College Football's SUPER LEAGUE? WHO gets in? ESPN's Cole Cubelic Explains
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- As College Football continues to change, ESPN's Cole Cubelic joins Andy Staples to discuss which teams would be included in College Football's super league. The SEC and Big Ten are IN, but what happens to the rest of college football?
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FUCK THAT. this is not college
Exactly because it's the D1 College Football Super League
YESSIR FUCK THAT INDEED!!!
Whine
WVU does very well in merchandising and licensing; better than some bigger programs.
Mountaineers have a rabid fanbase. Being in the Military and also living briefly in Virginia near the West Virginia border. Seeing the signage on cars etc.
Not including Media Rights payouts to teams....Rutgers earned MORE in 2023 than UCLA....of the 18 teams listed in the B1G (UCLA came in as the bottom, #18)...even USC earned about #11 out of 18! I don't even know if Washington and Oregon would be a top earner. But I wonder what the earnings are for WVU (less any media payouts)? I would imagine it wouldn't be too shabby.
Let’s Gooo Mountaineers!!
No major media market …
How about eliminating some of the SEC and Big 10 teams? Replace them with some of the teams you mentioned.
The B1G requires unanimous votes. Why would Indiana, Northwestern, Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. ever vote themselves out?
As a Northwestern alumnus we might leave if the players became too professional and not students. I can definitely see that happening.
The only other reason someone would leave would be cost where they wouldn't have hundreds of millions to invest in facilities and players. That is not a Northwestern problem, because besides Stanford we have the top Power 5 endowment.
Never happen
So true. That is the future. The 8 top bluebloods will realize they can make more money by dumping the Big Ten and SEC and breaking away to form their own Super League. Keeping the number down to 32 Super League teams is best for the 8 top bluebloods. It maximizes the annual TV payout.
@fecat93 I'd give Northwestern leaving the b10 on there own accord less than 0.000001% that would be like hitting the lottery and turning it down
Not going to happen. Too many legal ramifications. More likely big programs just leave the conferences to join the new league or the conferences as a whole merge together.
If the ACC implodes, ND will almost have to join the B1G to have a place for their olympic sports, so they should be included in your super-league concept.
Put the Texas tech on the thumbnail, and not talk about them 😑
😂 because they are irrelevant
The only reason I even clicked on the video
@dariusrucker7854 sorry my boy buy Tech is and will always be irrelevant in football
I am a Tech fan but until they win a conference championship they r irrelevant in relation to the big boys.
Only schools who believe in space get in
Another WVU fan here and I would also pay to watch my Mountaineers!
Paying with moonshine? Or an actual form of legal tender?
When college football finishes itself off, what a true disappointment. The network money grab has hurt nfl,nba,nascar etc. Too much BS. Network money needs to go back to soap operas and leave our sports alone, you don’t belong.
How has TV money hurt football? If it wasn't for the money TV provides professional football would have already died. No one would take the risks to their health for a normal pay check. For the millions TV provides that will set themselves and their families up forever, yes you will find many who will.
Funny thing it won't finish itself off
Money has a way of ruining everything.
You put Pitt in without WVU? WVU vs. VT, WVU vs. Pitt, WVU vs. Penn State all get great TV ratings.
Great discussion Andy. I am also looking forward to watching Avery Johnson at K-State!
The problem with allowing other teams to play on your field when you're not is the wear and tear, and the extra work for the grounds crew responsible for keeping it up. They use that week in between games to maintain the field for the next game.
It's all about money though. I've seen entire fields replaced between games. It's crazy, but possible.
Disenfranchising fan bases through corporate relegation and greed, is a not good for the game.
I hope this greed can be control, before it completely dilutes and transforms this great collegiate game into "NFL-lite".
You aren't wrong, but that ship has sailed.
It's too late. Consolidation of the most valuable schools was inevitable after the players where finally allowed to get paid because they are no longer legally allowed to be treated as a source of slave labor by the universities. The B1G and SEC want to maximize their revenue, so they can prepare to pay their players, while remaining at the top of the sport.
The greed wont be in control, but you can rest easy knowing that any super league would get sued into oblivion by all other FBS Division 1 teams that didnt make the super league and it would be arguably the most slam dunk anti-trust anti-competition case in US History.
@@roris5882 How would the B10 and SEC possibly legitimize their conference and super league if they contain teams like Vandy and Rutgers, but dont include other teams like Louisville and Oklahoma State?
Heck how would you possibly legitmize the league as being about competition and not include a program like Boise State that no P5 conference wants because of revenue despite the fact that over 100 years they are one of the most competitive programs in the history of the sport..... Thats the major problem with the super league. This league would get SLAUGHTERED by any anti-trust lawsuit.....
@@MattBuild4. Yeah, we all remember how the division 2 and 3 schools all filed suit on the division 1 schools. The FCS schools took all the FBS schools to the cleaners……not. There have always been divisions within the college athletic construct. This is just another break away from the top schools to create another division. Where’s the anti trust or anti competition? Those that don’t go to the new division will restructure their division 1 construct and we will all still be able to watch and pull for our schools regardless of which division they compete in.
I agree Clemson and FSU vs these other big brands puts the most eyes on the TV screen,
No PITT, UVA,
Yes to Texas Tech, WVU, Utah, ksu, Oklahoma st.
No large media markets.
Here is a better football program than all those schools you mentioned when K State loses her coach they will go back to being another Vanderbelt, BTW, someone else who should be left out Vanderbelt and a whole bunch of them from the big 10
@@dennisellington-gt8deYeah, this is exactly what was said about KSU when Klieman got hired. "oh they'll go back to being irrelevant."
Error, while Snyder was PHENOMENAL, his problem was depth. Klieman is building teams just as good as Snyder but has 3x more depth and won't lose just because our star safety gets injured.
KSU has been relevant in football for 40 years and will always continue being relevant. Cry about it.
a) PITT is a distant #2 in an already covered state (uber-flag PSU)
b) UVA is a rare upper right, original public ivy
c) The BIG8/SWC group has already put 6 in the consolidated Tier 1. KSU no chance. OKST low chance.
I can see that the networks are pushing for a Super Elite College Football league. The Big 10 and SEC will merge just as the NFL and AFL did.
Based on your comment that eyeballs is what matters. The highest viewership "Eyeballs" over the last 10 years not in the BIG/SEC are as follows. These rankings also exclude games against BIG/SEC teams and also Conference Championship or Bowl games.
1. FSU
2. Louisville
3. Clemson
4. Miami
5. Virginia Tech
6. Washing St.
7. Oklahoma St.
8. Utah
9. Virginia
10. Kansas St.
The 2 surprises in the list are Louisville at 2 and Virginia at 9.
Did you intend to leave off Notre Dame or just forget about them?
@@PhonyBalagna They were not included because at the time they were not being considered as an option. We know they would likely be 1 if the data was pulled.
@Urban-Primate where are you getting your information from? Why didn't you post any numbers? Which one of this games between the teams you list had better viewership that Michigan vs Ohio State?
@@tremoore61 No regular season game gets better ratings then The Game. I think he meant just the teams that aren't currently in the Super 2 Conferences as options to add. Also the viewership list he used is misleading because Oregon State and Washington State have inflated viewership numbers because they played many of their games on the Pac12 After Dark time slot when they weren't competing head to head against any other games. The Pac2 had to merge with the MWC for a reason.
@@roris5882 OK, thanks... I was confused.
There is gonna be a battle between the SEC Vs B10 for FSU, Clemson, North Carolina and Miami or Virginia.
Maybe. It's entirely possible that the SEC and B10 have decided to cooperate to the mutual benefit of both. Neither one of them can completely own college football without the other, and there's good reason to try to put a stop to the attrition that has (so far) benefited the two major conferences at everyone else's expense.
Virginia Tech is the better Football 🏈 brand of Virginia
@@jeremiahallen9908it isn’t about Football brands. It is about money and the players being employees of the university. VT doesn’t bring enough in through media rights to keep up. They will be relegated to a G5 like the Big 12 teams. NC state, WVU won’t be in either.
No battle at all. Since only AAU members are eligible for the Big 10, Clemson and FSU go to the SEC while Miami, Virginia, and North Carolina go to the Big 10.
@@michaelhart6318 AAU membership being a requirement is fake news. Do some research. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Do you fools leave out Dallas-Fort Worth teams, from football crazed Texas? Stop it, please!
So, here is my question.. SEC and B10 drop current members who are really not football schools? Rutgers? Vanderbilt?
My thoughts exactly.
You need teams in the Northeast. You cut fat by where you have duplicate.
Think Indiana, ND, Purdue, Indiana.
Mississippi can't have 2.
Kansas only one of these makes it.
Either that or Like he noted earlier in the live show, no one is getting kicked out of the SEC and B10. The question is who makes it from the ACC and Big12.
Northwestern and Rutgers would be on the chopping block.
Drop Indiana and purdue to pick up notre dame
Rutgers I don't know about, but Vanderbilt will be a member of the SEC as long as they want to be. They are an original member and academically they give the SEC a lot more clout than they would have otherwise.
If branding and growth matters, UCF is in the fastest growing region in the United States a 15th rank market, and it’s the largest school in the country in Florida
The only problem is literally nobody cares about UCF other than UCF fans.
Yes, but are UCF fans loyal is the question. If UCF stopped being a power, how many would switch to Florida, FSU, Miami. Keep in mind that UCF is a new team in the grand scheme of things.
Got to have WV ,Pitt,VT,Md,Penn. State, Ohio State they use to play each other.
That was a irrelevant division of powder puffs and WV Pitt VT and pennstate are hot 🍑
Big east could be represented very well in the sec. I’d love to see that
Yeah they was going to take WVU or Mizzou and they took Mizzou. And we went to the Big 12 to replace them.
How did you leave Notre Dame out of the Super League? That makes no sense.
They won't join they want to be independent. So they can independent their play right out of the national championship.
@@theoriginaldashriprock they’ll have a choice, either join a conference in the super league or stay down in division 1 as an independent with whatever restructuring that may entail.
@@jansonroberts2616 I don't think you understand. I don't know of any big 12 schools at the Big Ten Or SEC want. They can't just join a conference that doesn't want them. This super league, made up of the Elite 2, is going to do their own thing. Without the ACC and big 12.
In unrelated news, Venezuela is leading the charge to combine Miss Universe, Miss World and Miss International into a single Pageant - The Miss Everything. Miss Earth will be on the outside looking in. But most interesting, Venezuela is also positing some interesting changes as part of the inaugural Miss Everything pageant. I know it sounds crazy but there is already buy-in from Columbia, Argentina, Panama and Mexico (or "CAPM") as well. But let's get to the new rules. The Venezuela contestant immediately makes the Final 5 as does two worthy contestants from CAPM. Any finalist from Venezuela or CAPM get a do over, if necessary, in the talent competition. The mulligan performance is at their discretion. They also go last in the talent competition with Venezuela always getting the last talent slot. Every 10 years, one pageant will be held outside of Venezuela or the CAPM countries. Venezuela will host 7 out of 10 by edict. Bonus scoring will occur for any contestant with a first name ending in "ia", "isa", "ela" or "ra" because females with first names that end that way are automatically hotter. Ability to speak multiple languages are given a 2x multiplier and if one of those languages is Spanish it is increased to 3x. Among equally talented individuals a subjective "Melanin Meter Approach" will be used whereby extremes (very light or very dark skin) are thrown out as "clearly undesirable" and "brown to olive skin" is rewarded because that is automatically hotter. Scoring will be via 7 judges where the low score is thrown out and then averaged (so an average of 6 scores) and the judge composition will be 3 x Venezuela, 2 x CAPM and 2 x Other. Final results will be tallied without an ability to audit or see how individual judges voted and the Grand Tabulator (actual title) will be a Venezuelan former training coach and they will make a final determination based on judges scoring and "the eye test according to the Grand Tabulator." Payouts will be made in Bolivar.
As a Braves dude and former professional athlete, the crazy thing is I am on-board with the above. After all it is a pageant.
One final point, the above very logical, very reasonable rules are estimated to financially benefit Venezuela and the CAPM countries but that is okay because they have "the most passionate pageant fans" and reliably attract eye-balls to the invitational. So progress for all and everybody wins.
If we go 48 team super league, we should follow the model of English premier league, bottom 12 team relegated to junior league and top 12 from junior promoted to super league, would keep fans engaged across the board
Yet again, another college football discussion that completely forgets the mountain west exists and is too to bottom better than the MAC, AAC & Sunbelt conference…proves that if you don’t have a deal with ESPN, they’re not allowed to discuss or talk about them outside of the Big10.
64 Team Superleague of four 16 team conferences reorganized by geography, player revenue sharing percentage threshold as a requirement for membership and a 16 team playoff is the most likely outcome of all this realignment. The FBS and FCS will continue to exist as lower tier division 1 leagues. There will be plenty of schools in the 65-136 ranking that will be happy just competing for a conference championship or a bowl game and won't want to share a ton of revenue with the players. There might be or might not be relegation depending on how the league forms and whether it's associated with NCAA.
Very interesting video and I think it is obvious now that is where we are heading in CFB. I do think the ability to generate revenue from beer and soap ads is key to the teams moving because the networks want to recoup their investment. The only remaining national brands are FSU, Clemson, and Miami, after that, it is a shell game. I think we should be looking at who has what presence in local markets. Fox/CBS/NBC and ESPN are going to move teams that sell beer and soap ads in large, local markets, that is where the networks get the money to fund these huge contracts.
EDIT: I forgot ND as a national brand and I think NBC moves them into the B1G.
Swap Missouri for West Virginia with a bunch of money. It's worth it.
West Virginia was selected with Texas A&M back in 2012, but were replaced with Missouri over academics.
How many of the lower tier Big 10 & SEC teams stay, teams like Rutgers or Vandy? This sucks big time. This started with the collapse of the PAC 12
Well Penn State just had a Luke combs concert in beaver stadium and it had about 80,000 people there so you guys were right about using the stadiums for things year round!
Great show
But I think the move is 3 super conferences of 24 schools.
Each conference has 4 divisions of 6. Each conference plays a 10th conference game. That is a semi final, the rest of those divisions play cross over games. 2 seed vs 2 seed and so on.
The 4 division winners make the playoffs. Then you have 4 at large of wildcard teams. Make up a 16 team playoff.
64 p3 schools, the rest have another playoff and national champion. The money split is too great in modern college football
I think you go with the top 64 teams in the group of 5 teams + Notre Dame. This should kick out 5 teams likely out of the ACC and Pac 12 and maybe the big 12. Set it up into 16 team Divisions and have 4 champions. The champions each get a bye in the playoffs, top 3 of each division get a spot in for a 12 team playoff. If you want relegation to give other teams a chance to make it into the upper tier divisions you can work that out as well. Each team must play 8 divisional games, 2 cross-division (Possibly selected randomly) , and can schedule 2 games with teams not in the 64 teams.
So basically every team that’s in now needs to be in? Makes sense.
It’s not college football anymore. They are killing the golden goose
How does every team in the SEC and Big10 deserve to be in a super league??? Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, Mississippi State???
Once in it is much harder to kick out. Easier to add new. Oh well.
ACC and Big 12 should look to pair up just as the SEC and Big 10 have done.
I think they are not considering a lot of stuff. Like by shutting schools out. Can you manipulate a fan base. For example, if you only allow UF/FSU in to the super 2. Shut out Miami and UCF, can you drive fans towards those schools
UCF has a very big student body. That might be harder than you think.
That's the entire point of consolidating the 40 to 50 most valuable schools so they can have their own league and playoff system, maximize their revenue, and pay their players, because they will have all the best ones.
@@roris5882the only reason for any of this. Is revenue.
There are already three divisions in college football that fans of the individual schools can watch and enjoy at whatever division level their school competes. Adding another division won’t shut anyone out. We as fans will still be able to watch and enjoy our favorite schools in whatever division they participate in.
No, absolutely not, those people will just spend more time focused on the NFL
4 divisions-north, south, east, west; 24 teams each. Private equity picks their spots. Only the strong survive…what else is new?
It's sad to listen to them omit Arizona & Arizona State, but I understand that they on their own aren't draws as much as the other schools that they reference.
I just don’t see both left out. It’s asinine to completely ignore one of the largest cities in the country. Yes market size isn’t as large of a factor but it is still relevant
@@douggles06 agreed.
WVU has to be in.... #9 in Brand Value... Top 20 in SM engagement... 15th Winningest program... etc etc etc... Surprisingly WVU ranks much higher in many categories than many people realize who just use the population or size of the state. Being in the top 20-35 in many metrics used to identify value. WVU fans would absolutely pay whatever thats required to watch our team. Our fans are scattered across the country with large fan groups in PA, NJ, NC, FL, NY, VA, & Tenn...
WRONG!! WVU fans will watch...but NOT pay!! They won't pay for anything beyond Golden Corral!! LOL....No kidding!! Most WVU fans I know have NEVER been to WVU games or Morgantown, many DON'T know WHERE WVU is located, DON'T even know WHERE Morgantown is in the state!!! It just has a "W" and a "V" on their shirt or bumper sticker and that's ALL that matters to a West "BY GOD" Virginnian!!
Boise State is top 10 since 2000 for winning %.
@@Spitfirethedragon What has been their strength of schedule in those years? How many BCS wins? What is the Brand value ranked? Viewership, Streaming, Attendance, SM fan engagement...
Can just use winning % from a specific point in time or just a states population. It has to be a wholistic approach with a weighting on revenue potential.
@@brianmiller1977 Boise State have been breaking the attendance record going above 38,000 for some games. Boise State ratings on ESPN have been over 1 million, until the MWC commish sold their home game rights to CBS and Fox. Boise State's games on OTA on local channels on CBS and Fox have been over 1 million. Some close to 2 million. They have always schedule P5 teams almost every year because they are considered one of the stronger G5 schools. They have beaten Utah, Arizona, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, TCU, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida State, Virginia and Virginia State. They had close loses to Oklahoma State and Michigan State. They made more major bowls than most of the P2 schools. The commish wants to expand their stadium to 50,000 plus because they have oversold tickets for some games. Them and Boise State alone do have ratings better than a lot of the P4 schools that are OTA. Both could get over 40,000 in attendance easily in the big 12, and could easily get more than 2 million in ratings. Those two schools alone are the top brands in MWC right now that could go further. The problem with the Cal State system is that they have been always blocked by the Cal schools in the PAC 12 for them to even get into a Power conference. The issue is Boise is a fast growing town, and a fast growing state. Fresno is also a fast growing town as well. Those two areas alone is a factor in the future projection where audience will be. Iowa, Illinois, Ohio, New York, Mass, Penn and Louisiana are the states that are losing population. Boise is 75th largest metro, and 98th media market, and still climbing. 98th is Fayetteville where the SEC Arkansas plays, They will be easily get by Iowa's media market, LSU's media market, Illinois's media market, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, etc. They did passed South Bend's media market which is Notre Dame, Florida State's is 105th, Nebraska aka Lincoln is 106th, Penn State is 109th, etc. Other schools could be looked at from major cities. Stony Brook in the NYC media market which they don't care about anybody in New Jersey. That means they don't like Rutgers. Northern Illinois in the Chicago's tv market, Temple is in the number 4 tv market. SMU and North Texas is in the Dallas, Georgia State is in the Atlanta's, Rice is in Houston's, San Jose State is in the bay area media marker which is losing population, USF is 13th, Air Force with two media market overlaps them with Denver and Colorado Springs have more than Colorado State, Akron is up there, Navy is in the 28th media market, Utah State is 29th, San Diego State is 30th, UTSA is 31st, UConn is 34th, UNLV/Utah Tech is 40th, North Florida is 41st, C. Michigan is 42nd, ODU is 44th,UAB is 45th, Central Oklahoma is 46th, New Mexico is 49th, Tulane is 50th, Memphis is 52nd, Fresno State is 53rd, Buffalo is 54th, Richmond is 56th, West Florida/South Alabama is 58th, Central Arkansas is 60th, Tulsa is 62nd, Dayton is 64th, Hawaii is 66th, Missouri State is 75th, Toledo is 80th, North Alabama is 81st, Chattanooga is 84th, UTEP is 91st, Coastal Carolina is 100th, UNR is 102nd and North Dakota State is 113. MWC and AAC schools have a top brands that can beat a P5 school in the past like UNR, Air force, Colorado State, Hawaii, Boise State, Fresno State, San Jose State, Utah State, Wyoming, New Mexico and San Diego State when they are winning. Someone did a 10 year earning of all the candidates for the MWC and AAC for spots for the Big 12. BYU, Cincinnati and Boise State were the top 3 earnings for football with Fresno State at number 5, UCF at number 4 and Houston was down like 10th. Boise State was supposed to be number 4 instead of Houston to join the Big 12. Both Memphis and Boise State were promised that the next expansion they would be the next two on top of the list if they invest in their facilities, and they started doing that after that promised, and Big 12 took that back? The ad of Boise State used to be under the wings of the AD at Baylor. A lot of the Big 12 schools would love Boise State into the conference because of on the field and now on the court success, Boise's basketball coach was an assistant at Gonzaga which is why they have been making so many 20 plus win seasons. MWC this year alone have 7 teams with 20 plus wins, and clearly better than the PAC 12 right now.
Wvu has no brand .can't even compete in big 12
I dont mind this idea on the surface, but then you gotta look at the entirety and say for example is Vandy really one of the football programs you let in? Would Baylor or UVA just be like Vandy right now in the SEC and I am not sure they wouldn't. So why Vandy over one of them just because they are legacy SEC? Or another thought is do you relegate and just for example again (not trying to me mean to Vandy) Vandy is in there, but they have a bad year and bottom 5 are out next season and top 5 of lower tier get to move up and play with the top 30-40. Now what I think would be cool then is you let it be decided by the bowls. You want to have some real weight in the bowls then have 10 play in bowl games and see if you dont have some extra energy in the Carquest Bowl because it decides if Clemson is relegated or if the Pinstripe bowl decides if Texas Tech gets moved up.
The bloodbath Hunger Games of deciding who is in and who is out ABSOLUTELY screams for promotion/relegation, doesn’t it?
I am a huge SEC football fan, but please stop this super league and keep college football fun.
It's way too late for that.
Two Items
1. Leaving out Louisville is detrimental to both B1G and SEC. B1G wants to move further south and add more basketball brand (because the current B1G has no good basketball history if we’re being real). SEC wants to lockup the state of Kentucky and counter B1G southern expansion. Huge fanbase with some good history and an even better looking future.
2. To the teams who are right on the edge of the super conference and are left out, do they go independent and try to keep up or throw in the towel and get thrown down to essentially what will be division two football. We’re taking 65ish teams and drawing a smaller circle to 2 super conferences and then redefining everything else below as less than. The idea of a half split with Power 5 and Group of 5 is dead in the water and along with it, a bigger deal of college football. We live for these out of conference games just as much as our bigger conference games. App state going in and defeating Michigan or A&M was glorious and that goes away to a thing of the past. We’re gonna kill the rest of college football for the purposes of the top quarter of brands and teams and our integrity goes where money comes in.
If this system ever came about the promotion/relegation addition (that will never happen) would help solve in long run the problems for those initially left out.
@@chsmithins no school wants to ever be relegated who’s in the top league. They’ll just pay to play and it’ll stay that way. That’s why it’s happening now and we’re taking away chances for smaller teams.
@@jonathanwoods3136 Yep, that’s why promotion/relegation will never happen. But without it there will be many schools without EVER having a chance to ever get in. It’s a shame but this huge bloodbath of college football evolution will be messy.
Pitt, WV and Penn St playing each other again,
I live in Ohio (Ohio State) and am saving everybody the grief of this clickbait: that graphic is just for social media clicks.
Go NOLES 🔥🏈🏆
How long before a college calls the Saudi's?
I wouldn't call this an analysis, or even a projection of what could be real. Do you fill out your NCAA bracket based on mascots?
If SEC and B1G break off to form their own superconferernces, it would work if there were 32 teams in each conference for a total of 64 teams.
The problem everyone overlooks is... the money! Pick a conference, SEC, or B1G. How much are they paying these 32 team conference? $70M each? That's $2.24B annually, and if these extra teams could generate that kind of money through viewership, then their current tv deals would look much different.
They say college football is a multi-billion dollars industry so I would guess collegiate sports probably generate at least 5 billion dollars annually. With 64 teams, it is probable that basketball, baseball, volleyball, and others get thrown in with the deals.
@@SIMON_SAYS_SO well given the most recent numbers, the 2022 fiscal year... power five conferences combined for more than $3.3B in total revenue. That's 65 teams including ND. You'd be asking the B1G & SEC to take pay cuts. Why would they do that? The numbers are still the problem.
50 teams is the limit because anything past that is dilutive and the existing B1G and SEC members are never going to agree to lose money by sharing it with schools that can't pull their own weight financially.
@@tremoore61 WRONG! You HAVE to HAVE teams to pad the win column. There will ALWAYS BE losing/lower tiered programs. ALWAYS!! Professional College Football and Basketball will appear to be paid like the No Fun League but they won't be able to have a "draft"/auction block to select which high school dunce...I mean "scholar" will be allowed to play for which Corporate Media School team.
It's like the MAC (Big 10 Junior conference) gets paid to pad the win column for the Upper Midwest Conference....just like the D2 and D3 and Sunbelt gets paid by the SEC to pad their win column. Except. the SEC pays more teams to get more easy wins, so their win column looks better than everybody else's.
They should set up college football like European Soccer. With a premier league and lower leagues and teams move up and down between them as they improve or get worse. Then the games would consistently be much more competitive like soccer is in Europe. In the US the vast majority of college football games are one sided blow outs. At least with the salary cap the NFL keeps it a little more competitive.
Unfortunately, it’s NOT about localized fan bases. It’s about National Viewership. It’s all about the money!
Three 20 school leagues -- B1G, SEC and Big12 (4 divisions w/5 teams per division), ACC loses a bunch of schools but ND joins as a full timer and cobbles together 8 or 9 more from the following (Stanford, Cal, BC, Duke, Wake, Syracuse, SMU, Pitt, Louisville, Navy, Army)
Bigxii is now considered the new WAC😂
Nothing in the new Big 12 bring anything of value to a Super League. The reason teams like Texas and Oklahoma and USC and UCLA went to bigger leagues is to play in bigger games, bigger paydays. You can't water down a super league with Big 12 teams. LMAO that's laughable.
@@theoriginaldashriprock while I agree with most of what you’re saying, if the 2 go to a super league and 24 is the ultimate number of members they go to, they won’t all come from within the ACC. Most will, but a few will definitely have to come from the Big12 to reach 14 added members.
@@jansonroberts2616 where did you get this 14 new members from? I don't think the Big Ten Or SEC want that many more teams. They're not needed to make a super league. The Super League will consist of the Big Ten and SEC. There is literally no one in the Big 12 that would add any value.
@@theoriginaldashriprockdid you watch the video? Super league 24 members each? That would take 14 more teams total to get the B1G and SEC up to 24 each. Just watch the video
I think instead of 134 d-1 teams the Big10 and SEC will end up 32 teams each with an imbalanced revenue share. 4 pods of 8 each conference. Then a D-2 of two more 32 team conferences. So 64 d-1 and 64 d-2. Third one could be created and so on
It won't be 32.....I believe it will be 4...six team diviisions max.....24 in SEC....24 in Big10
Can’t speak on the B1G, but the SEC would stop at 24 and have equal payouts for every member imo. The even revenue model hasn’t ever worked.
They need to leave it the hell alone and concentrate on fixing this ridiculous nil bullshit. Nil is a huge problem.
SC says its fixed
big10-should-add...FSU,Utah,Kansas,-OklahomaState
SEC-takes-Virginia,Miami,Carolina,Kansas-State
Big12-adds..Clemson,Duke,Syracuse,Pittsburg,NCstate
Okie State isn’t AAU
@@dacokcneither is Nebraska anymore. AAU isn't a "must" to join the B1G, it just makes schools more appealing.
@@shaggydaboy2 at the time of joining Nebraska was AAU..
Why not make a totally different division for the none traditional football schools and set up a playoff for those teams?
Criteria: 1) Football ranking, 2) Academic ranking (sorry, Boise State), 3) All-sports ranking (BB still matters), 4) Football attendance, and 5) Broadcast viewership. Getting to 48 (two conferences): Notre Dame, Clemson, Stanford, Florida State, North Carolina, Oklahoma State, Miami, Iowa State, NC State, Arizona State, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Utah, and TCU. Everyone else is outside looking in.
HAHAHA!!1 West Virginia is a better football program than at least 10 out of the 14 schools you named!
FCS should play in the summer. August Should be the time for us to watch the FCS playoff. Cinderella August. Then the transfer portal can open.
I’m so happy Oregon is already in
A merge into FCS for the outside teams would be awesome. ❤
I could see Kansas and Utah getting invites to the BIG.
Any "Super League" that does not include TCU is not realistic.
TCU is a G5 equivalent.
What happens if it does become a two conf league, does these outlandish TV contracts they have now after a few years start to head south? Will we find out that the eyes of many aren’t just on these two confs but really they are for the love of college football and just tune out? Isn’t some of the intrigue of college football tuning in to those bowl games that pit teams against each other that you wouldn’t normally see every year or maybe just once in a blue moon? I think we are cutting off the head to save the foot here and greed is going to end up killing something that was special
Why would you leave teams in that shouldn't be there? Let the BIG go create a new league and kick out teams like Illinois, Purdue, Indiana, Rutgers, Maryland, etc. Those teams do not belong in a super conference. Same goes for Vanderbilt, Missouri, Kentucky (ok, maybe basketball).
This is so messed up.
These conferences are venturing into unknown territory. It could blow up on them.
The Big 12, from top to bottom, has relatively large, rabid fan bases. It would be hard to choose which schools to bring up. Obviously, as a K-State fan, I think we are deserving, but so are many others. Maybe it would be worthwhile for the networks to elevate the Big 12 to a P3 level. Not to mention the Big 12 is arguably the best hoops conference in the nation. Once the ACC loses its biggest brands, maybe some of the schools mentioned (NC State, VT, Pitt, Louisville) could join the Big 12.
How do the TV networks make the B1G a P3 Conference, pay them the same amount of money the B1G gets? That's the only way they will remain competitive by being able to pay their players to compete financially with the the Super 2 Conferences.
@@roris5882 The networks would have to increase the payout to the Big 12 in the next round of negotiations (around 2030-31). The Big 12 could also add another media partner which would mean more total money for the conference. Or maybe in 2031, someone like Amazon will be our main media partner (similar to the Big Ten and Fox or ESPN and the SEC). Those are obviously hypotheticals. Fortunately, the Big 12 is under strong leadership to carry us forward. The other shorter term possibility is that the Big Ten and SEC poach more Big 12 schools. For instance, right now the entire Mountain Time Zone would be left out of the P2, unless a couple four corners schools get poached. We'll see how things play out soon enough.
@@bryanjones8778 Why would the networks agree to lose money by overpaying for the Big12? College Football isn't a charity or a welfare program.
Hoops don’t matter in this case. Everyone has access to the bb tourney regardless of divisional play so that won’t matter. A few teams within the big12 will move up to either the B1G or SEC if they in fact do go to 24 member super conferences. 14 new additions won’t all come from the ACC. A few will have to be from the Big12 for the B1G and SEC to get to 24 members each.
@@jansonroberts2616 Plus college basketball only generates about 10% of the revenue that college football does. So the Big12 would still be operating at a huge deficiency behind the Super 2 Conferences. There isn't much the Big12 can do to compete on an even playing field because even if Yormark comes up with some genius ideas to increase revenue, nothing is stopping the B1G and SEC from copying their ideas.
But, what your guest is saying about the Big Ten and SEC takes for granted the fans who spend the money and put their eyes on the telecasts will always be there. It would be elitist, it would be boring, and the greed would be obvious. Average fans of the teams in those conferences are already priced out of the game day experience. Sure, with online ticket outlets, these average fans might treat themselves to a live game once a season, but even that for 2 average seats, parking, some drink or food at the stadium or near the stadium, even investing in tailgating, is like a $600+ day minimum. I think it’s a mistake for college football at that 2 conference level to take the fans for granted both financially and even in views on telecasts. If it gets boring, if it gets expensive, if the greed becomes so transparent, not just left out regions of the country will stop spending and following it, but even within the reach of those 2 Conferences. All they have to do is say, I’m not spending this much on that on my Saturdays, I’m not wasting hours of my time on Saturdays watching something that’s become NFL light on Saturdays, I’ll use my time differently. F those greedy b_______.
I don’t see ESPN or Fox leaving out the University Of Houston
Houston will be going back to G5/G7 status soon enough. Just a matter of time.
@ScottPilgrim1919 not hardly...Houston will not go away its too big.
@equalizer1946 quite the contrary compared to the P2 and even the rest of the big 12 Houston is a small school when it comes to branding. Houston having to accept downward relegation again shouldn't be new. Honestly they should have stayed in AAC
@@ScottPilgrim1919 watch and learn...
@ScottPilgrim1919 you must either be a longhorn or a TT fan....if you ate TT fan they don't usually act that way
Longhorn I understand, they are rude and petty because they are afraid of Houston, just like folks like you.
The Wall Street Journal has done a validation of football programs.
When this super league comes, it better be just that. Grand fathering in perinial doormats (Vanderbilt, Rutgers, Maryland, Kentucky, Mississippi St, Purdue, etc) isn't going to cut it. Inclusion just because you're a member isn't the right answer. They and many have just been riding Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State & Michigans success.
This all sounds like wishful thinking. The math doesn't support this. I'm sure that's why you brought up private equity, and they like a healthy return. So, I only see lower tier programs attempting that route... doing what SMU did so they can be involved.
No no no. 3 superconferences - the Big ten, SEC and Big 12. 24 teams in each. That’s 3x24 = 72 teams get to be in it. 16 team invitational playoff with 4 guaranteed spots for each and 4 at large of which more could go to the big 3 conferences, just not less than 4.
Lol, the B12 doesn't bring the value. Only 1 Kansas teams gets in... 1 more TX team, likely Tech, etc.
Not going to happen. B12 invites too many little brothers after Texas and OU left. They will stay on the outside
The talent and financial gap will only continue to grow larger. The Big12 has no big brands or football blue bloods and the B1G and SEC will soon have all of them.
That would be so much better for college football as a whole. Lots of fans want to see their team have a shot, which are not in the power to, and credibility increases dramatically when you have 72 teams playing for the championship game.
@@johnfaris5376 Why shouldn't the G-7s have their own league and playoff system with similar programs with similar interests instead of leaching off the big brands and being irrelevant? The fans would watch because their league would have competitive games, they just wouldn't earn as much money as the Super League. Nobody wants to watch blowouts.
West Virginia fan here! You mentioned our 2 million fans. I can tell you, without any uncertainty, that if WVU is NOT part of this so called "Super Conference," - WE ARE NOT WATCHING. In other words, you just lost more than 2 million viewers, if you leave us out.
And if any other rabid fanbases, from big time college football programs, get left out... you are losing their fans as viewers too. Say goodbye to the large television viewership numbers if you start eliminating major programs (like West Virginia, Kansas St, Oklahoma St, Virginia Tech...and so on). If we aren't part of it, we aren't watching! You would be alienating half of college football fans from watching your product.
Out of the ACC schools I’d want fsu, Clemson, UNC, NCSU, Miami, VT, & maybe Pitt/GT
Iowa State with 61k a game at Jack Trice would be in. Rabid fanbase. That's more than Oklahoma State, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor and West Virginia that you mentioned. It's the 2nd largest stadium in the Big12 only to BYU. Plus you'd get the CyHawk rivalry. Also solid hoops at Hilton Coliseum.
WVU has around 65,000 rabid fans! They are thinking of building more expensive seats so that could decrease their seating by a little.
Milan Puskars capacity is listed at 60k
@@Ace0000087 they could get 70 k in there, have before .
@@JAJones-jq1pn so could ISU.. but capacity is capacity...
@@donnagreene7766didn’t know that
The issue that all the sportscasters and podcasters don’t understand is they just enjoy watching “good matchups”… whichever one is on. If you are an alum, or regional fan who is a ride-or-die fan of a particular program… most of us are not going to watch a matchup just because someone else thinks it’s a “preferred” matchup. I don’t give a 💩 about watching Maction or a B1G matchup. I watch my team, and sometimes other games in my conference. And I think the people doing all the commentating, and making all the decisions are out of touch with fans like me. My team is rebuilding, but it doesn’t seem to matter or count. Why is VANDY on the inside, but Syracuse is orphaned?
CFB should be split up like English futbol. Have 3 levels of about 40 teams, each has a 12 team playoff. You finish the bottom of your level you get relegated you win the championship of a lower level you get upgraded. Any championship keeps you at your level for 5 year guarantee period. If you win in your 3rd of 5 years it resets to 5, you do not add to get 7.
Let me know when you want to hear how to make it work with 128 teams and no conferences.
Let's speculate since we don't have honest football news to cast . Supposition videoed .
CFB will mirror the NFL by 2030! 36 teams per conference, 6 divisions with 6 teams. 7 playoff teams per conference. That’s the future, book it!
For those thinking basketball has anything to do with this, let’s realize that basketball is different and everyone’s already got a pathway to the tournament no matter what division they play in.
Why would the other conferences allow the sec and big ten to still participate in the basketball tournament?
@@stevemoserifyThe conferences don’t have anything to do with who can participate in the tourney and they don’t have a say who can or can’t compete in the tourney. Everybody has a shot regardless of which division they compete in their regular season. It isn’t like football.
100. This is why it's ridiculous when dumbass people don't get this and keep saying K-State should be kicked out for KU. KU football has sucked for all but like four seasons out of the last 30+ years. This is about football. KU's basketball brand will always reign, but this has nothing to do with basketball. Same reason why Duke should not be in this league. Nor UConn.
First of all, I predict a College Football Super League will be born and created. And I wanna see all the legacy schools in the Super League. Alabama. Ohio State. Michigan. Notre Dame. And all the rest. But I also wanna see some underdogs and real fighters in the league, too. Boise State (That beautiful blue field during a playoff game? Sign me up!). Oklahoma State. Texas A&M. Let's make sure some of the true rough and tumble schools have a seat at the table.
What you forgot is that college sports clearly doesnt care about competition...... Given how many times Boise State has historically been shafted, I have zero confidence of them ever making a playoff. Yes that includes if they go undefeated next year.
Boise State has more undefeated season than they have major bowl appearances (a stat that should not even be possible). And you look at some of the seasons they have been snubbed - its not even close......
2010 Boise State ranked higher than 5 teams that made BCS bowl games over them. They ranked #2 in offense, #2 in defense and #1 in margin of victory per game. That team played 5 Top 25 teams and won 4 of them. Yet a unranked 8-5 team with zero top 25 wins was selected for the Fiesta Bowl over Boise State because they were "bigger brand program". This doesnt even do justice how ludicrous this snub truly was. Boise State averaged a higher margin of victory per game than Uconn scored points per game (36.7 vs 20.2).
I didn’t hear you guys say Houston Cougar
😂
Houston is irrelevant and not a power brand that brings in revenue. They'll be back to G5/G7 here soon!
@@ScottPilgrim1919 Funny cuz that program has played about twice as long in a Power conference than the G5.......
Amazing how you cross UT, and magically your program is downgraded despite being superior to 80% of the programs in the B12.
@MattBuild4 The big 12 has already been relegated down to mid-major anyway. They can be better than anyone in the big 12 which they are not but the fact remains they are still a G5-G7 team
@@ScottPilgrim1919 I wasnt even talking about the B12......
I was talking about UH's time in the SWC - a conference they played in 40 YEARS with Texas A&M, SMU, Baylor, UT, Arkansas, Texas Tech, TCU and Rice.
As far as a rabid fan base App state has a rabid fan base,it’s larger than nc state or UNC,not saying they should be in just saying that when they play a big time team people watch.
I could see OSU getting an invite to the SEC soon. They will love Bedlam games.
If so valuable, why is Bedlam not being continued? (Perhaps I'm mistaken?)
SEC commish already said wht its gonna be. Rivalrys, fan base. ESPN and FOX running this.
All this would be solved by a relegation/promotion model
I've only known one person that moved to Kansas, I feel like everyone has the right to live elsewhere. Am I wrong for that?
Exactly!
Could you get anyone less charismatic than Cole Cubelic to talk lmao
It will be one school in the midwest/west per their region. Kstate not in. Colorado, kansas, north carolina, virginia tech, virginia, oklahoma state, utah, byu, miami, possibly stanford or cal
IF there were teams added KU would be BigTen. and IF lucky KState to SEC…
A life long southern Packer fan. I stopped watching NFL because of knees, anti-American players & two national anthems. I fear CFB traveling the same path. All college teams should be able to compete for a NC.
Who says they don’t or won’t? There are currently 3 divisions in college football. Adding a fourth won’t shut out anyone from competing for a national championship. In fact, it may give a lot of schools a better opportunity once the split is concluded. We as fans, will continue to be able to watch our favorite school compete in whichever division that they end up competing in.
@@jansonroberts2616 I consider these next couple of seasons to be fun to watch new "out-of-conference" teams playing in-conference. It is a novelty of sorts, for now. But after that???? And with paying players...as employees...I just want to watch the CRY-BABIES when the TAX MAN comes for ALL their FREEBIES!! Including free tuition!! Then after that...I'll stick to watching D2 and D3 games and sports......the tickets are cheaper and the travel for localized schools is too. And they do have playoffs and championship games to experience in place of bowl games. Think of all the money I'll be saving in my retirement!!! (D1 PROFESSIONAL "college football" will NOT be getting any money or time from me to watch them.)
You' ve got to keep Indiana, Rutgers,.Vandy etc. for Ohio St.,Penn St. Geogia and Texas to pound on. 12 and 0, 11 and 1 is going to get more difficult to achieve.I believe the big boys will make Illinois, Arkansas and the like take smaller shares of the pie. In the future I believe everyone's cut will be based on what each team generates. We will be buying the games we want to watch individually or a season package for a particular team. That keeps the big dogs financial advantage during the mediocre spells that all teams go through. Alabama post Saban will likely drop some as they did after Stallings.
Exactly, the big boys need as many auto wins as they can get.
If you keep them in then any super league will get obliterated in the courts. They probably would anyways, but how in the world are you gonna legtimize any argument that you take Rutgers over Cincinatti in the B10?
The SEC will continue with equal revenue sharing.
Believe that BS if you like ,but there will come a day when the big boys need more just like governments.I remember when gambling would never be legal , then pot would never be legal.
There is leverage the fans could use with all of these changes:
1. Boycott the SEC and Big 10 along with their sponsors.
2. Have the US Congress consider using the media rights to respond to the student loan crisis which exceeds $1.5 trillion by simply taking over and micromanaging college athletics including football. After all, Congress already controls student loans, research grant funding, and research partnerships with national / military labs
I am willing to bet that neither the media rights nor the SEC / Big 10 want these things to happen. Yet, they will happen if fans become angry enough about the changes that are taking place to their teams and conferences. I am just sure that media companies or P2 Conferences can handle these options. So, the big question is...how many here want your taxes to keep going up to pay for the student loans of others? Now, consider the rising costs you are facing with the inflationary pressures on you and your family of gas prices, food prices, healthcare prices, etc. Think about what college athletics is doing with your team and conference while messing you over only because you are a fan of schools in an unfavored conference. Aren't we done with how the elites are messing with us yet?
Congress doesn’t care about me or you. The commissioners of all the conferences have gone to Congress for help and have been turned away.
@@jansonroberts2616 True, but thats more because they are asking congress to play police more than argue actual monetary impact.
But once you create a super league things change. Most importantly because currently 26 states are not included in the B10 and SEC. So if this were to happen all it takes is for a state government to appeal to congress how the college sports system has now led to reduction in government revenue, and now you have 26 state governments suing a league for tax fraud and corruption.
This is in fact what happened the last time the US Congress actually did get involved in a anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA and college football. But the league was able to sidestep the lawsuit at the last minute by calling an audible and creating the CFP (amazing how quickly football bureaucrats will move when you shove a $2.4 billion lawsuit down their throats and your about to pull the trigger).
This action is also whey football executives are extremely cagey about the idea to remove the G5 from the playoff, because these lawsuits brought because of consistent snubbing of the G5 from the BCS.
And it won't work. And as far as congress .they wound do anything
@@stevekelly9509 congress has to do something when you multiple state governments suing a corporation - if nothing else to be an arbitrage. But they would have to get involved in the matter, either to make a call against multiple states or be forced to when the states sue on federal grounds, which all major anti-trust laws are.
Also theres literally existing legal precedent of congress get involved in this issue, and you also have universities who were involved in those historical cases they would likely sue again thus puting the legal precedent in their case and it would legally required to get congressional opinion on historical facts that previous congress made.
If I was Greg Sankey, I’d add Florida State, NC State, Clemson, UNC, Virginia, and Miami.
If you add Unc you have to also add Nc State do some research
@@chanscott8968 a) NCSTATE was listed in the original comment. b) UNC/NCSTATE were and are not now hard packaged.
Read and do some research.
I understand why FSU needs to dip its toe into the private equity swamp because they possibly might not high 9 figures to buy their rights back from ESPN and get out of the ACC. But, why do Alabama, Ohio st., Georgia, or Michigan need private equity money? Is this simply because they think PE can 10x their revenue? What massive funding project do these schools need to finance that they couldn’t on their own through their donors that would justify giving away a portion of your program in perpetuity, or I guess some fixed duration of time?
Anti trust … you can’t cut teams without getting sued
Plus founding members have vote
What happens to the rest of the college sports programs?
They will continue in their respective divisions. We currently have three. divisions. Adding a fourth won’t end college sports. They’ll restructure depending on who is remaining and continue on.
I hope this doesn’t happen. There are a lot of great universities and teams outside of the B1G and SEC that, in my opinion, are better than a lot of the B1G and SEC universities. The B1G and SEC have had the luxury of higher payouts and attention for years and I see some of that changing with the new playoff structure. Unfortunately the B1G and SEC are racing to consolidate power before that can happen and will likely ruin college football as we know it and maybe college sports for everyone else.
Why? There have been divisions in college athletics for decades. Adding another division isn’t going to ruin college football. We will all still have the ability to watch our schools compete regardless of which division they compete in.
To the victors go the spoils. It is sad if you are on the losing side, but this is reality.
All of these teams chose their conference mates. FSU and ND, for example turned down invites in the past from the SEC and B1G respectively.
If college football is ultimately breaking away from the NCAA, why not try a promotion and relegation system? It would make the regular season much more intriguing and could be something to differentiate itself from the NFL