1 TRICK To Hunt Better: Advice From A Pro - Season 2: Episode 91

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  • Опубліковано 6 бер 2023
  • Welcome to the Ron Spomer Outdoors Podcast! In this episode, I talk with Erik Cortina about long-range shooting. Cortina is a professional F-Class shooter and has been competing since 2008. He has one suggestion that will make you a better hunter, in this episode of Ron Spomer Outdoors.
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    Who is Ron Spomer
    For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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    All loading, handloading, gunsmithing, shooting and associated activities and demonstrations depicted in our videos are conducted by trained, certified, professional gun handlers, instructors, and shooters for instructional and entertainment purposes only with emphasis on safety and responsible gun handling. Always check at least 3 industry handloading manuals for handloading data, 2 or 3 online ballistic calculators for ballistic data. Do not modify any cartridge or firearm beyond what the manufacturer recommends. Do not attempt to duplicate, mimic, or replicate anything you see in our videos. Firearms, ammunition, and constituent parts can be extremely dangerous if not used safely.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 155

  • @ErikCortina
    @ErikCortina Рік тому +112

    Thanks for having me on Ron. I had a great time.

    • @RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast
      @RonSpomerOutdoors-Podcast  Рік тому +15

      Thanks for being on the show! I enjoyed our conversation.

    • @waynesides2626
      @waynesides2626 Рік тому +7

      Thank you for reaffirming the same beliefs I've been taught and have taught others. The software is still the most important piece of equipment you have in the field. Great job!

    • @Buckeyesully
      @Buckeyesully Рік тому +5

      Two of my favorite channels!!!

    • @Master...deBater
      @Master...deBater Рік тому +2

      My God what a great podcast...thank you so much Erik! This footage should be required viewing for ALL up and coming hunters. All this long range hunting propaganda out there trying to convince new hunters that shooting big game at extreme distances is somehow ethical is absolutely sickening! It's a tribute to your character that your first priority is to the ethical treatment of the animals you hunt. You are an absolute class act...best of luck in all your endeavors.

    • @Michael-hm8cs
      @Michael-hm8cs Рік тому +1

      Legend. edit: I hope that the competition is held in Cape Town as I will definitely check it out then.

  • @sha6mm
    @sha6mm Рік тому +34

    This was a awesome show Erik and Ron. Something I do believe is someone will learn a lot more in one year of competition shooting than a hunter will in 20 years. Who noticed Ron’s eye’s light up with .284 Win.

    • @Trythis837
      @Trythis837 Рік тому +4

      What they need is a competition that simulates coyote hunting. Take a 5”x10” target and send it across a field at different angles going 35 mph then shoot it from 150-300 yards away. Could even throw in a bunch of bonus pop up 2”x6” prairie dog targets all done in a 10mph wind of course.

  • @denverkwiatkowski3378
    @denverkwiatkowski3378 Рік тому +18

    My two favorite channels all rolled into one. Great video Ron!!

  • @brandonedge1276
    @brandonedge1276 Рік тому +8

    Experience, the best teacher.

  • @denisleblanc4506
    @denisleblanc4506 Рік тому +5

    A long time ago I was tricked into shooting a long range competition by a co-worker. I had been told that I only had to spot the hits and maybe try to see the vapor trails. Once I got there I found out it was two man teams and both had to shoot. I had never fired the rifle and the only prone shooting I had done was indoors with 22LR. I was amazed how far I shot and how much we had to dial in for wing. After the competition I was talking to an uncle who was a long time hunter of everything. When I told him we started at 600 meters he asked what I was shooting and what the wind was. I described the breeze and told him it was a 308 with 168 grain bullets. He said "that would be close to two feet of drift." I was floored. We were dialing about 22.5 inches! This was long before range finders, kestrels and competition scopes we have now. But he hunted for decades. He was the best off-hand shooters I have ever seen. I'd been hunting a while but knew very little. This predates even ballistic software.

  • @edwardabrams4972
    @edwardabrams4972 Рік тому +7

    The man knows his stuff! I have been following Eric for years and having done a little hunting and reloading as well as collecting rifles in 60+ years I am still learning new things from people like Eric which is refreshing too us old guns guys!

  • @davidsutherland4151
    @davidsutherland4151 Рік тому +4

    One of the best interviews I have seen to date. I am a huge fan of both Eric and you Ron and seeing the both of you discussing not only target shooting but hunting and bringing both worlds together to help us see the relationship between the two. Is the most informative podcast ever.
    Please do more of these. It has inspired me to do much more work with wind reading.

  • @joshh5853
    @joshh5853 Рік тому +5

    I love the normal gun/cartridge stuff but this content was excellent. I can’t imagine what we could all learn spending a little time with Erik at the range

  • @DRHODES1979
    @DRHODES1979 Рік тому +2

    Great interview. I know it was alluded to, but I don't think it was hammered on enough. If you really want to be a better shooter/hunter go compete. Whether it's F-Class, PRS, NRL Hunter or your local field style rifle match, there is no better way to learn your capabilities, limitations and equipment than competition. Even if you just go to watch, you can learn so much.

  • @bradcromwell9404
    @bradcromwell9404 Рік тому +1

    "Once you have your rifle set up, go shoot in the wind!" Wise, quote Eric.

  • @sethlarson5110
    @sethlarson5110 Рік тому +1

    I enjoy listening to a world class shooter that is also an ethical hunter discussing long range hunting

  • @user-nh8et9kc1m
    @user-nh8et9kc1m 2 місяці тому

    I’ve been listening to your podcast/videos for a while now and I think this is your most informative, entertaining, and most productive podcast.

  • @davidbrock1565
    @davidbrock1565 Рік тому +3

    This episode was very good Ron! I have followed Erik for probably 3 yrs +/- on UA-cam. Both you and Erik are the real deal. Have a great day!

  • @jaybrueggeman8060
    @jaybrueggeman8060 Рік тому +3

    So cool. Ron Spomer on Erik Cortina's Believe the Target podcast and now Erik or Ron's Outdoors podcast. Good stuff.

  • @rickquist3992
    @rickquist3992 Рік тому +1

    Erik Cortina's interview of Ron Spomer is a must see. I think it's on his Believe The Target channel.

  • @davidfornkahl8374
    @davidfornkahl8374 Рік тому +1

    Love this guy. Ron, you , Eric, Randy Selby, and Who Tee Who, are my favorites. Really liked this interview. Now, get Randy Selby( The Real Gunsmith) on your show.

  • @laughingdog6010
    @laughingdog6010 Рік тому +9

    Your best pod cast so far, so much info to digest.

  • @aaronwilcox6417
    @aaronwilcox6417 Рік тому +3

    Ron, I've mentioned this before that you need to make a field video on this subject. We live in the same state and there good locations to practice high angle and cross canyon shots off a pack, bipod, off hand, with a sling. This would be the best content you could possibly make. I'll be looking forward to your efforts.

  • @aaronsteele7585
    @aaronsteele7585 Рік тому +4

    I follow you both! Interesting to see you guys together. There is alot of knowledge on my screen right now!

  • @andyfleetwood2182
    @andyfleetwood2182 Рік тому

    Thanks Ron for putting this up on you tube. I've followed Eric for a coupla years , i don't shoot competion, but hunt and shoot for fun and reload. Erics advice on reloading and setting up rifles and scopes helped this 70 years old a lot, as have your podcasts, when i thought i had it all figured out!

  • @gimpyRW
    @gimpyRW Рік тому +1

    Great advice. I'm guilty of wimping out when it's windy or a little to moist out on the range. Now I know that I gotta quit being a wimp and just get out there and shoot.

  • @matthewgrice6902
    @matthewgrice6902 Рік тому

    Another great collaberation video. Thank you Ron and Erik.

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому

    Hi Eric and Ron, sure am glad you 2 particularly; put up with the U-tube BS and bring top content producers to the viewers. This and E-mail are my only public outlet.

  • @fousea12
    @fousea12 Рік тому +1

    Great show! Living in the west I find people can’t judge distance. 300 yards to a lot of people is called 450 to 500 yards. Myself 400 is a extreme long shot. I prefer 300 or less. On the plains not easy sometimes, but you can usually work closer

  • @johnoltrogge6333
    @johnoltrogge6333 Рік тому +1

    Thanks so much for tapping into the Erik Cortina resource. I once hunted with a man that absolutely wouldn't go to the range if the wind was over five miles per hour, but I did, especially when it was a full value cross wind. Soon, I found that estimating the drift at 200-300 was much easier and I've now been able to hit steel to 1000. What confidence that gives me, without being overconfident. Great video guys!

  • @7506999
    @7506999 7 місяців тому

    BTW.... Eric WON worlds.. Two of my favorite icons on this one. Enjoyed it.

  • @280AI
    @280AI Рік тому +1

    Ron
    I always enjoy your podcast , but this was one of your best. Really enjoyed Erik and all his advice of which I found many pieces of advice particularly helpful for an old Elk hunter like myself.

  • @davidsalsedo
    @davidsalsedo Рік тому +1

    Two of my all time favorites in the riflemen's world. Great interview.

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому +1

    Paper plate sized vitals. Post targets where you want to shoot. My brother and I used quarters and dimes and Aspirin tablets at ranges from 25 to 125 yds. Shoot cold bore groups. You should be hunting up wind.

  • @homes8362
    @homes8362 Рік тому +2

    Howa bout the 280 Remington. It's a 284 Winchester with different brass. I really believe that the 280 Remington is the best non magnum round ever devised, and the 30/06 is the second. I will say that my old Remington 700 BDL is the most accurate rifle that I have since I've perfected the load. One hole groups about the size of a nickel isn't nothing to sneeze at, but I always let the barrel cool off for ten minutes between shots.

    • @sergiolazzaro7970
      @sergiolazzaro7970 Рік тому

      270 y 30-06 5 min 2 shot dias frios y 45 min dias caleintes

  • @bryanohalloran9001
    @bryanohalloran9001 Рік тому

    A great chat fellars.!
    Thanks Ron and Eric for this video

  • @hotfarts6731
    @hotfarts6731 Рік тому +1

    Without watching the full video, I would say Erik's self imposed limit is 100 yard, 3 shot 1/4 minute group...all on the crease behind a deer's front quarter (before it tips over).

  • @vernonhelms2316
    @vernonhelms2316 Рік тому

    I’m so glad I ran into this video , I follow both you guys , and to have you both in one video is so awesome thanks for all you guys do , I appreciate you guys very much 😉❤️‼️

  • @daveknowles3055
    @daveknowles3055 Рік тому +1

    Excellent show, some very simple things to do to become a better shooter, what more can you ask.

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому

    New world Champion. let me congratulate you. Eric, when you were shooting silhouettes; did you ever shoot against Mr Lee ONeal. He won the nationals shooting a Rem. 260

  • @bisleyblackhawk1288
    @bisleyblackhawk1288 11 місяців тому

    Eric’s demeanor and Southern respect in his using “sir” in his response is fantastic 👍👍👍… what a class act…thank you Ron for your channel!

  • @m444ss
    @m444ss Рік тому

    "A man's got to know his limitations."
    (1) I think the most important part of this really great interview is establishing a self-imposed max range based on capability on paper / static target and a reduction factor for hunting (seems like 40-60% of on-paper capability depending on skill level).
    (2) I think the very close second - and probably first if not proficient, consistent *and* shooting regularly - is to know and rely on MPBR and only going beyond MPBR (within the the constraints of item 1) if conditions are near optimal.

  • @luloadventure
    @luloadventure Рік тому +1

    Great Podcast!
    More Podcast like this one.
    I love this kind of conversation between two great shooters.
    Thanks Ron and Erik.

  • @wrenchoperator6435
    @wrenchoperator6435 Рік тому +2

    Excellent podcast, Ron!

  • @georgedeedsnotwords2162
    @georgedeedsnotwords2162 Рік тому +1

    Great video guys ! I really enjoy when two different shooters get together and discuss the Commons and differences between the two . And how to work through problems to be better at what we do . 👍🍻🍻🍻

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому +1

    does anybody ever use a 25-06 for long range. my neighbor/gunsmith Shoots a water-cooled long barrel he takes to prairie dog shoots. love the way eric explains things.

  • @glenj.taylor2938
    @glenj.taylor2938 Рік тому +2

    Outstanding stuff gentleman!
    I wished I would have know this was coming but at least I get to go back and watch watch I missed.
    Immense respect for both of you gentleman and thank you very much for sharing your lives and wisdom with all of us.

  • @holylick5522
    @holylick5522 Рік тому

    Two of my favorite shooters on the same video. You guys are the best, keep up the create videos.

  • @wesleywhitworth2424
    @wesleywhitworth2424 Рік тому

    My two favorite hunting/shooting hosts on UA-cam. These two men can tell you everything you ever wanted to know.

  • @robertotto5811
    @robertotto5811 Рік тому +1

    Great episode. Great interview. I've learned a lot from watching Eric's videos, it was interesting to hear him speak from the hunting perspective. It's always nice to hear an expert confirm things you've learned the hard way. As a bonus, I learned a great new excuse for missing. "I hit a bug"!

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому +1

    Get a topo. well before the hunt and carry it with you. Where i go the deer know who i am, where i live and what i drive. I still only only have to shoot 50 or less yds. Last one was the side porch steps with a glock 20.

  • @pastordarwin
    @pastordarwin Рік тому +1

    Outstanding! I am a Thompson Center Encore (pistol) hunter. I have a 338 Win Mag for one barrel and shoot 225 grain SBT fairly consistently. I have found that the gun is far more capable than I will ever be. It will shoot 300 yards when I remove most of user input (sandbags, rest, etc.). However, for me off-hand 200 is the most I really want to try. With a pistol this big, even in the field, I do need a good rest - whatever that might be. The optics I use are Burris pistol scopes (excellent optics) so the equipment is up to snuff for longer ranges, but I am unwilling to trust the man behind the trigger: me. Over the years I see definitive improvement in my shooting ability when I practice a LOT, it suffers in those years when I am called to other tasks. Once again, excellent discussion and content, thank you Ron . . .

  • @longshooter457
    @longshooter457 Рік тому

    Two professional gentelmen having a little honest to honest chat together.I can't tell you guys how much I enjoyed this. Thank you both. A little news if no one heard..Mr Cortina won in South Africa. Congrads Erik.

  • @davidfornkahl8374
    @davidfornkahl8374 Рік тому

    I did his advice about shooting on a really windy day. WOW! This is when I found out about the " MAGIC" of the .264 Winchester Magnum and the 140 gr. REMINGTON CORELOKT BULLETS. Factory loads moving at around 3100 fps.

  • @jorgefigueroa7573
    @jorgefigueroa7573 Рік тому

    Excellent this is one great show and Observation into examples of hunting and competition shooting. Something that I have tried to express for a long time. A controlled enviroment Vs unknown inconsistant one. It like my cousin would say to me during a second deployment in Iraq. Its never the same when they shoot back.

  • @reloadingfun
    @reloadingfun Рік тому +2

    I'm a fellow f-class shooter, and I have to disagree with Eric (K) 😉 somewhat when it comes to tuning a rifle to shoot good vs learning to shoot correctly. In my experience, it's easier to get one when you have the other. Having a good shooting rifle gives you better feedback on your shooting skills. If your rifle doesn't shoot very well, you don't know if that high or low shot was you or the gun. I think this applies to shooting f-clas or hunting.

  • @johnt34aus
    @johnt34aus Рік тому

    Two greats together

  • @10hunterLab
    @10hunterLab Рік тому

    Eric and Ron, thanks for the info. Great stuff!

  • @cervus-venator
    @cervus-venator Рік тому

    I've watched more than a few of Erik's videos. A wealth of knowledge there. Thanks Ron for having him as a guest.

  • @paulsimmons5726
    @paulsimmons5726 Рік тому

    Glad to hear a world class shooter explaining the how and why of his self-imposed distance limit. I applaud his commitment to ethical hunting! Great interview!

  • @poisonPpaully
    @poisonPpaully Рік тому +2

    Great podcast I hope you can get Eric back on at some point

  • @riaanjs
    @riaanjs Рік тому

    I had so many questions between hunting and long range shooting. Here you come and answer my question. This pot cast is one of the best. Thank's. Ron.

  • @albertmeintjes
    @albertmeintjes Рік тому

    Really enjoyed this chat Ron and Erik, thanks. See you in South Africa Erik

  • @jwelkie
    @jwelkie Рік тому

    This was great!

  • @robertagusti3712
    @robertagusti3712 Рік тому +1

    Another exelent Pod Cast Ron Eric has a great personality and a great shooter.

  • @adamturnbull6157
    @adamturnbull6157 Рік тому

    Great guest! Thank you

  • @kellyrick4365
    @kellyrick4365 Рік тому

    Great Pod Cast. Thank you both!!!!

  • @ronladuke7235
    @ronladuke7235 Рік тому +1

    Love this video, I have seen videos with guys taking big game at 800 or 1200 yards but they only show perfect kill shots not the shot where they shoot one through the guts and it runs off to be lost! When hunters watch these shots they may assume with modern hardware you can shoot game at 1000 yards? If I shot a big game animal at extreme range I would not be bragging about it, I would be ashamed!

  • @ryanbieberich6332
    @ryanbieberich6332 Рік тому

    AWESOME!

  • @tallyman15
    @tallyman15 Рік тому

    Great interview.

  • @craigrussell1101
    @craigrussell1101 Рік тому

    Great show!!!

  • @judodavid1
    @judodavid1 Рік тому

    Thank you for the knowledge

  • @victorbustamante1795
    @victorbustamante1795 Рік тому +1

    This is awesome much appreciated

  • @roddecker1900
    @roddecker1900 Рік тому

    Best one you both have done

  • @dinoquintana4319
    @dinoquintana4319 11 днів тому

    I stopped trophy hunting 20 yrs ago.i left my model 70 supergrade in 7mm rem mag for a model 54 win in 3006 with a lyman target sight.here recently I bought a 120 year old savage model 99 carbine in 303savage .basically a twin of the 3030.it too has a tang sight and is capable of taking any elk out to 225 yds.cow elk are much better eating and are much easier to kill then a rutting bull even a small one.i will stay with my 54 for mulies as they may present a much longer shot .mountains of nm

  • @lyndeen
    @lyndeen Рік тому

    Great video!

  • @naylorinnovationsllc7483
    @naylorinnovationsllc7483 Рік тому

    Good stuff. Thank you guys.

  • @chrisgunsandguitars1403
    @chrisgunsandguitars1403 Рік тому

    Very good episode!

  • @gregwhite6334
    @gregwhite6334 10 місяців тому

    Great show Ron thanks.

  • @gregchambers6100
    @gregchambers6100 Рік тому

    You two together are tip top notch. Thank you.

  • @paullesho9294
    @paullesho9294 Рік тому

    That was great , 2 of my 3 favorite UA-camr in one video. Thanks

  • @jw3946
    @jw3946 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic Interview. Thank you!

  • @wadeparker6091
    @wadeparker6091 Рік тому +1

    Very good pod cast. Loaded with different info. Keep up the good work.

  • @TheSnakeman3
    @TheSnakeman3 Рік тому

    Nice podcast. Thanks for the information guys.

  • @jamesborden7112
    @jamesborden7112 Рік тому

    Ice job Ron and Erik

  • @nmelkhunter1
    @nmelkhunter1 Рік тому

    Great discussion. I really wish more hunters would spend the time to use their software instead of just their hardware.

  • @johnbennett7244
    @johnbennett7244 Рік тому

    Good video. Good info.

  • @robertdimeski4173
    @robertdimeski4173 Рік тому

    That was great information Ron, really has opened my thoughts on what is required to improve cheers👍🇦🇺

  • @TJ257ACK
    @TJ257ACK Рік тому

    Awesome podcast! Much respect for both opinions on long range hunting. Gentleman, I thank you.

  • @nikkir1975
    @nikkir1975 Рік тому

    Great video. Good luck Eric in Africa

  • @charlesmullins3238
    @charlesmullins3238 Рік тому

    Charles Greer shot a 2.8125” 10rd group at 1000yrds with .300wsm n Borden action,krieger barrel,McMillan stock,Berger bullets…2/13/21 which is/was the record

  • @USAACbrat
    @USAACbrat Рік тому +1

    where I shoot, we get a land, sea, change. Walk in set up The wind is behind me. In the course ; of a session

  • @dinoquintana4319
    @dinoquintana4319 Рік тому

    This podcast is getting better and better.the Information given out today should be a eye opener for alot of people.one of the biggest lessons today was get out and practice and be aware.its extremely unethical to buy a super long range rifle .take it out once or twice and think your qualified to shoot beyond250 yds.your not.ihave a imposed limit of 300 yds and I'm a much better hunter because of that.im going to go one step further. How much money do we spend on getting the lightest rifle possible. How easy,inexpensive ,and healthy is it to lose 10lbs.more weight than most rifles.god bless you Ron and Mr Cortina .thanks for the great info

  • @IHWKR
    @IHWKR Рік тому

    A lot of common sense packed into this video. I appreciate the way Erik thinks about hardware vs. software. I think its safe to say the difference between an amateur and a pro (at any level) is the understanding and staying within the boundaries and limits of our abilities. Go out and practice in various positions and conditions to be prepared for any scenario at any time. Reading the wind, nature, and surroundings seems like it's 99% of hunting. Good luck in SA buddy!

  • @MrJtin69
    @MrJtin69 Рік тому

    You should bring him back and ask about rifle break in and rifle cleaning if it effects accuracy

  • @pseudopetrus
    @pseudopetrus 10 місяців тому

    I like off hand shooting. I have tried to practice on a really windy day. Nope, it was beyond my ability to adapt.

  • @teddahrable
    @teddahrable Рік тому +1

    There was a time as a y0ung man on my Regimental Rifle Team when I shot 1000 yds. At that time, I also shot game at a maximum of 600yds. I'm now 60. I still shoot plenty to be ready for hunting, but I have dropped my maximum range to 400 yds. Most of my ranges are simply MPBR because it's easier. However, I have trajectory tables taped to the rifle stock with the number of clicks I need to come up to 400 yd zero.
    I like to find my hunting spots early, and I pick an appropriate rifle for it. That might be a .30-06, a .303Br, or even a .30-30. I then shoot 100 rds with that rifle at various positions out to the max range I'll be using in my spot.

  • @tonydevich7937
    @tonydevich7937 Рік тому

    Yes, that's fun actually

  • @richardlucas2155
    @richardlucas2155 Рік тому

    Great content Ron I’m a hunter not much into shooting long range thanks can’t eat paper haha

  • @thepracticalrifleman
    @thepracticalrifleman Рік тому +3

    Erik’s self imposed limit is 600 yards? Two years ago he was trying to get a 1,000 yard whitetail kill on video. He set up 1,000 yards from the feeder. What changed? 🤔

  • @7506999
    @7506999 7 місяців тому

    I think you two should do this once or twice a year.

  • @bchecker6307
    @bchecker6307 Рік тому +1

    I grew up with a wise man who said "never take a shot at game that your not 100% sure you can make"

  • @danieltustison822
    @danieltustison822 Рік тому

    Maybe you can come up with a max point blank distinct that adds the wind drift into it too. See if lighter faster bullet better or if heavier still wins out

  • @homes8362
    @homes8362 Рік тому

    Just got back from the range. My 308 Ruger American just poked out a clover leaf at 100.yds. with a 150 gr. SST
    Reload at 2780 fps. C.0.L. is 2.797, rem, large rifle primers, and 46 gr. IMR 4064.
    Wind was a quarter value out of my 10 o clock. All three rounds went inside of a nickel, and touching, for a single jagged little hole, it's been very rewarding to get the results that I have transversed over hill and Dale to get.
    Semper Fi.

  • @SH-lb1nu
    @SH-lb1nu Рік тому +1

    The basic dichotomy- are you a better shot or better hunter. More often then not you can get closer