Logitech and thrustmaster to worry? Turtle Beach new Direct Drive
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New studio looks sharp. I think you nailed it with the wheel, very gamey looking but that being said it seems to have a lot to offer. In that last pic of it on the rig it reminds me a lot of the Logitech Pro. Nice to see another company creating wheels though.
If you watch the turtle beach video going around on UA-cam, (the one with the guy sat in his living room) they show a moza like QR
They updated the price to $899.99
I look forward to your review, and 3D raps doing their thing with this 🙏
Stealth 600 gen 2 is fine.. One pair failed but got another pair after being reimbursed.
I'd be very wary buying this from a company whose premium priced gaming headphones barely last a couple of months before they either physically break, or fail in one or both channels.
Yeah that was my first thought like turtle beach was the headset to get back in the 360 days but they were made of gum so this probably will discombobulate it’s self after one intense drifting session
I had a set of wireless turtle beach headphones for like 3+ years and went everywhere with them like used them on Xbox all the time and 40+ hours a week wore them to work in a warehouse and only don’t have them cause I lost them on vacation. But I would be def wait for reviews on quality if I was in the market
I agree that their quality control has been poor over many years
they also bought out Roccat & none of my mice, even when RMA'd with a different model have lasted more than a few months.
Had a pair of their headphones a while back and yeah the build quality left things to be desired.
I have their Velocity One (yoke for flightsims) and it's great. The only issue I have with it is that the colors of the buttons make it look like something from Fisher Price. And that was my first reaction too when I saw this wheel announced - it just looks so toyish.
I have the same yoke as well and agree, feature wise it's awesome as an all in one unit, but the build leaves a bit to be desired
They are appealing to a target demographic with these flashy lights and children's toy motifs but doesn't have $650 to splurge just to play Forza
@AKK5I well tbh the display would help a lot of people who dont want to take their eyes to far away from the center screen.
You can change the colored lights and even turn them off
because they are all toys.... unless you run the fanatec $600+ rims you can use in a real race car... then it's not a toy. i have seen a guy use an actual transmission for his h- shifter
even the $2500 active pedal is still just a 'big kid'(read: us men) toy lol
It's really cool to see these packaging innovations of the integrated dash and button box. I wouldn't use it because I have a dedicated rig, but if I was racing at a desk this would be my #1 choice by far just because of how those things are packaged.
The more options (good or/and bad) the better. It keeps the manufacturers on their toes.
As of 14 FEB 24 they have 7.2Nm direct drive listed on their website
Be interesting to see the hands on review. Like the dashboard and the button box and pedal set looks pretty good. If it’s around the 5nm range I think it would sell well.
that is actually very interesting, cause unlike moza, cammus, or even fanatec turtle beach have solid distribution partners. the steering wheel shape is a dealbreaker for me. does anyone actually want a D shaped wheel for sim racing?
I’m one of the very few that actually likes the D shaped wheels
I do because I hit my balls less with my hands while drifting
My Porsche fanatec rim has a flat bottom. It doesn’t bother me one bit. But personal preference I suppose. Nobody says you have to like it.
In the uk moza and Cammus are available. From many retailers.
If this has a quick release though, that won't be an issue. Especially an NRG style one like the Moza. PC sim equipment will work on this wheelbase just fine. You could very easily swap a Moza KS wheel or Simagic GT1 wheel on there without issue.
It just wouldn't be Xbox compatible of course.
I just received the Turtle Beach Velocity one Race. The whole package weighs 38 pounds and looks really well built!
Is it though? The button box on the side feels flimsy and flexes when you press any buttons.
Some of information I got from VelocityOne forum/reddit said it 5nm torque. But idk. We will see that after they confirm it. The steering is not small, maybe not too small. about 11.8 inch or something. What make me interesting is button box.
I own a DD1 and everything from fanatec, but I must say I love that dashboard screen, this is something I miss on fanatec gear. I bought a cheap phone for a dash, but this is nice, and with the buttons.
I got a dash display from MVH for ~$130 shipped. It works pretty well, though you're stuck to one of the three pre-made dash displays.
@@Invin_cibles - he’s just simply saying that he likes the integrated digital dash.
Mine shipped on Feb 22nd and I will have it by Feb 25th! 🎉
For someone who does a mixture of sim-racing and truck simming, this could have the potential to be a very useful product, provided it doesnt have the same problems that I've encountered with thrustmaster pedal sets (input noise after a couple months of use, i assume caused by dust in the inner workings) and the fact that i have to risk voiding my warranty to solve it myself)
I have problems with my Logitech not having enough controls for both sim racing and truck sim. This look like a solution in all in one package.
Info has come out showing that this is 9NM (detuned 12NM motor), and does have a quick release.
🙄😳.... Others say 5nm
Yeah, some person on Reddit who said they were in the industry said this. Definitely an interesting unit if it's actually 9Nm of torque and they're planning on making an ecosystem of wheels.
I'll believe it when I see it :)
If the scale of the motor is correct on the official pictures, the engine is TINY! Can't see it reaching 9Nm, but we'll see :) (I'd guess 3-6Nm)
If they can sell a 9Nm wheelbase with all these accessories for $649 USD I'm going to be questioning the build quality right away. Unless they are doing the Sony PS3 thing and selling every unit at a loss to gain market share.
I want this to be a quality product, because it'll put huge pressure on the other entry level companies to go more.
Your info is wrong. The official figure is 7.2NM.
Someone on r/simracing asked Turtle Beach about the NM and the response he got was top notch corporate speak BS, but no figure.
So expect 3-5 NM max. 😀
Some sources say that the motor is around only 3 or 4Nm for Constant force (and 5Nm for Peaks).
Direct Drive is such a blessing for racing wheels. The ease of manufacturing one of these wheels VS making a gear or belt driven wheel is insane. The whole motor comes from the factory all ready to go, Turtle Beach just has them delivered, slap them into a box, put a wheel on the shaft and that's that. No gear boxes, no belts.. They don't need to test them much for wear and tear as the motors are the only moving parts, and the factory has done all that testing already. R&D on a wheel like this is minimal.
The result is that we're getting G29 priced wheels that are better than the best gear and belt driven wheels. You can pay 300 for a direct drive wheel that will FAR surpass the performance of the T-GT2 or the best belt driven Fanatec wheels that cost 2x that. People getting into sim racing today are so lucky. They're just getting immense quality for so little money.
I paid way more than the cost of this wheel for my T-GT2, and it's definitely not as good as this wheel (or any DD wheel for that matter).
Great for some, but my concern would be if one thing breaks (eg. steering wheel), then the whole system is out. Especially if you can't swap out a part for another. It is being sold only as a bundle. I am a first-timer owner/operator of Fanatec's GT DD Pro bundle. And soon as i drove that, I knew I loved it, and I started upgrading. The difference is i have no regrets. I think if someone got this and didn't have a kid or sibling to gift it to, then they might feel they should've gone big in the first place. Because if you love sim racing, you'll definitely want the best for your dollar. Also, there's the resale factor. Very insightful video. 🧡🙏🏼
From a recent Ad they released the wheel does have a disconnect
Looks interesting and the new studio looks great
If it came out for PS
Has a H and Sequential shifter available
And a handbrake made available
I might consider it
Hello, I am currently using the Thrustmaster T80 Wheel. I am considering upgrading to Fanatec dd pro, but considering the price I can buy both psvr2 and also the logitech G923 or similar. Can anyone guide me on this?. I am really confused.
I am not entirely sure about the brand but its always nice to have another product in the sim driving field.
Reminds me of those 80’s kids toys racing cockpits.
The torque is 7.2 Nm as per their website. Puts it in a interesting place!
Shifter and e brake compatibility?
I checked the pre order page to see if there was any more info over and above the marketing page... my hunch was absolutely right! It looks like the wheel rim is indeed detachable, as they specify the wheelbase and "racing wheel module" as they call it... being separate entities in the packaging. there is also mention of a tuning companion app for pc, xbox and mobile capable of updating firmware and downloading "future expansion content" which, the mention of mobile i found rather interesting. pedals attach to the wheelbase according to the specs section, though im sure people can and will find ways to separate them from the wheelbase, as they connect via usb-c. overall there was enough details on the pre order page to get me curious for its release, and inevitable youtube coverage.
As an xbox user, there's no button boxes seem to work when playing acc on xbox, if the all the buttons work on xbox I'd almost consider upgrading to this
do you know wheelbase torque spec?
one thing is for sure > DD wheels are now divided on entry level (console) priced below 1K EUR / Dollar looking attractive , and and pro lever (heavy PC) robust, strong and more accurate, without design attractive on the mind
I like the new office. Now do the kitchen before and after. :D
I don’t think Logitech is worried tbh they make like 200% on each new g29/g923
I wouldn't be so sure of that. Logitech's direct drive wheel is nearly a grand for just the wheelbase, wheel and no pedals. OK this wheel doesn't have quite the same torque but coming with a load cell pedal set is a game changer. They're literally the only company bundling load cells with a budget friendly wheel.
I'd be weary of this brand. Their flight sim products are dressed up low end hardware with all the bells and whistles to look good on a store page, but the basics like the gimbals of their flight sticks are very bad design, like the ones you get on a 20$ stick. I'd call them "fake high end" hardware, you can get significantly higher quality stuff for the same money, it just doesn't look as flashy and isn't sold at major retailers so most people are not aware how a stick at that price range should feel and the build quality that should be expected.
Now of course I didn't get my hands on this one yet, but it looks to follow the same formula. Get in people with shiny things like button box and a screen. I would not buy it unless you get to try it and products from the same category from other brands first!
I saw that for now that digital display is only compatible with the new Forza game. But that may change in the future but for now that’s it.
They missed a trick by not making a PS version too .Gt7 is a huge title with only a couple DD wheels to chose from so a massive opportunity missed by Thrustmaster and now Turtle beach,
Sony themselves are mostly to blame for that though. They have been making it increasingly difficult for 3rd party peripherals to get licensed for use on PlayStation and stopping the use of unlicensed kit. Microsoft have always been far more generous when it comes to this. That and the fact that the xbox OS has a lot of commonality with windows making it far easier to get things to work on both xbox and PC.
Really wish Turtle Beach could've also made one of those for PS5.
Those markings in the shaft may also point to a lack of free wheeling capability. Its probably going to be something similar to the Logitech Pro, where the wheel rotation is physically limited in lock to lock turns. I wouldn't be surprised if the motor itself is sourced from the same manufacturer. I like the addition of the button box rather than a sequential shifter.
I'm going to hold judgment till I see reviews but it certainly looks like a thrustmaster wheel and tclm pedals. Likely going to do ok in the console space but pc people will likely stick to moza or fanatec for that price
Why would they make racing wheels suddenly? Did they ever make them? Cant see them being competitive even on console thrustmadter and Logitech are best two options.
I believe because they feel they have a small button box included the price is inflated , and doesn't announce any NM. Overall it's a nice design I also believe the price of 650 won't be an stable price I'm pretty sure it will come down eventually, because u can buy and logitech withe shifter pedals and a button box under 650 so let's see , I do like the design tho this
In case anybody is wondering the website updated and they are stating 7.2NM on this one.
They made the button box because the wheel has a very small number of inputs. Overall though, a cool package, provided it doesn't actually suck.
No the steering wheel has the same number of inputs a controller has. The button box is an added bonus.
@@SimRacingVeteran Okay. My wheel has 12 buttons, plus the 2 paddles and a d-pad. This has 4 buttons and some dials. It doesn't have enough inputs, so they made a button box.
@@JZStudiosonline exactly. If I´m very honest, I still like the button arrangements on the cheaper TM wheels (like 248, T150 even more) better than most of the current gen DDs...
I much prefere having as many buttons/ d-pad as possible close to my thumbs. I don´t care about supposed "immersion" of that button box or whatever people will say to defend it.
Iono m8 i just like having a separate button box that's not in the wheel. I think this idea is really cool. I'm not buying one because I already have better gear, but this would be pretty legit for a console or desk racing setup.
@@noname-gp6hk I wouldn´t say no to the button box if it weren´t for the lack of buttons on the wheel itself.
Wow turtle beach has a console DD before THRUSTMASTER .
whats happening thrustmaster?
I think it would be cool if you could separate the motor from the shell and just have it as a standalone
Some good-looking, maybe even high-end features not found on most wheels, combined with the look of a $50 wheel. I don't get it. At least perhaps create a side brand and leave that cheap logo out. The button box is more useful for truck simulators, but then there is no shifter?
Had a feeling you were Portuguese for the slight accent. Amazing English but the Portuguese rhythm never goes away. Great work
I’m personally not into it, but it’s definitely looking like a good option for someone looking to get into sim racing. I just wonder how good the software will be and how well it integrates with different game titles.
I say it is 5Nm max no more than that a Moza R5 was $600 and this TB DD has a display and button box
It’s about time they added a dash display now if they can just add a full size steering wheel a lot of racers will be happy!
they say 7.2 nm on thier website and on amazon
So it looks to have 7.2 nm of peak torque... This could be amazing for the price. Hope the quality and feel is good, and hopefully they come out with a playstation version too.
It looks like the perfect XBox wheel, except it is turtle beach. I never had good memories with their product quality, the Headsets i bought broke after a few month.
the price is a little rich TBH , don't get me wrong , a 9nm wheel is costly , but i could get a moza of fanatec kit for around the same price , perhaps the next version will look more adult
Looks way to much like a toy for me to purchase this. Not got my DD yet but think I am just going to go with moza
Everyone is saying the quality is going to be bad and I keep seeing references to headsets “falling apart in a week”. Sorry but I’ve had a couple of their headsets and never had an issue with them. Y’all must just be rough as crap with your gaming gear or something. Yeah I get that the quality of some of the stuff they make isn’t the best but if you take care of it, it will last
Better quality comparison would be to their flight yoke, which is actually pretty good.
Some astute observations, RC.
If reddit/simracing is to be believed, certain self-proclaimed gaming industry insiders have claimed the DD otuput is somewhere around the 9 ~ 10 Nm mark.
Thus around Logitech DD Pro and Thrustmaster T818 , Moza R9 ~ R12 levels.
If true, this bundle would heavily undercut Logitech for at least console compatibility.
It does look like the Turtle Beach design staff has been looking a lot at the Logitech DD Pro when designing this system.
I wonder if the pedals (and controller!) can be completely separated from the base, as per de G Pro pedals. The loadcell might be in de 60 ~ 80 kg range. At least I would be surprised if it's well beyond that.
I'm looking forward to reviews to see if the Fischerprice-look and TB headphone-quality also carries over with in-hand experiences, or not.
At the very least, it seems like an interesting proposition judging by pictures alone.
Nice
I'd be hesitant buying these as they're the first stab at this type of peripheral from turtle Beach
I want thrustmaster and Logitech to include this type of dashboard
I do think TM and Logi do need to worry. Cheapish wheel that they can put the words DD on and sell at B&M. While they have questionable quality in the past, they are a known brand to mainline consumers and offering it much cheaper than TM or Logi will cause the uneducated consumer to purchase.
Makes me wonder if there is a hardware maker out there wholesaling this to turtlebeach to put their plastic covers over? Might even be software supplied that they put their own skin over.
It looks interesting
But id never trade my trusty old DD1 for it.
It’s 7.2 NM of torque
Nice studio is it new
rearranged the same room
Sell it with a 2 or 3 year warranty with replacement like a printer if its not modular
Why it looks like a kids toy. Like those Hori Mario karts wheel
Exactly and it’s a perfect unit for a a parent who has a kid that wants a set up.
If you’re already sim racing, this is not the unit to even consider.
Wow. Looks very promising. To be honest I'd buy this for 600$, if I haven't bought Simagic.
Ive had a few turtle beach products over the years, x 12 headset for 360 still works, elite 800x headset for xbox one was properly expensive and were absolute crap, id be very wary of this, there are plenty of quality dd wheels on the market and this one looks a toy but we will see
P.s, still waiting for Thrustmaster to pull their finger out and release a console compatible dd wheel, cant see what the hold up is
Will it ever be PS5 compatible?
You get what you pay for. Fanatec is all metal (for what I have)… CSL DD Pro/BMW GT2 and F1 V2. No plastic. For this Turtle Beach is only the screen that I find cool 😎.
why would they make a paddle wheel with clutch pedals for entry kit? that makes absolutely no sense.
Pxn v12 review please
Looks like a real Risky Buy right now
7.2Nm is the force. mine is arriving the 28th
Key Features
Authentic, Complete Racing Setup for Xbox & PC
Ultra-Realistic K: Drive™ 7.2Nm DD Force Feedback Motor
Glide through Gears with Mag-Shift™ Paddle Shifters
Tune & Customize your Setup with the Race Management Display™
Customizable Throttle, Brake & Clutch Pedals
Dynamic Brake Tek™ Load-Cell Braking System for Enhanced Realism
Modular Control Unit™ for Critical Car Systems & Adjustments
Tuner Companion App for Xbox, PC & Mobile Devices
Premium, Racing-Grade Design with Versatile Mounting Solutions
Turtle Beach Audio Tuning Onboard
Its motor is 7.2nm
Does it have a airbag? If not then it's a no go for me.
They could have made a Playstation compatible wheel. Fanatec has the only ps compatible wheel so why not try to get a competing wheel!
At $649 it doesn't worry me , I'll stick with my £30 wheel ty ..... It's a case of more money than sense syndrome ..........
If the build quality of this is good, then this will be a "killer app" of a device that completely shakes up the market. A lot of it says "me too" to me thought, like they see dollar signs in the sim racing industry and just want their piece of the pie.
But based on the components of the bundle, they've clearly, at the very least, done a lot of market research to figure out what people want as a starter bundle.
7.2nm
Why are you recording taskbar and browser addressbar? 😂😂
No other brand needs to worry 😂😂this looks like a toy
Since xbox is simply irrelevant when it comes to sim racing, a ps5 support would make more sense, because of GT7. Seems like a decent entry level option though
That’s just selfish thinking. Myself and a lot of people I know own Xboxes and are indeed car enthusiasts who would like a decent sim racing experience before getting PCs. PS already has a decent range of good budget options since literally every “budget console option” is a PS licensed wheel or a PXN V10. (Also PS has GT7.) TB is actually smart for getting a direct drive wheel into the Xbox market to start because of the amount of ACC players. They’ll probably make a ps version down the road.
I think this looks awesome to be fair and a good price too,I just bought the TGT2 but would have held off getting it if I knew this was coming out
Perfect for a 9 yo. that will use it for the 2 weeks it works then moves on to the next toy. It may last that long...As far as for the sim racer we should love this..Think of what this might mean for prices of higher quality wheels. This shows what is really possible for the lower price points..
oval rim? Is there an actual oval rim or did u mean round?
I'd say 3nm as a 5.5 nm Moza wouldn't fit in those dimensions IMO and the new R3 is 3ish nm and I'd say going to compete with the extras. Buy a R5 and the LC SR-P pedals to replace the SR-P lite for the around the same price for a much better and extensive ecosystem. And if for XBOX buy the R3 and upgrade as the original bundle will be much less.
how th fk are you recommending something over a product you have no clue about ya clown😂😂
I have their flight stick. I have faith this will be worth the money. This is the exact price point Logitechs ridiculous $1400 wheel should have been aimed at. Their headsets back when I had them were cheap and terrible. The flight sim peripherals however tell me that they have enthusiasts that want to serve a non hardcore audience in the pricerange gap that no other company is touching right now. This is very potentially a preorder for me.
I have the Logi Pro and it was less than $1200.00 delivered 2nd day air. It's very solid, 11NM and a two year warranty. Logitech wheels have always been rock solid, the G920 and G923 can take a beating. You get what you pay for. This is not even 7NM and if Turtle Beach's history is any indication it will look okay but be cheaply made.
If it does not have quick release then they are not building an ecosystem, or they missed this which I doubt
Ps5?
7.9 Nm
I saw 7.2
They're just trying to get on the bandwagon since sim racing is a hot thing right now.
Has a lot of great, desirable features but kinda can't get over how plastic and cheap the materials look. I'll wait until hands on reviews for better judgement.
More competition is good but it looks like something Kellogg's would have as a cereal box pack in toy. A very very big cereal box but nonetheless. Also that D shaped rim is so pronounced I'd expect Count von Count from Sesame Street to be holding it up to teach us D is the letter of the day.
What's the point if not PS.
TB was always an xbox brand.
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It'll be like max 2-3 Nm cheap and nasty like all Turtle Beach products, I wouldn't go near it. All future wheels will be DD as it's simply more efficient, why they haven't become the standard until now mystifies me; it's technology which was actually theorised centuries before electricity was even discovered and has been commercially available for decades.
Just go Moza.
how is $650 expensive for a DD, loadcell, button box and dashboard???
id be concerned about the quality because their headphones are dogshit.
tbf headphones are going to be shit if they are not by companies with long history with audio equipments like Sennheiser or Austrian Audio, where they have massive knowhow for how to make a good audio product
Yep ... Fact being, Audio equipment is not TB's strong point.
They do however make a very decent Flight Yoke so disregarding what they may've accomplished with a DD bundle is imo being a little premature. @@NateSakana
Looks “cool” but looks super plasticy for that price. No way ….Turtle Beach stuff don’t last long …..the price is ridiculous ..love the button box ngl
It looks too boy racerish? Why? If this is targeted at entry level serious gaming with direct drive They could have easily toned down the look and have it look more professional without any additional cost vs whats shown here. The features are interesting, the presentation and the big unknown on quality is what needs to be sorted.