Labour win seats but not the hearts and minds of the people
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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Summary
The hosts discuss the results of the general election in the UK and the implications of the first-past-the-post voting system. They highlight the discrepancy between the number of votes and the number of seats won by different parties. They also discuss the potential impact of a Labour government on issues such as education, multiculturalism, and freedom of speech. The hosts express their concerns about the erosion of traditional values and the neglect of ordinary families. They emphasize the importance of hard work and personal responsibility, and the need for a government that upholds these values.
Keywords
UK general election, first-past-the-post, voting system, Labour government, education, multiculturalism, freedom of speech, traditional values, hard work, personal responsibility
Takeaways
The first-past-the-post voting system in the UK can lead to a discrepancy between the number of votes and the number of seats won by different parties.
A Labour government may have implications for issues such as education, multiculturalism, and freedom of speech.
There is a concern about the erosion of traditional values and the neglect of ordinary families.
Hard work and personal responsibility are seen as important factors for success.
There is a desire for a government that upholds these values and allows individuals to make the best of their situation.
Titles
The Importance of Hard Work and Personal Responsibility
The Discrepancy in the UK's First-Past-the-Post Voting System
Sound Bites
"The first-past-the-post voting system means that winning seats doesn't necessarily equate to winning the popular vote."
"The injustice of the voting system has reached such proportions that it's not sustainable."
"Being a Catholic is going to be a much more important thing in the face of what's coming down the road."
Chapters
00:00
Introduction and Discussion of General Election Results
01:06
The Discrepancy in the UK's Voting System
10:59
The Importance of Catholicism in the Face of Change
14:39
The Erosion of Traditional Values and the Neglect of Ordinary Families
25:05
Desiring a Government that Upholds Traditional Values and Individual Freedom
If England could only embrace the Catholic faith. There is no utopia, however there would be improvement everywhere.
Any faith is an improvement. A belief that we answer to something higher than ourselves and strive to become better individuals, therefore creating a better society
I agree. It's got to come from higher and from within. Metanoia . However pride and arrogance prevents us from embracing a faith in this way. For all sorts of reasons.
Katherine run for parliament ❤❤❤
Gavin, you have helped heal my Irish American heart. I was always wary of English folks who looked down on us, but you have opened my eyes to our shared St. Thomas Beckett past. We were all just Catholic once.
Please advocate for Catholics to stay in the public square. Demand that the Reform or Conservative parties advocate for the protection of Christian morality
The Conservatives gave us the first Hindu prime minister. They will never support Christianity. They bend all their energy to importing as many foreigners as they can while covering it up.
I’m sure that’s right in theory, but Rod is very persuasive when he says that the game is over and there is no way we can make any contributions in the public Square in the circumstances. We have to find ways of building and defending Catholic communities.
@@DrGAshenden
Clearly the answer is to labor on both paths. Thanks for all you do. May God continue to bless you.
I agree with you, Katherine x
You both need to stay in the public square! Don’t walk away.
Thank you, and in a way that’s exactly what we are doing and intend to continue doing
Please keep finding a way! We need you! Love when you are UN-abbreviated! 🙏
Rant is most welcome Katherine.
At one time, the Labour Party was the party of labour. Many of my ancestors were coal miners. It was rather a grim life. At the end of a long and gruelling day down the pit, the coal miner would arrive home covered in coal dust to a house offering no more than a small tin bath and a kettle on the coal range for hot water. Getting clean was a major exercise. My great uncle, Edwin Wainwright, entered Parliament as the Parliamentary representative of the NUM. He was there for twenty-five years. He persisted in arguing for legislation requiring all coal mine owners to provide pit head showers and hot water for coal miners. Eventually, he was successful in having the necessary legislation introduced. For most of the country, it meant nothing. For coal mining families, it meant everything. Of course the Labour Party can achieve something. It just needs someone with the determination and gumption to keep plugging away until it is achieved.
The US Democrat party used to be the party of the common American. Now it is the party of the educated wealthy elites. It followed the same pattern as most of the unions into corruption. They gained power and wealth and left the common man behind. The only common people left are those who don't work and are paid for the vote on welfare, the few left in corrupt unions in big cities in bed with big business, the Islamic branch, the pride crowd, and some who thinking killing babies is priority number one.
The Democrat leadership and most elites live in isolation from the common people. Most no longer even have a relative doing the work of the common man. There is little respect for the work done by common people (despite the lip service) for many of them. Further, a growing number weren't even born in the US and are brought into the higher paying jobs or in through the colleges/universities to rule over the common American they have little connection or care for. There is less and less connection for most Democrats and the average American and often there is disdain for them unless they bow down and worship their betters.
❤️LOVE YOU TWO❤️
Concerning when middle England feels uncomfortable.
I once met someone who worked with Nigel Farage’s brother, who pronounced the family name “farridge” (that is, like porridge). However, his brother Nigel, on going into politics, decided to try to take the family name a little more up market by making it rhyme with the way in which Americans pronounce garage.
Well done Katherine. Managed to get there right at the end.
Who needs Hearts and Minds when you've got them by the short and curlies
Go, Katherine
I’m not an expert on UK political parties, but still wishing my cousin across the pond the best.
Labour full of Fabians our new PM being one
Zionists more like
Yes! Fabians indeed…
"First Past the Post" is an excellent way of racing horses, but an abysmal way of voting for representative legislatures.
“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake?" (Matthew 7: 9-10)
The impact of a Labour Government?
Labour has a very big bag of stones to dish out to the population of the UK, fantasy ideologies which have little or no basis in science or empirical observation and are so fragile they have to be protected by recourse to the law. It won't be long before people realise that, metaphorically speaking, it is bread they need.
Well said!
difference in emphasis here. Male says Gospel is what world needs, female says Politics is the main solution to the worlds system
I must be male then - a surprise for a 71 year-old grandma!
The gospel is the answer to everything, but we must be free to preach it and live it. Both the male and female have shared political views publicly and stridently, with the male encouraging a reform vote. As with all things Catholic, it’s both/and, not either/or
@@catholicunscripted Amen to your first statement and in fact to the
whole of your reply.
My comment was just my perception on this particular broadcast. I perceived a tension due to different emphasis. Although having listened to you both for some time now, I am convinced that the balance of word and action is a foundation of your Catholic Faith. I share Gavins concern that we are soon going to encounter political interference to Channels such as Catholic Unscripted.
I appreciate you taking the trouble to read my comment and your helpful reply.
In Christ
John
I don't think she said politics is the answer, but the Gospel touches upon every aspect of our lives, including the political. Maybe that's why there is such a thing as Catholic Social Teaching.
Thanks for watching John. And for taking the time to comment. These are testing times, but it’s into that darkness that the light penetrates. We never give up hope 🙏
I agree with what Katherine had to say about the way in which society treats black people. Not long ago, the Law Society seriously put forward the proposal that, since young black people found it so hard to study to obtain a degree and pass the necessary examinations to become a solicitor, the Law Society should introduce a quota system where a number of young black people would simply be admitted as solicitors without passing the necessary examinations! This was a serious proposal. The consequences of that sort of policy would be disastrous. Suppose that a young black person applies himself to his studies and obtains a good degree and passes his professional examinations with distinction. He then goes to work for a firm where another young black person has been taken on as a solicitor under the quota system, without having achieved the required academic standards. Others would look at them both and put them both into the same category. Clients would discretely ensure that they did not instruct either of them, having heard about the quota system.
Right on. "Treat others as you would like them to treat you." There is no quota system attached to it. However, I suggest society needs to be careful that requirements, standards, do not have any bias or prejudice built into them, whereby to evaluate on merit alone.🙂
I totally totally agree with your view Katherine Bennett!
It does look like under Labour, Christians will find life more difficult. Perhaps even open persecution. Sir Kier Starmer has promised the Muslims an Islamophobia law that not only protects them but protects the religion of Islam. Therefore could preaching that Christ is God, which "offends" the islamic teaching that Christ is not God be challenged in law? This is not a time for Christians to be divided.
Yes, Kemi Badenoch would be an excellent choice for leader of Conservatives.
This sounds like a party political broadcast?
For which party?
We have a similar disproportionality to vote problem on my side of the pond. It is called the Electoral College. Katherine, I understand and hope people will really take in what you said. I taught many years in inner city schools. I did church work among youth, Gavin, on Chicago's South Side in the 60s. However, for the Catholic, for the Christian, let it be foremost the application of Jesus' teachings and example OVER whatever government involvement there may be or public indifference. I think of the robbery victim on the road to Jericho. Lk 10.29-30.🙂
The Electoral College exists because the US is supposed to be a federal republic. It prevents populous states like (modern) NY & California from deciding who the president is.
Federalism was nearly destroyed by Lincoln who trod all over the ideal that government requires the consent of the governed and later by Wilson & FDR who spawned the administrative state.
I am pretty sure that "Stevie" went on to become Taylor Marshall.
😂😂
Guess we know who you didn’t vote for. One could have proportional representation. Seats in proportion to the overall vote share. However, you’d get a system where nothing gets done. However, you are right. It doesn’t mean they have the have “won the hearts” of the majority. But so what ? That would apply to to any party that won. What it means is that they have a chance to show the country that they are right. That’s the system you have. Far better than the US system where the person with fewer votes can still be President.
Our system is representative republic. We are so blessed.
You would also have in teh Commons a large collection of party yes-men. Did you know the name of your MEP, any of them ? They were elected by this sort of process.
Well done Gavin. You at last are prepared to disagree. When I vote I read psalm 82 and see which party are most likely to do what God wants it to do. The Labour Party seems, at the moment, to be the party closest to His psalm.
(You probably want to correct the spelling of “membership” in your opening screen)
Whoever edited this either doesn't agree with Gavin or is bad at editing. He got cut off before he reached his point a couple of times
I expect I’m being saved from myself!!!
@DrGAshenden that's all well and good for your self but our selves can choose whether we want to be saved from you or not. I would take the risk to not be saved for now if that's all the same from the Saviour 😊🙏
Forgive me but I don't get your point.
You are forgiven!
I find it so depressing that so many "Catholic" podcasts are fronted by diehard Tories. Working class Catholics in Scotland - both practising and cultural - and overwhelmingly of Irish descent, absolutely loath the Tory Party. Yet I come on here looking for something to uplift my Catholic faith, and all I get is hard core right wing propaganda masquerading as Catholicism. Always culture war drivel, never anything about the social gospel. Essentially middle class "perfect" people preaching to the poor working class
It’s hard to see how you read it that way. What is the social Gospel? If you listen carefully you will hear that what Gavin and Katherine are concerned about is that hard working people reap the rewards of their efforts, no matter their background and are left to raise their children in a way that they determine is best. Of course there must be a welfare state, but a bloated one is antithetical to Catholic social teaching. Katherine is a working class woman from Irish immigrants, her grandfather couldn’t read or write but worked hard. Her father was removed from school because education was a luxury not afforded to him. It’s mystifying that you could arrive at such conclusions and use the term ‘right wing’ in a perjorative way without explaining why you do so. It is precisely because we are Catholic that we seek to defend the family, and the elderly and the vulnerable in the womb, it just so happens that just now Labour are least likely to do that.
It's a shame because I enjoy Catholic Unscripted so much. Reckon Gavin Ashenden is really interesting and can listen to him all day....but the right wing stuff extolling the Tories and Reform, never an emphasis on poverty other than spiritual poverty but neglecting the material dimension. I actually believe we need to sort the internal - the self - before we can sort the external - society. But you are pushing a die hard Tory agenda. Nigel Farage: Jesus wept....
@@frankdevine1895Gavin encouraged people to vote Reform. If you like listening to him and see value in what he says, does it give you pause to wonder why?
It disgusts me that Catholics would vote for such a political party but there you go. I suppose it takes all kinds. I spoiled my ballot because, despite being a Tony Benn-style socialist I refused to vote for the socially liberal policies of the Labour Party but my father, God rest his soul, would turn in his grave if I voted for the Tories or dangerous reactionary bigots like Reform. Parties that constantly hit on the weakest members of society, especially immigrants and asylum seekers turn my stomach. It's clear that's the page people are on here. We'll all need to face the big man upstairs one day and I've enough on the debit side to manage already. I don't come from a community, family or demographic that would have the slightest affinity with selfish, right wing political parties. God bless
Dear Frank,
Please would you furnish us with examples of how reform plan to hit the weakest members of society? And who are those members? The unborn, the elderly and dying? How does Labour plan to treat those most vulnerable of people?
9:50 “l was a priest”..no you weren’t
It is not quite as simple as that. Officially, neither the Catholic Church nor the Church of England recognise the official designation “Priest”. In the Catholic Church, there are three orders, the Diaconate, the Presbyterate and the Episcopate. This is why the Parish Priest lives in a Presbytery - a home for the Presbyter. The word Presbyter means simply “Elder”. In addition, of course, the Church continues the Priestly ministry of Christ. All of the Faithful share in the universal priesthood of all believers, however, the Presbyter exercises this universal Priesthood in a special way, on behalf of the Faithful, by acting in the person of Christ, particularly, of course, in celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Now, the Church of England does call a Rector or a Curate by the courtesy title of “Priest”. This is largely a matter of an historical continuation of the ancient practice of the Catholic Church. So, Gavin was, correctly speaking a “Priest in the Church of England” as it is currently understood in that Church and it is not wrong for him to refer to himself in that way.
Yes, he was. Enough of your bigotry.
Sorry but I love Kathrine!!!!
…although not enough to spell her name correctly!
May I suggest Gavin you still display and work from and Anglican mind set about social matters….’you can’t mend it’ demonstrates this!!!!!
I would think Gavin is working from the mindset of a clergyman, which he has been. I wish he would enter the Ordinariate, as other Anglican clergy have, and take up Catholic holy orders.
@@royquick-s5nI sincerely hope that he does not! Gavin has already been offered Orders in the Catholic Church, but strictly on condition that he agrees to keep his mouth shut!
John, I don’t believe I ever had an Anglican mindset. In fact, I’m not even sure that such a thing exists. There are perhaps a number of Anglican mindsets- But I don’t believe I have ever possessed one.
From the time when I embarked on post graduate academic work with the Jesuits at London University in 1986, my mindset has become increasingly Catholic. Which is why ultimately I converted.
I do, however, think pope Francis has a something approaching an Anglican mindset.
@@Mark3ABE Your reply puzzles me. The Anglican Ordinariates are fully Roman Catholic. If entry were made on the condition he "keep his mouth shut," I would understand aversion to entry, but I do not know that is the case. It is coming via third person, hearsay, gossip.
@@DrGAshenden Gavin, that is where you and I differ. I do not believe that I need to suppress or to compartmentalize what may be true, especially in history, my profession. I have been Roman Catholic much longer than you and have known not a few Catholic clergy of repute.