Jon: After the battle we pick up food, and there is nothing on the battle field but the corpses of our enemies, maybe we don't ask questions about that. They presumably weren't moving the army around starving, I imagine they had supplies on them, like, you know, rations.
All right, we NEED MATN to do a full on Odysseus Campaign with this when it comes out! Jon’s tendency to turn pretty much most of Total War/Paradox campaigns into a History lesson will/should work rather well with Odysseus being the Achaean King who had the most common sense!
A lot of Romans would have said Odysseus was a ratbag. They were hardcore for Aneus. Odysseus killed a lot of people out of paranoia, be he was basically alright. He was a bit too smoothe. People sure did like giving him presents but he would be like, just toss it on the pile.
@@thumper8684 Yeah, however, the Romans would mainly have a negative opinion of Odysseus as he was a Achaean, while the Romans as you might know claim decent from the Trojans. Odysseus can overall be seen as smart but to the Romans this is interpreted as sly and/or cunning.
I couldnt tell if the harpies were literally harpies, or just female human warriors called harpies. If it's the latter it makes some level of sense. The island is called Lesbos, and has a bit of a reputation.
@@JulieanGalak Fair enough :) Then again, knowing Jon, I wouldn't be surprised if he did that on accident. Like, he wanted to ransom them but got confused, ate them, and then tried to ransom their food supplies :D
I believe Paris is being cast as a Saturday-morning villain because he exhibits all the relevant traits - cowardice, arrogance, a sexy voice, impotence in bed, an aptitude for inducing adultery in himself and others- you know, all the good stuff
Ah yes, why would we want to assassinate the character of Paris... the wife stealer. The coward that ran from Menelaus in a 1v1 duel for Helen. Yep, just an upstanding guy that Paris
Unlike Aeneas who save many lives, fought in duels against all sorts of people. Didn't steal anyone's wife too, although he did become "good friends" with Queen Dido of Carthage.
Interesting; you're a far more competent player than "the other guys" whose videos of Paris' campaign I watched. Look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Come for the total war, stay for the mythology and history, and especially the character assassination of mythical figures Heres to hoping for more games that give you an excuse to give fun facts
I'm gonna be real, I clicked just because of the amazing pun! Best I've heard in some time! Alternative joke: What does John Travolta drive in Athens? His Greece Lightning
the amount of ammunition carried by the javelins is ridiculous, most soldiers carried 3-5, how can you carry 15 without a cart? if you reduce the ammo and simply make javelin soldiers a lot cheaper or better at cavalry
Is Paris gunna be sent on a training montage with... Philoctetes, the trainer of heroes!
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Are there heavy javelin units that are tanky? WAIT I TAKE THIS BACK TOO, JAVELIN THROWERS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD AT MELEE AS THEY ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN!
Small tactical suggestion. Instead of forming your infantry into long walls of units try spacing the units out so the infantry blocks are roughly 3/4 the width of a unit apart. Melee units in front with ranged units behind, positioned to fire through these gaps you've made in the front line. When deployed correctly your army should be laid out in a checkerboard-like pattern. You'd think this would be very vulnerable but because of the way the AI works enemy infantry cannot move through those gaps if any portion of their line intersects with your front line. This allows a single melee unit to block multiple enemy units maximizing the efficiency of the front line while always leaving your back line a clear field of fire on the enemy.
1:17:57 “this fight in a corn field is going well” Jon, a trained classicist regarding the Homeric era Greece and Anatolia (definitely not a trained biologist)
Jon those harpies are recruit-able on the isle of Lesbos. Considering the Lesbian history/stories associated it would make sense that Harpies existed there, Think about the sorts of men who would be arriving during this period, young men with *cough* urges, and what they would think of women who don't swing that way. Calling someone a Harpy would be a probable insult for such teases wouldn't it? :)
Does anyone else just hate the new total war UI? I know it’s weird but I much preferred Attila and Rome II’s visuals. Bit more muted and easier on the eyes
I wonder how skirmish or custom battles work Would they use the new multi-resource Or just food Or even gold How would siege battles work in skirmish Are you allowed to make siege towers, Trojan horse, and wrath of Poseidon for that I'm interested to see how this works
"I don't know why they are character assassinating Paris". Fucker seduces a king's wife and single handedly kickstarts a war but too limpdicked to stand in a 1v1 duel that could have his people, lets his protective big brother do it instead who dies for him, then keeps hiding behind the walls as long as possible until his city gets burnt down THEN graceously picks up a bow finally to shoot like one arrow.
I was going through tv tropes on the topic of what an idiot and Paris show's up in there below is what was there. Paris has been chosen as a judge to determine who's the most beautiful at a wedding feast by giving his choice an apple labeled as "For the Fairest". Aphrodite, Hera, and Athena all try to bribe him - Hera offers world domination, Athena offers genius smarts and martial skill, and Aphrodite offers the love of the most beautiful woman in the world. You'd Expect: Paris to choose Hera and gain a royal harem as part and parcel of World Domination, or to choose Athena and use his smarts to gain World Domination and aforementioned harem. Just about every person who has read the myth has thought this at some point. Or: If Paris won't have any woman but Helen, he could still choose one of the other goddesses and use their bribes to get her. In Hera's case, the idea of being given World Domination does suggest that you'd get sufficient military resources on hand to keep the world in line, which he could use to sort out anyone who tries to get Helen back. In Athena's case, you'd think that he could use his smarts to come up with a way of getting Helen without causing a huge amount of trouble. Or: Toss the apple to Hestia (she who tends the hearths of Olympus), Demeter (she in charge of all plant life), or maybe even Persephone or Amphitrite, to Take a Third Option. Or Even: Paris could say that he, a mere mortal, cannot be great enough to choose who, out of the three Goddesses is the most beautiful (not to mention realizing that, no matter who he chooses, two powerful Goddesses will be angry with him for not choosing them). Or Perhaps Even: He could have given it to the bride (since the bride is the most beautiful woman in the world in her wedding day) and gain the grudging approval of all three. Hera's dominion includes marriage - she can't object without mocking her own power; Aphrodite's is love - she has to stay her hand for pretty much the same reason; Athena, as a goddess of intellect, would also probably approve of this display of guile and skill. And to boot, he'd ingratiate himself with the hosts. Instead: Paris chooses Aphrodite and gains the hand of an already-married queen, with most of the armies of Greece bound to rescue her, as well as the enmity of two of the most powerful goddesses in the pantheon. Cue The Trojan War. In Addition: In some versions the apple is put there to sow discord by Eris, the goddess of spite, who for some reason Paris thought it would be a good idea not to invite. It's not like she'll hold a grudge or anything...
That would be the rational thing indeed but it would be a bit lacklustre a story to make a series out of, don't you think? You need some drama for all the sequels and prequels. Besides, Paris was probably thinking with his little brain...
I didnt see but do different resource exploits give different garrisons? Like bronze territories give better troops, wood and food more quantity, stone...i dont know better defensive position?
I really really really want a dedicated illiad video... Would be preeeetty nice... With Jon even the most boring parts would be absolutely brilliant and hilarious. Just sayin
Is it just me, or does it seem mechanically beneficial to keep putting Helen in harm's way? Let her get captured and then rescue her. (Kinda like Mario. :D)
Jon: After the battle we pick up food, and there is nothing on the battle field but the corpses of our enemies, maybe we don't ask questions about that.
They presumably weren't moving the army around starving, I imagine they had supplies on them, like, you know, rations.
Nah mate wide spread cannibalism is the only sensible answer
Jon: "Ares is on my side!"
Top of the screen: "No God is on your side."
Loving the optimism, Jon.
All right, we NEED MATN to do a full on Odysseus Campaign with this when it comes out! Jon’s tendency to turn pretty much most of Total War/Paradox campaigns into a History lesson will/should work rather well with Odysseus being the Achaean King who had the most common sense!
Odysseus went there, built a horse and then went back home which took him many years.
@@5Andysalive Well, At least he didn't accidentally sack the wrong city or Blabber his weakness to the SISTER or his enemies.
@@aeigdiusflaviusquintus1337 Was he trying? He took a few years to find his own home. Someone must have lead him to Troy.
A lot of Romans would have said Odysseus was a ratbag. They were hardcore for Aneus.
Odysseus killed a lot of people out of paranoia, be he was basically alright. He was a bit too smoothe. People sure did like giving him presents but he would be like, just toss it on the pile.
@@thumper8684 Yeah, however, the Romans would mainly have a negative opinion of Odysseus as he was a Achaean, while the Romans as you might know claim decent from the Trojans. Odysseus can overall be seen as smart but to the Romans this is interpreted as sly and/or cunning.
HISTORY LESSON TIME! HISTORY LESSON TIME! HOORAY!
Well, kind of history, more legendy type things... it’s still from MATN though, so it’ll be amazing!
Must be legend. Paris is nowhere near Greece.
Anyway. Jon explaining the "mechanics of Love" is what i look forward to.
All hail Jon and his rants about classics, and rest in peace Paris, 'cause I smell a character hitman.
Um gods are literally mentioned in The Histories and are therefore historical cannon
Jon: "I'll be having myself a nice little pocket of high ground"
*Obi-Wan liked that*
I couldnt tell if the harpies were literally harpies, or just female human warriors called harpies. If it's the latter it makes some level of sense. The island is called Lesbos, and has a bit of a reputation.
Jon, you're not eating your enemies, you're raiding their camp and stealing food from there!
I see we are of one mind on this occasion.
Yeah, I just assumed you were taking enemy provisions as well.
Nah, the tooltip says that you are ransoming them. But I prefer Jon's way of thinking :D
**you** might be raiding their camp. Jon is eating them. :D
@@JulieanGalak Fair enough :) Then again, knowing Jon, I wouldn't be surprised if he did that on accident. Like, he wanted to ransom them but got confused, ate them, and then tried to ransom their food supplies :D
Jon: Paris is gloomy so my soldiers have a morale debuff, oh well, I don’t have time to fix that.
Also Jon: why are my linemen running away?
Proposal: Kong Rong/ Paris team-up featuring Archery, Arts, and having Epic Wives
Despot Perun The Wise of Serbia We really should.
@@Lolavs The meet-ups aren't good enough for you.
32:08 = "It's over Philomedes! I've got the High Ground"
[I know, that was a bad joke, I'll now see myself out]
There's something satisfying in Philomeides's troops putting a decent fight after Jon's bragging how much he's going to wipe the floor with them :)
Loved the spiffing brit shoutout
I believe Paris is being cast as a Saturday-morning villain because he exhibits all the relevant traits - cowardice, arrogance, a sexy voice, impotence in bed, an aptitude for inducing adultery in himself and others- you know, all the good stuff
Also not sure why he's saying Total War did a character assassiantion on him - Homer already has that covered
Also, isn't all that stuff what we get from the Illiad? In other words, Paris is cast as the villain because he's the villain of the Illiad?
Pretty accurate according to Homer.
Ah yes, why would we want to assassinate the character of Paris... the wife stealer. The coward that ran from Menelaus in a 1v1 duel for Helen. Yep, just an upstanding guy that Paris
Unlike Aeneas who save many lives, fought in duels against all sorts of people. Didn't steal anyone's wife too, although he did become "good friends" with Queen Dido of Carthage.
@@plaidpvcpipe3792 queen Dido? Isn't that way later?
please do a part 2, i love when you discuss history mid game. made odyssey really fun to watch.
The thing is he's not allowed, the game developers made it so only 90 minutes gameplay is allowed
*Pretty sad*
@@diavolo3436 good point. well i can hope he does a few episodes when its released at least lol
@@catalyst336 yeah
It's so much like Warhammer 2 that Jon even plays his faction here like Scaven, with the expendable fodder troops and the insane ranged-units!
"Oh these slings are good for the money" Oh god Jon NOT AGAIN!!!!
I like how he subtly, nonchalantly mentioned Spiffing Brit😂🤫
You got your hands on the campaign part of this game and you DIDN'T call the video Troy Story??? I am disappointment
I agree
Son, I am disappoint.
Paris Victory:
When you win a battle but suffer such losses your army need a long rest.
I want to see an army of only Minotaurs.....
Of course lol
The moment you mentioned Spiff I instantly thought you two would be very good friends and now I cannot stop shipping this relationship.
Love how he explains everything. It is very helpful and its also great to watch
I just went down to the comments to see whether anyone picked up on that "I've got plenty of good wood coming in" line.
Spiffing Brit has been challenged.
Ive never really watched these type of games but jons character assassination in the last video sold me
Interesting; you're a far more competent player than "the other guys" whose videos of Paris' campaign I watched. Look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Asking again... what happened to space rome?
Answer me jon.
One of the Stellaris series, the one with the space romans.
Come for the total war, stay for the mythology and history, and especially the character assassination of mythical figures
Heres to hoping for more games that give you an excuse to give fun facts
I'm gonna be real, I clicked just because of the amazing pun! Best I've heard in some time!
Alternative joke: What does John Travolta drive in Athens?
His Greece Lightning
9:15 your enemies had a supply train of their own, Jon. You didn't eat the enemies, you ate their stuff.
Hahaha! I had the same thought. I was perplexed why Jon would immediately go the cannibal route instead of the more logical supply train route.
@@nopenoperton5448 He's played too much Fallout in the course of his life.
1:02:53 that was a change in about 700 food per turn from removing an army. It always felt pricey on WH2, but this is nuts.
CA better be using all these releases to develop "Medieval 3: it's about damn time"
God damn, your pun game is on point. You roll these things out like you're desecrating Hector's corpse.
the amount of ammunition carried by the javelins is ridiculous, most soldiers carried 3-5, how can you carry 15 without a cart? if you reduce the ammo and simply make javelin soldiers a lot cheaper or better at cavalry
Is Paris gunna be sent on a training montage with...
Philoctetes, the trainer of heroes!
Are there heavy javelin units that are tanky?
WAIT I TAKE THIS BACK TOO, JAVELIN THROWERS ARE ACTUALLY GOOD AT MELEE AS THEY ALWAYS SHOULD HAVE ALWAYS BEEN!
dunno why the majority is throwing so much shade at troy, this looks so fresh and fun!
The resource mechanics remind me a bit of Kohan Immortal Sovereigns now
Small tactical suggestion. Instead of forming your infantry into long walls of units try spacing the units out so the infantry blocks are roughly 3/4 the width of a unit apart. Melee units in front with ranged units behind, positioned to fire through these gaps you've made in the front line. When deployed correctly your army should be laid out in a checkerboard-like pattern. You'd think this would be very vulnerable but because of the way the AI works enemy infantry cannot move through those gaps if any portion of their line intersects with your front line. This allows a single melee unit to block multiple enemy units maximizing the efficiency of the front line while always leaving your back line a clear field of fire on the enemy.
Love how they used Cadmean Victory instead of Pyrrhic Victory
I like how Jon skips nicking enemy supplies right to cannibalism.
I guess he's too used to playing Skaven.
I'm sure that island is just a migratory stop for harpies 😜
1:17:57 “this fight in a corn field is going well”
Jon, a trained classicist regarding the Homeric era Greece and Anatolia (definitely not a trained biologist)
In British English, corn means grain, not maize.
Mike Moss oh, never heard about that. I mean it’s still Jon so anything’s on the table. In all seriousness though thanks for the correction.
Jon you sat there talking about the slope then proceeded to not make use of it at all. 35:00
am really looking forward to the full series Jon, more MATN history lessons
Great video, I love how you talk!
Jon those harpies are recruit-able on the isle of Lesbos. Considering the Lesbian history/stories associated it would make sense that Harpies existed there, Think about the sorts of men who would be arriving during this period, young men with *cough* urges, and what they would think of women who don't swing that way. Calling someone a Harpy would be a probable insult for such teases wouldn't it? :)
All the cities are wrong. Jon, please RTW. You know it's the best.
"Where's the food come from?"...enemy rations obviously....You thought it was cannibalism, didn't you!
One thing I am excited is the fact that it all happens in a small time span, which means characters wont die of old age
part 2 in the ongoing series "Jon really hates Aeneas"
Jon.
The food is picked up from you looting the camp/supply train of the opposing army.
I love the shoutout to SpiffingBrit! :)
"this fight inside a cornfield or whatever"
jon....
That spiffing brit line was absolute gold
Food would be in their logistics train, Jon! They would have food with them.
Would love to see a blue dragon play through off you!! Keep up the work my man!
Be the man that rewrites history, Jon. Play a series as Aeneas when Troy releases.
"eating up my wood" "what I want really is a nice tight choke"
The Greec-e horse gets the bronze?
I'm sorry i don't know classics I'm trying
Jon’s History Lesson type videos are better than just showing off the games, but damn his gameplay is entertaining
its sad to see that they removed sea battles in these games, that used to be my favorite part of the total war games
hope we get a full play through of this
Paris/Alexander (Yes he is also called Alexander), the king of the Wimps
Disappointed that Eris isn't one of the gods you can warship. All hail Discordia!
Does anyone else just hate the new total war UI? I know it’s weird but I much preferred Attila and Rome II’s visuals. Bit more muted and easier on the eyes
I'm also not a fan of these "hero" units. What's so bad about a general's bodyguards?
I’ve been looking forward to this
Listening from 18:00 - 22:00 was very sureal as a real life Helen
just a thought... slingers should focus on missile and the archers should Focus the spears and swords :)
"But what a bloody mess". Well, yeah, MATN... War usually is.
I’m barely 10 minutes into the video and I already want this game
I wonder how skirmish or custom battles work
Would they use the new multi-resource
Or just food
Or even gold
How would siege battles work in skirmish
Are you allowed to make siege towers, Trojan horse, and wrath of Poseidon for that
I'm interested to see how this works
"What I want, really, is a nice, tight choke." - Jon, 2020.
"Gold Gilders"
Yo dawg I heard you like gold.
9:15 I'm assuming that's meant to represent you taking the other army's supplies, not cannibalism lol
"I don't know why they are character assassinating Paris". Fucker seduces a king's wife and single handedly kickstarts a war but too limpdicked to stand in a 1v1 duel that could have his people, lets his protective big brother do it instead who dies for him, then keeps hiding behind the walls as long as possible until his city gets burnt down THEN graceously picks up a bow finally to shoot like one arrow.
I was going through tv tropes on the topic of what an idiot and Paris show's up in there below is what was there.
Paris has been chosen as a judge to determine who's the most beautiful at a wedding feast by giving his choice an apple labeled as "For the Fairest". Aphrodite, Hera, and Athena all try to bribe him - Hera offers world domination, Athena offers genius smarts and martial skill, and Aphrodite offers the love of the most beautiful woman in the world.
You'd Expect: Paris to choose Hera and gain a royal harem as part and parcel of World Domination, or to choose Athena and use his smarts to gain World Domination and aforementioned harem. Just about every person who has read the myth has thought this at some point.
Or: If Paris won't have any woman but Helen, he could still choose one of the other goddesses and use their bribes to get her. In Hera's case, the idea of being given World Domination does suggest that you'd get sufficient military resources on hand to keep the world in line, which he could use to sort out anyone who tries to get Helen back. In Athena's case, you'd think that he could use his smarts to come up with a way of getting Helen without causing a huge amount of trouble.
Or: Toss the apple to Hestia (she who tends the hearths of Olympus), Demeter (she in charge of all plant life), or maybe even Persephone or Amphitrite, to Take a Third Option.
Or Even: Paris could say that he, a mere mortal, cannot be great enough to choose who, out of the three Goddesses is the most beautiful (not to mention realizing that, no matter who he chooses, two powerful Goddesses will be angry with him for not choosing them).
Or Perhaps Even: He could have given it to the bride (since the bride is the most beautiful woman in the world in her wedding day) and gain the grudging approval of all three. Hera's dominion includes marriage - she can't object without mocking her own power; Aphrodite's is love - she has to stay her hand for pretty much the same reason; Athena, as a goddess of intellect, would also probably approve of this display of guile and skill. And to boot, he'd ingratiate himself with the hosts.
Instead: Paris chooses Aphrodite and gains the hand of an already-married queen, with most of the armies of Greece bound to rescue her, as well as the enmity of two of the most powerful goddesses in the pantheon. Cue The Trojan War.
In Addition: In some versions the apple is put there to sow discord by Eris, the goddess of spite, who for some reason Paris thought it would be a good idea not to invite. It's not like she'll hold a grudge or anything...
That would be the rational thing indeed but it would be a bit lacklustre a story to make a series out of, don't you think? You need some drama for all the sequels and prequels. Besides, Paris was probably thinking with his little brain...
You don't get to be a legendary Greek hero by always doing the logical thing.
Ah yes, Troy Story.
Anyone else get a lot of Sid Meiers civilisation vibes from this game. Not saying it's a bad thing, i like the combination.
1:00:03 = Goddamnit Jon. . .
The food you get when you defeat an enemy army may just be their supplies they had with them, if you need a viable explanation why that is :)
Please, please, please do a full UA-cam series of this game, like the one you did for 3 kingdoms. Not live stream, a recorded one.
I didnt see but do different resource exploits give different garrisons? Like bronze territories give better troops, wood and food more quantity, stone...i dont know better defensive position?
I really really really want a dedicated illiad video...
Would be preeeetty nice...
With Jon even the most boring parts would be absolutely brilliant and hilarious.
Just sayin
Did the Trojans get all the bow Gods on their side? They had Appollo and Artemis. Did that mean the Greeks could never shoot straight?
knowing spiff's exploits he will beat the game on turn one and be king of troy in minutes
Not really that interested in the game, I'm just here for the history/mythology lesson.
9:08 don't you think the army would bring food with them? cmon jon
The diplomacy system looks much more like Stellaris, which is awesome
I don't know if you can tell us about this but how was the pre-release build optimization?
The beauty of history
Great... other video please! I love it 🇬🇷❤️
hopefully, this game is good. It feels like the historical team is barley even trying with their games.
looks cool!
Does Jon have a really lossy recording setup? UA-cam says 1080p60fps but no no no no, I'm not so sure.
They went straight for the Orlando Bloom version didn't they?
YES ARROW GUY
Thanks 4 the show manyatrunerd
Is it just me, or does it seem mechanically beneficial to keep putting Helen in harm's way? Let her get captured and then rescue her. (Kinda like Mario. :D)