release) that the build quality and trade of for lightness
@@Tawmii91To be fair, I dont think the build quality is necessarily all that bad. The inside of the laptop is rather hollow so it makes sense that it would flex the way it does and of course the material used. But it’s passed military graded drop tests so I’d believe that the build quality is rather decent
We picked up one of the 16" Grams for my wife about a month ago. It was a Costco model and I forget the exact specs. $1,100 after $400 off. As soon as we got it out of the box I was unimpressed with the build. I understand that a big feature of the product is how thin and light it is, but it felt like a prop. There were two real deal breakers that lead us to take it back. The first is that it has zero ability to game. We picked up Valheim the same day we got this and my 11 year old desktop wiped the floor with the Gram. With no discreet GPU my expectations were low, but it really was awful. The second thing we disliked was that the Gram ran super hot. The area above the F keys on the keyboard was extremely hot under zero load. We returned the Gram and bought a Lenovo Legion 5 with a 3050 Ti for the same price. I'm not sure what LG is thinking with their pricing or with the general quality of these laptops. I would encourage anybody to pass on this generation.
The prices might look better when they are on sale. They are probably not meant to be sold full price and a 30-40% off could trick uninformed buyers. 🤷🏻♂️
Lightweight machines can be great, but not when it comes at the cost of nearly everything else. These things have terrible performance across the board at a premium price. I can only imagine they'll be heavily discounted in the near future so people will think they're getting a $2k laptop for $1.2k.
I think the main problem is that they opted for the much higher TDP P-series chips this gen to keep up with other brands that use beefier (and heavier) cooling, should have stayed with the U-series. I have both and while I can live with the new model it does run hotter and louder than last years model/gen.
Frankly, if you’re going for a lightweight machine around $1000, it makes absolutely no sense not to just grab a MacBook. What kind of serious work will you be doing on a Gram anyways? The best thing I ever did for my sanity was switch my parents to Apple devices tbh.
You mean the light thing that is lighter than you feel it should be feels lighter than it should be? Im shocked... and you were unimpressed with how it felt lighter and more unsubstantial than a heavier laptop would be? Why?
Saying that the Macbook is on another price level when even the cheapest Macbook Air (the $899 old one) has built quality that shits all over these LG Grams is a bit weird. The deck flex and other small issues are an absolute no go for a laptop that costs 1500 bucks.
Have the last gen Gram17 and love it. Very portable, great battery, nice typing, good ports, fast. Downsides? Screen reflections can be annoying and it would be nice to have media controls on the keyboard, but hardly dealbreakers.
I just can't get over why people spend over $2000 on a laptop that doesn't even have a gpu...you can do confrence calls and spreadsheets on a $500 laptop and be more than fine...I just could not bring myself to do it, no matter how nice of a screen and trackpad it has!
Pretty much. The only reason I feel a laptop should even reach over $1.5k is because its super security focused and has tons of features to protect your data. I've been using a $500 Lenovo Flex 14 with a Ryzen 5, 12GB of RAM and I upgraded the WiFi card and storage. Apart from the battery losing capacity, its been going super strong for almost three years with me now. I really don't see any reason why I would need to own a super expensive laptop considering the specs are not really that different to mine.
It's all about the peripherals and build quality. I think that a good comparison would be why people spend more money on expensive peripherals on desktops although cheap ones can do just fine and the specs don't change - It's all about the better experience. Similarly, there's value to buying a more expensive laptop that is thin and light, better battery life (excellent for portability), better build quality, is more repairable due to standardised parts (especially true for business laptops), has a better keyboard and trackpad, better speakers, better display, and/or a better webcam. All these features may not improve the specs, but they can improve the laptop experience more drastically than a spec bump will. That being said, I'd still be hesitant about spending over $2000 on a laptop, especially one like this that lacks so many features, when you can get a macbook or even a windows laptop competitior that does all of the above better at a much lower price like $899.
@@huaen8880 I completely understand spending a little more to get something that isn't complete trash and has a good battery...But I feel like when you buy better peripherals and upgrades for a desktop you actually get your moneys worth most of the time...at the end of the day if you send $2000 on a laptop, it might be nice but it's still a laptop...Most of the laptop users I know use external mouse and keyboard anyway unless they are on the road...I just feel like the price for what you get out of a high end consumer laptop just isn't worth it...If you are buying a gaming laptop with a 3080 or something for $2000 then I can kind of understand it, but spending that kind of money just for making zoom calls and google docs and not even having a DGPU or only getting 3050 is absolutely crazy to me
@@brucepreston3927 It's extremely valuable if you're doing tons of work on a laptop and are frequently moving around. If you're just gaming with your laptop at home and only bring your laptop out occasionally (which is the vast majority of people), it's probably more worth it to invest in good external peripherals. However, for professionals, students, and other people with the above workflows, it's absolutely worth it to spend extra money for all the above benefits. It's far more valuable to have a light, powerful laptop with great battery life and an excellent keyboard and trackpad than to have a good gpu but a very heavy laptop with poor battery life, build quality and peripherals (gaming laptops) when you're lugging it around to classes every day or travelling around often.
@@huaen8880 That's true. And here I come in again to mention my Flex 14. It's light, portable, it's a 2in1, came with a digital pen and everything. They keyboard is good, and the trackpad is decent enough to be usable in a pinch, but I've always hated track pads with a passion so I have a $25 Logitech G305 with me at all times. Again, it only cost me $500 brand new and I can do literally everything I need it to. I'm a school teacher, so I carry it around all the time and I'm constantly working on it. My only complaint is the battery life but I have to be fair and remember I've been abusing it for quite a while now. Lenovo still offers parts and service for it too, so I can just buy and replace the battery myself if I need to.
I bought two of the LG Gram + Views for my XPS 17 when I'm traveling to mimic my 49" ultra wide at home. A bit bougee, I know, but they're pretty toight and handy.
Coincidentally just purchases the 2-in1 for a an older user in a corp environment. It was one of the only machines I thought of when he stated his requirements: 17 inch screen, light, and a 2-in-1. He's older, hence the larger screen request and travels a lot hence the lightweight + 2-in-1 requirement (cramped space in airplanes). Hopefully he likes it despite its shortcomings.
@@DanielAbernathy it can’t properly scale 1080p and 4k displays. Also, the non pro ones (including the 13 inch M1/2 Pro) can’t do more than one monitor.
@@whenhen the built-in scaling has always worked for me on 4k monitors - so I wouldn't say it can't "properly" scale so much as it doesn't fit everyone's preferences.
Horst has been such a good addition to LMG, even for channels that aren't his (that being said MA is a great channel and honestly the first really worthy addition to LMG since LTT, it doesn't feel like a "side channel" compared to the others)
I went through about 5 of these laptops last year - some had keyboard inconsistencies (the shift key would run on one of the edges). Also I ran into issues with the sleep functions (windows 10) where the new network card would randomly wake the computer and it would stay idling while closed. I needed to change the function of closing the laptop from sleep to hibernate to fix this.
I was really surprised by how expensive these things are. Macbooks aside since they have their own issues too, i wonder why people wouldn't just buy a business class laptop at this point for that price. I mean you can get an elitebook, thinkpad or latitude in a very nice form-factor for that price.
i got a thinkpad last year for 1200 euro, it has its issues (meh display, speakers) but just seeing this video im sure its a lot better to use than these. at least feels solid and still best keyboard to type on.
I guess LG is putting a premium price on the lightweight aspect of these machines, even if in doing so they've created other issues (looking at you deck flex...). I personally don't put much value on the weight of a laptop, but some people might find it valuable.
@@bencze465 yeah exactly, the business class laptops have a build quality that typically is much better than what you can get in most of the consumer market.
They key with LG Gram is to always buy last year's model when they're on stupid clearance sales. Got myself a 2021 Gram 17, i7, 16GB, 500GB (Upgraded to 2 x 500GB) for $1150. This is with Indian taxes so US equivalent would be like $850 or so. For a large 17 inch 16:10 color accurate display, it's freaking amazing pricing. This 17 inch laptop only weighs 1.3kg. You really can't beat that.
LG gram 2021 and Gram 2022 are selling at almost same price. Gram 2022 always have about 30-35 discount, even introductory price also had about 30% discount. The price difference between 2021 and 2022 is less than 100$ on amazon India. I bought 2021 model because I read reviews that 2022 model runs really hot. The price difference wasn't an issue for me. Weight, display, heat and noise mgmt and battery capacity(though battery is degrading fast) are good everything else is less than satisfactory.
@@chetan_naik Fair enough. I bought my 2021 gram when 2022 hadn't launched yet. About heat, there's some black tape thing inside blocking the direct airflow for some reason. I removed that and the heat is down significantly. It's a bit of a mod, but it got my temps down significantly and I quite like the size, weight and performance of this thing. It's a great laptop for Linux. The selling point for me personally was 17 inch screen on a 1.3kg weight. I have separate SSDs for Linux and Windows. I'm fairly happy with what I have personally. I switched from M1 Macbook Pro where 8GB RAM wasn't cutting it for me.
You were spot on. I bought one of these 2022 grams, and sure enough the keyboard crapped out within the first hour!!! Only half the space key worked! Sure does seem the cut corners.
Cmon now! the LG Gram has been on sale almost every other week for since release!. Often at $1000 with 16GB RAM, 16, 17, and 2-in-1. Agree with your review at MSRP, but we all know except Apple, and less extent XPS, most PC are on a regular sale cycle. Why are you comparing to laptops that weight 2x as much??? LG Gram is very clear in their marketing-- its the NAME of their computer!
Wow, Alex went from "screw modern standby, I'm going MacBook!" to "screw Apple incompatibilities/limitations, give me back my Windows laptops!" in about a week and a half! Goes to show that Apple computers really are... _something_ else! 😂 Maybe Linux could be the savior. He should try the framework. 🤔
Objectively, having a mac user judging a keyboard is like having a starving person judging a meal. Anything is better than an apple keyboard (or a macbook keyboard).
And this is why I keep buying XPS models. They're just so solid for the money, and even if Dell chat is annoying, I can still have the laptop under warranty with next-day support for like 5 years. And before you go, "OMG fix it yourself" maybe look up the cost of parts and realize that at $100-120 a year for the warranty, I could barely replace anything for parts alone at that price, let alone something like the display or the main board shitting itself.
Really bummed that the only one with a touch screen is the 2 in 1. I really love my current Gram 13 with a touch screen but the new 2 in 1 is way larger than I'd like, and I don't love how flimsy the hinges for 2 in 1's typically feel.
Which 2 in 1s are you using? Most of them feel as good as normal hinges unless you have been trying to break them or something and have some insight I don't have.
Gotta love how they complain about the paper being environmentally unfriendly and 5 minutes later suggest trashing laptops over minor keyboard defects. Real consistent there guys.
I have the LG Gram + View. It's a REALLY nice 16:10 external display. Very nice for working remotely IMO. Way better than any other portable monitor I've ever used.
What are your thoughts on the durability of the monitor? I just bought it and am deciding whether or not to keep it. Haven't been able to find too many reviews on the monitor! How much do you travel with it, and have you found that the back of the monitor scratches easily?
I was shopping for an lg gram for my wife because I remember the past models glowing reviews on LTT and this channel. But then I found the Galaxy Book2 Pro was thinner and lighter with exactly the same specs but with an AMOLED and at a lower price, so that sold me. She loves it.
@@DoctorNemmo I have had samsung laptops that have lasted a decade and a macbook that lasted a few months. You dont even say you had a samsung laptop just samsung products and then inserted your personal experience. If they were all lasting only 2 years and then dying then they probably wouldnt be successful calling your claims into question.
@@thomgizziz I liked a lot my Samsung Note II but eventually it died. I bought the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet back in 2014, but then the display started failing. I bought a Samsung Smart TV four years ago: none of the smart features work these days because they don't update apps anymore (had to install a Roku). I have a Gear S3 watch that can't connect to my Android phone because the Galaxy Gear app sucks. My dad's S7 tablet is barely usable because it became sooo slow. I stopped buying Samsung stuff for all those reasons. So that's my experience so far... I'm not buying a Samsung laptop anytime soon. I'm happy with my Microsoft Surface.
So what I'm guessing from this is... it's not very good, but the displays are? Kind of unsurprised at the last bit given LG make most of the panels you see out in the wild.
fair enough, but the quality of this laptop so bad I don't know how they price it so high when other laptops are way better at equal or lower price points. It's like they didn't bother to do any market research before launching this thing.
@@CliffordChang-v8c I guess not caring about whatever else is on the market and pricing your products borderline arbitrarily is a... strategy, of a sort.
I love the story going from "in my opinion, the keyboard is terrible" over "actually it is my subjective perspective and it is not so bad " to "I WAS RIGHT IT IS TERRIBLE AND I CAN PROVE IT" The new Lab is a real treat for consumer decision making, because i actually thought "maybe Alex has really high standards" and now i know it is objectively justified
seems like horst types on some horrible keyboards and just got used to it :P
@@iHasCaek I mean Apple had their butterfly keyboard fiasco for several years... lol. Keyboards also imo have always been one of Apple's weak points. For machines that always are top-notch with hardware user-interface (speakers, screens, touchpad, etc) their keyboards have always been disappointing.
@@iHasCaek He lives the sims 2 life
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No-no, he specifically said
"the keyboard sound from The Sims One (1)"
with the accompanying video-clip from the game and sounds.
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@@nicka5040 imo the butterfly keyboard itself was actually great. It was nice to type on, felt well etc.
Its only issue was simply that it had TERRIBLE durability. That was a gigantic issue that they never were able to fix but the typing experience by itself was great imo.
7:39
Alex: "The problem is that as I press different keys some of them are terrible, like u"
Me: 😞
hahaawwww
No no no… not me, U
Happy someone else noticed
Meme classic right there :D
Same :D
yup, exactly my experience with keyboard - TERRIBLE. It is good to know that these guys are actually care about telling the legit experience - not selling the crap. Thank you!
I wouldnt say it is like that all the time. Sometimes they dont do their research too much to the point where they dont even bother and just dont point it out
@PrimePixel because this is supposed to be a unbox / first impression channel?
İ have a 2018 gram and love it.
@@Gamer-nc8qp I use to have Gram 17" 2019 - it was great except keyboard and touchpad. Unfortunatelly after some time some keys pretty much stopped working. Now I'm using Dell XPS and it is completely different story - there's really no comparison where it comes to quality of the keyboard and touchpad.
@@SuperMelon2008 The Dell XPS is deff a good one...I hate using most laptops but my girl has an XPS and I don't mind using it when I have to...
Linus looks and sounds more like alex everyday
Yeah ik right ,..I thought so too
Or Alex is the real Linus?
East Coast Canadians are infectious 😈
They're merging into one
Linex tech tips
The speaker comparison with the MacBook was hilarious.
TWENTY ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.......I could buy a top-spec Asus G14 on deep discount (happens 6 months after reaching shelves every year) and a RTX 4060 to upgrade my eGPU box or a decent 27-inch 144hz 4K monitor with $100 left over for bunch of LTTstore accessories.
@@handlemonium ouch that’s a pretty brutal comparison, even throw in a MX master and you’re still under
@@handlemonium So you could buy 3 things instead of the laptop you actually want to buy? Macbooks are just better these days.
sure but who ever uses speakers on the laptop ...ever? Could not care less about the speakers.. what is inexcusable however for that price is the horrible build quality and screen ..
@@JudaZuk_ speakers are a must have
How does Jonathan survive at LTT 🤣🤣
How is it called?
I looked and could not spot it
@@SuSa13182 "am I becoming an Apple hater ?" or something close to that if I remember correctly
@@hebbocake isn't that his job tho? He runs an apple specific channel
@@hebbocake thats why they hired him lol. wouldn't say he is a clown though, he seems like a good dude.
Johnathon is a Fanboy. So he just turns up his fan at the burns. :-)
I'd pay $1000 to see Alex in a full contact karate match with Horst
I feel like Horst would get karate-chopped in half. I'm not saying Alex looks incredibly strong, just that Horst looks incredibly fragile
Need a full LLT staff kumite like in Bloodsport!!! Floatplane exclusive!!!
-looks at his bank acc- I'd pay $250. If Dwayne Johnson was the referee then i'm willing to drop $1250 in total. If DJ and Steve Austin coached them in Karate, which will be hilarious, I'd have to see how much I have at that point of time and just drop it all.
These laptops look like they’re 650 dollar laptops at bestbuy.
STOP hating Jonathan 😡😡😡
Their black friday pricing should be the normal pricing because of how atrocious those prices are
I'm sorta betting that's their intent. Price high to bring price down for sales (looks like a great deal! I'll take 8!) .. Then after the suckers have been had, drop the pricing.
@@fl4shb4ckGaming thats actually genius
At costco this laptop is 1200 dollars usually
Personally, I think even their Black Friday prices are too high - considering the specs and apparent build quality. If I’m paying over $1000 for a laptop, they should at least have a dedicated GPU or a high end CPU. Something. Not an i5 with no GPU, basic specs for RAM and storage, and that deck flex … ugh.
My laptop was around $700. 5th gen Ryzen 7, 16GB of upgradable RAM, 500GB of upgradable storage, touchscreen, loud ass B&O speaker system …
@@StolenJoker84 HP?
Truly one of the titles of all time
factual
yeeeeeeessssssssssss
Overplayed and unoriginal meme comment. The title is all around better than your hack job.
I just have to comment on this. I have an LG Gram 17 - 11gen i7 model. I think it's the 2021 model. I bought it on sale from Costco for about $1300 out the door with tax. I'm a software engineer and I figured I'd give it a try and take it back if I didn't like it. I love it! The keyboard is fine. The screen is gloss and wish it was matt like the newer Grams (but it's not a deal breaker -- you just adjust the screen angle). I've been using it daily for about 12 months -- no issues. The battery routinely lasts around 6 hours of continuous use. The speakers are not very loud. The CPU is plenty fast for productivity and some light gaming (Diablo3, Valorant). And I'm gaming on the battery! It came with a 500gb high speed NVMe SSD and I added another 980gb NVMe SSD for less than $100 to the second drive slot. If this machine dies and I can't fix it.. I'll immediately go out and buy another one. And yes.. the weight is a game changer.. I pick it up with one hand while it's open like it's nothing.
Facts
So over the top drama & awful review I just watched. I think yours is more reasonable. Thanks
@@fabz1509 Yes, it is dramatic for that price. I bought mine Gram 17 for 900 euros a year ago. Great PC for the price...
8:04 I love these types of easter eggs. Props to you, editor of this video.
Man that build quality is something I'd expect out of $600 so a "from $1500" msrp is pretty shocking.
My $600 2 in 1 has significantly better build quality than that. It's embarrassing LG let this out of their factory at all.
My Asus Zenbook 14 that only cost me a bit over $500 has way better build quality. The flex and key quality on these LGs is something I'd only call acceptable on a bottom tier budget model from Dell, HP, etc.
I've seen $200 chromebooks with better quality
@Bzake It can be light without that amount of keyboard flex. A couple plastic support posts between the mobo and battery would massively reduce flex with no discernible weight increase. And there is just no excuse at all for the key height and force differences. That is just 100% shoddy QA.
@@qers Gram is all about being light. You have to make compromises like the light, fast, cheap triangle. There are constraints and the old LG grams don't feel rock solid because they want them to be light.
Has anyone ever used a Kensington lock? Even in college I've never seen one used once but every laptop seems to have it.
I believe it’s more business focused. I’ve traveled a ton for work, and have seen many call centers who have laptops and docks Kensington locked to the desk.
often public offices use them like the dmv as an example. also stores ofc use them. they propably cost like 3 cent the manufacturer at this point. not much of a feature for private citizens
I've used it at work (I teach at a language school), not many times though. It's been more of a safety precaution when there are training sessions, and a bunch of people going in and out.
I've seen it a lot in business settings as well, but not consumer space, even in schools.
Saw it being used at DHL
I still have my 2018 Gram, and still love it (first time I've ever kept a laptop for four years). It, like this one, was overpriced, but it hit the sweet spot for what I wanted to prioritize (lightest weight possible, great battery life, and expandable memory and storage). I'm kind of glad that LG hasn't really improved on the original Gram, because my temptation to shell out the inflated amount of money they want for the new ones to replace my trusty 2018 is non-existent. Thanks LG.
same for me, an amazing decision my back thanks while carrying it every single day to university without a worry in my mind. These are laptops that are meant to be carried, to perform basic tasks (I even use it for lightroom, adobe illustrator, play some light games no problem), have a good battery life, decent screen and decent trackpad. 4 years and going, no need for any upgrade in the close future, maybe only a battery replacement down the line.
I still want a new one, nothing wrong with mine from 2019. It's working great. I know it will be great and I don't want any other laptop
I love how even without headphones, you can tell how drastic the difference between the Macbook and the Gram’s speakers 😂
I'm wearing bone conduction headphones and I could tell the difference was night and day.
Yeah, I'm watching this on the built in speakers on my 9 year old thinkpad and I could tell the drastic difference...
Would a gram user be able to tell the difference while watching this video on the gram😅
@@JingkaiKuang well, I am on my Gram, but I don't want to disconnect my bluetooth neckband 🤣
Actually that portable monitor is amazing and probably the coolest thing on that table. I have it. Crazy bright, 16inch 16:10 aspect ratio, good colours, there's practically nothing else on the market that can match it. I pair it with my MacBook Pro 16 and I have a two monitor workstation that fits in a single laptop sleeve. It's 🔥
Edit: Just got to the end and realised that they did get to it. Since they don't know, I'll tell you, it's practically unmatched in terms of specs and the pricing is very reasonable for what it is. Most portable monitors are dim, require two cables, have weak colours and nearly all of them are smaller and have a standard aspect ratio. It's practically a unicorn. For people always in an office they probably don't understand what a godsend that product is for anyone who travels a lot but it's easily my favourite tech purchase in the last 10 years
(To be fair, my work bought my MacBook, the MacBook Pro 14 & 16 with M1 are pretty much painfully perfect. As a Linux fanboy I like to hate Apple and Microsoft both so I find it distressing how much I love that laptop)
The gram+ view is nice, but I found a deal on Aliexpress with better specs and pricing. 16" 2560x1600 @ 130Hz for around ~$80... BOE 16" 165Hz capable panels with sRGB 100%.
I ended up buying two. Using them now and they're great.
@@17arando Right. Pretending to be one kind of fanboi to actually fanboi about the thing you are a fanboi to give it more gravitas. SAD
@@joshuaeah I've never tried the AliExpress route, but if you got that kind of deal I'm about to change that
@@thomgizziz Mate I have 4 computers, 1 is Chromebook with Linux Dev environment, 1 runs popos, the other runs manjaro. only 1 is a Mac and I didn't pay for it, it's my work laptop. Chill
4 mins in and I already appreciate the tiny details the editor put in in this video. Also it's really fun to have another host drop in occassionally to give their input
If by "their input" you mean a fanboi rant that tries to excuse the shortcomings of a product they irrationally worship then okay, i guess.
I guess one of the best selling points of the Gram lineup - is the weight. Have you compared it to the other models with similar processors?!
It’s very thin and lightweight. Even 17 inch model weighs like 1.4 kilos, or something.
XPS 15 starts at like 2 kilos.
In laptops that’s a very big difference! When you carry it around on a trip, or something - heavy laptops quickly become a really big inconvenience.
But Samsung Galaxy Book, HP Pavilion Aero and a couple of the Lenovo Slim models are nearly as light and all seem to have better build and better prices.
I can imagine for someone who does air travel alot it might be worth it
@@TonyMacina Yes, those are all quit good options as well. But LG Gram is at 1.3 kg for a 17 inch model (just double-checked, whereas for example Galaxy Book is slightly heavier at 15.6 inch model... LG's 15/6 model is 1.1 kg at a comparable price.
HP's Aero - is a 13 inch laptop, hence battery size, screen size etc. If I was aiming at ultra-compact and lightweight - it would be a good option probably. Or Mac Book Air M2 is probably even a better one, regarding screen size and batter capacity to performance ratio!
And weight aside yes, it comes down to personal preferences and available deals...
@@TonyMacina At 17 inches? No. If you value lightness above all then you are willing and required to make compromises. How is everybody surprised by this and just assume that another pound is fine for everybody.
Just because your glasses work for you doesn't mean they work for everybody.
This is point
Alex is in high demand, but I love his shortcircuits always exactly what I want to know. And him and Horst have a fun dynamic. Please more of this!!! Lol
I wouldn't pay $1000 for this. What were they thinking?
"we could sell these to the dumbasses that know jack sh*t about laptops!" and apparently everyone else goes "HELL YEAH THAT'S AN AMAZING IDEA! WOOHOO!"
I’d maybe pay $300 for this. Although, even chromebooks at that price have working keyboards.
@@LeftJoystick well come on, 300$ is less than what you'd pay for that screen and the storage alone.
That said, anything above 800$ is thievery.
@@Anankin12 I can find Ryzen 7 laptop from asus for as cheap as $500. This laptop literally got no place in the market.
@@cfilorvyls457 ryzen 7 from what generation tho
Also where, I need one
I never think I've really seen Horst and Alex interact one to one but it works really really well, please try that out more often
Personally I like the fact that the screen is non-touch on the ones that aren't 2-in-1, it keeps the screen fingerprint free. On the 2-in-1 it works since you can use it in tablet mode. The external display seems to be priced the same as some 4k external displays while only being QHD.
To me, it doesn't make sense for laptops (at least mid to high end ones) to not be touch screen. If you don't wanna use it, then don't. But I know that that'll never be the case and its a way for manufacturers to charge $200 more for a $10 screen module. Just wish more laptops offered the choice. I've learned to love the touchscreen feature on mine. It gets used more than my touchpad, especially when book keeping, spreadsheets, etc.
@@fl4shb4ckGaming honestly this. I'm looking for a new laptop right now and a touchscreen is a MUST
Yeah keeps them fingerprint free, unless you touch it which people tend to do. Also you could just not touch the touch screen if you don't like fingerprints.
All you are trying to do is put a general negative in a positive category to satiate some desire to reinforce your bias about touchscreens. The only practical reason not to have one is price and weight everything else is just you feeling instead of thinking.
I was blown away when he said $2,100 but was even more blown away when he shows you the insane chassis wobbling
Anyone can make a heavy, rigid, unshakable keyboard.
LG is not a fool.
This is an attempt to make the screen bigger and lighter like a cell phone.
It's less than 1 kg. Hard to make a sturdy chassis at that weight.
@@AchiragChiragg magnesium alloy with stands at even intervals
Getting backups to claims from the lab makes this video very valuable. Having both pieces of data (measured key variance and subjective experience) side by side helps make better informed decisions.
The objective and subjective conclusions on macbook keyboards are mostly positive. I hate them. So those observations are completely useless for me and there are many others like me. Things like keyboards are heavily subject to personal preference and taking a reviewers word on how it feels is usually a bad idea. Also keyboard feel is usually blow out of proportion just to reinforce preconceived biases for or against a preferred brand it usually isn't a deal breaker.
I remember getting an LG Gram two years ago and returning it just after a week due to the horrible speakers. They were so bad, so tinny, and had such a low volume that I felt like i needed to always use headphones. Nowadays I daily drive a MacBook Pro, in part, because of the speakers.
if only they would be an option to run with windows or linux
I never realized how awful 99% of laptop speakers were until I got a MacBook. Now I take it for granted and whenever I hear any of my friends' Windows laptops I have to really try and not laugh out loud. I just don't understand how Windows laptops are so bad in this regard, surely some decent speakers can't be that hard to figure out and implement into their larger chassis. My phone has better speakers than my gf's massive gaming laptop, and when the fans are cranked they're inaudible.
@@PerplexedPhoton There are some decent ones. The XPS coming to mind. Lenovo has had some that were decent. But to this day the Macbook is still the standard
@@PerplexedPhoton It's not a priority for most laptops. Especially for the really large ones (where one would thing the space means it comes for free). I had a ThinkPad P70 once and one lf the few things I did was put one of my favorite songs, cranked it up, and... was terribly disappointed in how shit it was, even compared to some mid-level laptops from some friends. Used headphones afterwards even at home.
MacBook Pro is the gold standard, but there's still some other laptops like the XPS line that do a decent job.
The real trick though is not to care about the laptops speakers to the point where you overspent, just get a Bluetooth speaker.
@@PerplexedPhoton It's really suprising that my Asus AMD Advantage Gaming Laptop has really good speaker that's easily comparable to Macbook. Gaming laptops have bad reputation about having bad sound and display but it completely destroys that notion with it's 100% DCIP-3 1440p 165Hz display and damn great sound, despite being cheaper than it's competetors.
LG makes amazing high end TVs, but the build quality on these laptops is honestly horrifying. What the hell, guys.
It's really cool how the writers can now just send off hardware to LTT labs for testing, meaning they can focus more on just USING the device and giving us the rundown on the UX. It's like combining what's great about MKBHD with what's great about Hardware Unboxed.
Disappointed we didn't talk about Windows Modern Standby in this one. Overall, nice job Alex (and Jonathan)!
And what is your personal problem with windows modern standby? You don't really have one do you? You heard somebody talk about it and you just went with what they said because you are being led around with nary an orginal thought in your head.
@@thomgizziz hell are you on about
How do you compare the flexibility of the chassis of a 1kg laptop to a 2kg chunk of aluminum that costs twice the price? (they hiked the price but anyway the point about the price stands)
I have a Gram from 2019 (in part I followed your recommendation and it was a great choice for me).
The screen is wobbly and the flexibility of the chassis is noticeable if you try, but both aspects that don't affect me once I've begin to work on the thing because it really doesn't affect the usability. Those aspects could improve but I don't think is a logic comparison.
It's a shame that they fucked up the new versions.
bends the plastic face with excessive pressure then blames manufacturing for the keys getting stuck like that, ok, we believe you
These videos are just top notch in quality now. The video editing, the sponsors, scripting... everything is amazing in these videos now. Linus and team has done a great job!
"Some of them are terrible, like you" I feel so called out. 7:40
I like how they correct the size at 4:12, but when they show the IO at 4:18 onwards it says 15”, not 16”
"Some of the keys are terrible, like u"
Hey man, I'm trying my best out here, alright?!
The Gram's main selling point in my opinion (I own a 2019 13" model) is that it weighs almost nothing. yes it flexes, but mine weighs 2 to 2.5 lbs, has a beautiful touch screen, fantastic trackpad, has 2 NVME slots and amazing battery life, etc. and it's so incredibly light that I was able to bring it onto Military airplanes and watch movies and stuff in C-130's, C-17's for long across the globe flights where I'm sitting in a cargo net seat. I can hold it up with two fingers while I'm squirming around in that shitty seat trying to get comfortable. I can charge it using a pretty lightweight portable battery pack. I can watch shows in bed with it on my chest and have no uncomfortable oppressive weight. I LOVE my gram. It weighs half as much as all the 13" apple laptops I've ever held and it doesn't have stupid sharp edges for no reason like the apple either.
The way I use it I can't use the speakers anyway, so them being anemic doesn't matter. You can't hear any speakers over the engines of a C-17.
So the main selling point is that it suits your very niched needs for a laptop where you for example don’t even use the crappy speakers cus you can’t hear them anyway?
Screen, battery life and trackpad is still better on a macbook.
@@Tawmii91 nobody asked.
@@szlash280z exactly, and still you had to tell everybody about your niche military situation.
"Oh wow it's a laptop that will actually work with external displays"
That's a lotta damage
I bought this and it's really nice actually. You can comfortably pick it up by one corner thanks to the light-weight magnesium construction. It's super light and portable for a 17incher, has a ton of ports compared to most other laptops these days.
The only thing that lets it down is win11 which will have to shape up pretty quickly or it's getting replaced by Linux mint.
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bought it to run linux on it so I'm smooth sailing ;)
@@toatoa10 Splendid! Which distro if I may ask? Anything to remark about the installation process? I might have to make the switch as well...
@@mmmhorsesteaks just arrived last night so I'm going to test alll the hardware to make sure it works and I don't have to rma it and then install archlinux on it
the arch installation process is Not For the Faint Of Heart, but I usually used a Ubuntu derived distro like Mint on my various work laptops over the years and have had good experiences with it. feel free to DM me with any questions
I love how Horst always just pops in assesses what's going on gives a little quip and dips out haha
Yeah random is funny. Give more random. Ha ha funny.
These super shiny, super reflective lacquer surfaces look super cool - for approximately 10 seconds till it comes into contact with anything even slightly greasy leaving fingerprints and smears. Or, God forbid, anything made of metal or harder plastic leaving super obvious scratches.
Yep and some people actually like how it looks. Do you feel everybody has to like what you like or that your opinions are objective?
@@thomgizziz
I just said it's usually a pain in the ***. Are you triggered by that simple statement?
spreadsheet guy here, with an older gram (11th gen intel): got it at costco for 800 bucks, 16gb ram, 512gb hdd. 1080p and no touch screen, iris xe graphics. Its served well enough - feel like its the toyota corolla of laptops. Biggest issue i have is that lg is a small vendor and documentation is lacking. I daily drive a desktop and use the laptop as an auxiliary item
You now can get the 32GB 1TB SSD for around 1200€, while to have an equivalent at Dell it's more like 2200€. So despite their little issues, these are definitely interesting.
I snagged a Yoga 7i 16 inch with the 1200H + 370 ARC GPU, 16gb ram, 512gb NVME, 100W charger, 99WH battery. $1,500 CAD, was in Apple ecosystem for 35 years, never been happier.
I watched this on my lg gram 17in 2021. I just got it for little over 800 Sunday. i7, 512gb. I'm really liking it so far. Huge screen, super light, nice display. I think I even watched the last video they did a few days ago, lol.
Yep, seems he didn't do any research at all when he says they hadn't done anything since 2018 lol
(Not only is paper a renewable resource, it’s a renewable resource that helps the environment when it’s being renewed. Keep using paper)
I love the honest and direct instruction you gave at the end of the review: don't by it if it's not on sale. That's all I needed to know about this laptop. Thank you for saving my time and money! 😊
Thanks for the heads up. I nearly bought that Gram. Having said that, the feature that you ignore on that laptop is weight. It is only 2.5 lbs. If your traveling with a laptop weight is far far more important than we ever realize until you do haul your laptop around for a few weeks.
It has a big screen and the battery lasts a long time. And it's light. It's the best laptop ever.
Yeah the laptop is great, amazing battery life, amazing display and light. Tbf Idc about weight at all I always carry massive textbooks but the matter and performance is great.
My brother has the 17" and loves it. Great battery life and the CPU is awesome. Its weight is so light that you think its empty on the inside. Its not perfect, but I think it fills a niche. We ended up putting liquid metal on it got 20% more CPU performance for free.
Yes this is me
That deck flex makes it look freakin empty as well. Couple of 100grams in plastic for rigidity would have been a great trade of for that mushy mess.
@@Tawmii91 People pay for lightness. You dont have the same product if you add more weight to it. It is clear you want something else which is fine. But if you had it your way all the laptops would be the same and you'd feel that is great and be confused that other people want something different.
@@thomgizziz I don’t disagree with you, pay a premium for lightness if that suits you.
Majority of people seems to agree thou (considering this comment section, reviews and that LG them self discounts the price of the product soon after release) that the build quality and trade of for lightness
@@Tawmii91To be fair, I dont think the build quality is necessarily all that bad. The inside of the laptop is rather hollow so it makes sense that it would flex the way it does and of course the material used. But it’s passed military graded drop tests so I’d believe that the build quality is rather decent
Editors. I appreciate you. That keyboard clicking thing. Just, thank you for that
We picked up one of the 16" Grams for my wife about a month ago. It was a Costco model and I forget the exact specs. $1,100 after $400 off. As soon as we got it out of the box I was unimpressed with the build. I understand that a big feature of the product is how thin and light it is, but it felt like a prop. There were two real deal breakers that lead us to take it back. The first is that it has zero ability to game. We picked up Valheim the same day we got this and my 11 year old desktop wiped the floor with the Gram. With no discreet GPU my expectations were low, but it really was awful. The second thing we disliked was that the Gram ran super hot. The area above the F keys on the keyboard was extremely hot under zero load.
We returned the Gram and bought a Lenovo Legion 5 with a 3050 Ti for the same price. I'm not sure what LG is thinking with their pricing or with the general quality of these laptops. I would encourage anybody to pass on this generation.
The prices might look better when they are on sale. They are probably not meant to be sold full price and a 30-40% off could trick uninformed buyers. 🤷🏻♂️
Lightweight machines can be great, but not when it comes at the cost of nearly everything else. These things have terrible performance across the board at a premium price. I can only imagine they'll be heavily discounted in the near future so people will think they're getting a $2k laptop for $1.2k.
I think the main problem is that they opted for the much higher TDP P-series chips this gen to keep up with other brands that use beefier (and heavier) cooling, should have stayed with the U-series. I have both and while I can live with the new model it does run hotter and louder than last years model/gen.
Frankly, if you’re going for a lightweight machine around $1000, it makes absolutely no sense not to just grab a MacBook. What kind of serious work will you be doing on a Gram anyways? The best thing I ever did for my sanity was switch my parents to Apple devices tbh.
You mean the light thing that is lighter than you feel it should be feels lighter than it should be? Im shocked... and you were unimpressed with how it felt lighter and more unsubstantial than a heavier laptop would be? Why?
Ltt reviewing the LG gram and finding it sorely lacking and junk in comparison is like a yearly tradition at this point
LG doing the same mistake with the smartphones, too expensive for less. This laptop is like $900-1000 to me.
Saying that the Macbook is on another price level when even the cheapest Macbook Air (the $899 old one) has built quality that shits all over these LG Grams is a bit weird. The deck flex and other small issues are an absolute no go for a laptop that costs 1500 bucks.
"Vessi Footwear - it's not terrible." - Now, that's marketing money well spent!
DBrand needs to make some Vessi Footwear skins!
Have the last gen Gram17 and love it. Very portable, great battery, nice typing, good ports, fast.
Downsides? Screen reflections can be annoying and it would be nice to have media controls on the keyboard, but hardly dealbreakers.
I just can't get over why people spend over $2000 on a laptop that doesn't even have a gpu...you can do confrence calls and spreadsheets on a $500 laptop and be more than fine...I just could not bring myself to do it, no matter how nice of a screen and trackpad it has!
Pretty much. The only reason I feel a laptop should even reach over $1.5k is because its super security focused and has tons of features to protect your data.
I've been using a $500 Lenovo Flex 14 with a Ryzen 5, 12GB of RAM and I upgraded the WiFi card and storage. Apart from the battery losing capacity, its been going super strong for almost three years with me now. I really don't see any reason why I would need to own a super expensive laptop considering the specs are not really that different to mine.
It's all about the peripherals and build quality. I think that a good comparison would be why people spend more money on expensive peripherals on desktops although cheap ones can do just fine and the specs don't change - It's all about the better experience.
Similarly, there's value to buying a more expensive laptop that is thin and light, better battery life (excellent for portability), better build quality, is more repairable due to standardised parts (especially true for business laptops), has a better keyboard and trackpad, better speakers, better display, and/or a better webcam. All these features may not improve the specs, but they can improve the laptop experience more drastically than a spec bump will.
That being said, I'd still be hesitant about spending over $2000 on a laptop, especially one like this that lacks so many features, when you can get a macbook or even a windows laptop competitior that does all of the above better at a much lower price like $899.
@@huaen8880 I completely understand spending a little more to get something that isn't complete trash and has a good battery...But I feel like when you buy better peripherals and upgrades for a desktop you actually get your moneys worth most of the time...at the end of the day if you send $2000 on a laptop, it might be nice but it's still a laptop...Most of the laptop users I know use external mouse and keyboard anyway unless they are on the road...I just feel like the price for what you get out of a high end consumer laptop just isn't worth it...If you are buying a gaming laptop with a 3080 or something for $2000 then I can kind of understand it, but spending that kind of money just for making zoom calls and google docs and not even having a DGPU or only getting 3050 is absolutely crazy to me
@@brucepreston3927 It's extremely valuable if you're doing tons of work on a laptop and are frequently moving around. If you're just gaming with your laptop at home and only bring your laptop out occasionally (which is the vast majority of people), it's probably more worth it to invest in good external peripherals. However, for professionals, students, and other people with the above workflows, it's absolutely worth it to spend extra money for all the above benefits. It's far more valuable to have a light, powerful laptop with great battery life and an excellent keyboard and trackpad than to have a good gpu but a very heavy laptop with poor battery life, build quality and peripherals (gaming laptops) when you're lugging it around to classes every day or travelling around often.
@@huaen8880 That's true. And here I come in again to mention my Flex 14. It's light, portable, it's a 2in1, came with a digital pen and everything. They keyboard is good, and the trackpad is decent enough to be usable in a pinch, but I've always hated track pads with a passion so I have a $25 Logitech G305 with me at all times.
Again, it only cost me $500 brand new and I can do literally everything I need it to. I'm a school teacher, so I carry it around all the time and I'm constantly working on it. My only complaint is the battery life but I have to be fair and remember I've been abusing it for quite a while now. Lenovo still offers parts and service for it too, so I can just buy and replace the battery myself if I need to.
finally someone actual tells me things that I may MOST LIKELY NOT LIKE! GEEZUZ hard to find folks that aren't paid by corp.
I bought two of the LG Gram + Views for my XPS 17 when I'm traveling to mimic my 49" ultra wide at home. A bit bougee, I know, but they're pretty toight and handy.
Coincidentally just purchases the 2-in1 for a an older user in a corp environment. It was one of the only machines I thought of when he stated his requirements: 17 inch screen, light, and a 2-in-1. He's older, hence the larger screen request and travels a lot hence the lightweight + 2-in-1 requirement (cramped space in airplanes). Hopefully he likes it despite its shortcomings.
Everything has shortcomings. You can't have everything you want in anything.
This is why I love all of LTT's channels!!! HONESTY!!!
The editing alone in this video is constantly making laugh pls I want to watch the review lmao
I’ve always wanted milk that tasted like real milk
Smart choice
The keyboard flex there is insane, that would drive me insane if I had to deal with that
Good to know it's not only me who thinks that MacBook's external display support is bad!
What exactly is the complaint? Never had an issue
@@DanielAbernathy oh, use any non apple display and it just looks bad.
Reading literally gave me headaches.
I've been using non-Apple displays for years 🤷♂️
@@DanielAbernathy it can’t properly scale 1080p and 4k displays. Also, the non pro ones (including the 13 inch M1/2 Pro) can’t do more than one monitor.
@@whenhen the built-in scaling has always worked for me on 4k monitors - so I wouldn't say it can't "properly" scale so much as it doesn't fit everyone's preferences.
Lol. The cute cardboard pencil holder is so Korean
Horst has been such a good addition to LMG, even for channels that aren't his (that being said MA is a great channel and honestly the first really worthy addition to LMG since LTT, it doesn't feel like a "side channel" compared to the others)
10:30 why does my google assistant turns on this part of the video????
I went through about 5 of these laptops last year - some had keyboard inconsistencies (the shift key would run on one of the edges). Also I ran into issues with the sleep functions (windows 10) where the new network card would randomly wake the computer and it would stay idling while closed. I needed to change the function of closing the laptop from sleep to hibernate to fix this.
TBF huge amounts of windows laptops have the same exact issue with modern standby being various degrees of broken.
@@khakers2.099 oems should learn how to implement it properly. Dell does an excellent job
Im calling BS on going through 5 of those laptops last year.
@@thomgizziz 👍
@@khakers2.099 Wow you are right on, finally hearing about this from all over. LTT JUST made a video on this topic, I thought it was a computer issue!
3:48 USB-A "3.2"
It could range from USB 3.2 Gen 1 = 5 Gbit/s (=USB 3.0) up to USB 3.2 Gen 2x2 = 20 Gbit/s
Same at 4:18
"Lets go over the good things about this laptop even though you should not buy it."
3:23 Can we just appreciate that the editor probably spent like 30 minutes looking for that Andy "Nooooooooo"
I was really surprised by how expensive these things are. Macbooks aside since they have their own issues too, i wonder why people wouldn't just buy a business class laptop at this point for that price. I mean you can get an elitebook, thinkpad or latitude in a very nice form-factor for that price.
i got a thinkpad last year for 1200 euro, it has its issues (meh display, speakers) but just seeing this video im sure its a lot better to use than these. at least feels solid and still best keyboard to type on.
I guess LG is putting a premium price on the lightweight aspect of these machines, even if in doing so they've created other issues (looking at you deck flex...). I personally don't put much value on the weight of a laptop, but some people might find it valuable.
@@bencze465 yeah exactly, the business class laptops have a build quality that typically is much better than what you can get in most of the consumer market.
"Some of them are terrible like 'u'" Subtle burn, Alex.
They key with LG Gram is to always buy last year's model when they're on stupid clearance sales.
Got myself a 2021 Gram 17, i7, 16GB, 500GB (Upgraded to 2 x 500GB) for $1150. This is with Indian taxes so US equivalent would be like $850 or so.
For a large 17 inch 16:10 color accurate display, it's freaking amazing pricing. This 17 inch laptop only weighs 1.3kg. You really can't beat that.
LG gram 2021 and Gram 2022 are selling at almost same price. Gram 2022 always have about 30-35 discount, even introductory price also had about 30% discount. The price difference between 2021 and 2022 is less than 100$ on amazon India. I bought 2021 model because I read reviews that 2022 model runs really hot. The price difference wasn't an issue for me. Weight, display, heat and noise mgmt and battery capacity(though battery is degrading fast) are good everything else is less than satisfactory.
@@chetan_naik Fair enough. I bought my 2021 gram when 2022 hadn't launched yet. About heat, there's some black tape thing inside blocking the direct airflow for some reason. I removed that and the heat is down significantly.
It's a bit of a mod, but it got my temps down significantly and I quite like the size, weight and performance of this thing. It's a great laptop for Linux.
The selling point for me personally was 17 inch screen on a 1.3kg weight. I have separate SSDs for Linux and Windows. I'm fairly happy with what I have personally. I switched from M1 Macbook Pro where 8GB RAM wasn't cutting it for me.
2:54 not sure if this is 100% accurate but I love how Riley started saying geeze Louise in videos and now others have picked up on that phrase
I fr thought the 2-in-1 would be like 800-900 €/$ 💀
From their phones, now its their laptops will soon go extinc, LG.
You were spot on. I bought one of these 2022 grams, and sure enough the keyboard crapped out within the first hour!!! Only half the space key worked! Sure does seem the cut corners.
Cmon now! the LG Gram has been on sale almost every other week for since release!. Often at $1000 with 16GB RAM, 16, 17, and 2-in-1. Agree with your review at MSRP, but we all know except Apple, and less extent XPS, most PC are on a regular sale cycle. Why are you comparing to laptops that weight 2x as much??? LG Gram is very clear in their marketing-- its the NAME of their computer!
More of these reviews please! I feel like laptop reviews have been lacking!
lol, they're all starting beef with each other. This is excellent entertainment. I just watched the DIY Router video.
Alex talking a stress reducer.
Not if you are LG
Seeing the FlexSeal ball cap makes me want to see Alex use FlexSeal for cooling something
Wow, Alex went from "screw modern standby, I'm going MacBook!" to "screw Apple incompatibilities/limitations, give me back my Windows laptops!" in about a week and a half! Goes to show that Apple computers really are... _something_ else! 😂
Maybe Linux could be the savior. He should try the framework. 🤔
From my experience Linux is bot much better in terms of sleep. I'm using 10+yr old hardware tho
how to use the LG Gram 2-in-1:
step 1: rinse hand
step 2: add soap
step 3: leather
step 4: remove soap with water
step 5: now you can finally use it.
Objectively, having a mac user judging a keyboard is like having a starving person judging a meal. Anything is better than an apple keyboard (or a macbook keyboard).
0:02
"I thought you just killed the gram lineuh'
made some fantastic læptops, me an' Loynus went around and.."
Nooooooooooooo
OMG ALEX IS WEARING A FLEX SEAL HAT😂😂😂
This one's for the gram
And this is why I keep buying XPS models. They're just so solid for the money, and even if Dell chat is annoying, I can still have the laptop under warranty with next-day support for like 5 years. And before you go, "OMG fix it yourself" maybe look up the cost of parts and realize that at $100-120 a year for the warranty, I could barely replace anything for parts alone at that price, let alone something like the display or the main board shitting itself.
Really bummed that the only one with a touch screen is the 2 in 1. I really love my current Gram 13 with a touch screen but the new 2 in 1 is way larger than I'd like, and I don't love how flimsy the hinges for 2 in 1's typically feel.
Which 2 in 1s are you using? Most of them feel as good as normal hinges unless you have been trying to break them or something and have some insight I don't have.
Gotta love how they complain about the paper being environmentally unfriendly and 5 minutes later suggest trashing laptops over minor keyboard defects. Real consistent there guys.
I have the LG Gram + View. It's a REALLY nice 16:10 external display. Very nice for working remotely IMO. Way better than any other portable monitor I've ever used.
LG makes good monitors, but garbage laptops.
What are your thoughts on the durability of the monitor? I just bought it and am deciding whether or not to keep it. Haven't been able to find too many reviews on the monitor! How much do you travel with it, and have you found that the back of the monitor scratches easily?
I was shopping for an lg gram for my wife because I remember the past models glowing reviews on LTT and this channel. But then I found the Galaxy Book2 Pro was thinner and lighter with exactly the same specs but with an AMOLED and at a lower price, so that sold me. She loves it.
I tend to skip Samsung because all their products are pretty good for two years and then they turn awful.
@@DoctorNemmo I have had samsung laptops that have lasted a decade and a macbook that lasted a few months. You dont even say you had a samsung laptop just samsung products and then inserted your personal experience. If they were all lasting only 2 years and then dying then they probably wouldnt be successful calling your claims into question.
@@thomgizziz I liked a lot my Samsung Note II but eventually it died. I bought the Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 tablet back in 2014, but then the display started failing. I bought a Samsung Smart TV four years ago: none of the smart features work these days because they don't update apps anymore (had to install a Roku). I have a Gear S3 watch that can't connect to my Android phone because the Galaxy Gear app sucks. My dad's S7 tablet is barely usable because it became sooo slow. I stopped buying Samsung stuff for all those reasons.
So that's my experience so far... I'm not buying a Samsung laptop anytime soon. I'm happy with my Microsoft Surface.
So what I'm guessing from this is... it's not very good, but the displays are? Kind of unsurprised at the last bit given LG make most of the panels you see out in the wild.
fair enough, but the quality of this laptop so bad I don't know how they price it so high when other laptops are way better at equal or lower price points. It's like they didn't bother to do any market research before launching this thing.
@@CliffordChang-v8c I guess not caring about whatever else is on the market and pricing your products borderline arbitrarily is a... strategy, of a sort.
i have a refurbrished 17 inch LG Gram for Law School. I absolutely love it. its by far the best laptop for me ive ever had. AMAZING laptops
Apple: puts built in HDMI port
Also apple doesn't support external displays
Jonathan just wandering in with comments is hilarious
The real question is can you use the LG Gram along with a screen door to make a boat that actually floats?
Bought the 14 from Costco for $699. Great deal. 16GB memory. 512 SSD. Soooo light....
How is it so far? I just ordered it from costco too