I Flew on Hawaiian Airlines' Boeing 717!
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- Back in May of this year, I found myself in Hawaii on my way home from Japan, and so I, naturally, had to go looking for some special inter-island flights while I was there!
Hawaiian Airlines' inter-island operation with their Boeing 717-200s has always been a topic of interest for me, so I grabbed a quick round-trip between Honolulu and Lihue to check them out for myself!
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Hawaiian 717 replacements: www.flightglob...
Delta/Qantaslink 717 retirements www.qantasnews... www.indianeagl...
Delta 717s getting upgraded wifi: www.ajc.com/ne...
Hawaii and ferries: www.hawaiistar...
BR715 engines: www.boeing.com...
Lihue Airport statistics: www.transtats....
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FLIGHT INFORMATION
Airline: Hawaiian Airlines (HAL/HA)
Aircraft: Boeing 717-200 (B712)
Flight Number: HA133/154
Seat: 24F/22A
Livery: New
Engines: 2x BMW RR BR715
Registration: N484HA/N494HA
Route: Honolulu (HNL) - Lihue (LIH) - Honolulu (HNL)
Callsign: HAWAIIAN 133/154
Runway used: 8R (HNL) - 35 (LIH) - 3 (LIH) - 4R (HNL)
Date filmed: May 2023
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I’ve been on many Hawaiian 717s for inter island flights. The funniest was when we were waiting to board at one of the outstations, the captain opened up his side-window, leaned out as far as he could…….and cleaned the windshield with a bottle of Windex. Unforgettable!
Is there a special FAA approved bottle of windex? $599 per gallon
The 717’s takeoff sound is just absolutely beautiful 😍 I can’t get enough of it! Thanks Alex for making this video!!
Fr brings me back to the AirTran Days😢
@@EaglesFan202 same I miss those days 😭
Has to be one of the best around!
@@CptCanada definitely!
My first visit to Hawaii was to Kauai in 1986. We landed in Honolulu on an Air Canada 747 direct from YEG and switched to an Aloha Air 737, to land in Lihue in the middle of a sugar cane field. The Lihue airport was like a small bus station. It's very different now. Sugar is gone and the airport is modernized. Now we go to The Big Island every winter. I know that you'll love a visit to Hawaii, Alex. Bon voyage.
How do you remember that so well? 😮
You had the chance to fly Air Canada 747?? Man i wish i could at least see it rn 😢
AHOLA 737 HOPE ITS NOT MAX BECAUSE IT HAD CRASH
aww man, I wish I could fly a 747
@@B757andB7six7aremyfavplanesAir China, Asiana, Iran Air, Rossiya, Lufthansa, Korean Air, Mahan Air, and a couple of African airlines still have 747s in servicw.
4:28 I've always absolutely LOVED the sound of the BR715 spooling up
The Fokker 100's Tay 650s sound very similar, almost identical.
I was lucky enough to fly on a few back in June 2023 and was lucky enough to sit right next to the engines, I think row 23. Are they old? Yes. Do they sound absolutely amazing? Yes. And yes I got to sit in the cockpit. Such a neat and unique plane. 7/10.
LIH is a nice place to visit. The bus stops at the airport or you could walk about a mile into town for lunch and sightseeing. Great place.
As you saw at 2:27, your first plane was named ʻŌmaʻo. ʻŌmaʻo or the Hawaiian thrush is a bird endemic to Hawai'i, specifically the Big Island/Hawaiʻi. ʻŌmaʻo are closely related to the other endemic thrushes of the Hawaiian Islands, the kāmaʻo (extinct), the olomaʻo, and the puaioh. The ‘ōma’o once lived on most of the island, but today it is restricted to its southern and eastern slopes, mostly above 1,000 meters above sea level, 25 to 30 percent of its ancestral habitat. Many endemic Hawaiian bird species have gone extinct or are on the verge of extinction because of introduced predators like cats, rats, and mongooses (who were introduced in Hawai'i by the sugar industry to get rid of the rats).
Koa'e Kea on the other hand isn't actually endemic. Besides Hawai'i and the tropical Pacific, the white-tailed tropicbird can also be found in Bermuda, the Caribbean Sea, Ascension Island, St. Helena, and the Indian Ocean. The white-tailed tropicbird feeds mainly on flying fish, squid and crabs. It catches its prey by diving from height of up to 20 meters. Flying fish are caught in flight. Prey is often detected by hovering above the surface as the bird swallows it before taking off. With long, narrow wings and an aerodynamic shape, this bird can remain in flight for long periods of time; like other pelagic birds such as Laysan Albatross and Great Frigatebird, it comes to land only when nesting.
KIM
Thank you for the fun fact glorious leader
The 717's engines sound amazing. The perfect combination of high pitched screaming and buzz
Essentially a modernized DC-9!!! NICE!! 👍😎👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Actually the certificate type for the 717 still says DC-9.
@@HAGViper It is legally the DC-9-95
I was just in delta’s 717 this weekend. Cheers Alex from CYXU.
Notice how Ni'ihau isn't a part of the inter-island flights at 7:29? That is on purpose! Elizabeth Sinclair purchased Niʻihau in 1864 for $10,000 USD from the Kingdom of Hawaii. This ownership passed on to her descendants, the Robinsons. The island is off-limits to all outsiders except the Robinson family and their relatives, US Navy personnel, government officials, and invited guests. It is the only island where Hawaiian is spoken as a primary language, in part encouraged by terms in the original purchase contract which obligated the new owners to help preserve Hawaiian culture and tradition, and they speak the Ni'ihau dialect. It was actually once considered a location for the UN headquarters in 1944 by FDR!
All residents live there rent-free, there are no paved roads, and meat is also free! Horses are used as transportation as well as bicycles. There are no power lines as solar power provides all electricity. And there is no plumbing or running water on the island as water comes from rainwater catchment! These were most of the conditions established by the Robinsons. When droughts occur, they temporarily relocate to Kaua'i. They also go there for work, school, and medical care. To avoid a long boat ride to Kaua'i, the island's owners maintain an Agusta A109 helicopter for emergencies and for transporting Navy contractors and residents. The costs for such operation are offset by helicopter and safari tours.
I LOVE the 717 Reverse thrust
Haven’t flowing in a 717 for a long time. It was a Qantaslink 717, Melbourne to Hobart and it was so long ago that the aircraft still had that new plane smell!
I work for a cruise ship company with a 7day itinerary around the islands. The company requires a minimum of 5 months contract working 7days a week. Nearing the end of my contract and just a first class seat from OGG (Maui) to HNL (Honolulu). That sound and feeling when those beautiful BMW engines lit up..priceless ❤thank you for posting!!
The first landing was so smooth
Great way to end the trip!
I love the 717. Hate to see them go.
When I was a kid I recall the dc9 baking up from the gate with reverse thrusters. Ah the good ol days. 😂
You got the A gates, nice!! We flew out of B4 I think, that weird little nook. It was so nice with Hawaiian, loved the fruit punch and it was just an enjoyable experience from start to end.
We had to fly them HNL-OGG, as our HNL flights to YVR and YYZ were both full. So we took Hawaiian over to OGG and grabbed an AC flight there!
Very nice. I worked on all series DC9s from -10, thru the MD-80 and everything in between, and eventually flew a 30 series. Nice to see the 717 is still around. Years ago, several airlines asked Boeing to restart production, but of course Boeing refuse. They would rather you buy a 737, but that's the wrong airplane for HA market. The only almost direct replacements are the A319, and the A220. Another with less capacity replacement would be a CRJ-900, which could be operated near the operating cost of the 717, and could be operated without a jetway, though it was hard to tell if the 717 had the stairway under the main door. Great video.
Don’t mind me asking, what airline did you wrk for….TWA???
Here in Australia, Qantaslink are replacing their 717s with the A220.
@@Ryanhothersall That's because technically the A220 aren't direct 717 replacements. Yes they are taking over the 717 routes but will also have new routes open up specifically for them
thats crazy that they refused the buyers request. i wonder whats the reason they did not want to make anymore of the 717
@@chipwilliams6236 Because production shut down and it’s very expensive to start them up again
All RR engines sound just the best but sometimes sitting up front, when the takeoff is like glider quiet, has it's gentle appeal.
I had the pleasure of flying on Hawaiian’s 717 between Honolulu and Kona (Big Island) both ways in 2012. I found the plane to be roomy and comfortable and a joy to fly. Likely my most pleasant flights ever!
Love Hawaiian Airlines. If you’re not flying Hawaiian to Hawaii, you’re doing it wrong!
The 717 is quite a cool plane
But it’s a old one
I love those Hawaiian airlines B17s my dad has been on one of them from Maui to hanalulu but sometime I want to fly in one
Before I moved to the A350, I used to fly the 717 with Delta. It was the most fun plane I’ve ever flown.
wow, incredible career there. what made it the most fun for u?
@@KuostA When you takeoff you can just feel the power if you gunned it down the runway it could be off the ground in about 15 seconds. It was also a lot smaller, so it would bounce a lot which was kind of fun I guess. On landing you would kind of get sloshed around, unless you’re an ex-A330 pilot who can land the plane so smoothly you can’t even feel it touch the ground.
P.S. For some reason the 717 pilots were just all around nicer people. I think the pilots now are just a little cocky since they fly such a massive plane and take home such a massive paycheck.
@@AVgeek91 why did the a330 pilots land so smoothly? thanks for the response! amazing life experiences u have, wow.
@@KuostA The A330 is known as the “butter machine” as it is able to land extremely smoothly due to its tilted landing gear. (Extremely smooth landings are known as “butter” landings”
Wow flying Hawaiian Boeing 717 is fantastic. This is something I must do when I get to Hawaii.
Definitely do it soon before they go away in a few years!
After flying a lot of different inter island flights on HA’s 717, once you do it you understand why they have so many of them and don’t want to get rid of them. The newish interiors were an excellent improvement too. That being said, they are getting older and certain mechanical factor delays start becoming more frequent. Yet because a lot of inter island flights are so quick, they just deal with it. A flight I was on was a OGG to HNL flight and the gate agent stated, “the toilet isn’t working so if you need to go best go now before we board!” A lot of mainlanders were freaking out 🤪
Flew to Lihue from Yyc on WestJet 2 years ago! Awesome to see you visit for a few hours
I took that exact flight when I went to Kauai. The juice was so good
717: just another day...
Also the 717: OMG A MC-DONNELL DOUGLAS DC-10!!!!
So did I, though 13 years ago. Loved it.
Such a beautiful plane ❤
I flew on one of these as a kid when they were new. They served that exact same juice canister (which of course got spilled on my pants when we hit turbulence on the way into LIH). It’s crazy how much cycle time they’ve been able to wring out of the 717 over the last 20 years!
4:53 Music to my ears for the BR715 engines
One more thing about Hawaiian 717’s is about short flights on hoping island to island and amazing view of the Ocean.
Cant believe this plane is still in service in the US.this plane is over 60 years old , its antic !
I remember Delta’s DC-9 fleet for connections out of Detroit. Apparently the airframe was so durable the constant short-hop flights didn’t matter. Great design!
I recently flew a QantasLink 717 from Melbourne to Canberra and well, it was amazing. The seats were super comfy and the cabin was extremely low. I highly recommend the 717 over the 737 as it is significantly more comfortable. Surprisingly it wasn’t that loud.
I flew on those aircraft in 2015-2017 covering most of the islands
What a sound ❤
I had no idea these planes where so special. I have taken them many times before to get to neighboring islands
I flew one of the AirTran 717s in 05. It’s Probably still flying through Atlanta as we speak.
The over wing view on the 717 is so special
Back in 2014, I was glad to fly on one. Since then, it has appeared they put that new blue padding in. I’ll miss the 717s when they’re gone.
There was actually a 717-200ER designed by Boeing with BR715-C1 engines, but nobody ever ordered it (wishing somebody had). I heard Hawaiian is looking at the E-195 E2, A220-100, and A319NEO as replacements eventually- I think the E2 is the best replacement.
I have a soft spot for MD95/717, great aircraft that have an amazing safety record.
As someone.whonhad spent a lot of time in Kauai over the last 10 years you do have to spend more time. I've done some spotting at Lihue and caught 484 landing back in 2022. Think I have captured 494. Haven't flown the 717 for a while either (used Southwest last interisland flights) but I do love photographing them!
I Flew on one of these some years ago with Delta from NYC to Atlanta, quite a nice ride. Avianca operates a lot of short flights with A320's and A319 but from more challenging airports, and the issue seems to be brake cooling in the limited time that the planes are on the ground, so they tend to cycle them between short and longer flights. Options to replace the 717 see to be the CRJ 900 or 1000 ( are they still made) the A220 or the E190-E2.
I think these aircraft were fitted with temporary extra fuel tanks to ferry them over from the mainland. Great video!
@davidgarrett9711 they had fuel tanks fitted inside the cargo hold
Btw, all of the islands are unique, but I had the most fun in Kauai. My son and I took a helicopter tour, spent a day on a catamaran, followed a narrow trail where we swam in a freshwater lake, and visited a dude ranch for horseback riding. That was funny, although the joke was on me: I’m tall and big-boned, so they brought out a horse named Hekili, which means thunder in Hawaiian. He was a huge beast. I asked, “do you have another horse instead named Pineapple or something?”
When AAL acquired TWA in 2001, we got 50 of there 717’s. First thing they grd’d fleet wise was the 717’s. AAL was the largest operator of MD82’s/83’s 300+ of them and was surprised we were never the launch customer for them😢😢😢
You do an awesome job! Some UA-camr’s don’t know when to shut up, like during takeoff. Or they play music.
This sound 😍
Ive Been Lucky To Have Flown On Airtran's 717 In 2002
Japan is also an archipelago in the middle of the Pacific and inter island ferries services are exceptional. Not sure why Hawaii won’t do the same
Wow, usually they pronounce our island name and town incorrectly. However, you came prepared and ready. Excellent job 🤙🏻
My first flight on Hawaiian Airlines was from Honolulu to Maui after a Delta flight from LAX. Was similarly surprised with the drink service and how fast it was to island hop on the 717.
Back when I went to Hawaii, we did our island hopping with Aloha on their 737-200Adv jets, which were incredibly rare in the USA at the time. Hawaiian certainly has their work cut out for them: no one designs aircraft for that capacity for short sectors anymore. It's possible they would be a good candidate for a small to midsize electric aircraft, but those are still a ways off.
The A220-100 and the ERJ-195 match the 717's capacity and field performance very closely, it's just Boeing that decided to abandon the segment
So your alive amazing you didn’t have robe peeled out of the wreck.
I love Hawaiian Airlines POG juice!
I flew in many many DC 9's (smaller just adequate low by-pass engines) and later the MD 80's (much larger & powerful high by-pass engines) both I grew quite fond of. I've never been aboard a 717 though. They seem to be scaled back to the original DC 9's aesthetic, although the engines are quite large and powerful, like the MD 80 variant (obviously high by-pass engines, with a more sculpted look like the DC 9 cowlings).
It's a shame Boeing doesn't continue building these older designs that have some seemingly innate capacity to stay intact while at altitude. I notice the cruise altitude was only 13,000 feet, which is virtually the same aviation-wise as no altitude at all. That fact insures these birds don't deconstruct due to Hawaiian's proclivity toward high cycling system operations.
Id be curious to know if these airframes can be reconstructed and refurbished, since they suit this particular market so perfectly.
CONGRATULATIONS ON 100K!!!!! SO EXCITING! This is a great video since the 717 is older and rare.
I remember my first time to Hawaii I had spent five days in Honolulu and then seven days in Kahului it was such an adventure and I too flew on a Boeing 717. The flight between the islands was only 40 minutes long.
That same Ameristar DC-9 was spotted in Dallas a few days ago! Also of note in this video is the KC-10 Extender at 4:43. The USAF is going to be retiring them in a few months, so great catch! Another amazing video, Alex!
Workhorses of the sky, a wonderful aircraft and great footage!
I went to Kauai in 2016 and I flew on one of those 717
Great video and Channel I subscribed Aloha 🤙🏾🤙🏾
Awesome video Alex!
As somebody who lives on the Big Island, locals really don't see anything too special about the 717s, though they are an interesting solution to a problem that few ever think about. For us who live here, we see it more as a shuttle bus that takes you from one island to the next. Some people use it for work, where they fly home on the weekends or in my case, occassionally flying from the Big Island to Oahu to go shopping at the mall or just taking in the sights.
amazing that u get to enjoy a 717 so easily to just use as a 'bus' and even use it to go shop at a mall or just to fly. wow. how much are tickets on average? wish I could do that!
@@KuostA ~72$ I think last time I checked
@@risingsun9595 wow that's amazing. I just bought a powered wrench for the same cost lol would love to fly it for that same money.
There is a chance my parents flew on this exact plane with Volotea. I remember when I was planning their European trip that the flights Between Czech Republic and Italy were only made with turbo props and my mom being very scared of airplanes refused to fly on turboprops, the solution was to buy a ticket with Volotea who flew 717 from Prague to Rome instead of the ATR 72. Planning that trip for them was very difficult with all the restriction but my parents loved their 60 days traveling around all of Europe back in 2014.
the engine sound is very nice
Amazing Video, Alex! I flew on Hawaiians 717 over the summer (probably for the last time in my life) when visiting Hawaii. I thoroughly enjoyed that flight because Hawaiian's service is superb!
QantasLink still flies the 717 too it’s being replaced by the A220-300. which QantasLink already has two A220-300s in service VH-X4A and VH-X4B are the first two QantasLink A220s to be in service and the QantasLink 717s are slowly being replaced by them they still have 8-9 B717 still flying they’ve retired a few 717s now but still have 8-9 left.
I love Kauai! Great island! You should definitely do a vacation there. As for the 717, it's cool to see them in action but they may not be there for many more years. 😜
That takeoff was incredible
You didn’t visit my store when you landed in Kauai. You need to visit next time you here lol. Also you should try to book the maiden flight of their new B787 when you can. It’s supposed to start in 2024. Sometimes they use their A321neo for inter island and before they did use 767’s once in a while for inter island. Usually because of peak travel period.
I did this flight back in June on N477HA, I regret not asking the flight deck to go into the cockpit, as I am living in Australia I probably won't be on another 717 in my life unless I book a Qantas flight.
I did this with Hawaiin on their shortest route from Kona to Maui.
We just brought back about 15-18 717’s from long term storage this year. The rumor is that they will be staying longer into the 2030’s due to issues with the A220 and the slow deliveries of new aircraft and the increase in travel demand.
the logical choice to replace them would be emb-190 gen2 not many airlines are ordering them so they would get them quicker and cheaper then a220 are simlar size and use the modern version of the engine so wouldnt take much time for maintaince to be trained
I recently flew on this airline and airplane from KHNL to KLIH and back and that was when I had to fly to Seattle on Delta’s A321neo and I flew on the 717 in First class
Clearly engoneers and operators have found it to be true - but it amazes me that there's a fuel advantage to climb so high for such a short trip...
This video is certainly surprising considering the date it currently is
These videos are fantastic! I remember when you had less than 2k subscribers, making videos on regional canadian flights, and now your travelling the globe vlogging all kinds of aircraft! Awesome content, keep it up! Also have you thought of doing a special video for 100k (like something in business or first)?
Yeah agreed, keep it up , love the channel, super professional and shows planes or airports etc that are unique. I also like the fact that you are Canadian and still appreciate the Can Con, thanks Alex
I've flown the 717 a number of times with Delta as it's common on the PIT-DTW route. I love it - it's quiet (if you're not sat right next to the engines) with nice large windows
I think there are 3 types that would be a good fit to replace them,, the A220-300, A319, or the 737-700 (NG or Max Though that maybe overkill for these short flights).. The A320 or 737--800 if they want to increase capacity!
Great engines!
You really like those spoiler planes
so cool
Great little planes.. lots of power, had a few awesome take offs in them
Used to fly on these all the time from Akron Ohio to Florida on AirTran before they were bought by SWA.
Never flown on 717 yet but I got a chance to fly on American Airlines MD-80 back in 2012.
I'm currently on vacation in Japan and arrived here via Hawaii - watching your videos from the past month is like a mirror image of my own travels. Fun to watch!
Gosh that absolutely lovely buzzsaw sound!
That DC9 in Calgary was one of the united States deportation express jets
those seats are the same ones that jet2 uses in thw uk in their entire fleet. so you would have had that seat flying to new york on a 757, its bad enough for a 5 hour flight to cyprus
Aloha Alex! Awesome that you got to fly HA B717's and even better you made it to "my" island home of Kauai! Yes, you really do need to vacation in Kauai and I believe one of the Canada carriers do have direct flights to LIH? At least once a week, I try to get to LIH, unfortunately early in the morning, so it's mostly the inter-island flights. UPS does fly a B767 Cargo every weekday morning, so that may be the largest plane to land at LIH? Love how it takes off like a rocket since it's not carrying much cargo. You covered a lot of details in your video, so great job. Hopefully HA will decide on the A220 as a replacement for the B717"s? But before that decision, looking forward to seeing the first Dreamliner sometime in 2024. Mahalo from the Garden Island, Thomas
I know they have less seats, but almost feel like the Q400 would do well here.
I should also mention the waters around the Hawaiian islands are home to multiple pods of humpback whales. As such, the dangers of running into them by sea ferry explains why just about all travel between the islands are done by air.
Not really. This is a winter thing, and the whales generally stay in certain areas. It is not hard to avoid them. There are near daily runs by barges and tugs that go between Oahu and the outer islands. While noise is a factor and one of the issues cited, ferries would not appreciably change that given how many boats move around the area. It is mostly the airlines which would lose a lot of customers, especially on short runs like from Oahu to Kauai and Molokai and Maui. By ferry these would take about the same amount of time, or just slightly more, when you consider the added time to check in and get through security. Also, rental car companies hate the idea since any ferries would carry vehicles as well, so they would lose out on significant business. Finally, if you recall that part about barges flirting around the islands, the shipping companies as well would lose some money given that some of their traffic could just load up on the ferries instead of going through regular sea shipping.
Then too there are the more political issues. The Jones Act would require ferries, since they are going between 2 US ports, even if in the same state, to be both fully manned by US citizens, or at least US licensed seamen (and women), as well as the ferries themselves being built in the US in order to qualify for a US flag. Which also is highly expensive both to build and crew. As you would be fully liable for US taxes as well as things like OSHA regulations.
There have been various attempts over the century to get ferries running because they would be cheaper and less polluting than airplanes. Still, many Americans are not particularly interested in ferries, so it is questionable how many would switch over. Even locals are sort of iffy as it requires a change in how you do things. Then too environmental regulations and court challenges also take their toll. And of course operating expenses since you do need to ultimately be less than the cost of air travel. Then too you likely would not have more than a few ferries to each island per day, which is far less than the frequency of air travel. Which makes it a hard sell really. In other countries, less so. But Hawaii is pretty well developed. So it is kind of hard to get around already existing solutions even if the new one might be better in some ways.
I would hope they would adopt the Airbus A220 (my fave), but they're in the process of getting 787s for long haul to replace their A330s with the intent to standardize on one long haul aircraft. Unless they also keep their A320 neos for the smaller long haul market, I'm supposing they'll go another way...and I'm not a fan of the 737s.
Keep up the good work Alex! looking forward to your 100k special thats coming very very soon! Sad to see the Japan trip end though
Extremely grateful to have flown on this plane last November with Hawaiian from Honolulu to Kona. It only hit me recently how rare they were and how fortunate I was to get a flight on one
those engines look huge compared with those on the original DC-9