NCASE M2 Review: RTX 4080 Super, Arctic Liquid Freezer III & Phanteks T-30s

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  • @matthewpatane4096
    @matthewpatane4096 7 днів тому +24

    I believe the cooler is installed upside down and thrust the AM5 offset is actually further from the CCD cores (where the heat is) and could substantially impact cooling performance.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +5

      Interesting. I’ll check this. However the thermals weren’t that bad and didn’t set off any alarms. Idle temp was 45c. I have to check, thanks for your observation.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +4

      Trying it now, standby.

    • @kevinwatson5190
      @kevinwatson5190 7 днів тому +1

      Yeah it's definitely upside down . Checked the comments to see if anyone else noticed.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +5

      @@kevinwatson5190 no big thermal difference. CCD 1 Upside down was 81.24c and right side up is 80.77c, this is the hottest CCD also. I’m logging the results with HWInfo64 to excel. This was running C24 Multicore for 10 minutes.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +4

      @@matthewpatane4096 I pinned the comment so people will know.

  • @Awesumsawz
    @Awesumsawz 7 днів тому +19

    Hey, unfamiliar with your work but huge props to the camera work here. Beautiful work.

  • @Renegade_Rabryn
    @Renegade_Rabryn 5 днів тому +3

    Such a clean job you do with cable management. Those blue cables are to die for.

  • @TROD..
    @TROD.. 7 днів тому +3

    Another awesome video Chris! Loving the content. I modeled my T1 build after yours and it’s been running great! Keep up the awesome content!

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому

      Glad you like them! The T1 is still my preferred case!

    • @thenozar7603
      @thenozar7603 5 днів тому

      Hi TROD, by model, do you mean physically altered your PC build to replicate Chris' or do you mean you 3D modeled your T1 build in CAD? Sorry for the random question but I'm trying to get some experience modeling mini-ITX cases and I was hoping for some inspiration or help if you happened to have created 3D files.

  • @thisismn
    @thisismn 5 днів тому +2

    First time seeing one of your reviews, nicely done. Really enjoyed the comparison to like models and a fair assessment of pros/cons. I'm currently waiting on my delivery of the M2 and not 100% sure which style of build I'll be doing.

  • @Kevin15673
    @Kevin15673 6 днів тому +3

    1:15 that curve is intentional, it ensures the side panel is flush with the case due to being under tension once installed.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  6 днів тому

      Interesting, is that a thing with steel panels, my CNC aluminum panels with the T1 don’t do that. Never actually had steel panels before for any case, well not in the same design as the M2 or T1.

    • @thenozar7603
      @thenozar7603 5 днів тому

      @@chrisrussellca Can't say for sure but the difference between sheet metal manufacturing vs CNC is staggering and one of the big ones is that you use much thicker, and therefore rigid parts with CNC, whereas with sheet metal as you can guess, they're flimsier as is the case with that panel. Also apologies if this was information you were already aware of, I must have misunderstood what you meant in that case

  • @supertiger2607
    @supertiger2607 4 дні тому +1

    I have the M2 Silver Grater and that thing is most definitely going to be the last SFF case I have. Between the T1 and M2 I prefer the appearance of the T1 but if there was an M2 sized T1 case then man would I switch so fast. Great video by there way, they look fantastic!

  • @alihammad6318
    @alihammad6318 7 днів тому +5

    Excellent review! CPU thermals would probably be better if you intake from the rad and exhaust out the bottom. Or VGPU with top exhaust and vertical GPU to more closely match the T1. Currently using internal air to push through the relatively small internals of the case outwards is probably why your T1 is winning.
    (Little engineer note: Heat rising is due to a force called free convection, it's an EXTREMELY weak force that is outpowered as soon as any fan enters. The T1 exhausting air likely runs cooler as the negative pressure turns the whole side panel into an intake.)

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      Tried that, the thermals are better exhausting, 47c idle vs 45c idle. Also interesting engineering note.

    • @alihammad6318
      @alihammad6318 7 днів тому

      @@chrisrussellca Interesting! Thanks for sharing. I'm heavily debating T1 vs M2 for custom CPU-only loop. Definitely would choose a T-Grill with T30's, might get it anodized in silver myself.

  • @ARL74
    @ARL74 4 дні тому

    Appreciate the detailed review, nicely done....I'm staying with the FormD T1.

  • @gemstone7818
    @gemstone7818 4 години тому

    i think the Meshroom S V2 fits the title of "last case you will ever need" better since it fits full ATX with large GPU and radiator support, all while being smaller than the NCASE M2

  • @AlexReyes-t9i
    @AlexReyes-t9i 7 днів тому +3

    I personally think the Ncase M2 will be a mighty-fine case for anyone who wants to get started in the SFF PC space, and its high configurability will make it pleasant for a large number of people. The only problem I have with this case is that it has nothing in line with the original Ncase M1 which was lauded for its simple build process and superb quality (mainly because it was designed with one goal in mind rather than trying to take on every single potential build). I also think it is quite large with the dimensions putting it about a liter or two in size above the Ncase M1

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      Some sacrifices had to be made. I agree, it’s better to be a specialist than a generalist when it comes to quality but the quality isn’t bad but could use improvement.

    • @jgalt99
      @jgalt99 6 днів тому +1

      @@chrisrussellca Lot of people complaining on reddit about the newer builds. It's super easy to strip the threads from the screw holes when installing the case components. I just built a system with it today and can confirm. You really have to be careful installing the screws, they're stainless steel fine threads going into aluminum threaded holes. Two-finger tight is all they can take, if you wrap your hand around the screwdriver and tighten the way you normally would you will easily strip the threads. I used blue locktite for some added security.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  6 днів тому

      @@jgalt99 I’ve been seeing a lot of mixed reviews. As a case it’s good but there seems to be some QC issues and issues with quality, especially screws. Honestly something you’d expect to be top tier as it shouldn’t cost that much to send good screws.

    • @Donbros
      @Donbros 3 дні тому

      I think it was logical choice to make as gpus became bigger. If they werent there would be less configs on ncase m2

  • @vongdong10
    @vongdong10 5 днів тому

    Had the M1 EVO and hated it. Good to see an honest review that tells the cons.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  5 днів тому

      You know, I like luxurious looking cases and the M2 doesn’t quite scratch that itch for me. It’s looks good but it doesn’t look like the T1. It’s a great case is you just care about getting the best results for the size and price.

  • @yanni-duff
    @yanni-duff 7 днів тому +2

    I just got this case and I'm planning to do top 240 AIO as intake with a conventional reference layout meaning the gpu on the bottom. I might have to play around with the motherboard placement depending on the thickness of my GPU and might consider slim fans for the AIO.
    Unfortunately it seems that there's ZERO information online about this configuration. No one has even tried it which boggles my mind considering it's the cleanest config by far. You get fresh intake on the radiator, ditch the riser cable and you can get a glass panel to display the whole build and those beautiful custom cables.

    • @milany707
      @milany707 7 днів тому +2

      Man, keep enjoying everyday experiencing what this case can fit , my latest: classic build ALL ASUS ROG (x670e-i/4090/sfxl850) and CPU AIO 280 top rad but without it's fans attached to it haha , enjoy yourself figuring it out because you can do more what you think with NCASE M2.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому

      I have that coming. I’m not a huge fan of tower coolers so I choose to use low profile coolers and want to build the reference layout with the IS-67 from ID Cooling with a T-30 or Lian Li TL LCD fan with the TG panel NCASE sent me. Like the other guy said, this case can do almost everything you want it to do and it comes at a relatively good price and quality.

    • @yanni-duff
      @yanni-duff 6 днів тому

      @@milany707 wait I'm confused, how are you cooling the radiator if there are no fans attached? What are the temps and CPU used?

  • @timan83
    @timan83 7 днів тому +1

    7:41 I notice that when you have your AIO on the side there is no room for a 90 degrees GPU power adapter, right?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      It depends and you don’t really need an adapter if you have soft cables. However you can shift the bracket and or radiator down depending on your setup

  • @NeuralVoidSolutions
    @NeuralVoidSolutions 7 днів тому +2

    Great review, build, and test details! I’m curious if the T1 is also inverted? I imagine you would get better thermals on the M2 with the standard config… though the inverted config looks super clean 👌

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому

      Not sure, I tested the Level 5 configuration and the GPU suffered more.

  • @xXKamoflashXx
    @xXKamoflashXx 6 днів тому +1

    Great video and great build!!!
    Brother, there is a way to flip the case, so you have the GPU on the bottom side.
    On the Ncase homepage, when clicking on the case, there is an animation.
    As far as I see it, all you have to do is flip the back and side panels 180 degree.
    Can you check whether that gives better cooling?
    And yes the feet are indeed very short...

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  5 днів тому

      Thanks 🙏, the GPU at the bottom is Level 5 which I tested and it wasn’t much of a improvement thermal wise.

  • @ouki4925
    @ouki4925 4 дні тому +2

    I’ve been following the m1evo/m2 case developments for ages but ultimately decided not to go for it. My giant GPU needs vertical mounting and the compromise would be poor airflow to the motherboard components. I hate that there’s no option for a back-to-back sandwich layout like the T1 case.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  3 дні тому

      Well with proper top exhaust ventilation you could see positive results in the M2

  • @Kokinkun
    @Kokinkun 5 днів тому

    Would you consider flipping the AIO fans as intake and the bottom case fans as exhaust? It should help guide all the hot air from your GPU/CPU/PSU into one direction (downward) instead of the bottom fans intaking hot PSU air and the AIO intaking hot GPU air.

  • @sunplatedfish8255
    @sunplatedfish8255 3 дні тому +1

    just got the terra and now I'm wondering if i was better off with the t1, didn't know about it at the time, the t1 probably doesn't have the same noise issues as with the terra and probably better air cooling with those mesh panels, any feedback? i could potentially make a last minute change

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  3 дні тому

      The T1 is a great case (the Terra also), it also has a fair share of compromises such as build difficulty, limited AIO support and product availability for the popular color options. However it does offer better overall cooling capabilities with the AIO support, while taking up slightly less space than the Terra. Also the build quality on the T1 is miles ahead.

  • @shusui9665
    @shusui9665 День тому +1

    can.you recommend the x670e? is it better than.the b650e-i. dont know which should i get. wamt.to go with a thermalright pa12 mini air cooler.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  День тому +1

      The B650E-I is more than enough, also the shrouds on the X670E-I are really tall and can cause issues with some coolers. Just do the research on the clearance needed for the PA12 Mini. To answer your question, yes I can recommend the X670E-I also, it’s just an expensive jump from the B series and may come with things you don’t need.

    • @shusui9665
      @shusui9665 День тому

      @@chrisrussellca thx very much fpr.the help. do you think a rx7900xtx nitro which is 3.6 slot thick would have enough air in.the classic m2 config where the gpu intakes air from.bottom? cant get 2 intake fans because of 3.6 slots but using the ncase 15mm high case feet ?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  День тому +1

      @ well you may not need the fans, it should be enough clearance even if you can fit fans. If you want fans look into slim fans like the P12 Slim or Noctua NF-A12X15.

    • @shusui9665
      @shusui9665 День тому

      @@chrisrussellca thx. woth this gpu 3.6 slot there is a clearance like 12mm to the bottom.panel so no fans fit. so you say it would be enough the fan feet 15mm would be enough? you are a experienced builder so do you think there would be turbulence of tge gpu fans with the near bottom panel?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  День тому

      @ what’s the thickness of the card? In milimeters

  • @daboyi6868
    @daboyi6868 7 днів тому +2

    Hi great build, do you think I can do your Nr200p build in this case ?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +2

      Yes, 100%. Do you mean the ID Cooling IS-55 with the Phanteks T-30?

    • @daboyi6868
      @daboyi6868 7 днів тому +1

      @@chrisrussellcaYes ?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      You shouldn’t have any issues, you could go bigger however but if you want something super lowkey and simple then the NR200 setup would do good in the M2

    • @daboyi6868
      @daboyi6868 7 днів тому

      @@chrisrussellca Thank you so much.🙏🏽

  • @olivrrrr
    @olivrrrr 22 години тому

    Another major CON is the issues with stripped screw/threads. After trying different orientation setup back to back, my panels threads have become stripped which forced me to switch to a different case until I hear back from Ncase support for either a replacement or refund. Honestly, I'm no longer very confident with building this case because it wont hold up to multiple assembly/disassembly!

  • @Fernando.Cechinel
    @Fernando.Cechinel 4 дні тому

    Is it possible to install 2x140mm on the bottom in this configuration?

  • @N1cah25
    @N1cah25 7 днів тому +1

    I noticed your motherboard is upside-down (with regard to the I/O labels). Is there enough flexibility to mount it right-side up?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому

      Yes, the cool thing about the M2 is that it has 9 official layouts. Check it out here ncased.com/collections/m-series/products/m2-round

  • @mavevibenbtw
    @mavevibenbtw 6 днів тому +1

    how long did it take to arrive

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  6 днів тому

      It took me about 5 business days not including weekend.

  • @Callsign_Jaeger
    @Callsign_Jaeger 4 дні тому

    what should I say, I love mine.
    I went with the VGPU config, cramming an arctic liquid freezer 3 280 and a 4090 in there, it's a *tight* fit.

  • @marcosquezada6430
    @marcosquezada6430 7 днів тому +2

    Does the GPU sag in this config?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      Yes, there are some people working on 3D files for a GPU support that would attach to the top radiator bracket. Unfortunately that would require you to get a second bracket as the M2 only ships with one bracket. They sent me two so it wouldn’t be a problem. I did have success using this bracket….amzn.to/3CPwitC

  • @Duplex39
    @Duplex39 5 днів тому

    I'm leaning towards the T1, I want a compact case that I can take with me when a I travel (only about twice a year), I also really wanted the Arctic Liquid Freezer III but looks like that can't fit in the T1.
    But I think I will go an air cooled T1 for my final build, but I love seeing other options :)

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  5 днів тому

      The LF3 doesn’t fit in the T1 in any configuration. The ATMOS is very competent however.

  • @ahmedalagbari7564
    @ahmedalagbari7564 5 днів тому

    Hi, I'm planning a build with this case once the rtx 50 cards are released. Do you know what gpu clearance you get using an sfxl psu? Love the camera work

  • @somewhatideal
    @somewhatideal 7 днів тому +1

    Huh, I got the Sama IM01 cuz of the ability the put an matx mobo + atx psu. This posted just as my case is being delivered lol. It looks sleek, but I don't like the orientation of the PSU since it's pulling hot air from the inside of the case (if using matx mobo)
    Edit: just realized that the layout is almost exactly the same as the sama im01 and nr200, without the ability to add intake/exhaust fans on the top & bottom without using a riser cable for the gpu. I'm less tempted to get it now over the im01 😅

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      Tons of customizable orientations in the M2. Your case is good too, maybe I’ll get that case on the channel.

  • @EnigmasityGG
    @EnigmasityGG 7 днів тому

    Great video! I really like this case, but I feel like the classic layout with the GPU at the bottom and a high quality < 145 mm air cooler is the way to go.
    Really tempted by this case, however I just enjoy my current Dan A4 H2O build too much. The thermals on that are also insanely good, especially by SFF standards.

  • @Kassandra_Malaka
    @Kassandra_Malaka 2 дні тому

    more m2!!plz!!

  • @Frank-fb4dt
    @Frank-fb4dt 5 днів тому

    Have no idea how you managed to just bend those AIO tubes. I have the same M2 case too, 280 LF3 and boy it was not fitting. Had to install 4080 on the side using riser.

  • @zwart0
    @zwart0 3 дні тому

    i'm thinking of getting the M2 (mainly for the better GPU compatibility for the future.), i currently have a T1 in wich i have done a couple of builds in. (aio & air cooled) and i'm verry happy with the case, build experience & quality is a 10/10.
    I do find it odd to see the side by side temperature comparisation to have a slight advantage for the t1.
    anyone else that has both cases and see simular results?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  День тому

      Well the T1 needs the TGrill to get that advantage, for out of the box performance, the M2 takes the lead. For the purpose of the test I wanted to use the T-30s for both and you can only do that with the TGrill.

  • @inked-96
    @inked-96 6 днів тому +2

    Just finished installing a 4090 with a 9800x3d, asus b650e-i, Thermaltake TH280, and 2 addional fans underneath on a NR200P V2. Max GPU temps are 67 degrees underload and 72 degrees on the CPU under gaming load after 3 hours. Very impressed.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  6 днів тому

      Nice setup! Enjoy! Those are some nice temps!

    • @inked-96
      @inked-96 6 днів тому

      @chrisrussellca Thanks man. I'm glad the portable rig is finally complete.
      Just got some addional parts for my main rig at home.
      Another 9800x3d
      Asrock X870 Taichi
      4TB
      Thermaltake Tower 600
      Thermaltake 420 Aio.
      Then a 5090 upon release.

  • @gr4j0m3r
    @gr4j0m3r 7 днів тому +1

    My SF450 is dead TT.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому +1

      RIP 🪦

    • @gr4j0m3r
      @gr4j0m3r 7 днів тому

      @@chrisrussellca Just ordered Itsonas Dark Forest 550W SFX, waiting for it to arrive, It's a local brand but looks good.

  • @Erksah02
    @Erksah02 7 днів тому +1

    their fan brackets are wayy too restrictive. they shold have made a straightmetal bracket that you can move for eitehr 120 140 fan support and then optional brackets for sata mounts. These panels are so restrictive and i dont know why. Everything else is practically perfect

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  7 днів тому

      They’re also not the greatest quality, scratches on first use. I’m waiting or a company to make plastics screws that don’t scuff. I know there are some low noise screws but not for radiators

  • @fffforever
    @fffforever 7 днів тому +1

    FURKMARK

  • @joonhojung7765
    @joonhojung7765 5 днів тому

    Nice video! Love from South Korea. Would there be any plan on reviewing the Shiny Snake S400?

  • @MepeLepeL
    @MepeLepeL 4 дні тому

    noc tuah💀

  • @darveterdarveter4511
    @darveterdarveter4511 2 дні тому +1

    The back panel is designed disgustingly

  • @Zalionn
    @Zalionn День тому +1

    T1 for me. NCASE just doesn't feel special- unfinished even, can't put my finger on it.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  День тому +1

      I get what you mean. It doesn’t quite know what it wants to be.

  • @Donbros
    @Donbros 3 дні тому

    Its 165 if you are not choosing grater 😂

  • @bk201xe
    @bk201xe 5 днів тому +1

    watching this feels too much like watching that australian guy who does itx cases. watching his videos make me feel like i'm watching a dirty movie. i'm pretty sure his wife's got a bf or six and he's probably woke too. please do your own thing.

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  5 днів тому

      Gear Seekers? That’s not really my inspiration but it’s a fantastic channel.

  • @zafert85
    @zafert85 6 днів тому +1

    Your whole build just isnt balanced... I would have went for a D12L and wouldnt bother with AIO. Remove bottom intake fans, put them on top after dropping mobo all the way down

    • @mopey39
      @mopey39 6 днів тому

      What do you mean by not balanced?

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  6 днів тому +1

      Well in this orientation the 4080 is pulling air from the top, down and out the side mounted radiator, an advertised layout from NCASE. Now rather or not it’s a good layout, that’s a different story. Your setup would work but this is a partially liquid cooled build, I rarely air cool unless it’s in the T1. This is a review and the case isn’t even assembled anymore. It’s in the T1 e-white with the TGrill at the moment. So I wouldn’t use this configuration for a personal setup but just wanted to showcase a popular setup for this case. If I was using the M2 long term I’d opt to vertically mount the GPU, do a bottom intake and have the AIO exhausting to the top. I believe that’s level 9, unfortunately they didn’t have any vertical GPU kits when they sent the sample.

    • @zafert85
      @zafert85 5 днів тому

      @@chrisrussellca Fair enough. I prefer Air coolers over AIO when there is room for a twin tower cooler like a D12L. But thats me!

  • @darillfow
    @darillfow 4 дні тому +1

    What I see - Too small, too tight, fire hazard, overkilled priced, rip off costs. Not worth it. But hey good luck! 👍

    • @evanjohn1794
      @evanjohn1794 4 дні тому +4

      First time hearing about sff builds?😂😂😂

    • @chrisrussellca
      @chrisrussellca  4 дні тому +4

      That’s the life we choose. Some want a full skyscraper on their desk and others want a camper. 😂

    • @darillfow
      @darillfow 4 дні тому

      @@evanjohn1794 Lol, nah I've seen many builds, love watching people building their PC's it definitely relaxes me, Heck I've build many myself as well. I just don't see how the PC can breath in a tiny small box, just looks uncomfortable to me. That's all, just a matter of opinion.