The truth about milk: According to science | Prof. Tim Spector and Dr Sarah Berry
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- We’ve always been told that drinking milk will keep our bones from breaking. But is it actually good for you? And could other forms of dairy be the real answer to preventing diseases that come with age?
Jonathan talks with ZOE regulars Prof. Tim Spector and Dr. Sarah Berry to try and find out.
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is there any info about the microbiome and GMO Food
I agree 👊
Let’s be honest, the science has been telling us for years that milk does not build strong bones, the science has also been telling us that low fat dairy is not good either. Can we please make the data more easily accessible via public information and stop corporate influence from blocking real science. People might then get healthier.
They don’t want healthy sheeple. They want us all dead and they want to make as much money in the process. When humanity realizes this FACT that’s when we as humanity get healthier.
Don't know about other milk but cow's A2 milk is just healthiest thing ever
They have confused our science in the same way over milk, cheese, butter, eggs with or without too much cholesterol, or do we need it to get Vitamin D?
Why is low fat dairy not healthy? You are spreading misinformation. Assuming lactose is agreeable there is nothing unhealthy about fat free dairy after the saturated fat is removed. What they are saying is that dairy is not any more healthy than other calcium rich foods and is not necessary in your diet for good health.
Bogus claims; randomized controlled trials (meta-analysis by Cheng et al [2024]) tell us that dairy consumption alone improves bone strength. Whatever this doctor Tim is on about, it's bogus.
Weight bearing exercise keeps bones strong. People need to put the devices away and get out into the sun and exercise. Even into their 90’s!
The spongy looking scaffolding within bones is constantly being torn down by osteoclasts and rebuilt by osteoblasts. But this rebuilding interestingly is not random, rather it is done in a particular pattern that responds to the forces of weight bearing exercise. As you rightly say it is vital for all ages.
In short: exercise for all ages, hasn't to be intensive
I am from Denmark. I remember growing up how hard the dairy company pushed us to drink milk in school. Posters everywhere about the purported health benefits. I’ve later seen how the same company today use the confusion tactic like the tobacco industry did in response to the surge in plant based milks. On the other hand they’ve stopped the aggressive marketing, whether for climate or health i am not sure.
They've been pushing milk in Thailand and Sri Lanka.
There’s no money in dairy now. That’s why.
We in the UK were also given little bottles of milk to drink at primary school. The policy definitely helped malnourished poorer children to grow / develop. The alternative would’ve been worse for those kids. There was a national outcry when, in 1970, Margaret Thatcher (then Education Secretary) cut free milk in schools to save budget money. It went down like a lead balloon and she was promptly nicknamed “Margaret Thatcher, Milk Snatcher”!
Plant based milk? There is no such a thing.
If you look at the longevity rankings: 1) Hong Kong 2) Macao 3) Japan.
These Asian countries have one of the lowest per capita consumption of dairy products in the world.
But high in soy plus most crops of soy bought from USA gmo soy .. personally don’t like dairy but the problem is US food and pharma ..
Yeah but short people live longer. Hong Kong is part of China. There are other states that live as long or longer than Hong Kong. Anyway, the Netherlands are the tallest, eat much dairy and live a lot longer than the Chinese. If you like cherry picking.
they are the highest on the list, hence soy is not a problem at all@@nasali4817
there are a lot of countries with short people who rank a lot lower, hence size is not the point either.@@brucejensen3081
Ha ha , The Netherlands..... rank a lot worse on number 19@@brucejensen3081
So many of these Zoe podcasts leave more confused than before I listened to them. He says milk not good for bones, she says, in her interpretation of the data and he smiles, cheese good for bones, he says data for cheese more positive but data for milk more definitive….wtf.
Lower sugar, lower insulin, definitely important and believable
Didn't say milk is not good for bones. Says milk does not prevent bone fractures.
There are so many studies out there showing how animal protein, and animal fat can have negative effects on human health. Particularly bovine milk/lactose. Heart disease, diabetes, inflammation, cancer.......
If there are any factors in these new studies that suggest 'some' benefits of dairy, it could well be the high fat content that offers dairy eaters 'some' health benefits, but overall its not something we should be eating if we are aiming for longevity and better overall health. Some studies suggest that a higher fat (healthy fats!) diet is what can promote satiety, better body composition, weight control, and reduction of many unfavourable health outcomes.
I'm 77. I grew up on an old fashioned dairy farm which sold 'raw' glass bottled milk door to door. Since 1957 I've had maybe half a dozen mild colds, and I got malaria working in Africa in the late 60'. Otherwise always have been very healthy to this day. I literally never missed a day from school or work ever for being sick.
I attribute my good health to that raw milk and farm life upbringing. The so-called milk you buy today usually sold in plastic containers is a world away from the real thing. Worse, if you're a young man, you are probably getting literally slowly neutered by the plastic toxics in that product. Don't believe me? Google Shawna Swan, a very well renowned scientist, who has been trying to raise the alarm about this pending disaster.
The milk you and I drank in better days is nowhere close to the trash available today. It's not the plastic even though that is not good but what they do to milk. First off cows no longer exist on pasture as nature intended but are fed trash that they would never eat in nature. Then pasteurization kills the enzymes to protect you from all the things in the milk from these sick cows. But the real major damage is done to milk with homogenization that makes milk no longer milk but white garbage not even fit for the sewer just so these snow flakes wont have to deal with cream on top. Sad really, isn't it?
You are a mutant as maybe 80% of all grown ups are lactose intolerant. GaLactose is used in many scientific studies with animals to accelerate aging. Thsts why ladies eg in the UK age so badly and turn really ugly.
Bring back glass bottles of milk 😊
I give my son or organic unhomogonised milk but my local supermarket only sells milk in plastic bottles
Exactly!!! We are in Communist state of Canada....when i was a youngster we milked cows by hand....separated the cream....extra milk went to the chickens and hogs...we grew up drink raw milk....all our food was basically organic. Today the food is covered with plastics and crops/livestock are so chemically pumped theyre not real....
What cows are fed as well as pasturisation has a lot to with the quality of milk we have today. It would be interesting to see the difference between organic, raw milk compared to the gmo, pasturised milk we are forced to have.
I agree
the answer is at your fingertips just google how safe is it to drink raw milk?
+1 for a vid on raw milk and other raw dairy products please.
They don’t want healthy sheeple. They want us all dead and they want to make as much money in the process. When humanity realizes this FACT that’s when we as humanity get healthier.
@@mattg8415 and if it hasn’t been tested? How did they test it centuries ago? How much of total dairy consumption is that? 0.1% or less?
Watching this while eating a grilled cheese sandwich. Lets die early, but at least happy
I'd rather live a long healthy live minus the cheese. I've seen what poor diets do to people and I don't want that.
Milk marketing board pushed milk on behalf of the government and farmers.
Milk is very good food. Better than plants!
What’s the nutrition you can’t obtain elsewhere? And following analyses of studies many experts are advising to tread on the side causation with milk due to association with some cancers. Better quality research with higher quality design needs to be done. This includes research that separates milk from other dairy products. But comparing plant milks to dairy should only be done if people are replacing for nutritional reasons if the rest of their diet is lacking.
The marketing team funds the study.
@@TTR83Meat is very good food. Better than milk. 😀
@@kamanashisroy And how does this effect how valid the research is?
It takes more than calcium to build bones, most people don't get enough K2 and magnesium, d3 also important. Cheese is high in K2 being a fermented food.
Indeed, though it's important to remember that calcium and magnesium exist in a balance -- consuming too much of one will drive down your rates of another. A similar point can be made about zinc and copper and to a lesser extent potassium and sodium. Everyone needs all of these minerals and the associated vitamins needed to process and absord them.
@@davesmith826 absolutely but the medical profession seem to think that calcium and D3 are the only requirements for strong bones. All the other minerals required if in balance drive down the need for calcium because it becomes more effectively absorbed.
PS I think we agree. I always have copper with my zinc, think from memory it's about 10% but it's a formulae so I don't have to think about it. It does horrify me when I see zinc being sold without copper.
I'm from New Zealand and we have a really sick and fat population,so many people have no idea how bad milk is,our government loves sick people
There’s no profit in healthy people, am I right?
The system(globally) loves sick people
For benefits of fermented dairy products without buying dairy (eg. for vegans), how about non-dairy yoghurt, sauerkraut, kimchi,... non-dairy cheese?
Milk marketing board are gonna hate this clip!
Maybe the benefit of fermenting dairy is that it removes lactose, which makes an unhealthy product healthy. Fermenting bread removes gluten, making it healthy. The only reason you ferment cabbage is for storage.
My Mum is a milk addict, so am I. I have very strong bones as does my Mum who is 103 and still rocking.
My mum was also a milk addict (probably a liter a day, including cheese and yogurt), but she got such a strong osteoporosis that at 80 she had a spontaneous fracture of the femur head while walking. She survived and was able to walk again after surgery, but then she had another hip fracture 5 years later. She has been in a wheelchair since then. She was very active before, not doing sport but walking a lot.
My husband drank a lot of milk and died of bowel cancer at 57. Everyone knows someone who smoked 20 a day and lived until they were 100. Means nothing.
My grandmother and her sisters drank milk all their lives. All died when they were over 90, my grandma at 94 and her elder sis at 97 just a few years ago.
Some smokers live until their 90s as well. Anecdotes do not make for sound public health advice.
@martin.quirion.auteur meaning, drinking milk is as bad as smoking? Are you dumb?
@martin.quirion.auteur the only sis which died in her 80, was the only one who smoked and was overweight.
@@zamolxezamolxe8131 Two anecdotes still do not make for sound public health advice. My point is simply that we cannot draw reliable conclusions from isolated cases, we need to look at studies following thousands of people to get a clear picture.
@caseys8754 they took it from the cow directly and boiled it and drank it. Cows were outside in the mountains and fields all day long. Pigs too
The best diet to give yourself the best chance of healthy years is a whole food plant based diet without salt oil or sugar. No alcohol or smoking. Regular sleep and exercise. Good relationships and relaxation. Can't necessarily do it all but a good diet certainly helps.
I agree with you completely! I have recently also transitioned to an organic plant-based diet, as I am concerned about the yet unknown long-term effects of pesticides and herbicides on our health.
I think the problem with modern farming, is that we have learned how to do it on a massive scale (for our obscenely massive human population) and this has resulted in it being so far removed from the natural food products that we used to consume.
Absolutely 💯. Feeling so good on my WFPB diet. Vegan almost 5 years, but now I'm considering my health too.
It's a relief to hear that because I'm literally addicted to dairy.
That's because cows milk contains casein, when we digest it it becomes casomorphine which attaches to the same brain receptors as morphine. It's more concentrated in cheese. The reason dairy milk naturally contains this is to help the calf bond with their mother and keep them coming back to her. This is why people say the feel addicted to dairy, especially cheese.
Try plantbased milk or vegan milk it's more healthy then milk from a cow.
@@Ruby-qn6yh Similar compounds are in plants too.
@@TTR83 which compounds are they?
@@Ruby-qn6yh Alkaloids and SUGAR.
Can you please make a video about the right way of preparing nuts, seeds, and legumes? Soaking, cocking, grinding, whole etc. That would be greatly appreciated!
Take a look at Sally K Norton's work on oxalates, Tim includes "toxic oxalate" foods in his recommendations.
They have to be prepared because they're toxic.
My Mother developed colon cancer in her late 30’s she ate a high milk and dairy diet. She cured herself of the cancer but ultimately it came back and she passed of it. The body is so complex and people’s metabolism’s are so varied. All the people who I’ve spoken with re arthritis have said most of their worst symptoms were cured after stopping dairy. As much as I love dairy I know I feel so much better without it. 😢
I would like to see more investigation about dairy and arthritic conditions - there's not enough scientific evidence produced but how come plenty of anecdotal evidence where people describe of much less / no pain after dropping dairy intake. I'm not against dairy - I just don't think as a species we're meant to have lots of it.
I consume it everyday and I love dairy. It improves my health.
A2 cow milk is must for be everyday as it's important for my quality sleep
I have arthritis and I drink milk, there's no improvement when I stop drinking milk.
@@paulp1372 We should not have lots of vegetables and fruits either because these are all genetically modified plants, man-made. Non of those existed before agriculture.
What about their vit D levels which might have prevented them from effectively absorbing any calcium ingested?
You need both vitamin D and K2 to get the calcium you consume in the right places, and also the right amount of vitamin A -- too much or too little can drive up your risk of oesteoporosis. Most people in the UK are deficient in the first two vitamins, which is why so many end up with brittle bones.
@@davesmith826 Yes, indeed but the reason I initially wondered about levels of vit D was that I was reminded of the unexpectedly low levels of vit D in the general populations during the height of the Covid pandemic. If this is still the case especially in older people, I would have thought it might be important in the issue of calcium. As you say other elements too may be contributing factors. I just can't see why dairy is being singled out as useless.
Understandable. Everyone - all ages - should supplement with daily vitamin D3 doses of 1000IU and occasional K2 if they don't eat lots of cheese or butter made from grass fed cows. Some of the alleged protective properties of dairy talked about in this video could be because of K2. I doubt calcium has anything to do with it - people who drink less milk tend to have stronger bones. @@MyGlens
Milk doesn't naturally have any significant amount of vit d... they're fortified...
I'm a vegan ...so I don't drink milk... But what you're saying is not true..
@@MyGlenseveryone should be supplementing with vit d (as advised by the doc obviously..) as it indeed is a sunshine vitamin... Near damn impossible to hit daily recommended amount with diet only..
Milk significantly increases the risk of prostate and breast cancers is what I have learned from Dr Greger.
Greger is a shill who knows far less than he claims to. But I don't think he's wrong about milk. It's intended for baby cows, riddled with hormones, and packed with both sugar and fat to promote weight gain. Its reputed calcium benefits have definitely been oversold, and there is really no point drinking it for that or any other mineral, micronutrient, or enzyme.
I have for a long time held the theory that hormonal cancers could be caused by us continuing to consume milk of other species intended for rearing their own infants, as milk does contain hormones that may badly influence our wellbeing. I am interested to learn that is the opinion of a doctor.
@wendyrowland7787 have a read of the best seller "how not to die" by Dr Michael Greger.
@wendyrowland7787 have a read of the best seller "how not to die" by Dr Michael Greger.
How about cheese?
Calcium from the green leaf vegies but can we digest it properly to extract Ca from it.
Whatever the Government advises if you do the complete opposite you know you are going to be healthier.
It's funny to see Tim a man in his 60s to suffer from apparently major fomo now and trying to catch up on the milk he missed out in his childhood. How about the increased risk of prostate and breast cancer ? What's the rationale for drinking cow hormones oestrogen and igf1 ? How about the ethics of paying the dairy industry to produce huge CO2 emissions driving climate change and industrialised animal exploitation?
Sadly, most people are just too selfish to care about anything that does not affect them directly. "I can't live without cheese." Well, actually, you can. You're just too selfish to try.
Why no mention of Vitamin D3 and K2 required to absorb Calcium from muscle tissue into the bone?
It is the solution to the entire issue in the video and a solution to osteoporosis. Why it is is not mentioned, is a massive concern, to me.
When speaking of fermented dairy as the “healthy dairy” could one then go a little further and say that its not because it’s fermented DAIRY that it’s healthy, but because it’s FERMENTED. And therefore it would be just as (if not more) healthy to eat fermented vegetables? It’s all super interesting. 😊
The interviewer is not very good. Him interrupting Prof Berry when she was explaining the different benefit from fermenters n=vs non fermented dairy is a good example. He confused matters and even ended up talking about grains.
Milk is for babies, cows milk is designed for baby cows .Even adult cows do not drink milk.
Whilst calcium is goid for bones, as we age it's not so much about how much we consume as it is about the available source, ie, after menopause decreasing hormones mean that the calcium you got from your food so easily in your youth, now is unable to be taken from intake so your body take the most easily available source of calcium, your bones, hence osteoporosis. The answer is not more calcium it's specific exercise -load bearing, which will ensure adequate bone growth and protect against fragility.
You know who does consume milk? Omnivores and carnivores when they kill a young animal with a stomach full of milk or a lactating female with an udder full of milk.
The book The China Study by T Colin Campbell is absolutely essential reading for anyone who still drinks cows milk
I’ve just been hearing about the China study. It sounds very interesting and an incredibly comprehensive study.
@@leelabella7357 highly recommend it.
Lol. The China Study is the worst pseudo science out there. You guys really have to stop listening to people and look at what their references are. If you know statistics you know that the whole field of nutrition is a joke. They make conclusions based on poor data or selected data. The field is a joke.
Utterly debunked. He lied about what the data showed.
@@helenfitch6590 can you tell me where I can find the evidence for this being debunked?
Gave up milk in the 1970s hated the taste,
Milk contributes to soft tissue Calcification i.e. arteries and heart valves. My Mother had an Aortic Valve replacement at aged 65 because of her aortic valve being calcified and hardened, in her life leading up to the need for this operation, every time she had a cup of coffee it was made with a cup full of boiled milk and no water involved, just milk, she ate small yogurts everyday, she ate cheese regularly. So it looks like it's a case of too much calcium in the diet or because of her standard high carb diet the calcium can't somehow get to the bones or teeth as it should and deposits on soft tissue instead. My Mother had the Pig Valve replacement at aged 65 and 8 months old and the operation was successful and she continued to drink and eat dairy up until this year, aged 78, when a CT scan in April this year revealed she needed the replacement pig valve replacing using the TAVI procedure, unfortunately she was on a waiting list and died on 7th August, with the usual symptoms of Heart Failure leading up to her death; these replacement pig valves only last a maximum of 15 years.
So, overall, I do wonder if her life of dairy consumption did her any good at all and oh, yes, she also suffered from varicose veins from her 50's onwards and had one operation to remove a vein.
It could also be that your mom wasn't eating enough magnesium and vitamin K2, which the data shows prevents the calcification in the soft tissues..
No it doesn't 😂
My condolences. I have calcification in my shoulders so not sure what the cause is and I'm not a heavy milk drinker .. I'm not 40 even
Yes dairy is bad for everyone,not if taken in moderation I'm 69 my body is like 30yrs old no cellulite eat lots of greens and fruits and drink lots of water and walk everyday 😁
❤thank you❤
The problems are the farmers feed cows with all kinds of toxic chemicals so when people consume the meat & milk , eventually some would be sick of some health problems related to this
My biggest problem with milk is that it makes me have increased mucus production. Even one glass of it and I just begin to sneeze repeatedly and get a postnasal drip. I don't care about my lactose intolerance because now there are pills you can take... what bothers me is that I love milk and dairy products and I am unable to drink it because of this issue.
Me too!
Lactose
@@Ajhc73 Last I checked, lactose gives us stomach issues, not sinus. Besides, I drink lactose-free milk and it STILL makes me sneeze.
@@indranidasgupta8982 yes i was better on A2 milk tho better still no milk but hate my morning coffee without it. When i eat porridge i feel off too I’m sure milk isn’t compatible with humans body system
It increases my mucus as well, but not from the nose! Yuk.
My Aunty grew up on a farm and unsurprisingly eats a lot of dairy, she was diagnosed with osteoporosis a few years back (she is 80, incidentally,) it did cause me to start questioning whether dairy actually helps bone health all that much
In my country cows roam free, eat tons of plants and grass and on occasion fruits, drink water from lakes so yes everything in excess is bad and cows kept in bad conditions will give poisonous milk.
Honestly nutrition ideas change so much it makes my head spin!
I know why isn't there just a general consensus on what's good for you. It's a minefield with so many differing opinions and many different invested parties
A more fundamental issue raised by dairy, besides the question of whether or not certain dairy foods can help to prevent osteoporosis, is the preference for us to eat a diet that's quite low in the volume of food. If the amount of food on your plate is going to be small, then it's inevitable that you will rely on very compact sources of essential nutrients, like dairy, meat, fish. And vegetarians and vegans would end up eating fake meats based on soy.
And, of course, the calories in the low-volume diet comes from refined fats and oils. The debate about whether oil such as olive oil is healthy or not is then again a big distraction from the main issue, namely that the way we use oils and fats keeps the volume of our diets small. It's this small volume diet that makes us dependent on meat, and dairy. In a small volume diet, the vegetables that people can eat to get enough calcium gets quite limited. A kale meal might provide enough, but few people could eat enough broccoli to get enough calcium from a broccoli meal.
And the biggest problem with this diet is that fiber is in the bulk of the food we eat and we get about 20 grams of fiber a day while indigenous populations get 100 grams or more fiber a day, because they don't eat refined oils and fats nor refined carbs.
I've gradually stopped eating refined oils and I eat way more food than most people. I eat about 1 kg of vegetables per day. I have no problems eating 500 grams of broccoli for lunch, 300 grams of carrots and 300 grams of bell peppers. I also eat lots of whole grain bread, brown rice, potatoes etc. I eat nuts like walnuts almonds etc.
If people see the amount of food that I prepare for myself, they always think that I'm cooking for 3 or 4 persons. If I look at what adults are eating I'm always surprised at how little food there is on their plates. Volume-wise they are eating quantities of vegetables that five-year-olds should be able to eat.
Eating like I do when used to eating a typical Western diet, requires a gradual adaptation of your intestines to handle the much larger volumes of food and the larger amounts of fiber. This is best done by gradually reducing the amount of oils added to the food. Once you get used to eating this way, you don't have to worry about your nutrient intake. You would have to eat in an extremely one-sided way to miss out on certain nutrients, and even then the deficiencies would be limited.
For example, of you check what the nutrient profile is of a 2500 Kcal diet of only walnuts or only potatoes, you'll be surprised to see that the deficiencies of such a diet are actually quite minor. If you check what you get from 2500 Kcal of olive oil, you may be surprised that besides fat and vitamin E, you are not getting much else.
While the diet I stick to looks like a burden on the intestines, I do believe that this is part of what makes it healthy. It's analogous to exercise. It's more comfortable to not exert yourself, but on the long run that's not good for your body. Eating a typical Western diet is analogous to not getting enough exercise. Adding olive oil to your food and eating small amounts of foods, is analogous to taking the car instead of walking or biking.
Asking whether olive oil or dairy is healthy or whether it is linked to common health problems, is like asking whether sitting in a car is bad for health. It's the wrong question to ask, and doing rigorous research to answer such questions doesn't help a lot. In Couch Potato Land where everyone always takes the car they are relieved to find out that sitting in a car is not casually linked to cardiovascular problems. Yes, they do get far more heart attacks than in neighboring Fitness Land, but the cause has nothing to do with sitting in car. 🤣
Hi Saibal, thanks for the insightful and thought provoking comment, and for sharing your knowledge and experience. Makes sense. 👍
Thank you for this eye opening information!
Tim and Sarah - Milk and butter are always mentioned, but what about cream? Is cream nutritionally the same as butter, or just very close to it, though different as a whole food? Please comment.
For years GPs have prescribed calcium supplements to older women. Yet research has shown that in women who have a stroke, if they have been taking such supplements, their likelihood of developing dementia is dramatically increased compared to those not taking calcium supplements. I would imagine most women have a good amount of calcium in their diets, eg from taking milk in their tea or coffee etc, and have no need at all for supplements. Yet theyre still routinely prescribed.
Yes i take vitamin D and K2 to help add calcium to my bones and away from arteries, when you look for expert advice online there does seem a move away from calcium supplements now?
The science is pretty clear: calcium supplements significantly raise a woman's risk of a 'thrombotic event', which means heart attack and stroke. Yet the same daily intake of dietary calcium doesn't bring with it that risk. As yet, we don't know why.
Oestrogen deficiency also plays an enormous part in all of this - causing osteoporosis, heart attacks and dementia! Medically accepted and proven. HRT has been proven to reduce all three.
@@musicloverUKMain factor for osteoporosis in women after menopause is lack of hormones, especially estrogen and testosterone. This is well known fact. Go to good endocrinologist and get your hormone tested. If required get hormone therapy. You can also get some supplements to increase estrogen production, but it depends how big is the deficit. If your estrogen and testosterone is low then your calcium reabsorption is way bugger than bone forming process. Eating calcium rich products and vit D or wit K2 will not help much in many cases.
@@kcam3683Yeah finally someone who knows some facts. But other will just call to take calcium and vit D and K2. Seems like people don't realize how big of a role hormones are playing in ones body. I mean they know they are there and are important, but don't really understand how important they are.
I have a friend and she is psychiatrist. She told me that at least 50% of male sueciders would probably show low testosterone level if diagnosed. Ask any man who experienced testosterone deficiency, how did they feel. This is how important hormones are. They literally make you who you are. From mood to physical form.
Come on, how did it take this long to realise it was just business! I learned very quickly as a child that it just intuitively wasn’t right!
Everything in moderation and balance.
no. Not meat. Any amount is deadly. Do your research.
All excellent but can I suggest the three of you leave the podcasts for a week and join your customer service team and help clear the backlog of customer enquiries. Thank you.
How is it possible that these people haven’t heard of the China study? Dr Berry has steadfastly defended dairy while never once mentioning this landmark study, and its conclusions.
Garbage study, or rather, garbage interpretation. They're right not to put any stock in it
Did these people in care homes know they were part of a study? Crikey!
Was your conclusion from your research done by the dairy industry it would be good to know where your research findings come from
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Dr Berry seems like the doctors from the 60's who said smoking Camel cigarettes is better than smoking any other brand. While Dr Spector says that milk leads to osteoporotic fractures and there are alternate sources of calcium, Dr Berry just butts in to say that dairy is good for bone health, heart health and believe it or not, controlling weight!
I gave up dairy 100% almost 5 years ago, because I don't want to be responsible for cruelty to cows. There are plenty of healthy hings I can consume that don't harm innocent animals.
I have wondered whether the large amount of evidence that fermented foods have positive effects on your health could lead to a phenomena where other factors start to become ignored.
This video contains an example.
“Care homes that add dairy to the diet have better outcomes for a range of diseases including colon cancer and osteoporosis”. Because milk has been shown not to be beneficial in osteoporosis maybe it’s cheese and yogurt?
The assumption is that the benefit is from the fermented nature of the dairy. It could be the fat in the dairy has been modified by fermentation to be more like WFPB fats and that it is the nature of the fat rather than it being a fermented food specifically that is beneficial. It could be either , we just don’t know.
Increasing nuts and beans could have the same effect. Long term studies on lifespan and diet hint that this might be true. Testing both food types in the same setting could help resolve this. But even then we can’t say for certain that the mechanism for the benefits from both food groups is the same, maybe adding fermented dairy and a diet where more lipids are whole food plant based maybe the best of all.
How is fermented dairy fat more like plant based fat? If anything it increases the amount of saturated fat because the fermentation of carbohydrates in this case lactose turns it into saturated fat.
If you want to protect your bones from too easily fracturing etc. avoid salt at all costs.
They cut that off rather abruptly. Is sounds like he was about to say that there's no evidence at all that low fat dairy is healthier, but I'd be interested in knowing with some certainty.
Also, what evidence exists that osteoporosis or osteopenia are attributable to calcium deficiency? There seems to be a lot of evidence that calcium is often not distributed properly--ending up in the vascular system rather than in bones. Vitamins K2, D and magnesium seem to address that issue, but it's not clear how effectively.
it's a clip from a longer video.
And where is so-called latest research published?
why reshow a small part of an earlier video, and then stop it abruptly?
no mention of the severe cruelty and torture involved in the dairy industry or the energy of torture going into your body.That alone will make you deadly sick.
What about milk as a source of potassium. The US now requires this to be listed on the nutrition label although we don’t do it in the EU . I have just run what I ate today through a calculator and I am at 50% of suggested. No wonder I have high blood pressure. I hate milk.
I wasn't aware the milk had any potassium - at least not in appreciable quantitites - or that potassium was a risk factor for CVD - quite the opposite in fact: it's sodium, it's opposite number in our body, that is definitively correlated with elevated blood pressure.
Two things you can and should do: increase the quantity and range of non-starchy vegetables and fruits in your diet, and stop using mouth wash. The second suggestion is not a joke: it's been directly correlated with high blood pressure in multiple trials and the apparent reason is its effect on your mouth microbiome - it, along with flouride, essentially kills it.
@@davesmith826Potassium has the opposite effect of sodium. Sodium contracts muscle and potassium relaxes muscle.
Milk is rich in most essential nutrients with a couple exceptions. It's why the Maasai who eat almost nothing but milk and blood were able to survive without dying from nutrient deficiencies.
What about Greek yogurt ?
Take organic one and add kefir to your diet.
There is data from Japan on NATO (fermented soy) stopping fractures. That is how we got the idea K2-MK7 helps bones. May be best to get NATO though?
The evidence is quite clear: dairy raises a man's risk of aggressive prostate cancer, and womens' risk of breast cancer. I happen to like cheese and butter, a lot, but when I read the numerous studies I found the evidence compelling. Interestingly, my somewhat concerning PSA numbers fell after giving up all dairy, and that made me more determined than ever to make the change permanent. I'm a slender, fit 64 yr old man.
That is mumbo jumbo the evidence is not clear.
Is for me. Dairy causes me huge problems peeing. I basically can’t and the pain is excruciating. Cut out ALL dairy and the pain goes away and I can pee easily again. Dairy contains high levels of oestrogen which causes enlargement of the prostate.and likely cancer.
@@alexmorgan3435 dairy does not cause enlargement of the prostate 😂
Eveything is fortified with calcium not just dairy. Why? Isnt consuming too much calcium counter to people with heart disease?
3:10… how can dairy reduce risk of DM2 and CVD? That just does not make sense…… it is pro inflammatory and full of saturated fat..
milk completely destroyed my gut. its very acidic and gave me lactose intolerance. if your gonna drink milk, get raw milk .
Who. cut this short? Zoe or UA-cam? The last question was important. Full fat is better than low fat. The evidence is in already.
There is a link for the full episode under the video. They have been rereleasing old content in a shorter format to gain views.
Thanks for pointing this out!!@@redhen689
How about actual stats instead of scaring all menopausal women, etc? The industry is comparing bone density of normal post-menopausal women to 28 yr old healthy women to exaggerate the difference and declaring a "pandemic" of osteopenia. Zoe is supposed to clear up the hype, not help to exaggerate it
Milk has been so processed / pasteurized / filtered / watered down, that it has now become equal with bread: all the good parts of the food have been extracted. Time to get a backyard goat to mow the lawn, once a year, a lovely service will bring in a male goat for some work, and keep that milk flowing ;-)
Fat has been removed and then they add sugar to compensate.
@@TTR83Evidence please
@@Phantom-mk4kp "Sweet Acidophilus Lowfat Milk".
@@Phantom-mk4kp It is not always so but there can be many ultra processed items among good ones.
Quite right. A glass of unadulterated milk is a meal in itself.
Pls discuss coffee + milk latest study🙏
Any studies with raw milk?
Yep, the science says it's actually for baby cows. It is completely unnatural for humans to consume lactations from another animal, so why would you?
Do they take into consideration that the Dutch and Scandinavians tend to be tall and very much into sports, when making claims about bone fracture rates? Also, in my ,experience me coming from Central Europe, people who regularly eat dairy generally make healthier food choices (e.g. a huge difference btw red meat eaters and alcohol drinkers versus yoghurt eaters). Is this taken into account when those correlations are made?
WTH, the last answer was completely cut-off regarding the choice between full-fat milk or low fat milk.
Boron does for bones what you imagine calcium does. Scandianavian peninsula has very low boron in the soil. Milk is very healthy food and contains boron when boron is in the soil where the cows pasture. If you can't digest milk then you have intestinal dysbiosis.
But also calcium needs magnesium to be properly absorbed
Bones are hugely protein and the vast majority of animals growth is after weaning so they are consuming their specific diet when the bones grow the most
No mention of the ethics (or lack of them) in dairy farming. I gave up dairy a couple of years ago because of the treatment of cattle. Not noticed any change 8n my health but anecdotal evidence is of little value.
Difficult to get good reserch from care homes as they vary so much and maybe a bit late re age wise. Vit d etc more 8mportant
If you were to discuss the benefits and disbenefits of, say, human slavery, in these calm, non-judgmental terms (as might have been possible 250 years ago) it would come across as very odd now. The “elephant in the room” therefore is this: how is it possible to discuss the dairy industry, which is, by any objective standards, brutal, without reference to that fact? This must be especially the case when the science shows how marginal it is in terms of human health. There is, to the best of my knowledge, no evidence at all, that a well balanced vegan diet (i.e not coke & chips) is at least as good for you. For myself, it would have to be desperately bad for my health for me to be without dairy produce in my diet before I would adopt one that required calves etc to be taken from their mothers at birth and all the other evils inherent in the production of animal milk.
In my lifetime -
Don't eat beef - eat beef
Don't eat butter - eat butter,
Don't eat fat - eat fat,
Don't eat eggs - eat eggs,
and many others I've forgotten (due to my poor diet no doubt). 😁😆
More research = more knowledge.
@@emmabrooker166 So how do we know some of what they tell us to do now will not be found to be proved wrong in future? I love science don't get me wrong and I respect their work and expertise, but for me looking to what the traditional diet has been in my country-Ireland, and what the people eat in the Blue Zones will not steer anyone wrong because it's all fresh, unprocessed ingredients.
Doesn’t fermented dairy (like kefir) have a benefit due to the bacteria producing vitamins that help the calcium enter the bones (vitamin K2?) rather than hang out in the arteries? And for that vitamin kefir like products are the best source ?
So does calcium in your food not reduce fractures in later life if you have d3 supplements/ sunshine ?
I lost weight, eating grass fed butter grom New Zealand and eating cheese. Cheers from Australia 🦘🌏
How does butter eat grass? I think you've been hoodwinked.
@@lynnritchie231 the cow eats grass😁
Is almond milk ok to drink
Of course it is.
We don't need diary, PERIOD! We are not calves. This is ridiculous! 😂
👍"milk is for baby calves that need to become a big fat cow as soon as possible" -dr Klaper. Some want to prove it😂
@@blanckieificationCalfs aren't fat, they are very lean. The cows become fat as adults when we feed them grains. Human babies are very unique in that they are fat, this is because the milk is low in protein and high in carbs and fat.
So what? You think other omnivores or carnivores don't eat stomach and udders that are full of milk?
Yup. excellent.
So, prof. Spector is saying milk is bad, but kale is good source of calcium for bone denisity - how does the body know which calcium is coming from milk and which one is from kale? Isn't calcium, calcium? Do those studies say that body is saying no to milk calcium but yes to kale calcium?
Dairy contains what some call acidic protein witch leeches minerals, like the so famous calcium, from your bones. So it causes you be more vulnerable to bone fractures, like stated in the video.
Very little news here. Drink milk, eat cheese, full fat butter and lift weights. Anyone who quotes "the science" is a red flag....
Highest amount of cskcium per volume is found in sesame seeds.
as far as I know, my mother is suffering since years, almost 2 decades about osteoporosi (as called here in Italy).
She still drinks milk every day at breakfast, and sometimes eat cheese as Grana or Parmigiano, some mozzarella.
Her osteoporosi is getting worse year by year.
So here we go with integration on Vit D and yearly check up in order to tell her to drink milk and eat cheese
Dairy is probably irrelevant but protein is good for old people. Adding a little protein from any aource helps them in many ways. Vitamin D also helps. We are practically isolated from the sun, since we live in interiors and vehicles behind glass and are fully clothed. Old people are very sensitive to the effects of low vitamin D. It affects the outcome of most health events, especially the critical ones. 20yos with low vitamin D are relatively safe, but low vitamin
D can kill old people with an infection.
Are you not aware that oestrogen deficiency is directly linked to osteoporosis? Women do not have osteoporosis until after menopause starts and directly causes it by lack of oestrogen. One of the medically proven benefits of Hormone Replacement Therapy is bone protection.
Have you looked into Xtend-life Bone support product? I gave that my late mother.
You realize that menopause is bug factor righ? Estrogen deficits are primary cause of osteoporosis in women. Put her on hormone therapy. If she is still able to perform resistance exercises then she should do with some resistance bands and small weight.
Low estrogen (and testosterone also) causes resorbtion proces to be dominant over bone forming. It also depends how big was your mothers initial bone density (before menopause started) and how fast loss is taking place.
It's not only that I eat calcium and I will be ok. There is many processes which takes place and can disturb calcium absorption etc.
This man in video is kinda funny to me as he says kale or nuts are good source of calcium. Well he didn't mention that plants have many anti nutrients like lectins which makes absorption nearly impossible.
Similarly you have spinach which is reach in iron, but its absorbtion is nothing compare to for example one from liver. Simply iron in plants is non heme form.
@@nieczerwony The iron from plant sources is absorbed according to the current levels of the person. Source quality is a myth that is supported by improperly designed direct comparisons and is mostly used in marketing vitamins. Iron is very well regulated, you can't simply give a person iron and expect a cpecific response or use the result in comparisons. Many other things in the body behave like iron, cholesterol levels etc, and we treat them in an ineffective way because we think they are very simple.
Hogwash. To start with the majority of the world's population is lactose intolerant.
Before we can firmly establish milk and milk products are really healthy or not, especially if there is influence from the milk industries, is it ethical to support separating cows from their babies so the milk can be stolen from the mothers and causing them to pine and cry for each other for days to weeks, just like humans will?
Dr Gary Fraser of the Seventh-Day Adventist study, talking on The Proof with Simon Hill, says no milk - only small amount of cheese/yoghurt.
What about excess deaths Tim. .waitng.
yes .. excess deaths.. or why we need to roll out an old vaccine for a new variant due to imunno escape ??? keh !!! people are so kept in the dark these days ... and fed rubbish ... like escaped terrorist ... hmmmmmm
Almonds are full of pesticides if not organic..noone talks about that and yet almond milk is pushed on us....GMO almonds=$
It's my understanding that peanuts are even worse, since they are far more suspectible to predation.
It's nigh on impossible to eat a clean diet these days in any case - unless you want to restrict yourself to what has been definitively grown organically in your own backyard. Even then you'll find environmental pollutants of all sorts deposited on the soil. They've stretched to all corners of the globe, although it's obviously better in some places than others.
Fine. Buy some organic almonds, blend them with some water, a date, and cinnamon. There. Almond milk. No cholesterol or hormones. Most importantly, no animal exploitation.
Mammal is mammal, and Tree is Tree.
And milk is pure without antibiotics injected in the cows..., nothing that can harm you😂
Personally I think your talking nonsense, one small piece of cheese eaten after a meal nullifies all the acid in your mouth and my mrs went vegan for a few years and her teeth started to crack until she started dairy again. My father didn’t have one filling until his death and his meals were basically bread cheese milk !
Who funds the studies that show positive results?
They missed some points here that it's not the dairy product that is good just because it's fermented, it's the bacteria that do it and you can take bacteria as a supplement or eat other fermented foods like sauerkraut or Kimchi for example. To root this out, there should be controlled studies comparing people who take the bacteria alone, eating non dairy fermented foods and lastly fermented dairy. They never said what kind of studies were made on the different dairy foods and if it's not high quality randomized control trials, it's basically garbage.
No mention of pus in the milk, the limit allowed was highered.Corpirate dairy practices include filling the cows full of hormones,medications,antibiotics,etc, causing rampant and painful mastitis in the cow udders. there's no way to avoid the pus getting in the milk. These videos do not help at all when they leave out so many aspects that go on in the dairy industry. The level of estrogen alone in the milk should be a deterrent, especially to all those men who make fun of vegan, vegetarians who consume too much soy. Well go look up how much is consumed in dairy and meat, besides all the other negative hormones.
Saying dairy will build strong bones is like saying protein will build strong muscles, in it of itself.
Any food will be of no use unless the body is active under a variety of stresses, except for maintaining baseline metabolism.
Not mentioned in this segment, how the dairy is processed, which has to be a contributing factor, along with other lifestyle choices. YMMV, so rock on.
Interesting, it's quite sad because milk would be beneficial when you have disabilities particularly in older generation to get calories in and nutrients. My grampy got to a point where he could only drink milk and have a few bites of food. With my nan due to copd not only difficult to prepare the meals but simply chewing definitely reduced quality of diet. So how do we resolve this?
you have fluoide in milk, you have flourosis, your bones become brittle. you have fluoride in vegetables if they drink water with flluoride. It accumilates.
Most Asians are lactose intolerant.
Lactose intolerants drinking dairy increases inflammation.
Avoid grained + antibiotic fed cows (i.e. most of it).
Yogurt + Cheese are lower in lactose and can have good probiotics.
Parmasan cheese aged for 30 months or more also has no lactose at all - the bacteria in the cheese eats it all, making it the best option for anyone who is lactose intolerant.
Break out the pesto.
Yeah who you are matters here. Myself I come from western Euro people who have herded cattle for millennia. I have done awfully well on heavy dairy consumption on account of the genetic adaptations I’ve inherited. If you don’t have that, dairy hurts more than helps.
@@gearoiddom Irish? :) I am and that's what I've long thought too and why I seem to be fine with lots of dairy. Plus the quality is so good here that I don't worry about how it was produced or what nasty additives may be in it, like in the US for example.
@@greenknitter Yeah I’m Irish. It’s amazing the lengths some people here go to in order to put down a nutritious locally-produced whole food whilst praising some processed derivative of a plant based product stuck in a ship container for weeks on end. And these people usually have the same lactose digesting capability. You’re correct- we are spoiled here with quality.