Does India need aircraft carriers? Watch what Ashley J. Tellis said at
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- Опубліковано 1 вер 2022
- INS Vikrant, nation's first indigenous aircraft carrier was commissioned into the Indian Navy today. At ThePrint Off The Cuff, Ashley J. Tellis, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, told Shekhar Gupta that India needs to decide if its geopolitical objectives are confined to the sea areas around the peninsula or extends beyond, to determine if the country needs aircraft carriers. Watch an excerpt from #ThePrintOTC, originally published on 11 August, 2022
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Andamans &Car Nicobar islands with airbases located on them enables India’s Air power to influence deep into Bay of Bengal and Southeast Asia. So in a limited way the group of these islands serve the same role as an aircraft carrier. What We really need is aircraft carriers in Arabian Sea where both Chinese and Pakistan Navies are active and we are opening our vital trade route to Europe through Iranian ports to Caspian Sea and beyond into Russia and Europe.
The debate of actual requirement of an AC is a continuous process instead of an event. As we have built the 40000T AC, the theory emerges that 65000T AC alone will serve the purpose. If we build the 65000T AC, another theory will emerge to the effect that only the 100000T AC will do. And so on.
All we can visualise is that this 40000T AC is a technology demonstrator to proclaim that we can do the job of building an AC. Graduating from 40000T AC to 65000T AC to 100000T AC will be relatively easy. That is the crux of the matter.
Good day to all.
In life you learn through experience and no one is born with such experiences,
Now that we the Indians have started the war game's and starting to build enemies around the world then we have to have to weoponise ourselves, as we are taking on China and maybe USA in future because we want to be come mighty.
@@kaushikthaker9666" Enemies around the world" like what are you even talking about?
Appropriate comment Kailasam
I am so habituated with cut the clutter size videos, this one was a sudden end , but it's gold👍
Our aircraft carriers do not have catapult, so heavy aircrafts can't be launched. Moreover an aircraft carrier must be accompanied by submarines, frigates and destroyers which is very expensive to maintain
But we have to do it
@@Myanmartiger921 Exactly.
India always projected it self as a blue water naval doctrine beyond its current maritime boundary .This started way back when Rajiv Gandhi was PM with the induction of Soviet Tu-142MK-E aircraft from March 1988 to March 2017 (29 years). The aircraft were retired on 27 March 2017 during a ceremony held at the INS Rajali air base. They were replaced with the Boeing P-8 Poseidon aircraft. They had a combat range of 6000 km truelu much more than 1000km what Tellis suggested .
Why India can't build aircraft carriers upto speed like China and no new shipyard for construction .Think we need Nitin Gadkari kind of mentality to speed up production of aircraft carriers and submarines and more budget to Navy and cut some of Army budget on wasteful expense on non military expense like golf course at various cantonments.
It’s better to just build airports in Maldives and Andaman Nicobar islands.
India doesn’t have money to complete with China financially. So we have to be more efficient.
@@HsenagNarawseramap and live in perpetual insecurity and be at behest of a foreign nation providing land? What if they have some revolt or change in government? It is worse Idea, given it will only force us in competition with China of corruption and funding..
@saud India has built its IAC in 13 years, that is by no means slow speed! 10 years is the least ANY nation takes today to build a carrier. Instead our speed is impressive given we had to develop a lot of tech. ourselves.
P8i is no carrier based aircraft. It is a submarine hunter. But, as Tellis said if we have aims beyond 8000 kms of range from coast, then we must have carrier. Tu-142 MK-E or Poseidon does not make us blue water navy as both planes cannot land of any aircraft carrier. Instead these planes are long range hunters but still are NOT an instrument for Blue water navy. ONLY true blue water navy today are
1. US
2. France
3. UK (about to induct the most advanced and 1Lakh tonne Carrier)
Russia, China are not true blue water navies as of today. They can send warships but they cant truly project powers. China will be in next 2-3 years.
What we need is nuclear powered 100000 Ton IAC 3 with Emals. Then only we'll have true ability to project power beyond 8-10000 kms.
Even mighty moskave sinked infront of 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
You are being childish. Spend this spend that. China didn't have AC till they become 8T economy
.we had Vikramaditya when we were 1T economy. Military spending is bottomless pit.
Analysis is top notch. Thank you! Jai Hind!
India's sphere of influence should be the whole world, not just the Indian ocean.
So you're looking for India to take the role of global policing.. interesting..
@@jj2000100 Global technological dominance, just like the US has now
@@reardelt Are you out of your mind...... you want our country to be like US ....do you have any idea how many human being US has killed all around the world..... defence forces are for defence purpose not for invading other countries in distant continent!!!!!...... what's wrong with you
First eradicate poverty
@@abhilashdas9115 US is an amazing country. That's why many Indians want to work and immigrate to the USA. No American wants to immigrate to India
so is our aircraft carrier just for the status symbol or is it useful?
Sir what about Charles De Gaul of france which is a 44k tons Nuclear carrier.
3rd carrier should be above 75-80000 Ton with dual jet launch area of Catapult & Stobar in same platform. An unique design & new pattern of carrier. Without using nuclear power will serve the purpose.
Vikrunt at 40K tones took 13 years to build. A 75-80K Tones carrier will take about 20 years ..
very well explained
I am wondering are two Aircraft Carrier's of 45,000 better or worse or comparable to a 65,000 or 90,000 tonne one ? Is it combined and working in tandem more effective than one ?
no 3 are needed
Timely again SG 😃👌
An aircraft carrier is a huge floating platform packed with sophisticated arms, ammunition and other force multipliers like aircrafts which are not only capable of attacking the enemy but also more importantly capable of defending itself . It would be a colossal waste of money ,effort and human lives if this humongous piece of machinery is not lethal and powerful enough to simply take care of itself primarily .
It can take care, but then it needs assistance. It is huge, its maneuverability is limited in relation to frigates or other small ships, so it needs some guards. Its purpose is not to fight directly but to provide a land base sort of platform to other fighters - frigates, planes, submarines etc. So it can carry humans, ammunition, fuel, a factory to repair weapons.
@Bruhh Unfortunately India is incapable of building a submarine even today and all the four foreign firms have declined to manufacture subs under the terms specified by the Govt. So much for atmanirbhar and respect.
Duh, The INS Vikrant is just commissioned. What do you expect? to be it combat ready right away? The navy’s Vice Chief of Staff Vice Admiral SN Ghormade clarified : "It might take another 1 Year for INS Vikrant to be combat ready. By definition, the Carrier will have the galaxy of combat jets which could carry out sorties and the warship will be equipped with surface to air missiles. this would be completed by mid-2023. Also, the deck integration trials of fixed wing aircraft and exploitation of its Aviation Facility Complex (AFC), which is the core of combat capability would commence next year."
INS Vikrant is a baby step towards building up more sophisticated and powerful aircraft carrier battle ships. The vision of India would be much greater in world affairs in future. This is the reason Indian governments initiated and carried out this programme
@Bruhh I am sure you have no knowledge that India is one of the elite 4 along with US, Russia and China for development of hypersonic cruise missiles. DRDO test-fired the HSTDV and was successful.
Ever heard about AI power based anti hypersonic defense system in China? Glide Interceptor Program (GIP) in US? 3 stations equipped with its Rezonans-N radar in Russia? The Barak 8 air defense system- a product of cooperation between India and Israel? and many more ongoing program for AHDS..? Though they might not be 100% efficient but will be soon in near future..so there goes your Hypersonic missile in S hole in near future.
@@jkardez4794 Correct, India is incapable of building a Submarine for now and India knows it very well. the 4 firms - French firm Naval Group, Russia's Rosoboronexport Rubin Design Bureau, Germany's ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and Sweden's Saab group...they did respond for 60,000 crore Submarine project.. they as well had their own terms where the Govt found it to be non reliable as the current Govt didnt want to be on the feet of these firms in future if anything comes up with the Subs, rather they decided to invest in the R&D for another 5-10 years ans come up with the BASIC technology and once they achieve that, then move on and work ahead to Upgrade the same. Thats atmanirbhar and and respect for you.
Do put the link to the original video as well in comments or description .
Hi Raghugovind,
Here’s the link: ua-cam.com/video/YSEGEyWP0Sc/v-deo.html
Great explanation by Ashley Tellis
It may be cheaper to build an airforce station , well defended, on Andaman and Nicobar islands. And maybe on the east coast too, though it's much to close to the mainland.
abe chomu india k pass airofrce base h phle s andaman pr tri service command hai waha anpadh bn gye defence analyst
@@tarunyadav7026 Jo chota sa airbase hai, usse china ko challenge nahi kar sakte. Wahan indira point me deep port banane ki jaroorat hai aur airbase me airsquadrons station karne ki jaroorat hai. Purane mig se kya ukhad lega india?
Considering the present scenario, India should spend on Nuclear Submarines rather than wasting it on obsolete aircraft carriers.
Shouldn’t the argument be instead - carrier vs more aerial refuellers for IAF ?
Aircraft Carriers, in today’s day and age, will have very limited utility against a powerful and technologically advanced country like China. If anything, it is a giant target that can get obliterated in short order in this age of precision and powerful drones/missiles. Imagine how deflating it would be for the morale if it were to be sunk in the event of a real conflict with such adversaries - much worse than Argentina’s General Belgrano moment in the Falklands war, I would imagine.
It probably will have some utility if the adversary were the failed state on our west.
lol, then why did china launch new aircraft carrier few months ago there is a level to stupidity
Even mighty moskave sinked infront 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
Nice...
Well answer was totally based on analysis of data and adjectives rather than a simple point of view of a person.
India lacks infrastructure and so much poverty and to throw away money like that is just sad!!!
Wealth without security is as good as having no wealth at all...
History has proven this to be true, over and over and over again...
First 45,000 tons indigenous, next 65,000 tons and then 90,000 tons 💪🏽🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳 bhai abhi party shuru hui hai
One key capability missing from ski jump carriers are long range AWACS, like the Hawkeye which USN and FN operate. Without catapults, it's not possible to launch those heavy aircraft.
@Wacko woko
Catapult doesn't needs lots of energy, EMALS needs, steam Catapult backdrop is it can't launch multiple jets simultaneously which EMALS can. So if we can make a carrier design with both launching system stobar & steam catapult side by side. It will solve the purpose & won't have to make nuclear Powered carriers as well.
We certainly need naval bases in say, Indonesia, Male, East Africa coast and save on aircraft carrier and CBG. If not possible, we should have more submarines rather than CBG. Our primary strategic goal is IOR rather than Indo-Pacific at least for next 30-40 years. We will have better aircrafts, better missiles and weaponry, surveillance capacity.
Why is this question being asked now. India has two aircraft carriers, learn to live with it.
We saw you our combat in afganistan you wonderful American
I want one answer from this person, did US make 65 ton displacement carrier in their first attempt. Vendetta, remember that old Onida advertisement "Owner pride neighbors envy"
So you're comparing today with what the US accomplished over 90-100 years back?
@@jj2000100 Are you aware of India's Naval and Ship building heritage and how it was dismantled and destroyed by the now so called developed countries.
@@srimantaparial9409
Exactly, India was systematically weakened by western countries & China Pakistan was strengthened to counter India & USSR. West has a very unfriendly mentality towards India.
Even mighty moskave sinked infront of 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
@@srimantaparial9409 I'm aware that very few empires, dynasties and kingdoms that ruled Indian subcontinents had a formidable Navy..
But to say that developed countries dismantled and destroyed it is senseless..
India should focus on it's airforce , army and submarine
India should focus on defending it's border with modern equipment right now.
its a stepping stone, unavoidable, with an aggressive china our geopolitical interest mandate a world class navy.
Yah but carriers are the last thing Chinese navy built.
Chinese only now have the technology to produce fighter jet engine good enough for fighter-jets that can be launched from aircraft carriers. And so after mass-producing fighter jets, submarines, destroyers and frigates, only now are the Chinese producing aircraft carriers.
What will india fly from it's aircraft carriers, when all of india's fighter jets are imported? what is india's anti-submarine warfare capability to send out a $5-$6 billion Vikrant out into the open ocean? What is india's anti-ship missile defense capability? Moskva was taken out by a single precision missile by the Ukrainians. Can indian navy protect Vikrant in the open oceans against a precision guided missile? Highly doubtful...
I think three carrier are enough for India.
No need for a carrier in bay of Bengal because it can be covered from eastern coast and andman Nicobar.
One carrier in Arabian sea and horn of Africa region for Pakistan and West Asia, Somalia region.
One carrier for Southern Indian Ocean and East Africa upto South Africa, reunion Island etc.
And one carrier in the Pacific for china to operate around Japan, Taiwan, SCS, philipines sea and eastern ASEAN countries, .
We should focus on state of arts carrier with heavy firepower perhaps trying a nuclear one after Vishal.
Saud Sultan, Golf is always a waste of time and money. I never understood why the Army would get involved with it. Thanks, I completely agree with you.
Great Video 👍👍
While India needs 3-4 ACs to cover the Indian Ocean against China, the following facts greatly hinder it:
1 - The IAF has a terrible shortage of modern aircraft & needs to be FIXED FIRST _(Russian jets are terrible, we still fly MIG-21s, the Jaguar is literally falling apart & Tejas is underpowered)._ There's no point talking about projecting power beyond 1,000 miles when India cannot protect its borders against the Chinese and Pakistan air forces
2 - The Indian Navy should prioritize large numbers of submarines to keep the Chinese Navy away (far more cheaply than ACs)
3 - The MIG-29s on the current ACs are dreadful, the ACs are too small to be of much use as a fighting force & India simply does not have enough support vessels for its ACs. (The total cost to create a powerful force of ACs is well beyond India's budget at the moment)
I think we have very big geopolitical ambition mainly because we are growing. most of them don't make any sense for now atleast but that's for future.think about it
Even mighty moskave sinked infront 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
We absolutely need at least 3 aircraft carrier to protect our ocean and also in case of war stopping the trade route 'china' for using Malacca strait
Even mighty moskave sinked infront 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
We need more submarines (diesel electric as well as nuclear powered) As "Distributed lethality is way more better than concentrated lethality"
Excellent, well thought and very well-qualified points by Ashley Tellis
Watch Abhijit Chadwa on this topic
I would rather be safe than sorry. In this day and age, it is essential for superpower India to have the power of an aircraft carrier.
'Superpower India',😁
Superpower India? Lol. You are too funny.
@@k.k.c8670 you are a joke here
@@jayasurya5200 surpassed uk in GDP u can laugh
@@Flyingkitty1234 just being a super power by surpassing UK doesn't mean that we Indians live a better life then the English people. See the per capita income and then u can be very proud about that.
India need to get a squadron of F-35s which have VTOL capabilities. Then make space and modifications on any ship to host 3-4 F35s to act as a mini aircraft carrier. Mere $100M modification would be much better than $5B AC. India does not need to act like a power projecting nation i.e. beyond Pakistan and little bit east of andaman nicobar islands we do not need to send plane to engage. Missiles with several thousand km ranges are good enough if needed for long distance hits like North or East China. India should spend good budgets on cyberwarfares, R&D and space technologies.......instead of ACs..
You were never offered the f35. So your point is moot.
INS Vikrant is a baby step towards building up more sophisticated and powerful aircraft carrier battle ships. The vision of India would be much greater in world affairs in future. This is the reason Indian governments initiated and carried out this programme. SG, please don't try to belittle this as a built for the purpose of prestige. It is collective work of all governments. In the interest of punching down Modi, you have been trying to downgrade it from the start of the interview but Ashley didn't bite the bait.
Your observation is spot on. Shekar wants to show as status symbol, Ashley is articulative saying it is based on strategic. This is a baby step and will help keep us deterrent and also invest in country. Shekar will make one more video about unemployment. Funny guy
The Time will say but We are Capable to accommodate 150jets
Drones on ocean surface will be the new weapons.
Sir he is not near to accuracy
Ashley is speaking absolute sense.Hope someone in India’s defence planning listen to him.
People in defence are also not idiots... It's just that you don't know their perspective or future objective
@@nikhilsingh6243 pls run this by Mr.Pravin sawhney!
@Bruhh no u r wrong.A missile can’t take out a carier that easily.It’s a stupid narrative run by Chinese media.Why is China building more n more aircraft carrier s ??
@@nikhilsingh6243 really ? I didn’t know
@@nikhilsingh6243 use u r commonsense before typing…..Vikrant has been in making for more than 10-12 years.Vikrant was made based on threats 10-12 years from now.
French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle is of 42500 tonnes.
Thanks for this interview, but not so much thanks. The release date of this video could have little later, as we commissioned our aircraft carrier today itself. Common, be proud a little bit and later we can bitch about it. Regards.
Even mighty moskave sinked infront of 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
India need's 3 aircraft carriers its urgent situation enemy should be scared to provoke or touch india
We need aircraft carriers to feel proud as a nation, to arrive at the world scene as a global power and Project our capabilities and a powerful image. It is definitely worth it 🙏🏽
At the cost of hungry and uneducated population?
@@pranjalipranjali2751 to protect the hungry and uneducated population
@@dab6923 lmao,what irrational thinking
@@pranjalipranjali2751 naming yourself pranjali won't make you hindu we know who you are & why your ass is burnt with this AC
@@joexavier4070 practical thinking
Having superior fleet of aircraft carriers is non-negotiable if we have make Indian Ocean our sphere of influence. Don't go by the talks of ACC being outdated; people said the same thing about Tanks , and they're still the war winning factors.
Even mighty moskave sinked infront 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune
U saw ,how many tanks has been destroyed in Ukraine ..it's have limited potinal only
@@joexavier4070 only one warship sunk in a half year long battle. And why has the news stopped telling about more tank destruction? Maybe cause it was a propaganda
@@joexavier4070 👍 👌
@@braillgebra1706 no buddy russia lost all of their tanks which deployed during first month's of Ukraine war..as well as we saw mighty javilans caused most of the destruction as well as Turkish drone done ✅ lot of damage to Russian army vehicles...it's a war between two land boarder countries,hence navy played less role only..
We need more submarines
India Needs minimum 100 carier
Lol
The titles and the topics that u initiate almost always feel like u want to belittle the efforts of the BJP government...Like give us alternative view point... The best part that we as the citizens of India have realized right from wrong.. and guess what we don't want any moguls to come and take over us like the early 1800's .. It is better to display strength than weakness.. esp when u have terrorist expansionist like Pakistan and China right in our back yard... So even it means wasting your money it is still worth it... Power is better than being powerless...just like being prepared is better than being taken by surprise... like how un prepared where we when the second wave hit us during corona....I'm sure u remember that because criticism is your favorite job to do... So hats of to the Modi govt... We have a surplus for the first time as money has not reached the Swiss account or accounts in Italy.. and hence all the spending... why the hell he shouldn't... Who cares if tech changes in 10 yrs time...we can't wait for 10 yrs....
When u say criticize your tallking about Ashley correct?
@@noxpablo what do u mean. Pls simplify?
speaker is not disrespectful. self criticism is hearing different view point especially from internationally recognized expert on strategy. if we spend money we need to get something effective. no point in anything less. well done navy and team but lets keep our eyes on bigger game and work on something more effective.
thailand had a stupid Aircraft carrier.. just for ego.. didnt work for them..
Like every Govt or most of the Govt schemes, the strategy fails in comparison to what exactly is Relevant or Practical for the end client, here the Navy being the end client.. Do we really have an Audit for all this spending visavis with what is needed to safeguard our Real Interests..
@@Parrot3054 You need submarines for that. ACs are needed when you want to expand way beyond your land area and achieve air superiority. With my limited understanding, if we want to defend while keeping the attacking capabilities, we should invest in Nuclear subs. The USA already has carriers in the region.
Interests keep changing with govts and most of the defense spend until 2014 was to fill personal coffers and not necessarily in the best interest of the nation. Having strategic partners is critical to covering a larger geographical area like the one we have with France. Submarines are certainly more effective especially the SSNs and SSBNs.
Mr Gupta you have built your and wasted your money because it not like Antilia. What a waste!! Correct analogy.
House
Gloomy loomy as ever
We are happy with low quality stuff and stuff that's not future proof to some extent....bcz a photo and a grand launch will help him launch himself for another term.
The idea behind getting rid of the "nishan" is also not good.
Our armed forces boast about their success pre and post independence, how can one erase the history?? To further the name earned and maintain it is the priority for the armed forces and their regiments.
Wow.... nice Godi media flavor masala " Does it cover Karachi and Gawadar" Why not Bejing and NY. Any future war, it Will become highly difficult to hide this mammoth from PAF wrath.
The biggest question is why majority of Indians don't pay taxes.....this will significantly help to increase our defence budget....
every one born here pays taxes - mostly the indirect-kind and mostly in much higher proportion of their measly incomes. from a small unfertilized egg -> fetus thru cremation time - all pay somehow. we also pay the penalties for the crimes the 'leaders' do .
Only rich ,poor pays taxes
@@joexavier4070 so in India only 2 classes exist?? Then everyone is paying
Shame india
We are unable to take back an inch of POK and are investing into this nonsense. We also have people dying of hunger.
But Modi must have something dramatic to inaugurate every 3 moths.
So, it’s OK. We understand.
where people are dying out of Hunger. Can you let me know the address and we will have my NGO take care of them or they can get the free ration till 2022 June. Please provide real location and we will deal with it.
US has thousands of homeless people. Yet they spend ten times more on their military compared to China or
@@YT-lx9ry If your NGO spends the donation money on the poor, who’ll feed you? Wouldn’t that defeat the very purpose of opening an NGO?
India will always lack resources due to population explosion - silly episode - This print editor biased and probably hates Modi admin - take pride in your country!!
He will say don't blame Muslims for population growth. He is pro congress.
@@badpapi5043 Still Muslims form just 14 % of the entire population. Who are rest of the 86 % Ashram Putrs?
This moderator S.G. is known for his over analysis.Elon Musk has offered him a complimentary ticket to space so that he can analyse the problems faced by Aliens.Best of luck sir.
A n0nsense discussion as usual.
A guest who has no clue about India's current power projection in the high seas or did he choose to be ignorant about it?
Any student who is following current affairs would be aware of the length and breadth of Indian Navy's current activities which literally stretches from Hawaii to Brazil.
And the host as usual sucks at strategic matters.
The librandus and the lefts are unable to digest the fact that India is projecting naval power.
How can this so called 'expert' be so naive about the value and impact of a country's geographical location in naval or maritime power projection??
How can US Navy and Indian Navy have the same doctrine?
US doesn't have any conflict nearshore. But India has.
If the area of influence is from Hawaii to Brazil, then there are dozens of friendly countries for port calls by IN ships. A 7500km range in a single refuel cannot be called insufficient.
The current availability of the Mig-29Ks are between 65%-70% due to the extensive improvements done by HAL and IN. And this expert had no clue about that.
Surprising that such eminent personality does not consider that India has to keep its sea lanes safe as much of its trade passes through it. Surely he is not wiser than American foreign policy advisors and the bipartisan support India gets for its role in INDO PACIFIC, besides Indias own IOR security concern. Does he expect India to stay behind is guns on land and watch china dominate India sea lanes and threaten India from everywhere. Is it a deliberate down grading Indias interest and importance or ignorance of the Indo pacific scenario? Even the analysis is poor and Sharon of important considerations.
The will always advice more submarines because that is India needs to buy.. Will any defense personal, procurement person advice aircraft carrier and Tejas if India can make in India with Indian money ? NO.... We need 2- more AC with another 45 Tejas 2 on each so that one day when as usual US will do what they did in 1971 sending USS enterprise to NUKE India.
Even mighty moskave sinked infront of 3rd class Ukraine missile called Neptune