Bleach the New King? Surpassing Dragon Ball Z Twitter discussions! Tribute to Akira Toriyama

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  • @EldritchSama
    @EldritchSama 7 місяців тому +20

    Bleach’s influence is a lot different from Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball pretty much invented an entire genre and Bleach has influenced the writing style of all the modern-day shonen series

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      Curios if you think that’s enough for it to make Bleach the new grandfather or is it just time playing its part and another anime gets its turn

    • @EldritchSama
      @EldritchSama 7 місяців тому +4

      @@ProjectKARMA no, nothing will replace Dragon Ball

    • @ell7991
      @ell7991 7 місяців тому +2

      @@ProjectKARMAI would say so because bleach to these artist were direct inspiration for them.
      Tababta (black clover author), gege (jjk), and kohei (MHA) openly stated that to them bleach is the reason they became manga artist in the first place.
      Kubo may not have the pull of toriyama and wasn’t the biggest of the three however charm of bleach is that it wasn’t just a dragonball inspiration like Naruto and one piece and it really paved the way for other shows to shine.
      Dragonball to the big three is exactly what bleach is to the new gen and that’s a pivotal key without they wouldn’t exist as they are now.

    • @newguytourist7018
      @newguytourist7018 7 місяців тому +1

      ⁠@@ProjectKARMAYes it is bleach inspired a few anime while dbz inspired GENERATIONS not only to anime but to creation of series like bleach Naruto one piece and so on without dbz I gaurentee u most people wouldn’t be here today this includes the people u are on podcast with bleach is good but not that good chill out wit the glaze

    • @VonJuve
      @VonJuve 7 місяців тому

      That’s not true because bleach is literally a remake of Yu Yu Hakusho. It’s not original writing.

  • @halojeff15
    @halojeff15 7 місяців тому +10

    I think the next DBZ king like series is clearly one piece , it has just as much or even more so clout than DB for example world leaders and countries are tweeting about OP , op film red was killing the box office above even mugen train (didn't earn as much money as it) and earned awards that haven't been awarded in decades,like a cinema score which hasn't had a anime film since pokemon recieve one for 25yrs+ and so much more. I understand in America OP isn't super popular as of yet but its getting there slowly and it has just as much influence as naruto and bleach.
    kagura bachi wasn't inspired by bleach the author said it was inspired by zoro , UU also op from tashigi and smoker , mha author became a artist because of op and so many more. bleach is influential but those series that it inspired was also naruto involvement as well. so yeah OP has been gotten the torch passed to it by toriyama and its clearly going to be the next DB if not bigger.

    • @spiritualliving8318
      @spiritualliving8318 7 місяців тому +5

      Yeah it’s clear One piece is the new biggest thing after dragon ball

    • @corterfy
      @corterfy 7 місяців тому +1

      Straight up bleach wont even come close to those 2

    • @sniperjugevillafane8811
      @sniperjugevillafane8811 7 місяців тому

      🤡🤡🤡😂😂😂😂

  • @leharvard3223
    @leharvard3223 8 місяців тому +14

    Seriously ain't nobody putting Ichigo next to a crucifix. I've seen houses where mfers do be having God and Anime(Goku) on their side.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      You not lying. Ive definitely seen this before too. They had a script on the car Goku right next to the Bible

    • @sarthakarora3212
      @sarthakarora3212 7 місяців тому +1

      Simply cause ichigo embodied accepting normality and loveing it. Gokuu embodied effort, evolution, respect, forgiveness, kindness and being fun.

  • @Lefty1x
    @Lefty1x 7 місяців тому +2

    This video was amazing! Glad to find some good talk I can’t have in the public

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      Appreciate that💪🏾!

    • @Lefty1x
      @Lefty1x 7 місяців тому

      @@ProjectKARMA always fellas! Gonna be here for the long run 👌🏾

  • @gilaulet8735
    @gilaulet8735 7 місяців тому +2

    The dragon ball "world" is 70 percent tournaments and 10 percent screaming and another 10 percent transforming. It's fun as a kid but loses its substance and has become insanely popular due to the lack of quality in other shows during it's time. I think we can move on

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  6 місяців тому

      It’s the perfect thing for people trying to get into anime. Don’t think we should move on just need people to evolve past just DBZ and we’re good
      -Mike

  • @neos5432
    @neos5432 7 місяців тому +7

    the argument that bleach is good cause it inspires other anime dont make alot of contibutions cause we know for a fact no one is able to replicate worldbuilding and story telling like one piece. also other shows have tried copying attack on titan and failed (like kabaneri of the iron fortress). and to be honest JJk IS NOT S TIER its literally only fights and no story, JJK is the next best hit that will be forgoten over the course of time like with MHA and demon slayer. (notice how both these shows had their time at the top but now they flopped.) iconic shows like dragon ball, one piece, naruto, bleach and HXH are iconic because of their story and fights not just good animation.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      Very fair points here. I do think recency bias makes us look at JJK like it’s the GOAT. Curious your thoughts on if there will be another “grandfather” of anime and who’d it be

    • @halojeff15
      @halojeff15 7 місяців тому

      yeah this the best comment those 4 series are as big as they are (bleach not too much) because of story and not just fights , jjk will be forgotten and the big 3 will remain forver goated series. but bleach isn't the most inspirational its bleach and naruto , op inspired alot of series as while no one ever mentions that like FT, undead unluck was inspired by smoker and tashigi, and mha mangaka became a mangaka because of oda not just to write a story but his profession. so idk why people think bleach the most influential when its technically not true

    • @trulyunforgiving
      @trulyunforgiving 7 місяців тому

      Doesn’t matter how much u dislike or try to downplay ds or jjk for lack of story etc they won’t be forgotten that easily when they’re pulling big numbers every year since they’ve been out

  • @nksteven26
    @nksteven26 8 місяців тому +4

    Agree that Bleach will not be taking the grandfather role or spot after Dragon Ball.
    You guys brought up some good points and I will also add to them:
    - Although some of these newer anime/mangas drew inspiration from Bleach, that's not enough to define Bleach as the grandfather of modern anime. It just doesn't hold as much weight
    - Bleach is only #3 of the Big 3
    - The main story of Bleach kind of ended... There is the Hell arc but it is so incomplete (no one even knows how long it will go for)
    - No one necessarilly will be or will need to replace Dragon Ball. It's already deemed the grandfather and took the spot on the family tree. You can only continue branching from it or the Big 3
    - In terms of most popular or most influential, Bleach does not hold a candle to the other two either
    - Tite Kubo got a uplifting personal message from Toriyama. That's cool and all but Oda and Kishimoto also had personal connections with Toriyama so it's not like Kubo is singled out or getting special treatment
    - Last but not least, Dragon Ball Super is still going on and Daima (not sure where this will go). If anything, Toriyama is passing the torch over to Toyotaro

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  8 місяців тому

      Agree with everything here, just curious tho, do you think DB Super will continue post Toriyama death? Wouldn’t whoever picked up pickup the torch ?

  • @YujinH
    @YujinH 7 місяців тому +2

    Ngl saw the title and kinda cringed
    Bleach and ichigo are beloved by a group of people but comparing them to Goku and Dragon Ball is reaching for the moon.
    The only thing that has potential to generate the amount of love/ popularity that DB and Goku have is like One Piece and Luffy and even then, I’m a huge OP fan and even I know Luffy doesn’t hold a candle to the weight Goku has.
    The next generations will most likely see it differently but even then, bleach? Nah not in a million years dogs
    Edit: not calling out the video I’m calling out the people that they’re talking about
    Yeah Bleach seems like it inspired the dark trio and demon slayer, but one of those have more potential than bleach especially how hard CSM and JJK mangaka are

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  6 місяців тому

      Title was to draw you in. I think bleach inspires but so does soo many other anime. The dark themes i think should be given to Yuyu, IMO

  • @htkgaming2676
    @htkgaming2676 7 місяців тому +5

    One piece.

  • @Skkia
    @Skkia 7 місяців тому +2

    Nobody is taking over dragon ball
    If you think bleach is new dragon ball because it is inspiring new gens anime you are just biased
    Cause their are influence of other anime to in new gen animes
    Like
    Black clover taking inspirations form naruto
    Mha taking inspiration from dragon ball mc/dc comics
    Etc

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  6 місяців тому

      I agree. They all draw inspiration from multiple things. People just want Bleach to get its shine (well deserved) it just not enough
      -Mike

  • @bren45
    @bren45 7 місяців тому +1

    ppl really just hate on bleach videos like this show alot it’s clearly biased too bc points like my hero they immediately put down wen its there bleach takes inspiration from hunter x hunter more than anything nd so do newer animes but its strongly safe to say from what manga artist state themselves that hes right bleach clearly has ushered in a new anime that everyone even loves its crazy how yall can hate on that im guessing bc its part of big 3 and people want naruto nd one piece to be so dominant wen they r amazing obviously but rnt as relatable as a person who actually went to hs, wants to protect his friends n people he meets souly and learns ab himself nd who he is in process its my fav one out of big 3 bc ag u cant relate as much no matter how u put it to other 3 hes more realistic in that aspect

  • @mqstudio4078
    @mqstudio4078 7 місяців тому

    How do I get on the podcast ? Is there anyway I can be a member of the show?

  • @spiritualliving8318
    @spiritualliving8318 7 місяців тому +1

    Imo it would have to be one piece, one piece has broke records in so many areas of media and fiction, sold more than Batman too, only Superman remains as one of the final milestones for one piece to surpass. And one piece has influenced other stories and authors. One piece supported by athletes and celebrities and world leaders lol. And it’s the biggest thing in Japan since dragon ball.

    • @Zorothex5152
      @Zorothex5152 7 місяців тому

      Can't believe none of them ever brought this up.
      Felt a little biased of them to disregard OP that quickly.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      @Zorothex5152 there is no biased against one piece we all read it and think it’s top 😂 we wasn’t really looking at that it was more inspiration to the new gen animes if anything

  • @FangLeng-lh4gn
    @FangLeng-lh4gn 7 місяців тому +3

    It's Naruto and It's not even close, the amount of new gen manga it inspired and made many anime tropes i.e. inner demon, special eye, teams, se*y sensei, etc. MAIN STREAM which those who came before Naruto failed to do clearly shows the impact of Naruto. DBz handed down torch to Naruto

    • @corterfy
      @corterfy 7 місяців тому

      No its one piece naruto ended a while ago n it damn sure aint boruto😂

    • @FangLeng-lh4gn
      @FangLeng-lh4gn 7 місяців тому

      @@corterfy ?! who said Naruto is running? And what for OP? it didn't inspire any new gen anime, it doesn't main stream the anime, It got famous after LA off course and good job but that it.

  • @ell7991
    @ell7991 7 місяців тому

    The MHA influence in bleach is the author of MHA academia with his interview with Kubo admitting that bleach was his inspiration to become a manga artist in the first place.

    • @nou2097
      @nou2097 7 місяців тому +1

      He also said devil fruits inspired quirks and he once submitted fan art of smoker in a one piece manga illustration contest, citing Oda as a big inspiration.

  • @youssafemonster
    @youssafemonster 7 місяців тому +2

    I still think that Dragon Ball's writing is better than Bleach's Saiyan
    saga Much better than Arc in Bleach

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      In terms of excitement i think im with you here. However, writing, DBZ can be simple yet effective, never too complex IMO.

  • @ow3986
    @ow3986 7 місяців тому +3

    This is about inspiration and yall bring other things like popularity and what story is better. And no one said bleach will be more inspirational than dbz, but bleach is undoubtedly second behind dbz in terms of inspiring new animes. Naruto and one piece arnt even close to bleach in terms of inspiration.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому +2

      The separation between DBZ and Bleach is so massive i think popularity is a relevant topic. Other than the 3 new anime mentioned, what else has bleach inspired.
      Id say Naruto inspired far more than Bleach.
      -Mike

    • @ow3986
      @ow3986 7 місяців тому +2

      3? Fire force whole art style, Noragami, Hell's Paradise, chainsaw man, blue exorcist, black clover, demon slayer, JJK and more... Now tell me what Naruto inspired other than gojos hair and asta the WIZARD KING 🤣

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому +2

      Naruto has inspired hells paradise blue exorcist black clover seraph the end ranking of kings mashle magic and muscle u can’t say Naruto is a slouch when it comes to inspiration 😂

    • @ow3986
      @ow3986 7 місяців тому +2

      @@ProjectKARMA Most of the anime you named, bleach has more of an insparation on them. The reason i say tho gojo white hair teacher and asta wanting to be the wizard king is me acknowledging that naruto has inspired many little things in anime. But both jjk and black clover took much more from bleach than they did naruto and thats the point. Naruto isn't even close to bleach when it comes to inspiring new gen anime but its closer than one piece for sure lol

    • @ow3986
      @ow3986 7 місяців тому +2

      And popularity is quite literally not relevant because if that mattered one piece would be inspiring the most. One piece is the second most sold comic of all time right after superman. Biggest manga/anime of all time and its not even close with almost double dbz sales. DBZ has almost 2x HXH and yu yu hakusho sales combined (both written by the same author) but you can easily say HXH and yu yu hakusho had more insparation on the anime world then dbz did. Popularity is irrelevant in the inspiration argument.

  • @squallleonhart3663
    @squallleonhart3663 7 місяців тому +1

    This is the sh*ttiest title/topic for a Toriyama tribute. Just saying.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому +1

      You found the video, didn't you?
      Mike

  • @jeremyblackman2459
    @jeremyblackman2459 7 місяців тому

    The new goku is definitely boruto ichigo can’t hang if he couldn’t bear naruto n we not even talking naruto n sasuke together

    • @mathewlett9104
      @mathewlett9104 7 місяців тому

      Boruto jokes he never worked a day in his life for his power. There is no one like Goku he is unique because he fights for the love of fighting.Boruto gas power because its part of the story.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      Time out. Boruto had 3 chakra natures as a wee lad. He worked for that. The karma is a cop out, but after the time skip he trained for his status. Don’t let the hate consume you 😂
      - Khalil

  • @Zorothex5152
    @Zorothex5152 7 місяців тому +1

    This is not even about quality,
    Merely going off of popularity, global impact, inspiration, etc.
    DBZ>One Piece>Naruto>Bleach.
    We all know OP and Naruto have more of that influence... (and i don't even like Naruto, but it's true.)

    • @Zorothex5152
      @Zorothex5152 7 місяців тому

      Also that compliment the dude bottomleft said about Bleach potentially having the best designs?
      Bro aside from promotional art that is often made in drippy clothes.
      Almost everyone looks the damn same with those soul reaper outfits lmao.
      Kubo makes a lot of amazing art of the characters, but most of it isn't even inside the anime.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  6 місяців тому

      Idk why people acting like Bleach had a chance. I agree with this honestly.
      -Mike

  • @VonJuve
    @VonJuve 7 місяців тому +2

    Bleach is a rip off Yu Yu Hakusho. Even tho it’s fire, it can never be number 1!

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  6 місяців тому

      LETS TALK ABOUT IT!! YuYu is the blueprint
      -Mike

  • @NoloveIZYK
    @NoloveIZYK 8 місяців тому +2

    it’s Naruto 🚬😮‍💨

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  8 місяців тому

      Idk about that one 😂

    • @FangLeng-lh4gn
      @FangLeng-lh4gn 7 місяців тому

      @@ProjectKARMA Oh but Naruto is the most Iconic MC next to Goku himself.

    • @nou2097
      @nou2097 7 місяців тому

      @@FangLeng-lh4gn I'd have agreed 4 years ago, but recently Luffy been creeping up on him

    • @FangLeng-lh4gn
      @FangLeng-lh4gn 7 місяців тому

      @@nou2097 that's the thing Luffy is famous now which is good but He isn't the One who main streamed it, He got popular when Anime is famous and He didn't inspire any new gen anime.
      While Naruto did all this in generation where it was crime to watch anime

    • @nou2097
      @nou2097 7 місяців тому

      @@FangLeng-lh4gn I should've been more specific. I meant he's more famous now in the west, mainly america. Don't downplay the impact of one piece. Naruto didn't make anime mainstream by itself, and it was kinda part of the problem with it being seen as cringy.

  • @oversol5469
    @oversol5469 7 місяців тому

    Flat characters writing, bland story, sloppy power scaling, rushed pacing. Bleach is cinematic and thats it. It's an okay base to think about because it's so simple and one dimensional i guess

    • @Iirxinii
      @Iirxinii 7 місяців тому

      The characters are more relatable than naruto and people piece due to them not being ninjas or pirates. Alot of the cast have personality that alot of naruto characters don't have. Dynamic wise they have good characters due to them being story driven rather than character. Bleach does not have flat characters in any regard please prove me wrong

    • @oversol5469
      @oversol5469 7 місяців тому

      Outside of the battles, characters like Ichigo and Rukia don't have a life, hobbies, or goals. They don't do anything but fight. It's the as dbz same.
      Onepiecee is a good example of this quality. All the main cast established a personal goal that is their reason for joining Luffy's crew, whether it be finding the all blue, making a world map, or becoming a renowned swordsman. In addition to that, they have hobbies and rolls besides fighting, such as medical, cooking, or engineering.
      In Naruto, the cast is mostly just being ninja, but we get some additional reasoning. Naruto wants to be the village leader because he thinks it would give more friends and respect from the village, which is important to him because he grew up comple alone.
      We don't see Ichigo do much on a regular day besides get into more fights, which would be fine if fighting was his hobby and he did martial arts or boxing

    • @Iirxinii
      @Iirxinii 7 місяців тому

      @oversol5469 saying that is like saying naruto does nothing but fight. Ichigo actually wanted to grow up and study to be an doctor which is why he still continues going to school when he could fr either live or have an life outside of that. Filler also gives context on what people in the Soul society do on their free time. People don't like it because it's too mundane but that's the whole point of ichigo. He's not someone who wants to be the pirate king or the hokage he just want to protect his friends and play Playstation all day but duties and obligations won't allow him to continue being normal. Fr what does naruto do other than sit in an office waiting for the next scrap as hokage. The whole village is washed fr and the slice of life is only for nostalgia purposes in boruto/naruto. One piece sadly beats both they have the most dynamic characters between the 3.

    • @kelvinallen9327
      @kelvinallen9327 7 місяців тому +1

      Dont lie.
      Bleach is an amazing anime, manga & Novel series.
      Bleach has amazing writing, great characters, great females, amazing history, amazing power system, the main character dont get all of the attention, great foreshadowing, etc.
      Bleach history is so so amazing , kubo can literally write hundreds more chapters. 👍

    • @kelvinallen9327
      @kelvinallen9327 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@Iirxinii I hate when people who dont know Bleach, try to talk about it, they can be so annoying. Bleach is so underrated. 👍

  • @christiancage3272
    @christiancage3272 7 місяців тому

    This is mad disrespectful, dude just died like two weeks ago, disgusting.

    • @ProjectKARMA
      @ProjectKARMA  7 місяців тому

      Whats disrespectful about this?

  • @God-ec8ni
    @God-ec8ni 7 місяців тому

    bleach is trash among the big 3
    he was lucky he was one of the big 3
    ichigo the ultimate mary sue