Josh allen has beat both number one seeds while the entire nfl community outside of Buffalo had them regressing. Its not all about stats. The bills have a higher seed than the ravens with less probowlers.
@@heribertogarza4335 please tell us all the significance of a pro bowler... do you know how many players had better stats than a lot of the players chosen and didn't get picked?
Since they both won their division and neither are the #1 seed, the deciding factors are Lamar's historic stats and the fact that he and the Ravens already DOGWALKED Allen and the Bills this year.
@blvd6969 you baltamore fans have a hard time understanding what mvp means. Baltamore has way more talent then the Buffalo. JA MVP Lamar got handouts last year.
Allen sat out 10 quarters of football this season. That’s what ur missing. As well as everyone else that just looks at stats. Throw in Allen’s average and he’s got more than Lamar.
@@MissFloofs he definitely did bro... Flowers is a 2nd year player... Amari. Cooper is a 10000 yard receiver... That's a wash easily between him and Zay... Cooper produce everywhere he go... People forget Bills was 3-2 before he got der...
@@jdag426 Not a wash at all. Cooper was traded midseason and had to learn the playbook. Flowers has been one of the best separators in the league this year.
@levelwithme8535 stop it bro go look at what cooper was doing bfo trade .. it's da same numbers... Cooper has done it longer... Look at the int saving catch versus patriots.... They didn't get to winning until cooper arrived... Do ur research
lmaooooo, do you dudes even watch the games??? lamar did not beat Allen 35-10, derrick henry did, he had 200 yards rushing and the bills couldn't stop him, Lamar threw for 150 yards my guy lol, Allen didn't have a good game, but he threw for 180 yards, you dudes will say anything lol, go watch the games, i'll tell you one thing, i hope the ravens get past the steelers so they can go up to buffalo, we all know what happen last time they went to buffalo in the playoffs, Allen sent lj and the ravens home, and it's gonna happen again
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl nobody said that... Bills ravens and chiefs been top team to go to super bowl all season... They've had bills as biggest threat all season to chiefs until now... Go back and look
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl this fool under you wrote Noone said that what is wrong with him THE WHOLE WORLD had bills out said either jets or Miami would be it this year people write shit without knowing shit very sad for them
@mr.nyceguy7800 i get what' youre saying, theres a Lot to consider both sides, remember it was the first year as a buccaneer, new roster and Rodgers had years playing with the same guys. If thats not valuable, then who knows. But if they take into consideration the seeding then Allen should be
They refuse to talk about the 9-30 game. the game josh had 0tds 2ints and still won. Josh played 6 above 500 teams (3-3) lamar played 12 (9-3) head to head 35-10 lamar .this isn't close what is the the media's motive for this nonsense. The finishing touches go look at the stats on the KC game with both players and tell me what you see.
That's because the black guys are waaay better. Even tho all those years the yt owned media (including people with mvp votes) tried there hardest campaigning for the yt guys. But the pressure from the (masses) including the eye test is why the black guys win. Lamar destroyed Allen when they played this year, compile that with a historical season by Lamar.. case closed #MV3 🐦⬛
@mr.nyceguy7800 They both had historic seasons. Henry also rushed for 200+ yards that game. It wasn't the Lamar show, but also irrelevant to my point. Lamar fans just love to be the victims it seems. In the seasons Lamar and Mahomes won, who was the national media angling for that wasn't those two? I'm a Bills fan and if Lamar won I wouldn't be upset about it. We'll hear it again next year I bet if it's another close MVP. "The league is racist, they dont want to give Lamar his 4th MVP!!"
@@Eyewillshinereactions Elaborate on that, I'm not sure what you mean? The bills defense should be getting more credit within the debate and why Allen has performed well?
I just want to understand your point: Are you saying that those four MVPs did not deserve their awards? Are you saying because 4 of six went to black players, a white player should be picked as a way of being fair? If so, fair to what? A color chart? A painting composition, some kind of racial scale? Just curious. I imagined whoever gets the award earned it. Maybe I'm wrong. Please clarify, thanks.
look at Dan getting emotional..if you don't give it to Josh it's cuz you don't want to? how about the most deserving should win.. he almost sound like Biden saying if you don't vote for him you ain't black..
@ lol. Ok. I live here. It’s been talked about all over the radio. It’s also all over Twitter. Go do some research. He just sat out the pats game yesterday. That’s 11.
I want Allen to win cause I'm a Bills fan and think he deserves it. Wouldn't be mad if they were co-winners. That's how good they've both been this season.
The only media members who wouldn’t vote Josh Allen MVP are the ones still mad that they got his draft evaluation horribly wrong and just can’t admit it.
@they both started in 2018. Including playoffs Allen has played in 12 mores games. Allen has 5,785 total yards and 80 more total TDs. Why would anyone chose Jackson over Allen. Lookup the numbers . They are not even close.
@ he’s 5700 total yards and 80 TDs better. The only ones who don’t know are those that don’t want to know. God forbid they admit their pre draft analysis was wrong.
@@IvyDLicious you keep bringing up numbers for what ? what hardware does allen have to prove he’s better than lamar if you actually know football then you know the afc north is a far tougher division than the nfc east so bragging about running up stats on less competition is saying nothing at all
@jamesstrom6991 historical equity and precedent plays a role. Whether the writers admit it or not. You could argue any narrative you want. It's nonsensical for Lamar to have 3 MVPs and Allen zero. That doesn't make sense at all, or match up with the numbers and status of the players
Shannon: Lamar had Henry, so they had to crowd the box. So a lot of times he's throwing against single coverage. That's exactly why Lamar wasn't the most valuable player.
Bills have a horrible defense. They might not have given up the most pts but they never get a quick stop. Teams usually drive it down the field every possession for 5-7 minutes (bend but don’t break philosophy)Would love to see Allen have the ball as often as Lamar and mahomes. Plus Allen has sat on many 4th quarters and the entire last game.
Lamar fans would be much louder if he didn't have an MVP by now. The complaints are warranted Josh has had multiple MVP worthy seasons. I respect Lamar's 1st MVP but last year no QB should've gotten it imo. Lamar is playing incredible this year, but Josh is basically the whole team.
@@XaneVidzdid you not read the comment dummy? Allen has 8 less quarters played cause of the bills blowing out teams. And Lamar beat better teams? Yes they beat the bills, over 3 months ago. A lot can change throughout a season. Lamar has lost to the raiders, browns, Steelers and eagles. Bills beat the lions and chiefs. So just say you don’t know what you’re talking about lol
Josh sat out 7 while Lamar sat out 4. A 3 quarter difference between the 2 guys. Lamar had the TOUGHEST schedule while Josh had the 20th toughest schedule.
Man Dan is truly wise I swear he sees the whole picture and he is not afraid of going against trends either. He pays attention more than the others. Like every year he goes against trends and is usually right
Lamar has won 2 mvps and last year was the most questionable one considering his stats lol. I’m black and really don’t understand how people can race bait when it comes to Lamar. The media literally loves that kid. We all were rooting for him last year. There was a point this year where They were literally trying to make him the first qb with 3 mvps and no Super Bowls lol. They’ve been trying to give it to him since last month!
@@RavensTheNextDynasty hope you read the whole comment instead of that one part lol. If Lamar wins it this year he’ll be the first qb with 3 or more before a single Super Bowl. I made that point because the original guy said they just want to make a “white” guy the lead but that’s completely false considering how hard they are also vouching for Lamar when he hasn’t fully proven himself yet in games that matter like the playoffs. The fact that he’s earned so many mvps and praise shows that these people obviously believe in him but his fans will act like if he doesn’t win it this year that it’s a “race” thing but idk how you can make that case when he’s won it twice before and still in the convo as a potential winner this year
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl you a clown, there is 0 questions now, you and other people continue to doubt lamar, even said he should play a different position, nothing saving the league now
Shannon himself said that because of Henry LJ was frequently throwing into single coverage. Surely this should be taken into account when debating LJ vs Josh
imagine if Lamar was doing the Allen and Hurts 'tush push' everytime they were within six yards instead of handing it to Henry? He'd have literally double digit rushing touchdowns too
imagine if Lamar was doing the Allen and Hurts 'tush push' everytime they were within six yards instead of handing it to Henry? He'd have literally double digit rushing touchdowns too
He sat out one quarter. Allen sat out almost 3 games total. Allen's numbers would be leading NFL if he didn't sit in the blow out games. But they don't talke about that
Allen is clearly the most valuable player for any franchise at any postion. Lamar is on an all-star team and can hand it to Henry anytime the game gets overwhelming. Lamar had great stats, but Allen did more with less. 1 pro bowl teammate vs 8.
That's a very specious argument, Joe. Consider that the reason why Henry is able to be effective is what happens when Jackson does not hand him the ball. In a way your point ends up supporting Jackson, because his presence on the field constantly creates opportunities for his teammates in ways that Allen's cannot. Allen may, as you say, do more with less, but Jackson IS more and GENERATES more, which, by the way, includes ratings. I'd be interested to know who is more watched. Surely that contribution should be factored into who is more valuable...to the whole sport. I'd give it to Allen to head off all the ...grievance that would occur as a backlash if Jackson got it again, and to encourage him and others to keep getting better. Just like some others got MVP when Jordan was in the league, Jackson is likely to be strong MVP candidate every year. It's not like he is not getting better and better each year. Outside of those considerations, I like Shannon's case for co-MVPs.
I remember last year, Allen couldn't get it cuz he had more turnovers than lamar.... dudes been sacked only 14 times. 14 times all season. 6 total turnovers. Sat 10 quarters of football on the sideline, and is like 300 yards behind Lamar and a few tds? Come on now.
When Tom Brady & Payton Manning & Aaron Rodgers & Drew Breeze and ALL these other 'Passing QB's & 'Pocket Qb's' were the standard ....Passing Yards/Td',s/Interceptions/ was the Standard. Now ... the 'White-Cam-Newton' ... Has a Sub-par team - (that Does Not go 15/1 with Unknown players) ... But... He. Should be MVP??? Over a QB the 'Experts' said was a Wide- Receiver playing QB?9
@@andrewcopestake7259 No. I am not. It is a fact. McDermott was Defensive Coordinator, Here in Carolina 5 years with Cam Newton. When he got the Head coach job in Buffalo he took nearly 40 percent of the roster. It was jokingly called Carolina North. And when he drafted a QB ....He drafted a QB in the mold of Cam Newton. Fact! 6'5 , 245 lbs -strong arm- physical runner. We saw it here in Carolina for years. It is not new because it is Allen doing it.
SAS, thats a weak excuse for expectations...every team's expectation is to win the chip!! No team goes into the season and says we will just ride out because we dont have this WR
The stats argument is 💯 correct. Google can tell you who has the best stats but it can also show you with video proof who is the most valuable player to their team and Josh Allen has been monster in contributing to the Bills season wins. There has been many years that stats haven’t been a factor in the voting. There are many different races who play in the nfl and I’m sure whoever does better and does more for their team will win the vote.
the ravens o line has been average. henry did so well because the danger of Lamar running takes a defender away. every rb that comes to Baltimore sees a jump in efficiency.
Also Allen is killing Lamar on EPA by over 10 points. But you know "yards" are all we care about. Lamar has more turnovers and negative plays than Josh.
notice how you put the + behind allen yards and not lamar and then you short lamar 100 yards in passing and rushing i get you people like allen but don’t be delusional like this 🤡
@@ryangalambos6089 see this how i know you don’t know ball what lamar jackson did this year allen has NEVER done no one has or ever will again lamar won’t do it again either you made my exact point for me josh allen stats are his normal stats with a few less turnovers the only thing different is the silly “narrative” that the bills were some how going to be bad this year and josh allen is carrying a bunch of high schoolers to the playoffs so he should win MVP i mean that’s the point we have gotten to 😂 absolutely laughable
@wealthyfuture999 but wait. Isn't that how Lamar got it last year with tyrod stats? Because his team was so weak and they had such a good record? Moving the goal posts much!? I know this jr, Josh leads Lamar all time in yards, tds and WINS 😤 he can have that silly lil stat record this year, no one cares but b more fans. If you know so much you probably know Josh has way fewer negative plays and turnover than lamar this season, won't see those fumbles on these glazers graphics though. Or how if he throws 30+ times they're 2-5 this year and Josh is 6-1 in that case. How about the fact that it took Lamar SEVEN season to pass for over 4000 yards and Josh did in 3 and has done it 3 more times now. Any argument you make about the worse team narrative devalues Lamars MVP last year, please keep playing yourself though. This is entertaining. 😆 🤣
Josh allen couldn’t even throw for 200 yards against the ravens defense when they had Eddie Jackson and Marcus Williams at safety lmao get out of here. Bro plays 6 pat stating games a year. His division is dog shit
Allen 2-3 vs playoff teams Lamar 7-3 vs playoff teams. Plus 4100 pass yards, 900 rush yds 41 TDs 4 int 4th hoghrst QB rating of all time. Bet Lamar at +185 for easy money. Lamar beat great teams. Allen ran up stats against bad teams and has a losing record agaijst great teams
Dan made his point to start and I was cool with that but then you want to magnify by saying he hasn’t won it before because people didn’t want him to win or say people made too much issues of his turnovers (when he stated Lamar had more turnovers than Josh to justify voting for him) is insane. Sounds like a dude trying way to hard to prove something that he thinks is so obvious🤷🏾♂️
Dan just said you can't use stats 😭 BUT SOMEHOW HE WENT ON TO USE STATS FOR JOSH ALLEN 😭 plus james cook has the same amount of touchdown as Derek Henry
U can’t give a person MVP JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT LESS TALENT BECAUSE Y COULDNT HE DO MORE WITH STEFFON AND GABE DAVIS…. Lamar JACKSON IS PLAYING OUT OF HIS MIND AND HE FAILED TO MENTION THAT LAMAR BEAT JOSH HEAD TO HEAD 31 to 10 does that not count….
Lol lamar was throwing the ball horribly Saturday yet every bad pass was called the best ever, shits a ioke and fyi shannon literally debunked himself with his reasoning 🤦♂️
lmaoooooo, your missing alot my guy, Allen has blown so many teams out that he sits through 4th quarters, your missing that he's playing with cab drivers, players that wouldn't start on any other good to great team, Allen doesn't have a guy who can rush for almost 2000 yards, your missing that he's beat the best team in the nfc and the afc, your missing he has 1 pro bowler and the ravens have 9, your missing that Allen has more wins and he didn't lose to the raiders and browns, oh and 4000 passing yards and 900 rushing yards are impressive, did you know that Allen has thrown for over 4300 passing yards and ran for 750 yards two years straight while sitting out some 4th quarters? and they said that was a down year for him, so when your bar is low like Lj bar has been, when he does that people seem to make a big deal about it, but Lj is a good regular season player, he's just not Josh Allen, and i wanna see what he does in the playoffs, remember Allen sent him home in the playoffs a couple of years back, oh and Lj has more turnovers than Allen this year
Josh allen has beat both number one seeds while the entire nfl community outside of Buffalo had them regressing. Its not all about stats. The bills have a higher seed than the ravens with less probowlers.
Ravens beat buffalo.
Josh didn’t finish a few games also because of blow outs
@ same with Lamar
ooh, pro bowlers!! justin tucker is a pro bowler with a 70% make rate. pro bowl is almost meaningless
@@heribertogarza4335 please tell us all the significance of a pro bowler... do you know how many players had better stats than a lot of the players chosen and didn't get picked?
Ravens didnt even have a defense and lost four defensive coaches this season. People say he didnt carry, he carried the whole defensive phase.
Since they both won their division and neither are the #1 seed, the deciding factors are Lamar's historic stats and the fact that he and the Ravens already DOGWALKED Allen and the Bills this year.
Look at the bills team week 4.
Mack Hollins was the #1wr. Short week. Away prime te game.
Who did Baltamore loose to?
@pinopino7969 they beat the crap out the bills. Conversation ends there.
@blvd6969 you baltamore fans have a hard time understanding what mvp means.
Baltamore has way more talent then the Buffalo.
JA MVP
Lamar got handouts last year.
@@blvd6969how does a team beating another team in week 4 correlate with an individual players value? Delusion asl. Yall ain’t the 2 seed for a reason
4000 pass yards and 900 rushing yards is insane. Not to mention he has more touchdowns and less turnovers. What am I missing here?
Allen sat out 10 quarters of football this season. That’s what ur missing. As well as everyone else that just looks at stats. Throw in Allen’s average and he’s got more than Lamar.
@ maybe he shouldn’t sit out and expect to win mvp
Lamar sat out quarters too. @therealbeedubbs35
Lamar played every game all 4 quarters allen pulled out of many games if he was never taken out his numbers might be better
@JuanRivera-lb3yn that's not true. Lamar sat out a fourth quarter or two as well.
Dan says we shouldn’t use stats and then proceeds to use stats to prop up Josh Allen’s case.
Every stat outside passer rating, division and competition
Allen had better stats than Lamar last year though, and Lamar won
@@AlbertSantino nah he really didn’t he has a lot of yards
Prop up??? Hoe please…Josh needs no proping
He's saying we shouldn't just look at the main stats i.e yards TDs and INTs
“He got Zay Flowers to the Pro Bowl” is a wild statement.
@@MissFloofs he definitely did seeing as tho zay is 19th in the league in receiving yards and has 4 tds 😒😒 he’s such a dominant receiver huh 🤣🤣🤣
@@MissFloofs he definitely did bro... Flowers is a 2nd year player... Amari. Cooper is a 10000 yard receiver... That's a wash easily between him and Zay... Cooper produce everywhere he go... People forget Bills was 3-2 before he got der...
@@jdag426 Not a wash at all. Cooper was traded midseason and had to learn the playbook. Flowers has been one of the best separators in the league this year.
@levelwithme8535 stop it bro go look at what cooper was doing bfo trade .. it's da same numbers... Cooper has done it longer... Look at the int saving catch versus patriots.... They didn't get to winning until cooper arrived... Do ur research
Why are they not mentioning the head to head when Lamar beat Allen 35-10 and Allen got benched in the 4th
Or y they don’t mention how Josh owns Lamar in playoffs n Lamar one of the worst playoff qbs in nfl history 😂
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lmaooooo, do you dudes even watch the games??? lamar did not beat Allen 35-10, derrick henry did, he had 200 yards rushing and the bills couldn't stop him, Lamar threw for 150 yards my guy lol, Allen didn't have a good game, but he threw for 180 yards, you dudes will say anything lol, go watch the games, i'll tell you one thing, i hope the ravens get past the steelers so they can go up to buffalo, we all know what happen last time they went to buffalo in the playoffs, Allen sent lj and the ravens home, and it's gonna happen again
Weird way to spell Derrick Henry.
Everybody in the media said the jets or Miami would win that division… that’s almost unforgivable 😂
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl nobody said that... Bills ravens and chiefs been top team to go to super bowl all season... They've had bills as biggest threat all season to chiefs until now... Go back and look
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl this fool under you wrote Noone said that what is wrong with him THE WHOLE WORLD had bills out said either jets or Miami would be it this year people write shit without knowing shit very sad for them
lamar has the same
“no one has ever done this” stats
Brady had 4500 yards and 43 tds and still they gave it to Rodgers, i'm with Allen
Did Brady have 900 rushing yards to go along with that? Did Brady smash Rodgers 35-10 that same season? I'm going with the black guy #MV3 🐦⬛
@mr.nyceguy7800 i get what' youre saying, theres a Lot to consider both sides, remember it was the first year as a buccaneer, new roster and Rodgers had years playing with the same guys. If thats not valuable, then who knows. But if they take into consideration the seeding then Allen should be
@@AlejandroDelgadillo-zv8yjBrady’s team was a wild card. You need to win your division!!!
@RavensTheNextDynasty exactly My point, thats the reason he wasnt mvp.
@@AlejandroDelgadillo-zv8yj that doesn’t make any sense because Lamar isn’t a wild card so the comparison is pointless 🤦♂️🤦♂️
LJ look at schedules too Dan O
The media wants Josh to win it 😂 it’s obvious
He should win
They refuse to talk about the 9-30 game. the game josh had 0tds 2ints and still won. Josh played 6 above 500 teams (3-3) lamar played 12 (9-3) head to head 35-10 lamar .this isn't close what is the the media's motive for this nonsense. The finishing touches go look at the stats on the KC game with both players and tell me what you see.
Lamar did shit when they played the bills. Get over. Josh Allen is king
The race baiting is wild. Last 4 of 6 MVPs are black guys. Acting like race is contributing to this debate is nuts.
That's because the black guys are waaay better. Even tho all those years the yt owned media (including people with mvp votes) tried there hardest campaigning for the yt guys. But the pressure from the (masses) including the eye test is why the black guys win. Lamar destroyed Allen when they played this year, compile that with a historical season by Lamar.. case closed #MV3 🐦⬛
It’s the fact that the Bills defense is not getting credit.
@mr.nyceguy7800 They both had historic seasons. Henry also rushed for 200+ yards that game. It wasn't the Lamar show, but also irrelevant to my point.
Lamar fans just love to be the victims it seems. In the seasons Lamar and Mahomes won, who was the national media angling for that wasn't those two?
I'm a Bills fan and if Lamar won I wouldn't be upset about it. We'll hear it again next year I bet if it's another close MVP. "The league is racist, they dont want to give Lamar his 4th MVP!!"
@@Eyewillshinereactions Elaborate on that, I'm not sure what you mean? The bills defense should be getting more credit within the debate and why Allen has performed well?
I just want to understand your point: Are you saying that those four MVPs did not deserve their awards? Are you saying because 4 of six went to black players, a white player should be picked as a way of being fair? If so, fair to what? A color chart? A painting composition, some kind of racial scale? Just curious. I imagined whoever gets the award earned it. Maybe I'm wrong. Please clarify, thanks.
look at Dan getting emotional..if you don't give it to Josh it's cuz you don't want to? how about the most deserving should win.. he almost sound like Biden saying if you don't vote for him you ain't black..
Josh Allen sat out 11 quarters of football. Almost 3 games worth. Bc he killed teams. The stats would be almost identical if that didn’t happen.
Josh sat out 7 quarters while Lamar sat out 4
@ he sat out 11. Not 7.
@@BuffaloBarber24 No.
@ lol. Ok. I live here. It’s been talked about all over the radio. It’s also all over Twitter. Go do some research. He just sat out the pats game yesterday. That’s 11.
Josh sat out when the ravens were up by 25 too lol
WhT people want Allen to win Blck people want Lamar .Its sad to say because both are having all time great seasons.I love both players
I want Allen to win cause I'm a Bills fan and think he deserves it. Wouldn't be mad if they were co-winners. That's how good they've both been this season.
Wrong wrong wrong...LEMAR is the MVP!
Ring tailed Lemar lol
Lamar jackson is mvp when they both are on the field. lamar is going to make more eye-popping plays than lamar.
The only media members who wouldn’t vote Josh Allen MVP are the ones still mad that they got his draft evaluation horribly wrong and just can’t admit it.
Nobody would pick josh over lamar jackson stop
@they both started in 2018. Including playoffs Allen has played in 12 mores games. Allen has 5,785 total yards and 80 more total TDs. Why would anyone chose Jackson over Allen. Lookup the numbers . They are not even close.
everyone who actually knows football knows allen is NOT better than lamar,
not this season or ever
only you “fans”
@ he’s 5700 total yards and 80 TDs better. The only ones who don’t know are those that don’t want to know. God forbid they admit their pre draft analysis was wrong.
@@IvyDLicious you keep bringing up numbers for what ?
what hardware does allen have to prove he’s better than lamar
if you actually know football then you know the afc north is a far tougher division than the nfc east so bragging about running up stats on less competition is saying nothing at all
Lamars Best year ever (this year) would rank as Josh Allens 5th best year over the past 6 years statistically
Literally not true 😂
He ran for around 1000
There's no realm or universe in this era where Lamar has 3 MVPs and Allen has zero. Thats completely absurd and silly
every season stands on it’s own.
@jamesstrom6991 historical equity and precedent plays a role. Whether the writers admit it or not. You could argue any narrative you want. It's nonsensical for Lamar to have 3 MVPs and Allen zero. That doesn't make sense at all, or match up with the numbers and status of the players
Mahomes has 3 championships and the rest of his peers have none. It is what it is
Shannon: Lamar had Henry, so they had to crowd the box. So a lot of times he's throwing against single coverage.
That's exactly why Lamar wasn't the most valuable player.
But Allen RB is the leader in touchdowns this season so how does that make him the mvp?
Agree
Bills have a horrible defense. They might not have given up the most pts but they never get a quick stop. Teams usually drive it down the field every possession for 5-7 minutes (bend but don’t break philosophy)Would love to see Allen have the ball as often as Lamar and mahomes. Plus Allen has sat on many 4th quarters and the entire last game.
Give it to Allen so they can’t complain anymore
Lamar bitch boys throwing the tantrums lmfao
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I was thinking the same thing. It’s mayonnaise day.
@@lovepeacenappiness1😂😂😂
Lamar fans would be much louder if he didn't have an MVP by now. The complaints are warranted Josh has had multiple MVP worthy seasons.
I respect Lamar's 1st MVP but last year no QB should've gotten it imo. Lamar is playing incredible this year, but Josh is basically the whole team.
This is all Lamar fans do is complain. Because without the fake MVP he's just kordell Stewart
Dan Orlovsky blew me away. Josh Allen was already my MVP pick but not even i knew all that extra information. Josh is ridiculous.
look up the info,, fact check.. he spreading lies/ misinformation
@@mrlilrip10no he’s not, the only thing he was slightly off about was James just barely eclipsed 1000 yards. Everything else is 100% correct.
He literally said to be subjective and proceeded to use “negative” stats…. 😂 what blew me away was the hypocrisy
I don’t think either one of them really care about regular season mvp tbh them boys trying to get a chip 💯
People don’t talk about how JA sat out about 8 quarters either. He has his stats with 2 less games played basically
Yall wanna talk stats only when its convenient… Lamar has had way better stats and beat better team, he also has a tougher division
😂😂 because he plays in a garbage division
@@XaneVidzdid you not read the comment dummy? Allen has 8 less quarters played cause of the bills blowing out teams. And Lamar beat better teams? Yes they beat the bills, over 3 months ago. A lot can change throughout a season. Lamar has lost to the raiders, browns, Steelers and eagles. Bills beat the lions and chiefs. So just say you don’t know what you’re talking about lol
@ imagine lamar in a division with the pats jets and miami 🤣 and then bills with cinci browns and steelers
Josh sat out 7 while Lamar sat out 4. A 3 quarter difference between the 2 guys. Lamar had the TOUGHEST schedule while Josh had the 20th toughest schedule.
Man Dan is truly wise I swear he sees the whole picture and he is not afraid of going against trends either. He pays attention more than the others. Like every year he goes against trends and is usually right
Allen had a losing record against olayoff teams and lost to the Real.MVP head to head. Lamar will win unless its voters fatigue
Josh Allen mvp
Racist
Tell em Dan!
Dan cooked this segment 👨🍳 👨🍳
Not putting total turnovers up there now that Allen has less. But last year?!? 🤔
Lamar the mvp. They want a white qb to lead so bad smh Foh
Lamar has won 2 mvps and last year was the most questionable one considering his stats lol. I’m black and really don’t understand how people can race bait when it comes to Lamar. The media literally loves that kid. We all were rooting for him last year. There was a point this year where They were literally trying to make him the first qb with 3 mvps and no Super Bowls lol. They’ve been trying to give it to him since last month!
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dlwhat do superbowls have to do with mvp?
@@RavensTheNextDynasty hope you read the whole comment instead of that one part lol. If Lamar wins it this year he’ll be the first qb with 3 or more before a single Super Bowl. I made that point because the original guy said they just want to make a “white” guy the lead but that’s completely false considering how hard they are also vouching for Lamar when he hasn’t fully proven himself yet in games that matter like the playoffs. The fact that he’s earned so many mvps and praise shows that these people obviously believe in him but his fans will act like if he doesn’t win it this year that it’s a “race” thing but idk how you can make that case when he’s won it twice before and still in the convo as a potential winner this year
@@TiandraGriffin-lu8dl
you a clown,
there is 0 questions now,
you and other people continue to doubt lamar, even said he should play a different position,
nothing saving the league now
There’s no way you think it’s a race thing after Lamar’s MVP last year. CMC would have gotten it if that was the case.
Lamar passed for 4k, rushed for 900. Has a 1900 yd rb, and 1000 yd wr...how tf is this a topic
Before people chirp, Dan put it beautifully. It’s Josh Allen!
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😂was yall talking lesser roster when Lamar had the most hurt team at the #1 seed? Did yall say that Lamar’s entire career without a #1 receiver???
@@dominicmiller9544 it’s over brotha…next year is a new year
Nothing beautiful about what dan says
Facts and I’m a Lamar Jackson fan🤷🏾♂️
Shannon himself said that because of Henry LJ was frequently throwing into single coverage. Surely this should be taken into account when debating LJ vs Josh
imagine if Lamar was doing the Allen and Hurts 'tush push' everytime they were within six yards instead of handing it to Henry? He'd have literally double digit rushing touchdowns too
imagine if Lamar was doing the Allen and Hurts 'tush push' everytime they were within six yards instead of handing it to Henry? He'd have literally double digit rushing touchdowns too
also #1 stat everyone should b looking at “josh accounts for 80 percent of buffalo’s offense lamar accounts for 60 percent” let that sink in
I love Josh Allen but you can’t over look Lamar stats but they both got something to prove in the playoffs
If Josh Allen win he's the greatest if he loses he didn't have the help we can already hear the segments on first take😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Did Steven a smith just say asshole on national 📺 or am I tripping 😂
Im shocked that BET is in favor of lamar
He sat out one quarter. Allen sat out almost 3 games total. Allen's numbers would be leading NFL if he didn't sit in the blow out games. But they don't talke about that
41 - 4 yeah he won it
43/4 idk
Even if I thought Lamar should get MVP (I don't) Dan Orlovsky would have changed my mind with this outlook. #GoBills 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽
Allen is clearly the most valuable player for any franchise at any postion. Lamar is on an all-star team and can hand it to Henry anytime the game gets overwhelming. Lamar had great stats, but Allen did more with less. 1 pro bowl teammate vs 8.
“ all star team” lol
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He can hand it to Henry but his passing stats are better then his other mvp years and Josh Allen’s
That's a very specious argument, Joe. Consider that the reason why Henry is able to be effective is what happens when Jackson does not hand him the ball. In a way your point ends up supporting Jackson, because his presence on the field constantly creates opportunities for his teammates in ways that Allen's cannot. Allen may, as you say, do more with less, but Jackson IS more and GENERATES more, which, by the way, includes ratings. I'd be interested to know who is more watched. Surely that contribution should be factored into who is more valuable...to the whole sport. I'd give it to Allen to head off all the ...grievance that would occur as a backlash if Jackson got it again, and to encourage him and others to keep getting better. Just like some others got MVP when Jordan was in the league, Jackson is likely to be strong MVP candidate every year. It's not like he is not getting better and better each year. Outside of those considerations, I like Shannon's case for co-MVPs.
It’s Burrow. But Allen should be MVP over Jackson.
I remember last year, Allen couldn't get it cuz he had more turnovers than lamar.... dudes been sacked only 14 times. 14 times all season. 6 total turnovers. Sat 10 quarters of football on the sideline, and is like 300 yards behind Lamar and a few tds? Come on now.
Lamar for MVP he played exceptionally well
As a dolphin fan I despise the bills but the bills skill group is bottom 5 in the league and that o line is at best avg
Did anyone look at the Bills schedule and who they played against and why Dan focused on them beating lions and Chiefs
When Tom Brady & Payton Manning & Aaron Rodgers & Drew Breeze and ALL these other 'Passing QB's & 'Pocket Qb's' were the standard ....Passing Yards/Td',s/Interceptions/ was the Standard. Now ... the 'White-Cam-Newton' ... Has a Sub-par team - (that Does Not go 15/1 with Unknown players) ... But... He. Should be MVP??? Over a QB the 'Experts' said was a Wide- Receiver playing QB?9
U are racist bro
@@andrewcopestake7259 No. I am not. It is a fact. McDermott was Defensive Coordinator, Here in Carolina 5 years with Cam Newton. When he got the Head coach job in Buffalo he took nearly 40 percent of the roster. It was jokingly called Carolina North. And when he drafted a QB ....He drafted a QB in the mold of Cam Newton. Fact! 6'5 , 245 lbs -strong arm- physical runner. We saw it here in Carolina for years. It is not new because it is Allen doing it.
Josh beat 2 playoff teams and loss to 3 playoff teams
SAS, thats a weak excuse for expectations...every team's expectation is to win the chip!! No team goes into the season and says we will just ride out because we dont have this WR
The stats argument is 💯 correct. Google can tell you who has the best stats but it can also show you with video proof who is the most valuable player to their team and Josh Allen has been monster in contributing to the Bills season wins. There has been many years that stats haven’t been a factor in the voting. There are many different races who play in the nfl and I’m sure whoever does better and does more for their team will win the vote.
It’s Josh Allen man
Lamar Jackson the only right answer
the ravens o line has been average. henry did so well because the danger of Lamar running takes a defender away. every rb that comes to Baltimore sees a jump in efficiency.
What happened when Lamar and Josh went head to head ? yeah okay !
Look at the schedule comparison. If Buffalo had that schedule they wouldn't make the playoffs let alone josh Allen be in mvp talk.
Stephen A cooked his own argument the same James cook is the leader in touchdowns for RBs this season Allen got help to
stephen A realizes how much everyone doubted the bills in the off season
Show the stats cover the player and choose….I guarantee you’ll choose Lamar’s not knowing it’s him
Show stats, competition and division.
Why u run out of bounds like that ? Lmfao. 🤣🤣
Is no one gonna bring up the Raven’s tougher schedule ??
Who cares about 4000 and 800? Allen had 4200+ and 700+ TWICE so far already.
Also Allen is killing Lamar on EPA by over 10 points. But you know "yards" are all we care about. Lamar has more turnovers and negative plays than Josh.
notice how you put the + behind allen yards and not lamar and then you short lamar 100 yards in passing and rushing
i get you people like allen but don’t be delusional like this 🤡
@wealthyfuture999 lol ok. Whatever helps you sleep. Point is thats light work for josh but for Lamar it's "better than his mvp years" foh 😆 🤣
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see this how i know you don’t know ball
what lamar jackson did this year
allen has NEVER done
no one has or ever will again
lamar won’t do it again either
you made my exact point for me
josh allen stats are his normal stats with a few less turnovers
the only thing different is the silly “narrative” that the bills were some how going to be bad this year
and josh allen is carrying a bunch of high schoolers to the playoffs so he should win MVP
i mean that’s the point we have gotten to 😂 absolutely laughable
@wealthyfuture999 but wait. Isn't that how Lamar got it last year with tyrod stats? Because his team was so weak and they had such a good record? Moving the goal posts much!? I know this jr, Josh leads Lamar all time in yards, tds and WINS 😤 he can have that silly lil stat record this year, no one cares but b more fans. If you know so much you probably know Josh has way fewer negative plays and turnover than lamar this season, won't see those fumbles on these glazers graphics though. Or how if he throws 30+ times they're 2-5 this year and Josh is 6-1 in that case. How about the fact that it took Lamar SEVEN season to pass for over 4000 yards and Josh did in 3 and has done it 3 more times now. Any argument you make about the worse team narrative devalues Lamars MVP last year, please keep playing yourself though. This is entertaining. 😆 🤣
Dan cooked.
If you vote for lamar you dont like josh allen...thats an insane statement by dan
Allen had 51 tds last year.
Josh allen couldn’t even throw for 200 yards against the ravens defense when they had Eddie Jackson and Marcus Williams at safety lmao get out of here. Bro plays 6 pat stating games a year. His division is dog shit
Lamar didn't deserve it's last year not even close
LJ mvp
Allen 2-3 vs playoff teams
Lamar 7-3 vs playoff teams. Plus 4100 pass yards, 900 rush yds 41 TDs 4 int 4th hoghrst QB rating of all time.
Bet Lamar at +185 for easy money. Lamar beat great teams. Allen ran up stats against bad teams and has a losing record agaijst great teams
Dan made his point to start and I was cool with that but then you want to magnify by saying he hasn’t won it before because people didn’t want him to win or say people made too much issues of his turnovers (when he stated Lamar had more turnovers than Josh to justify voting for him) is insane. Sounds like a dude trying way to hard to prove something that he thinks is so obvious🤷🏾♂️
Lamar is the MVP
Lamar throws 30 times this season hes 2-5. Josh throws 30 times hes 6-1.
It tells you their defense was great this year.
Dan just said you can't use stats 😭 BUT SOMEHOW HE WENT ON TO USE STATS FOR JOSH ALLEN 😭 plus james cook has the same amount of touchdown as Derek Henry
Henry has 900 more yards lmaooo
Wit 200 less rushes😮 seems like they jus like to overly use Josh and he still didn’t have the same production
They keep showing the same 4 stats for Lamar, afraid to show everything hes bad at and allen is beating him in.
Like what 😂😂😂😂
Td, yard per pass Lamar, QBR Lamar, rushing yards, total yards, total tds, less ints, passer rating, completion %…you want me to keep going 😭😭
@itaflamingodoe863 I mean you can't. Thats all there is. Don't forget turnovers. Lamar is leading Josh in those too.
I remember when JA is underated😢. That Buffalo is a rebuild team . Won 5 division. Without JA Buffalo will be a rebuild team.
Yo Dan
J.Cooks ran for 1009 yds and 16tds and didn’t play the last game.
I dont get how zay being a pro bowler works against Lamar when lamar passes to him. He is a probowler because of lamars arm
Allen has never threw for 40+ tds, js
Dan is a liar boa…said buffalo dt have a 1000 yard rusher 😂😂😂😂come on Dan , we knew who you was voting for weeks ago
Yaw did it racial divide
Stop letting Vegas decide who wins mvp and let the play speak.
Should be Saquan Barkley but the NFL is bought by draft kings
Josh Allen
The bills also tied a record for most tds by recievers because they have nobody this season
Dan cooks has 1000 yards and 16tds 😒😒😒
Ja17 mvp nuff said
No one is bringing up the fact that Lamar was the best player on the field when the Ravens drug the Bills this year.
Derrick Henry was actually the best player on the field that game
Weird way to spell Derrick Henry.
MVP Allen
U can’t give a person MVP JUST BECAUSE THEY GOT LESS TALENT BECAUSE Y COULDNT HE DO MORE WITH STEFFON AND GABE DAVIS…. Lamar JACKSON IS PLAYING OUT OF HIS MIND AND HE FAILED TO MENTION THAT LAMAR BEAT JOSH HEAD TO HEAD 31 to 10 does that not count….
Lol lamar was throwing the ball horribly Saturday yet every bad pass was called the best ever, shits a ioke and fyi shannon literally debunked himself with his reasoning 🤦♂️
Josh has many bad games this year. Bad passes ? Go look at tape
josh literally has had the worst game in nfl history when he went 9/30 against houston after getting fucked over in baltimore.
The ravens WRs had about 8 drops due to the weather. People gotta stop talking and watch the game smh…casuals
Ok let's talk about how many tush push qb sneaks Allen did
Tucker cause a few of them losses
Man just give Allen the pity MVP! They are in The WEAKEST division!!! Gttfoh
And cook finished with 1000 Dan but I get the point
Yeah cause Cook hit that the last game that Josh didn’t play in
lmaoooooo, your missing alot my guy, Allen has blown so many teams out that he sits through 4th quarters, your missing that he's playing with cab drivers, players that wouldn't start on any other good to great team, Allen doesn't have a guy who can rush for almost 2000 yards, your missing that he's beat the best team in the nfc and the afc, your missing he has 1 pro bowler and the ravens have 9, your missing that Allen has more wins and he didn't lose to the raiders and browns, oh and 4000 passing yards and 900 rushing yards are impressive, did you know that Allen has thrown for over 4300 passing yards and ran for 750 yards two years straight while sitting out some 4th quarters? and they said that was a down year for him, so when your bar is low like Lj bar has been, when he does that people seem to make a big deal about it, but Lj is a good regular season player, he's just not Josh Allen, and i wanna see what he does in the playoffs, remember Allen sent him home in the playoffs a couple of years back, oh and Lj has more turnovers than Allen this year
Nah lamar got an mvp last year when he didnt deserve to.
You sound sour ! U dont win an mvp bc of the past ! Lamar has 2 mvps anyway
Who deserves it.. lamar beat 11 teams over 500