Is there a problem that a millionaire musician instead of being greedy tries to share the royalties between his team and his coworkers?? The question is, why its normal for you that a lead singer and main composer has to be the only one visible? Still, is boring? Yes, but that is not my issue, I wont be listening to it
@@EstamosDeof course there is a problem with millionaire musician sharing success with others. So many people listen to the jazz to be above the unwashed masses, so many people choose pop band to listen by numbers of streams/place on charts/subscribers on the Instagram. Even underground artists constantly turn on elitism switch and became REPULSED by any artist who have more than three listeners. And you what this people to be ok with "special" person sharing his "specialnesness" with some plebs instead of gate keeping it? What are you? Some kind of a monster?
he has no knowledge of the actual BTS breakdown. the list of the amount of people isn't reflective of the amount of energy each person gave. the average song with 15 people could easily be they started writing something with a couple buddies a few years ago, they bring it out a few years later in a session with a few other people, the main producer has a guy who makes them guitar loops/beats solely for them to use (which I currently do for a couple producers) and then one more session where one of the dudes invites a friend. even if a studio intern is asked about a single lyric and they keep his suggestion in they are REQUIRED to give him a credit. Rick also ignores that in the 60's it was normal to just not give anyone credit for anything, so a lot of these "actual songwriters" that he idolizes like The eagles or artists from the wrecking crew sessions 100% had multiple writers on one song, but record companies just didn't acknowledge them because they thought it would look bad to have multiple names credited in the vinyl (Glenn Campbell was one of the only exceptions) My point is there are many ways that 15 people collectively could work on a song but not have it be a room with 15 people trying to "make a hit".
Hear hear! Also, what you said about Coldplay's ability to summon togetherness through their art is so true and the extent to which they're capable of doing that is extremely rare. They're not virtuoso musicians, never tried to be, nor was it ever their goal. But damn if they're not virtuosos of the heart. I don't listen to their music as much as I used to in the early 2000s, but still, every time I go to one of their shows I come out believing in humanity a little more. They keep getting better at spreading positivity with everything they do
From what I remember Chris Martin takes 40% and the rest get 20 (despite him writing almost everything). It came after advice from people like Michael Stipe, as it stops arguements and resentment.
Yeah, i believe they started following the classic REM/U2 model of everyone gets an even split but the rest of the band actually requested the change to the 40/20 split as Martin was doing all the writing work. They also follow the Cure template of it you are to the recording, you get a writing credit (even if it's a single hand clap). I'm not a big fan of the band (although they are excellent live) but I do respect the principals of sharing. Rick isn't wrong about the ridiculous amount of songwriters on modern lol though. Very generic.
Firstly, i believe you're correct about the sharing of writing credits by the band as in a recent report in the financial express said that while it's generally accepted that Chris Martin is the main songwriter of the group, the net worth is the same for the other 3 band members ($100m) and Chris's is only slightly higher ($160m).
« as long as they’re not too many people on your team” hahaha took me out 💀😂. Your understanding of why the industry has pivoted to giving points on publishing and songwriting is spot on. I, for one, so appreciate you sharing this POV as opposed to shunning the fact that the industry has evolved in the way songwriter splits work to support everyone involved in the process. Although I am the sole songwriter on my own compositions/songs- i support this shift in the industry. Especially if it means that more of us can have sustainable careers in music
its normal that musicians looking at musical or technical aspect in every music production . But honestly I believe the main point of listing those guys is came for gratitude - respect of contribution ( even the small ones) and maybe sharing the profit potential with friends . Just like sharing beers and foods
Heck yes Collections of Colonies of Bees (Sylvan Esso collaborators on the Califone cover), severely underrated/under the radar group and Milwaukee buds. We mixed their record Hawaii at my old studio there! Can tell a lot about a person by the bands they say they hate. Music is big enough for everyone, who cares what people like and how many cooks are in which kitchen? Team Meyer on this one, Beato can keep yelling at clouds.
I think he said he "can't hear" the other guys playing (BECAUSE the instrumentation was virtual). That doesn't imply they did not play, just states that it is not immediately apparent that that is the case
Agreed with you 100%….and regardless of the topic being focusing on commercial pop, by western, see usa standards….music as a ‘ popular ‘ commodity over the centuries & cultures has fluctuated regarding penmanship… if Rick came to south east asia, where 2 major pop revenues compete…local vs international ‘ flavor of the month ‘ couldn’t be more convoluted, when in reality, you have most likely 1 composer, but from my personal observations as a seasoned canadian producer ( whatever that means hahaha ) literally 35 or more people contributed towards the final writing of the composition. the best way we’ve found, be it a 3 piece grunge band all the way to a 65 pax smorgasbord contemporary fusion gamelan, is allocate 50% credits to the ‘ instigator ‘ ( see initial song writer / composer ) and the remaining 50% divided equally between everyone whom truly contributed. when i was a bass player / lyric writer in my bands, always preferred to just list the entire band as writers, for without all of us, for better or worse, the music wouldn’t have existed…. boy oh boy, now i am ranting too 🤣🤣🤣
I'm of fan of both Rick and Jon -> My comment is neither a defense of Rick nor a criticism of Jon. My criticism is also not: 1) The semantics of writing vs. arranging/producing a song, in terms of creative contribution. 2) The fine line between contributing a performance with a personal signature vs. contributing to the actual writing of a song. 3) The economic reasons of "why" modern artists are forced by industry factors to "collaborate" with other artists. I could go on with other gray areas but hopefully you get the point -> the pie isn't what it used to be, which caused major shifts in not only "how" music is made, but "if" music is made. My actual criticism stems from the impact of having too many cooks in the kitchen. If the voice of a song is actually 15 different voices, it waters down the conviction of a song to almost nothing. It's challenging enough for 2 people to collaborate and retain the personal conviction of the original inspiration (i.e. what makes a song "heartfelt"). The more people added to the process, the more formulaic it becomes... sucking out every thread of genuine emotion. When the joy or pain being expressed is phony, it rarely leaves a sticky impression. The result is another pointless song that will be forgotten shortly after release... and this will almost certainly be the case for this boring and cringy new song from Coldplay. Yellow it is not.
WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW … you have penned an incredible response to Jon’s “rant” … thank you for saying what I was unable to say … you just wrote a beautiful piece of art … I will call it a song!!!!!!!!!!
@@Capt-Cran Thanks for the kind words! My motivation for making this post was an event that happened almost 25 years ago. Even back then, the writing was on the wall for the coming shift in an artist's autonomy. It certainly wasn't full freedom back then but I believe it became increasingly more restrictive as the industry became less profitable. My wife was recording a new demo for a showcase and label meeting with Curb Records. I wrote a majority of her music and was the primary performer on the demo that caught Curb's attention. However, this time we brought in seasoned session musicians (LeAnn Rimes touring band). Their performances were excellent, and in many instances, so were the personal touches they added to the songs. Something was missing though. At first I thought it was just jealousy/pouting on my part for giving up control of my baby (my songs), but I noticed it on the songs she wrote too. What I realized -> They didn't have the personal connection to the songs to identify subtle musical accents that contributed to naturally bringing out the raw emotion heard in the original demos. Throw in an engineer we hadn't worked with before and the results were songs that didn't capture the original conviction. I can only imagine the deterioration of those "subtle accents" on Pray as an endless stream of contributors entered the picture with Coldplay.
@@matthewmcclure3181 Great to hear from you … and I get it … oh do I get it … as I’ve grown (or aged) … I have valued the love I have for the music, the song, the creating even more … and I determined no matter the material or commercial success … the song was and is my love … and if I create at it … I will share it the way it was inspired (good, bad, and/or ugly) … I am at peace with the love of music and that it is art … and if financial success finds one … then great … if not … the art is real and the purpose was expressing it and attempting to share with others … like you … I have had the opportunity on a number of projects … but I decided to not compromise the reason the song was created … and I worked on a project time (without a major label involvement that had a huge success and number of sales … and I worked for it) … though radio is still controlled … there are various ways to channel the art … if the art is good enough … it will reach and touch people … again LOVE what you wrote, and your sincerity was palpable … wishing you well in your music journey!!
Let me start by saying that unlike some of the previous posters, I actually love this Coldplay tune. However, I appreciate where Rick is coming from. It is not uncommon nowadays to see 7-10 songwriters on a track. Most of these tracks are 3 minutes in length or less, have relatively little lyrical content and often have predictable chord progressions with 3 chords or less. I think this phenomenon is what Rick was referring to as "boring". With too many cooks in the kitchen, the dish suffers. Rick used the example of the most complicated song he has ever seen which is "Never Gonna Let You Go", written by the duo Mann and Weil. How is it that songs from the 60s/70s/80s era were so cleverly written with rich lyrical content, complex harmonies and iconic melodies and they were usually written by 1 or 2 people? Is the current generation simply lazy? Are record companies pressuring artists to use a team of external songwriters to ensure "hits" are generated? Would love to hear someone chime in. Billy Joel, who has sold well over 100M records, wrote his entire catalog by himself (with the exception of 1 cowrite with Cyndi Lauper). We need some modern day versions of him. Back to this tune.... I've seen Chris Martin talk about this song as one of inclusion, to the extent that he sought out singers from different parts of the world. I suppose he wanted the theme of inclusion to spill over into the songwriting.
If they want to technically credit 15 people, I'm cool with that. I can see getting up in those numbers if you have rappers doing mad libs. It's a stretch for me to call an ad lib "writing" but technically i sppose that's what it is. Cold Play to me have always been derivative, but they never shy away from admitting it. The first time I heard one of them open their mouth, they said "Hey, we got this idea from Kate Bush, and we'd like to thank her for writing a really great song that inspired it." I had to respect that shout out. 15 writers for an average song? 15 people to blame its failure on. Oh, and how could I forget Triumph the Insult Comic Dog saying "Cold Play? I liked them better when they were called U2."
I can play guitar and bass and I program Synths. I am the master of sequencing. I can do all that a hundred of times faster to worry about attracting an audience with a nano drip of emotional content. I am in effect making disposable music. Why do more?? It is what I get paid for. That is the underline of all Rick Beatos rant. Why is it that without any marketing there are more downloads are on an ancient Queen LP than on 99% of any new Pop star??? I got this from Rick and he showed us the proven stats. As for all the song writers, they are not songwriting. It is the accountants and marketing guys slicing up the pie. These 'artist' may not know until the tunes are released that they wrote anything.
Rick Beato is a the definition of a person and their UA-cam channel being 2 different entities. like Rick Beato the person is a really smart dude and has a wealth of musical knowledge. Rick Beato the UA-cam channel is mostly ramblings/unfiltered opinions that aren't thought through in any meaningful way and mostly break down into "old man shakes fist at sky" vibes. Also, I understand that Rick used to run a label a few decades ago and had some industry experiences, but I do tire of him acting like he understands how modern writing rooms work/operate when he hasn't been in one for decades.
No he was in general right. He was wrong about one specific song. However it's not old man shakes fist at cloud to point out that almost all pop songs are 1 4 5 6 progressions (if that). It's not old man shakes fist at cloud to point out there is almost never a difference musically between the verse and chorus and there most certainly isn't a bridge. It's not old man shakes fist at cloud when he highlights great creative new artists that are better than this industry pap. Most of the stuff he says is dreadful is absolutely horrible. The reason there are so many songwriters credited on tunes is because of business (politics) not art. It's also likely that the most significant creative input in most of these songs comes from people who aren't credited.
@@corybarnes2341 it is 100% old man shakes fist at the air when he pretends like things haven't always been that way. Fantano's responses to Rick's video have pretty measured responses in terms of how everything rick complains about has been around and not remembering how many cookie cutter bands/terrible Christmas albums existed in the 60s. most of the big names that we remember from that era were the notable ones, not the average.
@@lovewillspill4460 id' rather have paper and pens available for everyone so that a kid who wants to make a book can just do it instead of having writing be an artform held back by access to resources
Coldplay, Jon Meyer, and Rick Beato fan here. I like you all, LOL. Some excellent points here. I do feel like Coldplay has drifted pretty heavily from the band I once knew, though I have enjoyed some of their new material. Apparently they are capping their releases at 12 albums, and I honestly feel like this is a good thing. They have already contributed so much to the industry, they don't really need to do anything else. I do enjoy collabs, but it feels like it has become their goto, and while I respect their inclusivity, they are too good of a band and too adept at songwriting to warrant many of them which have been, in my opinion, average at best (though maybe this one will resonant more in a live show). It's become so diluted that it's not really Coldplay any more, but maybe that's the point? Just my take on it, you both have excellent points, and I respect and admire both you and Rick, and of course Coldplay. Cheers!
universe doesn't care at all at our petty things.....only us humans tries to make sense and no-sense in things.....and we are drowned in this world which we think is a monumental thing....thing...
Pretty sure Rick Beato just does this for click bait and for other UA-camrs to aplity his channel and views. It doesn't matter what reason people are watching your content for, as long as they're watching = money. On Coldplay, they peaked with Viva La Vida, and their last decent album was Ghost Stories. They sold out big time. However, the song writing credits speaks to their character as a band, and notably in the UK they are giving away 10% of their tour profits to the Music Venue Trust which supports grass root venues. So they have my respect.
Obviously, it is more about financial recognition of contributors to the song. There are plenty of songs in history that had, for instance, horn sections that were written and created by the players themselves in the session; however, they just received scale payments for their performance and never received a writing credit or participated in the payments over time. A chord progression does not a song make.
Simple solution. All they have to do is explain why 15 people are credited for the song. Then Rick won't be able to say he has no idea what they all did, and neither will the rest of us.
I couldn't agree more. I skipped the video and quite honestly decided to unsubscribe from his channel. And that's a shame, as I have followed his channel for many, many years. But this isn't the first time Rick is comparing to his own process or way of working, while there are many ways to get to a goal. If everyone was to follow the same exact process, wouldn't that lead to really boring music? I also experienced a tendency towards pushing his own musical taste. That's something I've done when I was younger. Now ... I do at least try to listen to music that is not directly the genre I tend to listen to. I would expect that - as one grows older - your spectrum get broader, not more narrow. Finally, I think this particular song raises well above a lot of other music I heard recently, and I so like the song. I also do like the fact that it is a 'connecting' song, which is what the world needs. Polarisation is way too present. So I appreciate the fact that different singers coming from a different background and performing in different genres, are gathered. It's a shame!
I think Rick went about saying it in a slightly condescending, snobby way - but I can agree with the essence of what he's saying. I like Coldplay. I like the band. I like the people that make up the band. I like the music they made when they were 4 regular guys from England that got together and said "hey I came up with this melody" or "hey I came up with this guitar/piano part" and then all contributed to making a track. When you have 15 people writing a Coldplay song, 11 of which are not in the band - I do not feel like I'm hearing the band. I do not feel connected to the band through the music. If you have "too many cooks in the kitchen", you are not experiencing a finely crafted meal unique to the chef - it doesn't always lead to a bad song, but I believe it leads to something less unique, and likely, something watered down to appease a wide variety of tastes.
I see that like a mafia move. You know, someone calls you and offers a slot for writer credits if you apply a little compressor somewhere, it doesn't matter. You make a lot of money with no effort. But the deal is that next time you have to include your friend in another project so he add some synth note at the end of the track and then make a lot of money with no effort. All this cycle for a horrible, uninspired and unoriginal track played by a computer to be release on the billionaire platforms they work for.
the song sounds like someone else tried to write a song with a flavour of Coldplay. Literally the only thing that makes it even sound like Coldplay is Chris's vocal. It sounds like a 'generic' , 'manufactured' pop song that just happens to have a Chris Martin vocal melody and even more luckily, happens to have Chris singing it. I think the wider issue Rick is alluding to is the blurring and almost annihilation of the line between 'song writing' and 'arrangement/performance'. It seems like the modern 'song writing' is that if someone just suggests the most mundane 'performance' idea like "how about adding claps in the chorus", that's now suddenly a 3 point writing credit. Everything these days appears to be the industries desire to squeeze as much money from artists as possible (as alluded by Rick directly by labels forcing artists to give up 50% writing just to get a song published, you can spin that anyway you want, but that's theft and deceit ) If someone actually contributes lyrics, melody, chord sequences to a song, thats a writing credit. Anything else is performance arrangement which is the 'flavour' and seasoning ON TOP of the song writing, not the actual song writing itself, which is the words, core chords sequences and melodies.
I disagree that he "went after Coldplay". Rick is obviously a Coldplay fan. He has entire videos gushing over Coldplay songs like Amsterdam and The Scientist. He's merely expressing his bewilderment at how it took 15 people to make the this, especially by Coldplay standards, boring and forgettable song. If someone told me this song was made by AI with an AI Chris Martin (because the rest of the band seems to be missing), I'd believe them.
if the song was a hit, who cares how many wrote it, unless it was a scheme to help more people to make more money? On the flip however; songs are not bible translations, nobody writes my songs but me, but I might let others edit my songs if i get stuck on some things right?
Wow, the depth of the internet. Nobody has anything else to say so one goes after a band and another youtuber feels like they’re adding to the world by “attacking” another youtuber’s view. I think it’s time to hit the reset button and who does music just does that. Stop complaining, the world of full of hatred already. We don’t need repressed youtubers too
Jon … love your channel … and your talents … sorry to disappoint but Coldplay is not on my “playlist” … BUT … I agree with Rick in the general sense … (I believe a heart-felt piece of art (a song) is created from within from passion or a life experience … not in a room in Nashville when 4 people come together like on a time-clock and try to find a way to design a hook and/or lyrics for commercial purposes only) (that’s not how it happened for Merle Haggard you think?)… did Picasso paint by himself, have eight appendages, or a group of aiding hands of 15 humans? … No disrespect, but I have to respectfully disagree with you as to what his happening to music … it’s becoming a commercial venture with shallow shallow substance … I see music trending like so many things in our world today … I’ll bet Jimmy Jimmy Web didn’t need a host or club of folks to write legendary tunes … yes, things change … and ways in which people create and produce art is different and always changing … as it should be … but in a general sense … I believe a song comes from within (James Taylor interview) and is gifted to the writer to create … do I think people can collaborate on art … of course … but a song , for me, seems to have to come from a single well in the ordinary course (not always) … but not a water system … curious … did you possibly see the 60 minutes interview with Cold Play’s Chris Martin (please look it up on UA-cam … and listen around time line at 3:35 about writing a song … he confesses he doesn’t even “know” what the song was about …When I heard that years ago … I couldn’t believe he said it … I rest my case … and that’s “MY RANT” …
Yeah Rick likes to overstate and oversimplify about things that he doesn't like. composition and performance are 2 separate things and he full well knows it, but that would detract from his rant. Overall I understand and somewhat agree with the general idea but in a very general sense, but this particular instance was a poor choice to build an argument. I honestly have not even heard the song but I don't need to know that he's wrong and, based on his choice of the drums and synth argument, reaching. If I write a melody on a saxophone instead of my primary instrument of guitar, is that not still writing?
This isn’t a new thing. Carlos Santana did the same (back in the 90’s?). In my opinion, as a fan of the old Santana, it was terrible, even if it did bring his music to a new generation. I find the song Rick is referring to as boring. But then I am not a Cold Play fan, or a fan of the style of music applied in the song. I get what Rick is saying. If this were a general thing, where it takes fifteen people to write a song, then one has to ask “where has the talent gone? Has Cold Play run out of ideas? Is this just a way to increase revenue?” I love Supertramp, similar musically, but they were brimming with talent and ideas. Imagine if other people had written all the Beatles songs. They would just be a “boy band”. I am sure that Cold Play has lost and gained fans with their change of direction. I would only play their music to irritate my friends 😂
Because the music industry is so much smaller than it use to be, everyone wants a songwriting credit for the payout it brings. He mentions this in the video, and gives some history of how the different labels would each have one writer represented in a writing session, well as the revenue dried up from physical media, everyone now wants a piece of the writing credits. Talented songwriters exist but they have to split the pie.... In the case of Coldplay, it is ridiculous to have that many writers on the song, but over half the album has Max Martin's name as top billing. Coldplay is an old band these days, I suspect they have things they would rather do, like hang out on a beach than lock themselves away trying to write hit song or perhaps they just wanted outside talent to keep things fresh. It doesn't matter, as a songwriter Chris Martin has nothing left to prove. If Max Martin's name is on the credits you can be sure he's the primary master mind behind the melody and arrangement... For me, I prefer to listen to music where the people performing the music also credited it, at the peak of their creativity and during their low periods, there's something genuine about that and it's lost when a band seeks outside talent.... But I get it, Coldplay is a giant stage production selling out stadiums in some cases... You have thousands of people on payroll to take care of and 90% of the audience isn't like me, they really don't care who writes the music, they just want that experience of seeing Coldplay. It's the same with bands using backing tracks even for lead vocals, who really gives a shit anymore. It's all a theatrical production. I think if you go see a show at the scale they put on, you have to expect that these days. That's also why I don't go to these kind of shows. If you're looking for art in music, you're going to find it in much smaller venues, usually with performers without major labels behind them.
Yeah, this is an interesting one. I mean, if they were trying to do something different and include a bunch of people from all over the world I guess it makes sense. But then it's like is it really a Coldplay record? Why not do an entire album with that concept? 15 writers on a song is insane. 2 or 3 people on a session seems about right.
Coldplay sucks. And 15 writers for a song? Are you even a freaking musician? Collabs are understandable to a degree. Is it a collab or are you out of ideas so you're piggybacking off of lesser-known artists to keep it cheap? I'm with Rick. Your outrage is fake.
Great video Jon. It's silly for Rick Beato to just make ignorant assumptions here. Coldplay is being criticized when it's a lot more likely that they're actually doing something very good and spending the wealth to fellow artists who performed and contributed to the song. If Coldplay didn't credit those artists, I could see a Rick Beato video about how "Chris Martin took sole songwriting credit - what about the other 14 other people who wrote the song!!" Gotta get those UA-cam clicks after all.
I don't like Coldplay, I watch Rick now and then, but he makes some pretty stupid arguments sometimes. It's well known that there were teams of songwriters for a lot of "groups" even before the 60s, Rick probably knows that, but hey who cares he wants views and he gets them. And here I am for instance, not sure why, probably the clickbait that everyone is doing these days "for the mighty algorithm". Now please include me in your next songwriting credits everyone mmkay
Obviously, the 60s were 60 years ago now. There was interesting music every decade since, it's just made differently. And since modern things like sampling are out of his mindset, sampling a record with a sample in it can add two bands worth of writers to the new track.
A football team has 11 players on the field and each player is critical. A song needs 15 “composers”? What - each one contributed three notes? If you love that song, just think how much better it could have been if written by 30 or 300 composers!
As you add more and more individuals into the process, without someone who is ultimately in charge (and even IF someone is ultimately in charge) you stand the chance of watering things down too much and lose the individuality (the individual succinct emotional statement that can really grab someone) that makes any song unique. Hearing the song that Rick referred to in his video, it sounded more like someone else trying to sound like Coldplay than actually being Coldplay. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
To be fair, I think Rick is generalising here about "song-writng by committee" but used Coldplay as the example. However, it mght be the case that in this particular example, he chose the wrong example.
I hate Coldplay. Always have. And if you can't hear a difference between a drum part played by a real drummer and one done by a computer, it's your hearing that's in question. Programmed drums always sound mechanical and lifeless. If that's the aesthetic you're aiming for, fine. But to say that there's no difference??? Come on.
Rick is a curmudgeon. All he does is Boomer rant against literally anything new. I stopped watching him after he said in a video that music now is boring. Like sure if you only look at the charts but what REAL music fan does that? Like he needs to get a grip. A ton of the early Beatles and Stones or Zep songs were literal rip offs of old black blues songs. Do I hear Rick complaining that Robert Plant is making boring fake music? No. Cuz again, sadly we lose more and more people every year to Old Man Screaming Into The Void syndrome.
I love their first two albums...As much as his rant is a diatribe, I agree with him. I agree with you as well...there is no one correct answer and everyone is Constitutionally allowed to have and state their opinions. He's not defaming anyone... I would have expected a much more exciting song with 15 "writers"/contributors involved. It's not, but that is just an opinion.
There's a lot to like about Rick (in my opinion anyway), but I usually skip over these "button pushing" videos. Not sure if he is actually this firmly entrenched in rockism, or if he is just doing a bit of engagement baiting, but I usually find his arguments don't give a fair view of the entire situation and end up to simplistic. That said, I would not mind more rant videos from you. You have a wealth of knowledge and a thought that may seem trivial or obvious to you may actually be pretty insightful to us, less enlightened folk!
Rick also always whines about how 4 chord songs are terrible because they only have 4 chords. And then will precede to gush about U2 being "one of the greatest bands in the world." He blocked me when I said something about that on IG. What a child.
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I think the point is that it took 15 people to create an average track.
Average and uninventive (ie "boring"), yes
Is there a problem that a millionaire musician instead of being greedy tries to share the royalties between his team and his coworkers??
The question is, why its normal for you that a lead singer and main composer has to be the only one visible?
Still, is boring? Yes, but that is not my issue, I wont be listening to it
@@EstamosDeof course there is a problem with millionaire musician sharing success with others. So many people listen to the jazz to be above the unwashed masses, so many people choose pop band to listen by numbers of streams/place on charts/subscribers on the Instagram.
Even underground artists constantly turn on elitism switch and became REPULSED by any artist who have more than three listeners.
And you what this people to be ok with "special" person sharing his "specialnesness" with some plebs instead of gate keeping it? What are you? Some kind of a monster?
It's a bad song, let's call the spade a spade
he has no knowledge of the actual BTS breakdown. the list of the amount of people isn't reflective of the amount of energy each person gave.
the average song with 15 people could easily be they started writing something with a couple buddies a few years ago, they bring it out a few years later in a session with a few other people, the main producer has a guy who makes them guitar loops/beats solely for them to use (which I currently do for a couple producers) and then one more session where one of the dudes invites a friend. even if a studio intern is asked about a single lyric and they keep his suggestion in they are REQUIRED to give him a credit. Rick also ignores that in the 60's it was normal to just not give anyone credit for anything, so a lot of these "actual songwriters" that he idolizes like The eagles or artists from the wrecking crew sessions 100% had multiple writers on one song, but record companies just didn't acknowledge them because they thought it would look bad to have multiple names credited in the vinyl (Glenn Campbell was one of the only exceptions)
My point is there are many ways that 15 people collectively could work on a song but not have it be a room with 15 people trying to "make a hit".
Hear hear!
Also, what you said about Coldplay's ability to summon togetherness through their art is so true and the extent to which they're capable of doing that is extremely rare.
They're not virtuoso musicians, never tried to be, nor was it ever their goal. But damn if they're not virtuosos of the heart.
I don't listen to their music as much as I used to in the early 2000s, but still, every time I go to one of their shows I come out believing in humanity a little more.
They keep getting better at spreading positivity with everything they do
I don't really love Coldplay, but neither do I love Rick
I love Rick Beato … watch 60 Minutes interview with Chris Martin … and see the substance of the inspiration for his writing …
From what I remember Chris Martin takes 40% and the rest get 20 (despite him writing almost everything). It came after advice from people like Michael Stipe, as it stops arguements and resentment.
Yeah, i believe they started following the classic REM/U2 model of everyone gets an even split but the rest of the band actually requested the change to the 40/20 split as Martin was doing all the writing work. They also follow the Cure template of it you are to the recording, you get a writing credit (even if it's a single hand clap). I'm not a big fan of the band (although they are excellent live) but I do respect the principals of sharing. Rick isn't wrong about the ridiculous amount of songwriters on modern lol though. Very generic.
Hey, I like Rick beato. I’ll continue to learn from him going forward!
@@JA-ut8fi same.
Firstly, i believe you're correct about the sharing of writing credits by the band as in a recent report in the financial express said that while it's generally accepted that Chris Martin is the main songwriter of the group, the net worth is the same for the other 3 band members ($100m) and Chris's is only slightly higher ($160m).
« as long as they’re not too many people on your team” hahaha took me out 💀😂. Your understanding of why the industry has pivoted to giving points on publishing and songwriting is spot on. I, for one, so appreciate you sharing this POV as opposed to shunning the fact that the industry has evolved in the way songwriter splits work to support everyone involved in the process.
Although I am the sole songwriter on my own compositions/songs- i support this shift in the industry. Especially if it means that more of us can have sustainable careers in music
its normal that musicians looking at musical or technical aspect in every music production .
But honestly I believe the main point of listing those guys is came for gratitude - respect of contribution ( even the small ones) and maybe sharing the profit potential with friends . Just like sharing beers and foods
Nice one. I love a good rant
Heck yes Collections of Colonies of Bees (Sylvan Esso collaborators on the Califone cover), severely underrated/under the radar group and Milwaukee buds. We mixed their record Hawaii at my old studio there! Can tell a lot about a person by the bands they say they hate. Music is big enough for everyone, who cares what people like and how many cooks are in which kitchen? Team Meyer on this one, Beato can keep yelling at clouds.
I think he said he "can't hear" the other guys playing (BECAUSE the instrumentation was virtual). That doesn't imply they did not play, just states that it is not immediately apparent that that is the case
Agreed with you 100%….and regardless of the topic being focusing on commercial pop, by western, see usa standards….music as a ‘ popular ‘ commodity over the centuries & cultures has fluctuated regarding penmanship… if Rick came to south east asia, where 2 major pop revenues compete…local vs international ‘ flavor of the month ‘ couldn’t be more convoluted, when in reality, you have most likely 1 composer, but from my personal observations as a seasoned canadian producer ( whatever that means hahaha ) literally 35 or more people contributed towards the final writing of the composition.
the best way we’ve found, be it a 3 piece grunge band all the way to a 65 pax smorgasbord contemporary fusion gamelan, is allocate 50% credits to the ‘ instigator ‘ ( see initial song writer / composer ) and the remaining 50% divided equally between everyone whom truly contributed.
when i was a bass player / lyric writer in my bands, always preferred to just list the entire band as writers, for without all of us, for better or worse, the music wouldn’t have existed….
boy oh boy, now i am ranting too 🤣🤣🤣
I'm of fan of both Rick and Jon -> My comment is neither a defense of Rick nor a criticism of Jon. My criticism is also not:
1) The semantics of writing vs. arranging/producing a song, in terms of creative contribution.
2) The fine line between contributing a performance with a personal signature vs. contributing to the actual writing of a song.
3) The economic reasons of "why" modern artists are forced by industry factors to "collaborate" with other artists.
I could go on with other gray areas but hopefully you get the point -> the pie isn't what it used to be, which caused major shifts in not only "how" music is made, but "if" music is made.
My actual criticism stems from the impact of having too many cooks in the kitchen. If the voice of a song is actually 15 different voices, it waters down the conviction of a song to almost nothing. It's challenging enough for 2 people to collaborate and retain the personal conviction of the original inspiration (i.e. what makes a song "heartfelt"). The more people added to the process, the more formulaic it becomes... sucking out every thread of genuine emotion. When the joy or pain being expressed is phony, it rarely leaves a sticky impression. The result is another pointless song that will be forgotten shortly after release... and this will almost certainly be the case for this boring and cringy new song from Coldplay. Yellow it is not.
WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW … you have penned an incredible response to Jon’s “rant” … thank you for saying what I was unable to say … you just wrote a beautiful piece of art … I will call it a song!!!!!!!!!!
@@Capt-Cran Thanks for the kind words! My motivation for making this post was an event that happened almost 25 years ago. Even back then, the writing was on the wall for the coming shift in an artist's autonomy. It certainly wasn't full freedom back then but I believe it became increasingly more restrictive as the industry became less profitable.
My wife was recording a new demo for a showcase and label meeting with Curb Records. I wrote a majority of her music and was the primary performer on the demo that caught Curb's attention. However, this time we brought in seasoned session musicians (LeAnn Rimes touring band). Their performances were excellent, and in many instances, so were the personal touches they added to the songs.
Something was missing though. At first I thought it was just jealousy/pouting on my part for giving up control of my baby (my songs), but I noticed it on the songs she wrote too. What I realized -> They didn't have the personal connection to the songs to identify subtle musical accents that contributed to naturally bringing out the raw emotion heard in the original demos. Throw in an engineer we hadn't worked with before and the results were songs that didn't capture the original conviction. I can only imagine the deterioration of those "subtle accents" on Pray as an endless stream of contributors entered the picture with Coldplay.
@@matthewmcclure3181 Great to hear from you … and I get it … oh do I get it … as I’ve grown (or aged) … I have valued the love I have for the music, the song, the creating even more … and I determined no matter the material or commercial success … the song was and is my love … and if I create at it … I will share it the way it was inspired (good, bad, and/or ugly) … I am at peace with the love of music and that it is art … and if financial success finds one … then great … if not … the art is real and the purpose was expressing it and attempting to share with others … like you … I have had the opportunity on a number of projects … but I decided to not compromise the reason the song was created … and I worked on a project time (without a major label involvement that had a huge success and number of sales … and I worked for it) … though radio is still controlled … there are various ways to channel the art … if the art is good enough … it will reach and touch people … again LOVE what you wrote, and your sincerity was palpable … wishing you well in your music journey!!
One irrelevant question: what’s the synthesizer you mimed playing a bass line on? It didn’t look quite right for a Synthacon, but I couldn’t place it.
Let me start by saying that unlike some of the previous posters, I actually love this Coldplay tune. However, I appreciate where Rick is coming from. It is not uncommon nowadays to see 7-10 songwriters on a track. Most of these tracks are 3 minutes in length or less, have relatively little lyrical content and often have predictable chord progressions with 3 chords or less. I think this phenomenon is what Rick was referring to as "boring". With too many cooks in the kitchen, the dish suffers. Rick used the example of the most complicated song he has ever seen which is "Never Gonna Let You Go", written by the duo Mann and Weil. How is it that songs from the 60s/70s/80s era were so cleverly written with rich lyrical content, complex harmonies and iconic melodies and they were usually written by 1 or 2 people? Is the current generation simply lazy? Are record companies pressuring artists to use a team of external songwriters to ensure "hits" are generated? Would love to hear someone chime in.
Billy Joel, who has sold well over 100M records, wrote his entire catalog by himself (with the exception of 1 cowrite with Cyndi Lauper). We need some modern day versions of him.
Back to this tune.... I've seen Chris Martin talk about this song as one of inclusion, to the extent that he sought out singers from different parts of the world. I suppose he wanted the theme of inclusion to spill over into the songwriting.
If they want to technically credit 15 people, I'm cool with that. I can see getting up in those numbers if you have rappers doing mad libs. It's a stretch for me to call an ad lib "writing" but technically i sppose that's what it is. Cold Play to me have always been derivative, but they never shy away from admitting it. The first time I heard one of them open their mouth, they said "Hey, we got this idea from Kate Bush, and we'd like to thank her for writing a really great song that inspired it." I had to respect that shout out. 15 writers for an average song? 15 people to blame its failure on. Oh, and how could I forget Triumph the Insult Comic Dog saying "Cold Play? I liked them better when they were called U2."
I can play guitar and bass and I program Synths. I am the master of sequencing. I can do all that a hundred of times faster to worry about attracting an audience with a nano drip of emotional content. I am in effect making disposable music. Why do more?? It is what I get paid for. That is the underline of all Rick Beatos rant. Why is it that without any marketing there are more downloads are on an ancient Queen LP than on 99% of any new Pop star??? I got this from Rick and he showed us the proven stats. As for all the song writers, they are not songwriting. It is the accountants and marketing guys slicing up the pie. These 'artist' may not know until the tunes are released that they wrote anything.
The Phil Donahue of UA-cam music.
Rick Beato is a the definition of a person and their UA-cam channel being 2 different entities. like Rick Beato the person is a really smart dude and has a wealth of musical knowledge. Rick Beato the UA-cam channel is mostly ramblings/unfiltered opinions that aren't thought through in any meaningful way and mostly break down into "old man shakes fist at sky" vibes.
Also, I understand that Rick used to run a label a few decades ago and had some industry experiences, but I do tire of him acting like he understands how modern writing rooms work/operate when he hasn't been in one for decades.
Because he knows that his 'rant' videos get huge reach and engagement. So he alternates between click bait and educational content. It seems to work.
No he was in general right. He was wrong about one specific song. However it's not old man shakes fist at cloud to point out that almost all pop songs are 1 4 5 6 progressions (if that). It's not old man shakes fist at cloud to point out there is almost never a difference musically between the verse and chorus and there most certainly isn't a bridge. It's not old man shakes fist at cloud when he highlights great creative new artists that are better than this industry pap. Most of the stuff he says is dreadful is absolutely horrible. The reason there are so many songwriters credited on tunes is because of business (politics) not art. It's also likely that the most significant creative input in most of these songs comes from people who aren't credited.
@@corybarnes2341 it is 100% old man shakes fist at the air when he pretends like things haven't always been that way. Fantano's responses to Rick's video have pretty measured responses in terms of how everything rick complains about has been around and not remembering how many cookie cutter bands/terrible Christmas albums existed in the 60s. most of the big names that we remember from that era were the notable ones, not the average.
The democratization of music/music production has created multitudes more crap today than in yesteryear (it’s not even close)
@@lovewillspill4460 id' rather have paper and pens available for everyone so that a kid who wants to make a book can just do it instead of having writing be an artform held back by access to resources
Coldplay, Jon Meyer, and Rick Beato fan here. I like you all, LOL. Some excellent points here. I do feel like Coldplay has drifted pretty heavily from the band I once knew, though I have enjoyed some of their new material. Apparently they are capping their releases at 12 albums, and I honestly feel like this is a good thing. They have already contributed so much to the industry, they don't really need to do anything else. I do enjoy collabs, but it feels like it has become their goto, and while I respect their inclusivity, they are too good of a band and too adept at songwriting to warrant many of them which have been, in my opinion, average at best (though maybe this one will resonant more in a live show). It's become so diluted that it's not really Coldplay any more, but maybe that's the point? Just my take on it, you both have excellent points, and I respect and admire both you and Rick, and of course Coldplay. Cheers!
universe doesn't care at all at our petty things.....only us humans tries to make sense and no-sense in things.....and we are drowned in this world which we think is a monumental thing....thing...
Smart❤.
I’d be fine if I never heard another Coldplay song ever again.
Coldplay are awful now, so, no, not everybody loves Coldplay.
So many of us
Pretty sure Rick Beato just does this for click bait and for other UA-camrs to aplity his channel and views. It doesn't matter what reason people are watching your content for, as long as they're watching = money.
On Coldplay, they peaked with Viva La Vida, and their last decent album was Ghost Stories. They sold out big time. However, the song writing credits speaks to their character as a band, and notably in the UK they are giving away 10% of their tour profits to the Music Venue Trust which supports grass root venues. So they have my respect.
Obviously, it is more about financial recognition of contributors to the song. There are plenty of songs in history that had, for instance, horn sections that were written and created by the players themselves in the session; however, they just received scale payments for their performance and never received a writing credit or participated in the payments over time. A chord progression does not a song make.
Very few are truly above realistic criticism.
Ha Rick... You naughty boy ;)
Kudos to Coldplay for illustrating that a track written by 15 people results in a piece of crap.
I don’t love Coldplay. You don’t even need an entire hand to count the number of Coldplay songs that I like. It’s probably one, maybe two.
Simple solution. All they have to do is explain why 15 people are credited for the song. Then Rick won't be able to say he has no idea what they all did, and neither will the rest of us.
I couldn't agree more. I skipped the video and quite honestly decided to unsubscribe from his channel. And that's a shame, as I have followed his channel for many, many years. But this isn't the first time Rick is comparing to his own process or way of working, while there are many ways to get to a goal. If everyone was to follow the same exact process, wouldn't that lead to really boring music?
I also experienced a tendency towards pushing his own musical taste. That's something I've done when I was younger. Now ... I do at least try to listen to music that is not directly the genre I tend to listen to. I would expect that - as one grows older - your spectrum get broader, not more narrow.
Finally, I think this particular song raises well above a lot of other music I heard recently, and I so like the song. I also do like the fact that it is a 'connecting' song, which is what the world needs. Polarisation is way too present. So I appreciate the fact that different singers coming from a different background and performing in different genres, are gathered.
It's a shame!
I think Rick went about saying it in a slightly condescending, snobby way - but I can agree with the essence of what he's saying. I like Coldplay. I like the band. I like the people that make up the band. I like the music they made when they were 4 regular guys from England that got together and said "hey I came up with this melody" or "hey I came up with this guitar/piano part" and then all contributed to making a track. When you have 15 people writing a Coldplay song, 11 of which are not in the band - I do not feel like I'm hearing the band. I do not feel connected to the band through the music. If you have "too many cooks in the kitchen", you are not experiencing a finely crafted meal unique to the chef - it doesn't always lead to a bad song, but I believe it leads to something less unique, and likely, something watered down to appease a wide variety of tastes.
I love Coldplay? Really? Thanks for telling me.
Great take.
I see that like a mafia move. You know, someone calls you and offers a slot for writer credits if you apply a little compressor somewhere, it doesn't matter. You make a lot of money with no effort. But the deal is that next time you have to include your friend in another project so he add some synth note at the end of the track and then make a lot of money with no effort. All this cycle for a horrible, uninspired and unoriginal track played by a computer to be release on the billionaire platforms they work for.
Oh no Jon ... you've been sucked into the UA-cam click bait hoover 🤣
the song sounds like someone else tried to write a song with a flavour of Coldplay. Literally the only thing that makes it even sound like Coldplay is Chris's vocal. It sounds like a 'generic' , 'manufactured' pop song that just happens to have a Chris Martin vocal melody and even more luckily, happens to have Chris singing it.
I think the wider issue Rick is alluding to is the blurring and almost annihilation of the line between 'song writing' and 'arrangement/performance'. It seems like the modern 'song writing' is that if someone just suggests the most mundane 'performance' idea like "how about adding claps in the chorus", that's now suddenly a 3 point writing credit.
Everything these days appears to be the industries desire to squeeze as much money from artists as possible (as alluded by Rick directly by labels forcing artists to give up 50% writing just to get a song published, you can spin that anyway you want, but that's theft and deceit )
If someone actually contributes lyrics, melody, chord sequences to a song, thats a writing credit. Anything else is performance arrangement which is the 'flavour' and seasoning ON TOP of the song writing, not the actual song writing itself, which is the words, core chords sequences and melodies.
I disagree that he "went after Coldplay". Rick is obviously a Coldplay fan. He has entire videos gushing over Coldplay songs like Amsterdam and The Scientist. He's merely expressing his bewilderment at how it took 15 people to make the this, especially by Coldplay standards, boring and forgettable song. If someone told me this song was made by AI with an AI Chris Martin (because the rest of the band seems to be missing), I'd believe them.
Love Coldplay and love Rick.
And I love that guitalele. Subscribed!
if the song was a hit, who cares how many wrote it, unless it was a scheme to help more people to make more money?
On the flip however; songs are not bible translations, nobody writes my songs but me, but I might let others edit my songs if i get stuck on some things right?
Wow, the depth of the internet. Nobody has anything else to say so one goes after a band and another youtuber feels like they’re adding to the world by “attacking” another youtuber’s view.
I think it’s time to hit the reset button and who does music just does that. Stop complaining, the world of full of hatred already. We don’t need repressed youtubers too
Jon … love your channel … and your talents … sorry to disappoint but Coldplay is not on my “playlist” … BUT … I agree with Rick in the general sense … (I believe a heart-felt piece of art (a song) is created from within from passion or a life experience … not in a room in Nashville when 4 people come together like on a time-clock and try to find a way to design a hook and/or lyrics for commercial purposes only) (that’s not how it happened for Merle Haggard you think?)… did Picasso paint by himself, have eight appendages, or a group of aiding hands of 15 humans? …
No disrespect, but I have to respectfully disagree with you as to what his happening to music … it’s becoming a commercial venture with shallow shallow substance … I see music trending like so many things in our world today … I’ll bet Jimmy Jimmy Web didn’t need a host or club of folks to write legendary tunes … yes, things change … and ways in which people create and produce art is different and always changing … as it should be … but in a general sense … I believe a song comes from within (James Taylor interview) and is gifted to the writer to create … do I think people can collaborate on art … of course … but a song , for me, seems to have to come from a single well in the ordinary course (not always) … but not a water system … curious … did you possibly see the 60 minutes interview with Cold Play’s Chris Martin (please look it up on UA-cam … and listen around time line at 3:35 about writing a song … he confesses he doesn’t even “know” what the song was about …When I heard that years ago … I couldn’t believe he said it … I rest my case … and that’s “MY RANT” …
rick doesn't want anyone on his lawn. ever. he needs all that space to effectively yell at clouds.
You're taking Rick too literally.
It was a dad rant. And I'm sure has insight re your points. He justs hits record and talks 😂
Yeah Rick likes to overstate and oversimplify about things that he doesn't like. composition and performance are 2 separate things and he full well knows it, but that would detract from his rant. Overall I understand and somewhat agree with the general idea but in a very general sense, but this particular instance was a poor choice to build an argument. I honestly have not even heard the song but I don't need to know that he's wrong and, based on his choice of the drums and synth argument, reaching. If I write a melody on a saxophone instead of my primary instrument of guitar, is that not still writing?
Rick Beato offers mostly cold takes with click bait titles that come off as very pessimistic.
In this case of the song in question , more equals less and Jon, you didn't make a compelling argument to disprove Rick's opinion.
It is fair to criticize Coldplay. Have never been a fan...
This isn’t a new thing. Carlos Santana did the same (back in the 90’s?). In my opinion, as a fan of the old Santana, it was terrible, even if it did bring his music to a new generation.
I find the song Rick is referring to as boring. But then I am not a Cold Play fan, or a fan of the style of music applied in the song.
I get what Rick is saying. If this were a general thing, where it takes fifteen people to write a song, then one has to ask “where has the talent gone? Has Cold Play run out of ideas? Is this just a way to increase revenue?” I love Supertramp, similar musically, but they were brimming with talent and ideas.
Imagine if other people had written all the Beatles songs. They would just be a “boy band”.
I am sure that Cold Play has lost and gained fans with their change of direction. I would only play their music to irritate my friends 😂
Well, the title is pretty clickbaity.
That's how you UA-cam
Because the music industry is so much smaller than it use to be, everyone wants a songwriting credit for the payout it brings. He mentions this in the video, and gives some history of how the different labels would each have one writer represented in a writing session, well as the revenue dried up from physical media, everyone now wants a piece of the writing credits. Talented songwriters exist but they have to split the pie.... In the case of Coldplay, it is ridiculous to have that many writers on the song, but over half the album has Max Martin's name as top billing. Coldplay is an old band these days, I suspect they have things they would rather do, like hang out on a beach than lock themselves away trying to write hit song or perhaps they just wanted outside talent to keep things fresh. It doesn't matter, as a songwriter Chris Martin has nothing left to prove. If Max Martin's name is on the credits you can be sure he's the primary master mind behind the melody and arrangement... For me, I prefer to listen to music where the people performing the music also credited it, at the peak of their creativity and during their low periods, there's something genuine about that and it's lost when a band seeks outside talent.... But I get it, Coldplay is a giant stage production selling out stadiums in some cases... You have thousands of people on payroll to take care of and 90% of the audience isn't like me, they really don't care who writes the music, they just want that experience of seeing Coldplay. It's the same with bands using backing tracks even for lead vocals, who really gives a shit anymore. It's all a theatrical production. I think if you go see a show at the scale they put on, you have to expect that these days. That's also why I don't go to these kind of shows. If you're looking for art in music, you're going to find it in much smaller venues, usually with performers without major labels behind them.
I’d still rather listen to Coldplay than Rick’s boomer takes. He is incredibly boring at this point.
15 people to write a song is bollocks
Yeah, this is an interesting one. I mean, if they were trying to do something different and include a bunch of people from all over the world I guess it makes sense. But then it's like is it really a Coldplay record? Why not do an entire album with that concept? 15 writers on a song is insane. 2 or 3 people on a session seems about right.
In Revelation it shall be so many people from all kinds that no one can count, and the music will sound like huge waterfalls.
Coldplay sucks. And 15 writers for a song? Are you even a freaking musician? Collabs are understandable to a degree. Is it a collab or are you out of ideas so you're piggybacking off of lesser-known artists to keep it cheap? I'm with Rick. Your outrage is fake.
By definition, a larger artist can't piggyback off of a smaller one. If anything, Coldplay crediting them is an act of charity.
Everybody loved Coldplay, at least once, in their life time*
Nope.
Great video Jon. It's silly for Rick Beato to just make ignorant assumptions here. Coldplay is being criticized when it's a lot more likely that they're actually doing something very good and spending the wealth to fellow artists who performed and contributed to the song. If Coldplay didn't credit those artists, I could see a Rick Beato video about how "Chris Martin took sole songwriting credit - what about the other 14 other people who wrote the song!!" Gotta get those UA-cam clicks after all.
I don't like Coldplay, I watch Rick now and then, but he makes some pretty stupid arguments sometimes. It's well known that there were teams of songwriters for a lot of "groups" even before the 60s, Rick probably knows that, but hey who cares he wants views and he gets them. And here I am for instance, not sure why, probably the clickbait that everyone is doing these days "for the mighty algorithm".
Now please include me in your next songwriting credits everyone mmkay
Obviously, the 60s were 60 years ago now. There was interesting music every decade since, it's just made differently. And since modern things like sampling are out of his mindset, sampling a record with a sample in it can add two bands worth of writers to the new track.
A football team has 11 players on the field and each player is critical. A song needs 15 “composers”? What - each one contributed three notes? If you love that song, just think how much better it could have been if written by 30 or 300 composers!
You lost me at "everyone loves Coldplay" I've always thought they sucked and as time goes by they suck more.
Bo-ring.
As you add more and more individuals into the process, without someone who is ultimately in charge (and even IF someone is ultimately in charge) you stand the chance of watering things down too much and lose the individuality (the individual succinct emotional statement that can really grab someone) that makes any song unique. Hearing the song that Rick referred to in his video, it sounded more like someone else trying to sound like Coldplay than actually being Coldplay. Just my opinion, and you know what they say about opinions.
To be fair, I think Rick is generalising here about "song-writng by committee" but used Coldplay as the example. However, it mght be the case that in this particular example, he chose the wrong example.
I hate Coldplay. Always have. And if you can't hear a difference between a drum part played by a real drummer and one done by a computer, it's your hearing that's in question. Programmed drums always sound mechanical and lifeless. If that's the aesthetic you're aiming for, fine. But to say that there's no difference??? Come on.
Never cared for them either
Rick is a curmudgeon. All he does is Boomer rant against literally anything new. I stopped watching him after he said in a video that music now is boring. Like sure if you only look at the charts but what REAL music fan does that? Like he needs to get a grip. A ton of the early Beatles and Stones or Zep songs were literal rip offs of old black blues songs. Do I hear Rick complaining that Robert Plant is making boring fake music? No. Cuz again, sadly we lose more and more people every year to Old Man Screaming Into The Void syndrome.
Rick is the living embodiment of old man yells at cloud.
I love their first two albums...As much as his rant is a diatribe, I agree with him. I agree with you as well...there is no one correct answer and everyone is Constitutionally allowed to have and state their opinions. He's not defaming anyone...
I would have expected a much more exciting song with 15 "writers"/contributors involved. It's not, but that is just an opinion.
There's a lot to like about Rick (in my opinion anyway), but I usually skip over these "button pushing" videos. Not sure if he is actually this firmly entrenched in rockism, or if he is just doing a bit of engagement baiting, but I usually find his arguments don't give a fair view of the entire situation and end up to simplistic. That said, I would not mind more rant videos from you. You have a wealth of knowledge and a thought that may seem trivial or obvious to you may actually be pretty insightful to us, less enlightened folk!
Coldplay debut and second album were great... what came after, not so 🥴
Chris rights 80% Coldplay stuff and they then split it 4 ways. Rick is guilty of a bit too much of the rage-bait lately
nobody loves coldplay! and Rick is 10000% right!
Mmm listened to the song… it’s bad. Surprised Coldplay just doesn’t make music for themselves hits or not.
uh, no. Not everyone loves or even likes Cold Play.
Lost me at “what’s the difference between playing a drum part, and programming a drum part?”
The point of Rick's video is that it took FIFTEEN people to create what is an extremely mediocre, boring as heck song. No line crossed whatsoever.
Coldplay are the most over rated band in the history of music, give me a break!
IMHO the song is pretty bland and unexceptional. If i see 15 contributors I would expect more.
Rick also always whines about how 4 chord songs are terrible because they only have 4 chords. And then will precede to gush about U2 being "one of the greatest bands in the world." He blocked me when I said something about that on IG. What a child.
"What is the difference between programming a drum part and playing a drum part?" if one has to ask, they will never know
With this question he did not refer to the difference in sound but to the difference in crediting the creation of a part.
We cant listen to this video. The sound of The cell phone sucks