Ascending sucks in PoE 2
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- Опубліковано 12 січ 2025
- At the moment Ascending is quite brutal I think its compounding the issues for players where a previously easily accessible source of power now feels out of reach for many.
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I absolutely hate the trials; it's way too tedious. Not only if you fail do you have to go through another hour and a half of rooms again; but you also have to random grind rng mobs to get the key to go back in again in the first place.
Yeah that's the most stupid mech i have seen in a long time in a game...when not ever!! It's just annoying amd not fun.
farming the key is lame
should just be able to retry unlimited after u unlock it
i think the difficulty is more about the overall game balance
we spend all our time dodging and damage is either irrelevant or you get oneshot
that's a damage scaling problem... because life flasks are useless... ur either full health or dead
They truly never drop, not even farmable.
I recently got a key in a drop.
Someone raised the question “Is GGG respecting our time?” As of right now, I don’t think they are.
trail of sucamaballs indeed
Honestly, so many lessons learned from PoE1 have been actively unlearned by GGG to the point that PoE2 feels like an incompetent knockoff of PoE1 by people who are chasing elden ring hype.
This.
ITS NOT THE SAME GAME YOU FUCKING 🤡. Don’t like it don’t fucking play it.
imo, the intentionally rolled back everything (even problems that have been solved) so they can go another path so it doesn't become equal to PoE 1, by doing that, they can develop different ways of playing the game and solving problems that comes with this new path, for example crafting, they are clearly trying to change how craft works, by doing that old problems will show up and new ones as well, so if they try to solve the problems the same way, we'll end up with PoE 1 instead.
@@felipefreire5245 All we needed was the new combat system and skill gems in their own window. Crafting didn't need fixing.
I agree, the difficulty level of the third trial feels about the right difficulty for the fourth. It's difficult, but it's not unreasonably so. I did it blind on my monk, succeeded with ~60 honour remaining, having been screwed by crippling afflictions mid-way through.
The fourth trial? Holy crap, I'd upgraded my monk build since doing my third trial, I figured it'd be somewhat a step up... I wasn't prepared for how ridiculous the fourth floor was, I didn't even make it anywhere near the boss room, and this was having had quite decent RNG with which afflictions I was forced into, nothing crippling, and the worst ones I got like +50% monster health were compensated for somewhat by boons (-30% monster health).
Man when I saw a door after going through 7 rooms leading to another 8 rooms for my 3 ascendency I sighed man. And then I got a crazy hourglass room as my seventh room with lightning everywhere which killed my honor and died at the end boss. I said fuck that and went back to maps. And now I have to grind to hopefully find another token to do the trial.
I think people who haven't played PoE 1 seem to have more tolerance for this cause knowing how easy it is in the first game to ascend its mind blowing they left it in this state before the holidays it is rough right now in early maps and no help in sight :/
@@Xylar-isa huge problem is player power doesn't really help you in sanctum, so there's nothing you can do to come back later and handle it better. Atleast with lab you could over level and do it later with brute force. They really fucked up gating ascendancy behind maneuvering content that's highly dependant on rng.
@@mattb6646 Wdym? The amount of honor you get is related to your defenses and even MoM helps giving it a higher amount of honor based on your mana, if your resistances are on point floor 1-3 are free with honor resist relics, floor 4 altho isn't free I feel like I got it basically down and could get through consistently.
Of course that all comes with the huge caveat that meele classes nor glass cannon builds are afforded the same leniency.
My primary income for exalts / divines is mostly selling floor 4 tokens for people who sell carries, I think in about 15ish minutes I have floor 4 barya ready, full honor with a good chunk of decent boons.
@@mattb6646 just get good noob
@@mattb6646 I did no ascendancies in 2 until I was lvl 85 and walked through all 4 of them first try, You absolutely can do this in 2 lol
Ascending is the worst mechanic I've ever played in a game, especially considering it hides such a huge power upgrade, so you feel forced.
I'm a melee, the amount of honour punishment in getting in the third trial round is ridiculous.
Currently play titan level 90. Was able to do first 3 ascendancy as stampede/slam build. The time boss for the 4th ascendency was impossible to get uptime for dps as melee. I had to swap to playing a totem build. Just to keep range and it was 1000x easier. Did it in one try.
This is why i'm not ashamed to say I paid 25 total exalts for all 4 ascensions.
This is just brutal and stupid. Especially with the 1 life per map...
Ascending in poe2 doesnt suck... its dogshit. They took 10 steps back on ascending in poe2. They took steps back in quite a few areas in poe2 which is ashame because the combat and graphics are way better. Crafting and mapping have taken big steps backwards
It is a reskin of poe1 for consoles
imho both Sorc ascendancies suck for me, the left one is literally just 12%cast speed, the right one is meh but at least positive.
I'd rather get 2 passive points after a trial than 2 ascendancy points
GGG philosophy is crap. Every buff on a unique item has a direct debuff on it. Essentially making every unique item useless. I feel like that dev guy wants so badly to seem smart that they overcomplicated everything not realizing they are dumb.
Johnny Roger has some explaining to do for sure some uniques completely break the game like temporalis others are so underwhelming you wonder why you bothered to pick it up
They dont touched their game in 8 years, we can clearly see that, people already broke the "difficult souls type game" that they showcased, youre going to tell me that in years they couldnt figure out perma freeze comet? Or insta killing bosses lol@@Xylar-is
The few that don't are absolutely game breaking. See Ghostwrithe for an example.
I've found several uniques, and crafted one, that don't have any debuffs and aren't game breaking. Only lvl 73 and tier 3
Feels like they forced it out before Xmas. Sure acts 1 2 and 3 campaign are good but just about everything else is not even halfway ready for human consumption. Not sure wtf the play was there, because thats a fuckload of really borked systems we got.
It's an early access half of the game is missing. Game is not finished. They will be rebalancing stuff for a full year before it is done. I don't know what everyone expected. Of course it's like this.
@@yoooyoyooo I think we all understand that. I'm saying I dont think it even qualifies for early access, some of this stuff feels like internal Alpha levels of unprepared.
No shit 🤡 its EARLY FUCKING ACCESS.
They're going to have many patches and as the other commenter said, half the game is missing, yet people are acting like the game is fully complete and they must be idiots working there. 😅
His points are valid, but they've already stated they're aware of these issues. Rushing out a large patch pre Christmas attempting to address all this would be foolish. The first major patch after the holidays will be the most interesting.
@@prettycool_guy3516I get what you mean, these other consumers don’t understand business, they did this to rake in the cash before taking off for the holidays, makes sense business wise, so we ate up the golden dog shit
The difficulty on them is not even the most important issue for me. The issue is I truly can't farm the djinn baryas. Last 3 days was just farming for it to find a single one. Yup i didn't get it. As for trading, its all trolls, you pm them and you never get an answer. Maybe because bots are buying all of them. who knows... Nuts. Trade is useless for them and they don't drop either. Nice.
We just need to be able to redo tries, ffs.
Melee titan specs into shock totem blast and we dodge roll while totems nuker everything...
Hoping they dont nerf it right away
😂 I have 84%DR, capped res, and max block and it’s like I don’t even have armor….
I am playing Warrior and I stacked honor resistance to 84%, I was told it's capped at 75% hm. With that I started to actually enjoy the trials a bit more.
But I tried like 5 times and still didn't succeeded in getting my ascendency. Even with maxed honour resistance it's so anti-melee.
Then I finally got to the 3rd floor boss and it's even worse. Half the time he jumps around, then poinsons me and then fucks off to jump around again. I can't get any hits in, he hits like a truck and then jump around.
Only lucky thing is that on titan. The 3rd/4th ascendancy is no big deal. My current plan is to get the armour one and HP nodes. It's like like a bit of a buff, not nessecary for my build.
There appears to be a weird pattern in PoE 2 of relatively minor power increases being locked behind insane RNG/Time sinks. For most builds, getting your 4th ascendancy is typically a bit of utility or a relatively minor power boost, and yet it's locked behind completing something that can only drop well into rare maps. A 6th link on most skills is going to be filled with some random utility support, since you've already put all the relevant damage supports in well before your 6 link, yet perfect Jewelers orbs are basically the rarest currency in the game aside from the Mirror of Kalandra. God forbid you want to corrupt a skill gem for +1 gem levels. You need to fully 6 link it every single attempt. Good luck with that. It's just a bit goofy.
Have the POE2 trolls said "Git gud" yet? 🤪😂
Found one down the comments 😂😂😂 OH no it's two already 🎉
they themselves are at act 1 cruel after 2 weeks.
they better hope the game gits gud
IMO there should be more ways to ascend in different gameplays. I think of a huge plains extension where there's mobs comming at waves depending on shrines you pick, shrines keep appearing but mobs only come when you take the boon so you can take several boons to let more enemies come or wait til finish current mobs to call more; even with a shrine type that makes mobs weaker but more in number or viceversa stronger but fewer in number, another to make enemies low their level but give less trial points, etc... there's a lot to do there!
When I saw that -50% afflictions and % buff to enemy. Oh boy, GGG is sadist lmao
Trial of suckamabyalls
Yeah, agree. Trials are dumb - the idea is good, but not only is the power disparity between ascendancies per point insane, the amount of power you get from doing a trial for most classes is negligible to the point were it's not worth bothering. Either they massively buff ascendancies or they nerf the trials. The absolute state of it ridiculous.
I did get my last two points through the honor trials, I did the early easier ones until i got the 75% honor resistance with relics and some extra honor etc., aside from the big slam and "tank busters" of attacks, you don't really lose any honor thankfully (doesn't mean you can just brain AFK of course and walk into everything), and i also carried a friend of mine through the labyrinth's final boss (time god thing).
I went with the labyrinth as a melee (Warrior/Titan), it is honestly not so bad, but having 75% honor resistance is basically mandatory.
I dunno about ultimatum, but at first glance it seemed way too annoying to me, so i decided on the Honor Trial. It definitely feels easier then Ultimatum on a melee character.
PS: I do Say one thing though: If you can get the "Movement speed boon" in honor trials, GRAB IT! It makes the hourglass mechanic so much easier. Try your best to keep it until the very end!
I got the " you cannot be damaged in the next room boon" just before the last boss.Obviously a piece of cake after..sometimes you just get lucky
@@serieee123 oh, interestin,g but it does not protect you from the hour glass mechanic, does it?
As a minion cuck myself, I find the trials to be easy but annoying and tedious. But I wouldn't want to do them with any other build, that seems awful.
Level 72 and I havent seen a drop for the lvl 65 ascendant
both trials need a serious rethink if this is how we earn ascendancy, the RNG in both can literally brick your run its absurd.....
Its not only meele builds, other fun build are also affected, while at same there there are few OP builds where most chalange that people have gotten is act 1 after that they 1-5 shot all bosses. Agree check point should be at boss, otherwise its not fun just tedious
I just pay 30 exalts and get all 4 asc points, just like GGG intended
I stopped playing the first PoE due to making choices early that made ascendency near impossible. The 4th one broke my interest in continuing that character
Checkpointing at the bosses absolutely would be better. Part of why souls games get away with 'gatcha' kill mechanics is that the trip back to the boss is usually quick and easy. (The few exceptions are infamous and hated for it.) More importantly, this was something Fromsoft _learned_ they needed to do over time, because it respects players time, and if you respect my time I am willing to put my nuts in that vice, but if your wasting my time, I have got better things to do.
Ive been stuck on my third since the third day the game was out ive been in maps for awhile im lvl75 infernalist and the rng is wrecking me
Strange my lvl 70 merc I beat 3rd ascension on 1st try. Used all honor resist relics and only went for fountains and honor, only took keys when they were the only choice. Movement speed on boots might help
I think ascendancies trials should be class specific.
like, each class should have its own tematic trials. .
That would be cool and do much for class identity, but image the amount of work that would need to go into it to make it worthwhile
I feel like non of these 3rd or especially 4th accendencies are clearable unless you can already clear 15+ maps and bosses.
If your character is at all gear dependent thats rough. I geared up decently before divine orbs became the prime currency. But starting maps now is rough as a lot of okay gear starts at 1 divine on average.
i think the sactum should make atleast 4 room or 3 for 8 room is to much also they need to drop more sanctum item..
I'm totally with you on this one. I regret the fact that I spent money on POE 2 early access.
I don't. I spent 3x that on D4 and almost everything is better in POE2. Playing wasd controls on merc completely changed how an aarpg feels
I beat my third at level 77. I had like 10 boons that made it easy like alot of movement speed and like +20% to all damage. It felt easy but it was hard with tries before my “good” run. Overall i think its fair. Just get your armor and damage up there
Playing merc on 1st 2 trials were easy. Failed on 1st floor boss on 3rd trial because i was only lvl 62. Waited until lvl 70 and beat 3rd trial on 1 try easily. Only used honor resist relics and only went for fountains and honor when given the choice. Havent tried 4th ascension yet but I'm guessing I'll wait until I'm lvl 80+
I’m a level 80 ranger and I cannot get my 3rd ascendancy. I hate this shit
I skipped sanctum and ultimatum leagues for a reason and now i’m forced to do them …. this is the only thing i don’t like in poe2
Idek how to get the third trial.. I'm nearly in endgame and I have only done 2
If you are already in maps you should start seeing 3 floor djinn barya's or 10 wave ultimatums and they will tell if running them will grant you your next ascendancy
The trials are terrible, I think it's the worst thing about the game today, the honor system is the stupidest thing anyone could imagine and the amount of challenges makes no sense. I understand that they want to make things difficult, but they're just locking players out unnecessarily.
There are still a lot of bosses that don't have telegraphed skills and the fact that mobs can snare you and leave you without reacting because you're being attacked, when it's the moment you need to react the most. Another problem is that boss fights have an absurd amount of one shot skills, this is not cool, especially because of the previous problem.
Me and my mate have just spend hours trying to do this, I got hit when he got hit we shared honor despite him having 4k effective health and I only had 2.5k so I would die from him taking half danmage 2nd floor boss doing 500 honor danmage per hit , both played poe for years both using slightly meta builds with good gear , I have skill issues but my freind deffintly dose not and it had us both for hours its so painful, really need old lab back man I miss argus :(
The whole endgame is kind of terrible rn tbh.I finished all my ascendacies , reached t15 mapping, beat a few bosses, but honestly the whole experience ,in regards to endgame is...meh.They need to make a lot of improvements.Campaign was S tier though.They deserve the praise for the first 3 acts.
I liked lab. Sanctum sucks.
My thing is; how is some ascendancy nodes worse than regular nodes 3% to strength? Really? 😳
SSF is gross through the whole game. Campain bosses are un-necessarily difficult and the res cap issue early game needs attention as well.
I ascended just fine
Trial 3 - 50, Trial 4 - 75, Trial 5 - 90. Please just do it so we can have some real challenge
This dude looks like POHX but from the Bronx. Nice rant, though. Merry Christmas!😊🎄😊🎄
I got my first set of points and while it was kind of intense it wasnt to bad (this was post nerf, I was in hardcore). Id prefer the lab but I was like ok people are overestimateing these.
Then it came time to get my next set of points.. Only do 10 rounds of ultimatum with these crazy ass debuffs. Nope Im good, I hated Ultimatum in the first game, I used atlas tree to turn it off so it never showed up. But its even fucking worse in the second.
Im just going to wait until I hit level 90 then go do ascension when its trivial because fuck that shit is stupid and Im salty we have to so it.
Man, devs deserve their holidays.
I agree I'm just sad they couldn't get things into a better state before the holidays arrived can't wait to see what they'll address when they get back and I hope they enjoy their very well deserved time off as much as I complain I've still logged in every single day
@@Xylar-is I assume they just couldn't push all the changes they wanted through before time was up for the holidays. And likely wanted to gauge more player sentiment before committing further.
We'll see with the first big update that will follow urgent fixes after the new year, I reckon.
I just need a game that's easier. I wanna sit down, press a button and win. Simple and fun. Things explode on screen, items fall from the sky, get all the unique and breat the game in one day. But no, they have to make it hard, I have to use my brain, I have to use skill, I have to try more than one time (I should not have to try a boss more than one time) . This game is extremely un friendly to people who just want the screen to explode with flashy lights and numbers. Where are the explodey numbers???
The way rhis progression is purely luck based that depends on what random debuffs you get in each trial is just horrible design. PoE2 is genuinely fun but they completly dropped the ball on this and it's absolutely embarrassing how bad it is
Idk y u keep beating around the bush, just say it, “bring back labs”. I fuckin loved doing my labs, every league I played, going back to Synthesis league. I’ve always enjoyed them. It’s cool if u didn’t, unless u were one of the vocal folks complaining about Labs, in which case we owe this current bullshit situation to you.
Im new to poe, and this is kinda brutal. I guess I need to switch to meta build..
Just play a ranged character, it is how you should play the game by design
I disagree, it’s an amazing concept just need polishing. I would say there should be part v that will be nearly impossible to complete unless you dedicate some practice and build up an actual hard skill
If I try level another character and gets stuck in the campain I'll uninstall the damn thing, PoE 1 is way better so far
100% all of the pinnacle bosses are not playable blind as the down side of losing is too high. And even knowing the fight, you might get 1 shot and lose...
The campaign was greate because you can learn the bosses. Wild that you build up for hours to fight late game ones and one loss erases all your progress.
Buy a carry, job done, so easy.
im a minion player just did my forth Ascend this game is to hard, im 95 atm, . its a nice game but its just two hard.. i don't know how they will attract a new audience with this its not chill and its very tedious the ui is tedious , . i dident by any items im SSF but it feels that you kind of need to by and sell items.
I do agree
I love the trials, can’t have enough of it
just need to be good at the game everything is achieveable,everyone just wanna make game easy.
@@LTTrikampis I’ve done this trials 2x to fully ascend two separate characters. Being able to do it and finding it enjoyable are two wholly separate conversations.
found the "git good" comment
if you could just try again i would be fine
because once you have your ascendency ur done
having to farm to unlock it every time u fail is lame
I agree with this video. I am also tired of the recycled league mechanics of POE1 in this game as well. Enough of these POE1 league mechanics. Be more creative and come up with something new. They said they wanted a new game, but these are all recycled league mechanics from POE1 that we have been playing for years.
Yeah boy, aint no excuse for this bad game development its so easy to fix this game not even a joke. they are smuck as hell became the thing they hate like blizzard
get gud, na but the ragebait aside it depends on the builds honestly if you are one shotting everything im pretty sure u wouldnt face difficulties in trials.
Or you just get free carry from someone like me. You provide fragments tho.
Hey man, try getting a few good relics and learn sanctum mechanics. It’s pretty easy once you have good relics !
I've Ascended 4 times on 2 different characters the issue isn't whether or not I can do it. The third trial is literally harder than doing uber lab for your fourth ascendancy probably a steep ask for most players just trying to ascend :/
PoE2 in its current state is so much worse than d4 even if d4 is kinda meh. Endgame is a fucking slog with 0 fun.
Die and lose xp, waystone, map nodes which is an hour or more of progress, 93+ even more than an hour where you just want to quit forever. Farming t15 and t16 maps with good waystones and so far all the mechanics like ritual and expedition give dogshit rewards, blues and rares that are not usable. A tiny amount of resources, I need hundreds of these delirium things for one necklace enchant? Wtf, that is 100s of hours of playtime. Unaffordable to buy it because MF is broken and people print mirrors in group farms now so I am priced out forever.
Ritual gives me blue stuff for the most part at high risk of dying since you get swarmed left and right by mobs.
Who wants to deal with that shit? Unrewarding as hell, tedious and most importantly it is very stressful. Come from work, get no reward, make negative progress if any at all.
you use that unethical shield? L
It is simply NOT FUN. Just let us fight a super hard boss. Thats it. Nothing more. It’s so boring and stupid. Just a boss. Or 2. Thats it
It's a beta, smh.
BUNCH OF 🐱’s on here. Lmfao.
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get good. i did it.
found the "git gude" comment
Skill issue, git gud.
found the cbt expert
@@VizerPS Found the CBD expert.
I hated Sanctum and Ultimatum in PoE1. Putting important character progression behind this shit is C&B torture. If it stays as is it is becoming obvious this game isn't for me.
Ascending is awesome.
I must love c.b.t.
I didn't like c.b.t...