Historically speaking battlecruisers and cruisers weren't meant to go up against battleships, no idea why Gaijin have decided they can balance the unbalanceable. Battleships, and maybe battlecruisers, need to be in their own separate battles.
wow, great advice, very much liked this vid. keep them coming.
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At this rate US should have the USS New Mexico. 356mm Germany should have the SMS Bayern. 380mm Italy should have the RN Francesco Caracciolo. 380mm Gun calibre doesn't matter.. Its the gun ammunition that matters. British shells are still better. The only ship that can penetrate the HMS Marlborough right now is the IJN Hyuga with 600mm penetration AP.
And Brits should (must) got Queen Elizabeth with also 15" guns...
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@@frantavomacka2882 if Brits go with their 380mm guns QE.. US should have the USS Colorado 406mm 16inch guns. US Colorado 406mm explosive mass..( 8 x 406mm) AP : 26kg AP : 15kg HE : 69kg Queen Elizabeth 380mm guns explosive mass.(8 x 406mm) AP: 27kg SAP : 58.9kg HE : 101kg SMS Bayern 380mm Guns explosive mass. (8 x 380mm) AP: 25kg HE: 67kg Francesco Caracciolo 380mm gun explosive mass (8 x 380mm) AP: 24kg SAP: 38kg HE: 50kg See how massively overpowered British shells are despite having 20mm smaller gun calibre.
@@pavleh4602 Soviets got Komuna after refit. It is enough. As premium they should get Royal Sovereign and "captured Italian BB" which later blowed up (it should be feature there - in the battle it should randomly explode :D). That's all. They had nothing more. But who is worring about russian navy?
i have no idea where you got this idea that only hyuga can only pen marlborough, the dante has 620mm pen on its AP shell, so hyuga isnt alone, not only because of there High pen, but because to pen marlborough you dont need alot, this is because the ships armour isnt great, it does have a 305mm belt but its a slither of armour, the upper belts are only around 228mm and 200mm in thickness, which most dreads can do easily, marlborugh does have fairly low magazines and shell rooms though, so its not a floating ammo rack but still again, no idea where you get this idea that the marlborough is some tank, your right that the Ammo is Op but the Ammo isnt too overpowered, yes it gets the best AP and HE with the seccond best SAP but it only gets 10 guns, and the SAP is similar to hyuga sap in terms of it having not a huge amount of Pen, compared to soviet SAP. while you could make the argument about more ships being added, realisticly all those ships would be better than the marlbourogh other than new mexico, really the QEs should be added if your gonna add other 15inch ships, because there not too different in terms of shell power, bar the HE but even then HE isnt the be all end all when fighting dreads.
Jesus thats OP, i was interested what will be this "Major" update new meta, no new meta in air, no tank, almost nothing but this.. this battleship is that new OP meta
Hyuga is better(12 guns + better SAP, that is available in stock). Kommuna is still with AA and high reload rate and 12 guns (and HE, that travels at 950 m/s). This thing does no new meta. It's just a strong compender.
actually in the future of warthunder naval is that if there are now ww2 battle ship the dreadnoughts will most likely be separated from 5.0+ to 1.0+ and the reaserch points will lower and the cost of the silver lion and the battles will be like battle of jutland but there will be planes and different kinds of dreadnought and the cruisers will be light cruisers and destroyer will be the reserved ones this is only my opinion this might not come true
Naval has never been worse imo, high caliber he is now ridicolously broken, taking up to 20-30 percent crew in a single salvo. The he/sap shrapnel ignores armor in a way it shouldn't. The new aiming is just really annoying to use too
I used to play a lot of top tier Naval until Gaijin "rebalanced the economy" and gave the BBs 40k+ repair costs. After that, I could get 6 kills with premium and still take a loss. No thank you. On top of this, you need to consider that any many games, any BB is bomb/torp bait and you will have many spawns where you just die and take the full repair cost hit while having done nothing, simply because of air/torps, and this is extremely frequent if the BB is not your initial spawn. I lost all interest in high tier naval. It's simply too unrewarding and feels like crap to play. I only play boats to grind tasks now. Naval is in a very bad state and it's all Gaijin's fault for being so stingy with SL and also for the many stupid damage model buffs to DDs.
My very first BB Match was terrible. Stock grind, no FPE, no parts. No sooner than I started to turn out of spawn and lay a shell downrange, I get hit by an HE round that lights me, and proceeds to burn my ammo 10 seconds later. 350 damage done in less than 2 minutes of playing and a lost free repair. Survivability is a joke.
Having a BB is a mix bag of Fun and pain most naval player can just rush on getting rank 5 BB then get wrecked . Specialy its just dificult to survive if your teamates are noobs on battleships within 5 mins they are gone and all your light cruisers are in the bottom of the sea. With a 50k and up repair cost its just painful. 10mins in game its just you and 10 ships focus firing on you.
Still they insist on making parts and FPE research items rather than something by default. Absolutely moronic game design choice for a mode based around ships. And to be honest, there is no way you should have been able to recover from the flooding and listing to that extent at the end. The fact that ships can 100% recover from catastrophic flooding at all is ridiculous. There should be a threshold where pumps or bulkheads are overwhelmed, and from that point you can’t recover from that amount of flooding. Like a 13.5 in hole in the side of a destroyer should at most allow them to get back to 80% buoyancy, not 100%.
Why don't 50k SL battleships come with tools and fpe unlocked? It's ridiculous to have to burn to death when literally everything catches you on fire. You can't even repair your turrets at a cap point. I don't think they want people to play naval.
Infamous is not a synonym of famous it means famous for being bad/evil it is a synonym of notorious. I understand that it doesn't follow standard English grammar rules so mistakes will happen with non-native speakers. The word, famous, comes down to English from its Latin root, fama, which meant “celebrated” in the sense of having a good reputation, esteem, or stature. Someone without stature would not be celebrated; or, in other words, he would be infamous. The word, infamous, today retains the old sense of the word, famous; and when we add in-, it means to have a low reputation or esteem.
Semi armor piercing. It's the best round in War Thunder for most battleships by far, because it has enough penetration for almost all targets, coupled with a huge amount of explosive. Generally when I played BBs, I would bring 100% SAP on BBs with a good SAP round, or something like 2/3 SAP and 1/3 AP on ships with bad SAP rounds (Germany).
@@magiaconatus I'm pretty sure the new aiming mechanics have an impact on things, I could not dial in the range with the manual distance correction , there needs to be a function to turn the auto range finder off.
The squishest ships ( Soviet ones and USA ) are the same br as this thing and the German tanks fukers are a lower br , and then they all fight together because of the br competition
@@Napalmratte How is Imperiatritsa better? It has a lower fire rate, no AA guns, less protection, higher repair cost, much worse torpedo protection and it is much more affected by fires and likely to explode. I've only ever managed to blow up a single Kommuna in my life. I'm sorry, but what you are saying makes no sense to me. Explain.
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Historically speaking battlecruisers and cruisers weren't meant to go up against battleships, no idea why Gaijin have decided they can balance the unbalanceable.
Battleships, and maybe battlecruisers, need to be in their own separate battles.
i feel like an EC mode would balance it
full crew, empty wallet, cas it takes a pile of ge to have full crew
I see naval i click.
Exceptional screenshots
So how long before we get a cigarette company skin on WT live? 🤔
wow, great advice, very much liked this vid. keep them coming.
At this rate
US should have the USS New Mexico. 356mm
Germany should have the SMS Bayern. 380mm
Italy should have the RN Francesco Caracciolo. 380mm
Gun calibre doesn't matter.. Its the gun ammunition that matters. British shells are still better.
The only ship that can penetrate the HMS Marlborough right now is the IJN Hyuga with 600mm penetration AP.
And Brits should (must) got Queen Elizabeth with also 15" guns...
@@frantavomacka2882 if Brits go with their 380mm guns QE.. US should have the USS Colorado 406mm 16inch guns.
US Colorado 406mm explosive mass..( 8 x 406mm)
AP : 26kg
AP : 15kg
HE : 69kg
Queen Elizabeth 380mm guns explosive mass.(8 x 406mm)
AP: 27kg
SAP : 58.9kg
HE : 101kg
SMS Bayern 380mm Guns explosive mass. (8 x 380mm)
AP: 25kg
HE: 67kg
Francesco Caracciolo 380mm gun explosive mass (8 x 380mm)
AP: 24kg
SAP: 38kg
HE: 50kg
See how massively overpowered British shells are despite having 20mm smaller gun calibre.
And Soviets get what ?
@@pavleh4602 Soviets got Komuna after refit. It is enough. As premium they should get Royal Sovereign and "captured Italian BB" which later blowed up (it should be feature there - in the battle it should randomly explode :D). That's all. They had nothing more. But who is worring about russian navy?
i have no idea where you got this idea that only hyuga can only pen marlborough, the dante has 620mm pen on its AP shell, so hyuga isnt alone, not only because of there High pen, but because to pen marlborough you dont need alot, this is because the ships armour isnt great, it does have a 305mm belt but its a slither of armour, the upper belts are only around 228mm and 200mm in thickness, which most dreads can do easily, marlborugh does have fairly low magazines and shell rooms though, so its not a floating ammo rack but still again, no idea where you get this idea that the marlborough is some tank, your right that the Ammo is Op but the Ammo isnt too overpowered, yes it gets the best AP and HE with the seccond best SAP but it only gets 10 guns, and the SAP is similar to hyuga sap in terms of it having not a huge amount of Pen, compared to soviet SAP.
while you could make the argument about more ships being added, realisticly all those ships would be better than the marlbourogh other than new mexico, really the QEs should be added if your gonna add other 15inch ships, because there not too different in terms of shell power, bar the HE but even then HE isnt the be all end all when fighting dreads.
Jesus thats OP, i was interested what will be this "Major" update new meta, no new meta in air, no tank, almost nothing but this.. this battleship is that new OP meta
Hyuga is better(12 guns + better SAP, that is available in stock). Kommuna is still with AA and high reload rate and 12 guns (and HE, that travels at 950 m/s).
This thing does no new meta. It's just a strong compender.
You can watch gunship's review, with numbers and normal comparison. He did the review much bettee
actually in the future of warthunder naval is that if there are now ww2 battle ship the dreadnoughts will most likely be separated from 5.0+ to 1.0+ and the reaserch points will lower and the cost of the silver lion and the battles will be like battle of jutland but there will be planes and different kinds of dreadnought and the cruisers will be light cruisers and destroyer will be the reserved ones this is only my opinion this might not come true
Naval has never been worse imo, high caliber he is now ridicolously broken, taking up to 20-30 percent crew in a single salvo. The he/sap shrapnel ignores armor in a way it shouldn't. The new aiming is just really annoying to use too
I used to play a lot of top tier Naval until Gaijin "rebalanced the economy" and gave the BBs 40k+ repair costs. After that, I could get 6 kills with premium and still take a loss. No thank you. On top of this, you need to consider that any many games, any BB is bomb/torp bait and you will have many spawns where you just die and take the full repair cost hit while having done nothing, simply because of air/torps, and this is extremely frequent if the BB is not your initial spawn.
I lost all interest in high tier naval. It's simply too unrewarding and feels like crap to play. I only play boats to grind tasks now. Naval is in a very bad state and it's all Gaijin's fault for being so stingy with SL and also for the many stupid damage model buffs to DDs.
Huge tip: get a bunch of backups, when you die respawn in the back up and it slashes the repair cost by SO much
My very first BB Match was terrible. Stock grind, no FPE, no parts. No sooner than I started to turn out of spawn and lay a shell downrange, I get hit by an HE round that lights me, and proceeds to burn my ammo 10 seconds later. 350 damage done in less than 2 minutes of playing and a lost free repair. Survivability is a joke.
I want to see American battleships after 1942 eventually. All dreadnaughts are in late 1910's currently
Having a BB is a mix bag of Fun and pain most naval player can just rush on getting rank 5 BB then get wrecked . Specialy its just dificult to survive if your teamates are noobs on battleships within 5 mins they are gone and all your light cruisers are in the bottom of the sea. With a 50k and up repair cost its just painful. 10mins in game its just you and 10 ships focus firing on you.
"Realistic" economy
The win gets more
The lose "lose" more
Still they insist on making parts and FPE research items rather than something by default. Absolutely moronic game design choice for a mode based around ships.
And to be honest, there is no way you should have been able to recover from the flooding and listing to that extent at the end. The fact that ships can 100% recover from catastrophic flooding at all is ridiculous. There should be a threshold where pumps or bulkheads are overwhelmed, and from that point you can’t recover from that amount of flooding. Like a 13.5 in hole in the side of a destroyer should at most allow them to get back to 80% buoyancy, not 100%.
problem with flooding is that bulkheads and watertight compartments don't exist for it, one hole can flood entire ship if not repaired...
Why don't 50k SL battleships come with tools and fpe unlocked? It's ridiculous to have to burn to death when literally everything catches you on fire. You can't even repair your turrets at a cap point. I don't think they want people to play naval.
there you answered your own question
That would be my only fix they need to add the ability to repair at capture points like in tank battles
Infamous is not a synonym of famous it means famous for being bad/evil it is a synonym of notorious. I understand that it doesn't follow standard English grammar rules so mistakes will happen with non-native speakers. The word, famous, comes down to English from its Latin root, fama, which
meant “celebrated” in the sense of having a good reputation, esteem, or
stature. Someone without stature would not be celebrated; or, in other
words, he would be infamous. The word, infamous, today retains the old sense of the word, famous; and when we add in-, it means to have a low reputation or esteem.
What does SEP round stand for?
I’ve never heard a round for naval guns be called SEP, especially that of a battleship.
SAP - Semi Armour Piercing
Basically a HE round with an AP capping
Kinda a compromise between penetration power and post pen damage
Semi armor piercing. It's the best round in War Thunder for most battleships by far, because it has enough penetration for almost all targets, coupled with a huge amount of explosive. Generally when I played BBs, I would bring 100% SAP on BBs with a good SAP round, or something like 2/3 SAP and 1/3 AP on ships with bad SAP rounds (Germany).
Does anybody think the brit heavy cruisers accuracy has been nerfed?
It feels like it. Not necessarily CAs but CLs as well, My Dido used to hit a high percentage of HE spamming shots, not it struggles.
Nothing has changed.
@@magiaconatus I'm pretty sure the new aiming mechanics have an impact on things, I could not dial in the range with the manual distance correction , there needs to be a function to turn the auto range finder off.
Noooo, poor Hyuga :(
Hyuga js still better (at least 12 guns, bro)
The squishest ships ( Soviet ones and USA ) are the same br as this thing and the German tanks fukers are a lower br , and then they all fight together because of the br competition
These news right in... water is wet
Trade off with American high fire rate destroyers and cruisers
And Russian nuke guns I think balances out
How do you aim? New system
basically just like the old system
Cannot hold a candle to Kommuna.
Kommuna sucks - Imperiatritsa is better and Malborough is dope!
@@Napalmratte How is Imperiatritsa better? It has a lower fire rate, no AA guns, less protection, higher repair cost, much worse torpedo protection and it is much more affected by fires and likely to explode.
I've only ever managed to blow up a single Kommuna in my life. I'm sorry, but what you are saying makes no sense to me. Explain.
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