The Villains Tribe is insane and has only increased its stock with age. 4 winners. (Parvati, Sandra, Tyson, Rob) 4 runners up (Danielle, Russell, Coach, Courtney) and Jerri who made it to day 38. It is the most successful tribe.
@Peter McGill yeah but in an all winners season It's pretty obvious, heroes vs villains was not an all winners season, + It didn't have all these rivalries, Rob vs Russell, Sandra vs Russell, Parvati vs Jerri, I mean c'mon villains tribe is the best ever
Boston Rob should not have been given the opportunity to get to the JURY phase in Dedumbshit Island. 2 people playing for the 3rd time, 3 others playing for the first of numerous seasons, 15 others playing for what history has shown before that season would most likely be their ONLY season. Redumbshit Island............I stopped watching that season after the end of the 7th episode. STUPIDEST JURY EVER.
Almost; except for Danielle and Sandra. Yes, Sandra. I don't think people would really give a shit about Sandra if she didn't win 2 times. I think Sandra's an asshole
@@siwap3809 ik what you mean- i honestly think Parvati should’ve won, but Sandra won instead- So Sandra was the first person to win twice which makes her a legend- But besides that she hasn’t really done anything else so i see what you mean
Alexandra .Willitts how heroes in front of villains? Also, Micronesia wasn’t that good. Even Amanda wasn’t that much of a favorite. Johnny Fairplay did Jeff wrong and will never play again. Parvati, the winner of the season was never a favorite in Cook Islands. She only became a favorite towards the end of the season along with Amanda. Yau-Man wasn’t exciting, and the season’s excitement was horrible, the fans ruined it. (Btw I still love Micronesia cast, but no more than the villains) and heroes was crap.
It really killed me when Jeff said that Parv was on the villains tribe cause she lead one of the most notorious female alliances of all time... like?? Who was in that alliance with her?? Two people on the heroes tribe!!
@@gqprince2 actually Amanda admitted to ozzy that she knew ab the blindside and never told him bc she wanted him out too, cirie is a master manipulator and strategist. I don’t understand how Amanda or cirie got placed in “heroes”
well tbf, if either Cirie or Amanda won Micronesia, Jeff would've said they led the brigade instead. it's just that Parvati won, so she takes the credit
In the post merge of HvV I remember it being just so painful watching the heroes slowly go down. The biggest train wreck moment was when Amanda was fighting for that idol clue on the reward and Colby convinced her to GIVE IT TO DANIELLE. Poor girl had no one who would strategize with her in that post merge
I think production may have told Amanda she had to give it to Danielle since she found it. Clues and Idols are considered personal belongings to the players who find them. What killed me most was how many times Sandra opened the door. She warned them about Russell and would have flipped her vote had they voted for him. She became a swing vote the very next time, but Candice decided to join Russell despite her warnings. She could have saved Rupert and Colby at final 6 and guaranteed one of them a spot in the final 4 had they again NOT TRUSTED RUSSELL!
Yeah it’s absolutely brutal, like Sandra was RIGHT THERE! It’s good that all the heroes voted for her in the end cause she really did try and save them. I was ten when HvV aired and Micronesia was one of of the only older seasons I had seen, so watching Amanda go down the toilet bowl while Colby just sat there was one of the more painful moments for me personally
Lauren Herweyer I think someone above is right about Amanda having to give that clue back. Still, Amanda had no chance. She was wary of giving Russell the idol, Candice flipped when they needed her, and heroes tribe pre merge was a disaster. Her lie to Parvati was horrible though. Oh well. I am a huge Amanda fan but her winning season 20 didn’t seem to fit
it was absolutely the heroes’ own fault that they failed, and they knew that. they trusted russell for literally no reason, they just manufactured this all girls alliance idea in their head, and then alienated sandra multiple times. they then fractured and let candice turn on them. colby was also pathetic the whole season.
Same with Boston Rob! which just goes to show that Parvati is the Goddess of Survivor and Boston Rob is The Godfather of Survivor. My top 2 favorite Survivor players of all time.
8/10 of the Villains reached Final Tribal Council at least once in their Survivor career (Parvati, Sandra, Rob, Courtney, Tyson, Russell, Coach and Danielle), 4 of them were able to reach it twice (Parvati, Rob, Sandra and Russell) and 4 won (Parvati, Rob, Sandra x2 and Tyson)... Who can beat that?
Everyone. But the real question is: Who actually expects the Heroes to win/who thinks heroes are more entertaining than villains?! The answer is nobody.
Love your content !! keep up with it and numbers will go high up immediately I am sure. Theres still not a lot high quality survivor yt channels and this is seriously good. Hope to see more weird videos like the one about occupations :))
I would actually argue for Zeke being a game changer for being a driving force in that final 10 rock draw in MvGX. It was a bold move that had way more risk involved for both sides than any of the previous rock draws in Survivor history. HOWEVER, if that's the only criteria then why couldn't we bring Hayden Moss back instead? He was amazing in the final 6 Tribal of BvW.
Hayden should've been a game changer instead of Ciera, because he was a bigger driving force behind the final 6 rock draw than she was. If he doesn't get the vets alliance to slip up and reveal that Ciera isn't going to final 3. she likely never goes to rocks
@@NYChica23 oh for sure. Although I'm fairly certain she was brought back because "she voted out her mom!" Which I at least respect in the grand scheme of things since it showed the Blood Vs. Water theme taken to its logical extreme. Plus they need the equal gender ratio thing so she took that spot. Honestly, knowing everything we know now about how that season worked out, put Hayden in there instead of Jeff Varner. I loved the casting choice after the absolutely bonkers first few episodes of Cambodia but his exit was ugly as hell and I doubt we would get anything like that with Hayden.
@@msnmpn7 I doubt it as well, because Hayden's very smart when it comes to knowing how to play the social part of the game, so I think he'd have correctly read the room and figured that outing Zeke would not go well for him, and kept it quiet instead
I think they brought back Zeke for the sole reason that producers thought he would be a very popular player, which he wasn’t. At least not popular enough to bring back immediately.
@@b.k.9797 except they also brought back Hali Ford and Sierra Dawn-Thomas even though they were not exactly popular players from a popular season. I think Zeke was popular enough to be brought back, and was just enough of a gamer after what happened at that final 10 tribal in MvGX to back him up.
This channel is so good. I've watched several videos in a row. I agree with this list overall. The Bikal tribe was a returnee head scratcher. I had been off season with SOPA and OW, so I was unfamiliar with several of these returnee options. In my opinion, a realistic version of this tribe should've been.. Brenda Erik Corinne Phillip Malcom Natalie B Holly Stephen Fischbach Sabrina Thompson Terry Dietz
I think the heroes should by higher. Yes, their gameplay was lousy, but these are big name players that deserve their spot on the season. Hard to pick replacements.
Nice list!! Thank you for doing it! I want to see season 43 have some legends return. Also if the fire tokens stay i want them having a better dynamic and payoff especially.
I think the questionable choices in Blood vs Water were definitely a result of their more interesting loved one. That's gotta be the case for Kat, Aras, and Laura at least. Monica's husband is moderately famous outside the game as well so that makes sense. Colton...well he makes for interesting TV and the type of relationship was a unique amongst the cast (rather than casting another mother/daughter or boyfriend/girlfriend duo.)
Bikal: Andrea - Some-what a favorite Brandon - NOOOOOOO, DEFINITELY NOT A FAVORITE Brenda - Favorite Cochran - Yeah, he's a favorite. Corinne - Is a favorite depending on who you ask Dawn - Crymommy, not a favorite Erik - Favorite Francesca - I mean, people like her Malcolm - The most favorite Favorite Phillip - Entertaining, but not a favorite
I would classify Andrea, Brandon, Cochran, Corrine, Malcolm, Erik and Phillip as "favorites" cuz they were all either likable or entertaining enough to have a following. Brenda average fans completely forgot about. Dawn didn't do anything memorable. Then Francequa was literally the first person voted off her season. I think the only reason she got brought back was cuz Phillip was playing and they loved how he always butchered her name.
@@gavinobambino4142 Some people liked him because he was trying to the good guy his first season. People forget he had a really good shot at winning had he made it to the end. Really though I consider him a favorite because he provided entertainment. Like Phillip, even if you don't like him he did crazy things. In a very boring he season he was one of the few things that kept people's interest.
Whoever did the favorites casting for Caramoan should've taken a lesson from Malakal and cast actual favorites, because when Parvati is the only one on that tribe who doesn't immediately stick out as a fan favorite, then you know you've got a great cast (And sorry Parvati fans, but she really was not much of a favorite following CI) Also, I would've rioted had you put anyone except the villains at 1
Chapera ALSO gave us that fake tribal council, where they all pretended to be the Saboga tribe at their first tribal council and acted out how they thought it would go down. Highlights (for me, anyway) include Rob C as Jeff, Sue as Jenna and Rudy, and Amber as Tina. One of my favorite things from the the season, hands down. And I think it was only an extra they aired during the reunion.
I actually loved Dawn before Caramoan and was happy to see her back...lol Yikes... I was also happy to see Monica Culpepper again... Double yikes... She was entertaining in BvW though. I enjoyed her. What a neat lady.
Chapera was top tier. Not only did they give us Romber, but the budding bromance of big Tom and rob (until he was voted out). They were constantly having fun and I always just wanted to watch more of them during the episodes. One of my favs
14:20 "And you can't swap a single person out for anyone else." Danielle: "Am I not a joke to you?" Sandra: "Since when is it villainous to yell at Fairplay?" Shane: "I'm gonna kill you guys in your Los Angeles apartments." Rob C: "My magic 8 Ball says I should have been there." Okay, in fairness, I don't know who I would replace with Shane or Cesternino. I'm not even sure about Randy. I still think that Sandra's inclusion on the cast in general was 100% justified, and I loved her dynamics with the other villains, especially Courtney. I was mostly heartbroken that she was never able to team up with Rupert, thanks to CANDICE. Those two were one of my all time favorite alliances. But Danielle? Unlike Amber, Rob, and Parvati, she didn't even improve her stock on her second go around. And she wasn't even the second most villainous person on Casaya. Maybe not even the third, if you consider Bobdawg. Is she really just here because Survivor didn't want two Courtneys on the same tribe? It never bothered them before or after (see: Rob, Jimmy, Kelly, etc). At least "we can't have half hour cast be from Micronesia" (i.e. lack of Natalie Bolton) is an actual reason. Not enough of a reason to justify including Danielle imo, but still a reason.
Mogo mogo was indeed stacked on paper, but like Jeff said: Survivor's theme is that on a given day in the right circumstances anyone can win, or in this case, lose. The circumstances were SO bad for them. First they lost Jenna to family problems (she was at least on paper one of the strongest women to ever play up to that point). They probably would have entered the "absorption" challenge intact with 6 players otherwise. Then Rich pulled his stupid stunt in that challenge where Probst also made a bad call that favoured Chapera resulting in MM's first tribal. Then...yeah...Lex playing for 9th place lol and taking out the strongest challenge competitors.
jesse s I personally don’t see her as either a hero or villain but Jeff said he saw her move as heroic because she wanted to stay loyal to her original alliance or Adam and Parvati, also maybe they wanna put her in the hero role cos she clashed with Penner who was definitely a villain
Athens Bartelli I can sort of see that but at the same time that tribe she was on was doing well and she would have seen them shortly after. I just think the way she mutinied was so dirty that it makes her a villain (one of the best moments in the shows history)
@@gqprince2 really? She mutinied from her tribe (forcing Jonathan to go with essential) and leaving the other 4 to essentially be picked off. All because she was horny for Adam...
Now that winners at war has concluded maybe a ranking of seasons? I personally still think heroes vs villains was the best season to date. Would love to know your opinion!
For me........... 1) Heroes vs. Villains 2) MIcronesia 3) All Stars 4 - ?? I love most of the seasons before HvV more than I do those that came after, but I can put One World and Cambodia in my top 10 somewhere. So 8 seasons before and including HvV, 2 after.
yes please do this as a video in the future that would definitely be interesting to see fully expecting (if that video does happen) for IOI to be at the bottom lol
for me- Most rememerable 1. Malakal (great game, black widow) 2. Villians (great chemistry in tribe, Boston Rob great leader and Russel Hantz and Parvati great moves) 3. Saboga (for me very likeable tribe with nice people)
You really need to consider the context behind Lex and Kathy's jury speeches. Back then, it really wasn't just a game. A large part of it was a jungle adventure with their friends, it was a totally different game back then, and it actually makes sense in context
I think Corrine would have been an interesting addition to the Villains tribe over Danielle but I still love what we got and wouldn’t trade it for anything.
I'm always going to defend Brad as a game changer because I'd say that working out a way to "game the system" of Redemption Island on BvW qualifies as game changing enough.
That's totally fair. I actually was okay with Beastmode Cowboy coming back as a game changer because he was practically willing to die for the game... For me it was more, one or two of these tier of player is fine, but when 60% of the cast is them...
@@IdoledOut I think it could have been cool if they made the season something like "Top Dogs vs Undergogs." Have one tribe on the bonefied legends/game changers (winners/best to never win such as Ozzy, Cirie, etc.). The other tribe would consist of players who still have something to prove (Andrea, Caleb, Brad, Michaela, etc.)
"Lex and Kathy in particular really drag this tribe down in my opinion." Got that right. Kathy just pissed me off, especially when she referred to the way Jenna was acting about her mother as a "cancer" in the tribe, and Lex is without a doubt the biggest hypocrite ever to play Survivor.
The villains and Amanda were the best returner tribe to me. The only sensible heroes this season were Tom, Cirie, Stephanie, and Amanda. Three out of these four were voted out almost instantly. Poor Amanda shoulda been a villain and actually taken Danielle down for that clue.
Don't agree on Laura M.. She's a beast in the game and the only person willing to stand out against Russell on S19. She played a decent social and physic game and most of all is a better player than her daughter Ciera. Also Monica is a great player,too. She proofed herself and got a chance to win before her lousy FTC performance.
My ranking would be like this: 1. Villains 2. Malakal 3. Dakal 4. Ta Kao 5. Mana 6. Heroes 7. Sele 8. Chapera 9. Bayon 10. Mogo Mogo 11. Saboga 12. Galang 13. Nuku 14. Bikal
Okay, but Lex felt understandably betrayed. When you forge many meaningful relationships with other people only to discard them as if they meant little to nothing, there will be hurt feelings. This has been the downfall of many castaways who have made the finals.
Yeah, but Lex the entire game of All Stars was playing the way that Boston Rob was, saying it was only business and not personal, and cutting Ethan (one of his real life close friends)'s throat just a couple of rounds earlier, the way Boston Rob would do to him. It just looks very hypocritical.
the biggest snub of all time is that corrinne was busy with work commitments and couldn't be on heroes vs villains, so they put her on caramoan as a consolation. truly such a disappointment. (i do love danielle on hvv tho even if she isn't really a "villain" from what we saw in panama, other than betraying terry)
I could understand why Cochran, Brenda, and Malcolm were considered favorites, but the rest ranged from comparatively likely to others from their original seasons to downright despicable.
I feel like if you viewed them as a "Second Chance" tribe more than favorites then they fit perfectly which is so strange. Brandon - Played a super loyal game and was a follower. How will he change? Francesca - a likable player voted out first, how could she actually do given the chance to play? Phillip - Dragged to the end as a goat by one of the most dominant players. Can he learn from what he saw? Erik - Made one of thr dumbest moves in Survivor history, can he turn it around? Andrea - Fell victim to Boston Rob and was at the bottom of the alliance. Can she learn from that? Malcolm - Just shy of winning the game. Could he do it this time? Cochran - made a move that set the pace for South Pacific but it turned out to be the wrong one. Will he turn it around or make the same mistake? Dawn - Didn't tell Cochran he was making a stupid move. Can she take her game into her own hands this time? (Havent seen Corinne or Brenda'a original seasons)
Yul is so sweet and sexy. The Parvati Russell alliance!👍 He met his match and the other great Parvati alliance, the black widow or witches brigade was amazing!
Chapera gets rocketed up to number one just by the sheer fact that it contains Rob and Amber’s story. I don’t care what is happening on the other two camps, I want Chapera because I want Romber. Shelter building challenge? Okay, let’s see what fancy house Rob the construction worker builds for his girlfriend. Cold rainy night in Panama? Show me Romber cuddles. Chapera losing one challenge? We get a tribal council with lots of jokes aimed mostly at Boston Rob and mostly coming from Rob C. Y’all seeing the entertainment value yet?
Calling out Dawn on the Bikal Tribe... Dawn was one of the best choices to play again. Phillip, Brandon, & Francesca. Now those were some choices(?) when it came to casting.
Retire the trophy for Caramoan. I doubt the producers will ever ever arrive at such a casting disaster again. I think that the Edge of Extinction from Winners at War could be included on this list, and quite favorably at that. It wasn't a proper tribe per se, but it had a life of its own more so than any other Survivor "purgatories" thanks to the fire token concept. It significantly affected the game, and it was great to watch.
I still cant believe they left Candice Cody out for Game Changers.. she caused a Mutiny on both her first 2 seasons.. and had she went to play on Game Changers, shed have played after every 7 seasons
Galnang from Blood Vs Water is the most random of the returnee tribe. Like maybe i can understand Tyson, Aras, and Tina. But Gervase, Monica, Kat, Laura, Colton, and Laura Morett (Rupert by proxy) is the most random group of returning players left. And it’s so clear why Tyson won because he played against dummies
The Villains Tribe is insane and has only increased its stock with age. 4 winners. (Parvati, Sandra, Tyson, Rob) 4 runners up (Danielle, Russell, Coach, Courtney) and Jerri who made it to day 38. It is the most successful tribe.
And then you got Randy...the clear outlier lmao
@@um773 i love randy
"It is the most successful tribe."
Dakal - "Hold my beer"
@Peter McGill yeah but in an all winners season It's pretty obvious, heroes vs villains was not an all winners season, + It didn't have all these rivalries, Rob vs Russell, Sandra vs Russell, Parvati vs Jerri, I mean c'mon villains tribe is the best ever
Boston Rob should not have been given the opportunity to get to the JURY phase in Dedumbshit Island. 2 people playing for the 3rd time, 3 others playing for the first of numerous seasons, 15 others playing for what history has shown before that season would most likely be their ONLY season.
Redumbshit Island............I stopped watching that season after the end of the 7th episode. STUPIDEST JURY EVER.
The Villains tribe is basically consisting almost entirely of survivor legends.
Almost? Who's not a legend in this tribe? To me, even Randy is a legend, he was super entertaining in Gabon. Danielle is a legend too, she's a beast
Almost; except for Danielle and Sandra. Yes, Sandra. I don't think people would really give a shit about Sandra if she didn't win 2 times. I think Sandra's an asshole
@@siwap3809 Sandra still won twice, so (whether you like her or not) she’s definitely a legend.
@@phifdee she claimed the status AFTER HvV not before. and im still sad that it had to be Sandra of all people
@@siwap3809 ik what you mean- i honestly think Parvati should’ve won, but Sandra won instead- So Sandra was the first person to win twice which makes her a legend- But besides that she hasn’t really done anything else so i see what you mean
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Okay I was a bit annoyed bc I missed Courtney's personality..... It was a bit of a Russel and Rob show
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Alexandra .Willitts how heroes in front of villains? Also, Micronesia wasn’t that good. Even Amanda wasn’t that much of a favorite. Johnny Fairplay did Jeff wrong and will never play again. Parvati, the winner of the season was never a favorite in Cook Islands. She only became a favorite towards the end of the season along with Amanda. Yau-Man wasn’t exciting, and the season’s excitement was horrible, the fans ruined it. (Btw I still love Micronesia cast, but no more than the villains) and heroes was crap.
@@alexandra.willitts6988 how are the hero’s higher than the villains 🤦🏾♂️
It really killed me when Jeff said that Parv was on the villains tribe cause she lead one of the most notorious female alliances of all time... like?? Who was in that alliance with her?? Two people on the heroes tribe!!
Wasnt Amanda's idea to blindside ozzy. Amanda just a nice person. Parvati uses her charm and sex appeal.
Cirrie just super relatable.
@@gqprince2 actually Amanda admitted to ozzy that she knew ab the blindside and never told him bc she wanted him out too, cirie is a master manipulator and strategist. I don’t understand how Amanda or cirie got placed in “heroes”
Amanda is a hero in the sense that she played back to back seasons and made it to the end both times.
cirie is a hero for helping shane with his dick chafing
well tbf, if either Cirie or Amanda won Micronesia, Jeff would've said they led the brigade instead. it's just that Parvati won, so she takes the credit
In the post merge of HvV I remember it being just so painful watching the heroes slowly go down. The biggest train wreck moment was when Amanda was fighting for that idol clue on the reward and Colby convinced her to GIVE IT TO DANIELLE. Poor girl had no one who would strategize with her in that post merge
And ignoring Sandra who tries to save them
I think production may have told Amanda she had to give it to Danielle since she found it. Clues and Idols are considered personal belongings to the players who find them. What killed me most was how many times Sandra opened the door. She warned them about Russell and would have flipped her vote had they voted for him. She became a swing vote the very next time, but Candice decided to join Russell despite her warnings. She could have saved Rupert and Colby at final 6 and guaranteed one of them a spot in the final 4 had they again NOT TRUSTED RUSSELL!
Yeah it’s absolutely brutal, like Sandra was RIGHT THERE! It’s good that all the heroes voted for her in the end cause she really did try and save them. I was ten when HvV aired and Micronesia was one of of the only older seasons I had seen, so watching Amanda go down the toilet bowl while Colby just sat there was one of the more painful moments for me personally
Lauren Herweyer I think someone above is right about Amanda having to give that clue back. Still, Amanda had no chance. She was wary of giving Russell the idol, Candice flipped when they needed her, and heroes tribe pre merge was a disaster. Her lie to Parvati was horrible though. Oh well. I am a huge Amanda fan but her winning season 20 didn’t seem to fit
it was absolutely the heroes’ own fault that they failed, and they knew that. they trusted russell for literally no reason, they just manufactured this all girls alliance idea in their head, and then alienated sandra multiple times. they then fractured and let candice turn on them. colby was also pathetic the whole season.
This channel is SO underrated
Parvati's all 3 tribes is ranked in top 7. It just shows her charisma in game😍
She does the queen of charisma. She's so likeable
has she been in Dakal and not Sele this season, she would been 1, 2, and 3.
Same with Boston Rob! which just goes to show that Parvati is the Goddess of Survivor and Boston Rob is The Godfather of Survivor. My top 2 favorite Survivor players of all time.
@@ellanosek2622 I saw somewhere that Probst named them the two greatest players of all time as well
@@mynameissarah5117 he did he said it at one othe renuion specials too
Saboga is underrated af. Rupert’s shelter trainwreck and the fallout with Jerri was one of the best moments of All Stars
“Who was clamoring to see Dawn play again?”
Apparently Sherri was lol
8/10 of the Villains reached Final Tribal Council at least once in their Survivor career (Parvati, Sandra, Rob, Courtney, Tyson, Russell, Coach and Danielle), 4 of them were able to reach it twice (Parvati, Rob, Sandra and Russell) and 4 won (Parvati, Rob, Sandra x2 and Tyson)... Who can beat that?
Antonio P 2 both season 40 tribes lol
technically some of them only achieved this after hereos vs villains
And they have Jerri the best female villain and Randy a great character
"If your season is heroes vs villains, who's going to root for the heroes?"
My mom
ME..............
Everyone. But the real question is: Who actually expects the Heroes to win/who thinks heroes are more entertaining than villains?! The answer is nobody.
I was. I loved Rupert and JT. I hate Russel. I also am a Boston rob fan, and Sandra.
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The top 3 and especially the bottom 1 are pretty much locked 😂
Bikal was disappointing, only 3, 4 people on that tribe was likable
Love your content !! keep up with it and numbers will go high up immediately I am sure. Theres still not a lot high quality survivor yt channels and this is seriously good. Hope to see more weird videos like the one about occupations :))
Thanks for the feedback! Got some weird ones coming up!
I was going to riot if the villains weren’t #1. Thanks for not disappointing me
Ikr
“Rob and Amber, they’re gonna do it.” SURE DID YEA THEY DID 4 FREAKIN TIMES!
Rob was right
I would actually argue for Zeke being a game changer for being a driving force in that final 10 rock draw in MvGX. It was a bold move that had way more risk involved for both sides than any of the previous rock draws in Survivor history.
HOWEVER, if that's the only criteria then why couldn't we bring Hayden Moss back instead? He was amazing in the final 6 Tribal of BvW.
Hayden should've been a game changer instead of Ciera, because he was a bigger driving force behind the final 6 rock draw than she was. If he doesn't get the vets alliance to slip up and reveal that Ciera isn't going to final 3. she likely never goes to rocks
@@NYChica23 oh for sure. Although I'm fairly certain she was brought back because "she voted out her mom!" Which I at least respect in the grand scheme of things since it showed the Blood Vs. Water theme taken to its logical extreme. Plus they need the equal gender ratio thing so she took that spot.
Honestly, knowing everything we know now about how that season worked out, put Hayden in there instead of Jeff Varner. I loved the casting choice after the absolutely bonkers first few episodes of Cambodia but his exit was ugly as hell and I doubt we would get anything like that with Hayden.
@@msnmpn7 I doubt it as well, because Hayden's very smart when it comes to knowing how to play the social part of the game, so I think he'd have correctly read the room and figured that outing Zeke would not go well for him, and kept it quiet instead
I think they brought back Zeke for the sole reason that producers thought he would be a very popular player, which he wasn’t. At least not popular enough to bring back immediately.
@@b.k.9797 except they also brought back Hali Ford and Sierra Dawn-Thomas even though they were not exactly popular players from a popular season. I think Zeke was popular enough to be brought back, and was just enough of a gamer after what happened at that final 10 tribal in MvGX to back him up.
Cesternino was technically right
I found your channel last night, and I have literally watched every single video. You have great content! Keep it up!
This channel is so good. I've watched several videos in a row. I agree with this list overall. The Bikal tribe was a returnee head scratcher. I had been off season with SOPA and OW, so I was unfamiliar with several of these returnee options. In my opinion, a realistic version of this tribe should've been..
Brenda
Erik
Corinne
Phillip
Malcom
Natalie B
Holly
Stephen Fischbach
Sabrina Thompson
Terry Dietz
I absolutely love this channel so much
literally my favorite for survivor content 🤗🤗🤗
I think the heroes should by higher. Yes, their gameplay was lousy, but these are big name players that deserve their spot on the season. Hard to pick replacements.
Erik Schultz That’s probably way they were that low. They were big name players that made dumb moves 😂
One player- jt
Erik Schultz Yes. He made the move but no one else on his tribe stopped him, and also they didn’t listen to Sandra
Well Rupert did and nobody else besides him.
well, except for candice, she can be replaced imo
I have never in my life seen Survivor, and I never cared for it's existance, but I cannot stop watching your videos. I'm so hooked
Nice list!! Thank you for doing it!
I want to see season 43 have some legends return.
Also if the fire tokens stay i want them having a better dynamic and payoff especially.
#1 rightly deserved! This was a very good list! No complains about any of the placements.
I think the questionable choices in Blood vs Water were definitely a result of their more interesting loved one. That's gotta be the case for Kat, Aras, and Laura at least. Monica's husband is moderately famous outside the game as well so that makes sense. Colton...well he makes for interesting TV and the type of relationship was a unique amongst the cast (rather than casting another mother/daughter or boyfriend/girlfriend duo.)
Tyson dancing and goin "Umba woomba umba woomba" in Tocatins was one of the funniest Survivor moments.
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2. Iconic
1. The Villains
Bikal:
Andrea - Some-what a favorite
Brandon - NOOOOOOO, DEFINITELY NOT A FAVORITE
Brenda - Favorite
Cochran - Yeah, he's a favorite.
Corinne - Is a favorite depending on who you ask
Dawn - Crymommy, not a favorite
Erik - Favorite
Francesca - I mean, people like her
Malcolm - The most favorite Favorite
Phillip - Entertaining, but not a favorite
I would classify Andrea, Brandon, Cochran, Corrine, Malcolm, Erik and Phillip as "favorites" cuz they were all either likable or entertaining enough to have a following. Brenda average fans completely forgot about. Dawn didn't do anything memorable. Then Francequa was literally the first person voted off her season. I think the only reason she got brought back was cuz Phillip was playing and they loved how he always butchered her name.
@@ajl9772 How was Brandon liked?
@@gavinobambino4142 Some people liked him because he was trying to the good guy his first season. People forget he had a really good shot at winning had he made it to the end. Really though I consider him a favorite because he provided entertainment. Like Phillip, even if you don't like him he did crazy things. In a very boring he season he was one of the few things that kept people's interest.
@@ajl9772 Man, imagine if Brandon didn't give up immunity and actually ended up winning South Pacific
the villains get so much hype but nobody ever talks about randy. he and tyson are literally the perfect premerge comic relief
I REALLY just need you to rank all the survivor winners please
dont need to watch it to know the villains tribe is number 1
like there will NEVER BE another tribe that is so perfectly casted like this tribe.
except danielle, I don't care about her
Whoever did the favorites casting for Caramoan should've taken a lesson from Malakal and cast actual favorites, because when Parvati is the only one on that tribe who doesn't immediately stick out as a fan favorite, then you know you've got a great cast (And sorry Parvati fans, but she really was not much of a favorite following CI) Also, I would've rioted had you put anyone except the villains at 1
These takes are so accurate i watch this like once a week
Chapera ALSO gave us that fake tribal council, where they all pretended to be the Saboga tribe at their first tribal council and acted out how they thought it would go down. Highlights (for me, anyway) include Rob C as Jeff, Sue as Jenna and Rudy, and Amber as Tina. One of my favorite things from the the season, hands down. And I think it was only an extra they aired during the reunion.
that was a great one-liner at the end
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On the Bikal tribe, I would’ve had Natalie Bolton and Abi-Maria instead of Francesca and Dawn, and Troyzan & Kenny Hoang instead of Phillip & Brandon
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I’d love to see more of Kenny and Natalie. And less of all four people who were on the show. 👍
Also please replace Cochran or vote home out first.
dhaval desai He was almost voted out first in South Pacific I think
Suggestion:
Males - Erik, Danger Dave Ball, Kenny, Marty, Malcolm
Females - Natalie, Erinn, Brenda, Andrea, Sabrina
I’d take Phillip and Brandon every season over Kenny getting one more chance. Kenny was a hypocrite, can’t stand him.
I actually loved Dawn before Caramoan and was happy to see her back...lol Yikes...
I was also happy to see Monica Culpepper again... Double yikes... She was entertaining in BvW though. I enjoyed her. What a neat lady.
Chapera was top tier. Not only did they give us Romber, but the budding bromance of big Tom and rob (until he was voted out). They were constantly having fun and I always just wanted to watch more of them during the episodes. One of my favs
I'm sorry but did u just call Debbie mid tier player did you know she had 20 experience analyzing WATER. And girls with boobs should not be running.
I’m subbing for the last statement of make you a retunee to the channel alone 😂😂😂
Amazing vid dude! You should a ranking on worst tribes 😊
Loving the praise for the Villains tribe!
My Caramoan favorites cast list:
Same: Malcolm, Erik, Brenda, Cochran and Andrea
Other: Jason (16), Kenny (17), Stephanie (22), RC (25), Sabrina (24)
Jason and Kenny 1000%
@@aztecgoji I second that 💯
Corinne has to be there
14:20 "And you can't swap a single person out for anyone else."
Danielle: "Am I not a joke to you?"
Sandra: "Since when is it villainous to yell at Fairplay?"
Shane: "I'm gonna kill you guys in your Los Angeles apartments."
Rob C: "My magic 8 Ball says I should have been there."
Okay, in fairness, I don't know who I would replace with Shane or Cesternino. I'm not even sure about Randy. I still think that Sandra's inclusion on the cast in general was 100% justified, and I loved her dynamics with the other villains, especially Courtney. I was mostly heartbroken that she was never able to team up with Rupert, thanks to CANDICE. Those two were one of my all time favorite alliances.
But Danielle? Unlike Amber, Rob, and Parvati, she didn't even improve her stock on her second go around. And she wasn't even the second most villainous person on Casaya. Maybe not even the third, if you consider Bobdawg. Is she really just here because Survivor didn't want two Courtneys on the same tribe? It never bothered them before or after (see: Rob, Jimmy, Kelly, etc). At least "we can't have half hour cast be from Micronesia" (i.e. lack of Natalie Bolton) is an actual reason. Not enough of a reason to justify including Danielle imo, but still a reason.
Mogo mogo was indeed stacked on paper, but like Jeff said: Survivor's theme is that on a given day in the right circumstances anyone can win, or in this case, lose. The circumstances were SO bad for them. First they lost Jenna to family problems (she was at least on paper one of the strongest women to ever play up to that point). They probably would have entered the "absorption" challenge intact with 6 players otherwise. Then Rich pulled his stupid stunt in that challenge where Probst also made a bad call that favoured Chapera resulting in MM's first tribal. Then...yeah...Lex playing for 9th place lol and taking out the strongest challenge competitors.
I never understood why Candice was a hero. She literally had one of the most villain moves of all-time on Cook Island.
jesse s I personally don’t see her as either a hero or villain but Jeff said he saw her move as heroic because she wanted to stay loyal to her original alliance or Adam and Parvati, also maybe they wanna put her in the hero role cos she clashed with Penner who was definitely a villain
Athens Bartelli I can sort of see that but at the same time that tribe she was on was doing well and she would have seen them shortly after. I just think the way she mutinied was so dirty that it makes her a villain (one of the best moments in the shows history)
@@jesses5465 yeah I get that and her move definitely deserves more attention, she's a real game changer unlike sierra dawn-thomas and crap
She went to exile Island 4 times. I don't think her gameplay was villainess
@@gqprince2 really? She mutinied from her tribe (forcing Jonathan to go with essential) and leaving the other 4 to essentially be picked off.
All because she was horny for Adam...
Now that winners at war has concluded maybe a ranking of seasons? I personally still think heroes vs villains was the best season to date. Would love to know your opinion!
i agree hero’s vs villains is easily top 3 best seasons
For me...........
1) Heroes vs. Villains
2) MIcronesia
3) All Stars
4 - ??
I love most of the seasons before HvV more than I do those that came after, but I can put One World and Cambodia in my top 10 somewhere. So 8 seasons before and including HvV, 2 after.
@@alexandra.willitts6988 all stars is awful...
@@alexandra.willitts6988 all stars was terrible what-
yes please do this as a video in the future that would definitely be interesting to see
fully expecting (if that video does happen) for IOI to be at the bottom lol
Poor Andrea having her tribes be the bottom 2😭
I love the last (current) season so much. One of my favorites ever.
I agree with no 1 and no 2. I loved the Villains and Dakal most
for me- Most rememerable 1. Malakal (great game, black widow) 2. Villians (great chemistry in tribe, Boston Rob great leader and Russel Hantz and Parvati great moves) 3. Saboga (for me very likeable tribe with nice people)
The All Stars tribes have their own memorable moments but Chapera is the most fun
@@nvm9040 i hated Boston Rob in All stars. Chapera had a lot of egomaniacs.
Great Video Luke
how do you only have 118 subs
He doesn't anymore 😄
@@garnetBUNNIES well yeah 8 months later lol he's def blown up I'm glad I was within his first 100 subs
Stickin it to the other survivor channels. My man.
My boi coach... got me teary eyed
Malakal is one of my favorite tribes they all mesh so well together
You really need to consider the context behind Lex and Kathy's jury speeches. Back then, it really wasn't just a game. A large part of it was a jungle adventure with their friends, it was a totally different game back then, and it actually makes sense in context
Lex literally did the same thing to Ethan Rob did to him. He is just a hypocrite who got outplayed.
1 Villains
2 Sele
3 Mogo Mogo
4 Dakal
5 Favorites-Micronesia
6 Takeo
7 Mana
8 Chapera
9 Bayon
10 Heroes
11 Saboga
12 Nuku
13 Galang
14 Favorites-Caramoan
I think Corrine would have been an interesting addition to the Villains tribe over Danielle but I still love what we got and wouldn’t trade it for anything.
I heard Corrine was considered for the HvV season, but couldn't do it due to work constraints
I'm always going to defend Brad as a game changer because I'd say that working out a way to "game the system" of Redemption Island on BvW qualifies as game changing enough.
That's totally fair. I actually was okay with Beastmode Cowboy coming back as a game changer because he was practically willing to die for the game... For me it was more, one or two of these tier of player is fine, but when 60% of the cast is them...
@@IdoledOut Oh, totally agreed. The casting was jank overall
@@IdoledOut I think it could have been cool if they made the season something like "Top Dogs vs Undergogs." Have one tribe on the bonefied legends/game changers (winners/best to never win such as Ozzy, Cirie, etc.). The other tribe would consist of players who still have something to prove (Andrea, Caleb, Brad, Michaela, etc.)
@@survivornorthwest1326 cough cough David vs Goliath 2?
@@HolyAlondite Hali Ford even was like “I don’t know why they brought me back.” We all agree, hun.
"Lex and Kathy in particular really drag this tribe down in my opinion."
Got that right. Kathy just pissed me off, especially when she referred to the way Jenna was acting about her mother as a "cancer" in the tribe, and Lex is without a doubt the biggest hypocrite ever to play Survivor.
Like seriously he did that 3 tribals in a row.
Love your videos
The villains and Amanda were the best returner tribe to me. The only sensible heroes this season were Tom, Cirie, Stephanie, and Amanda. Three out of these four were voted out almost instantly. Poor Amanda shoulda been a villain and actually taken Danielle down for that clue.
I found it ironic with Lex when he did same thing to Colby and Ethan and would’ve done the same to Rob
Don't agree on Laura M.. She's a beast in the game and the only person willing to stand out against Russell on S19. She played a decent social and physic game and most of all is a better player than her daughter Ciera. Also Monica is a great player,too. She proofed herself and got a chance to win before her lousy FTC performance.
lmao boston rob is like "i literally could not care less"
My ranking would be like this:
1. Villains
2. Malakal
3. Dakal
4. Ta Kao
5. Mana
6. Heroes
7. Sele
8. Chapera
9. Bayon
10. Mogo Mogo
11. Saboga
12. Galang
13. Nuku
14. Bikal
Okay, but Lex felt understandably betrayed. When you forge many meaningful relationships with other people only to discard them as if they meant little to nothing, there will be hurt feelings. This has been the downfall of many castaways who have made the finals.
Yeah, but Lex the entire game of All Stars was playing the way that Boston Rob was, saying it was only business and not personal, and cutting Ethan (one of his real life close friends)'s throat just a couple of rounds earlier, the way Boston Rob would do to him. It just looks very hypocritical.
Lex wanted to play different unlike in Africa but nope Lex got betrayed after Rob went all business
I actually really liked dawn and I was happy to see her again and I believe she should have won
Keith: "Aw you're dumb!"
CousinMose31 did you just call me dumb you bastard
I would argue that Randy could be swapped out of the Villains tribe pretty easily
Yeah I would’ve replaced him with Fairplay
Richard was supposed to be on the villains but he was on house arrest
Bruh Casaya is the greatest tribe of all time. Villains is 2nd, but nothing beats Casaya, its just a bunch of sitcom characters
Ain’t it a coin in dev chow queen Danielle is on botj
the biggest snub of all time is that corrinne was busy with work commitments and couldn't be on heroes vs villains, so they put her on caramoan as a consolation. truly such a disappointment. (i do love danielle on hvv tho even if she isn't really a "villain" from what we saw in panama, other than betraying terry)
I could understand why Cochran, Brenda, and Malcolm were considered favorites, but the rest ranged from comparatively likely to others from their original seasons to downright despicable.
I feel like if you viewed them as a "Second Chance" tribe more than favorites then they fit perfectly which is so strange.
Brandon - Played a super loyal game and was a follower. How will he change?
Francesca - a likable player voted out first, how could she actually do given the chance to play?
Phillip - Dragged to the end as a goat by one of the most dominant players. Can he learn from what he saw?
Erik - Made one of thr dumbest moves in Survivor history, can he turn it around?
Andrea - Fell victim to Boston Rob and was at the bottom of the alliance. Can she learn from that?
Malcolm - Just shy of winning the game. Could he do it this time?
Cochran - made a move that set the pace for South Pacific but it turned out to be the wrong one. Will he turn it around or make the same mistake?
Dawn - Didn't tell Cochran he was making a stupid move. Can she take her game into her own hands this time?
(Havent seen Corinne or Brenda'a original seasons)
Yul is so sweet and sexy. The Parvati Russell alliance!👍 He met his match and the other great Parvati alliance, the black widow or witches brigade was amazing!
Chapera gets rocketed up to number one just by the sheer fact that it contains Rob and Amber’s story. I don’t care what is happening on the other two camps, I want Chapera because I want Romber. Shelter building challenge? Okay, let’s see what fancy house Rob the construction worker builds for his girlfriend. Cold rainy night in Panama? Show me Romber cuddles. Chapera losing one challenge? We get a tribal council with lots of jokes aimed mostly at Boston Rob and mostly coming from Rob C. Y’all seeing the entertainment value yet?
we were robbed of sophie and yul playing hard together at the merge in waw honestly AND peih-gee voted voted off premerge bc of abby’s damn bracelet😐
Villains 💜
Throwback to when my dad was convinced one of the Heroes was going to win on HvV …
nice vid
Tha Random.org comment really sent me 😂😂😂
Sometimes I forget Dawn wasn't on the fans tribe in Caramoan
Nice
Calling out Dawn on the Bikal Tribe...
Dawn was one of the best choices to play again. Phillip, Brandon, & Francesca. Now those were some choices(?) when it came to casting.
The only thing I liked about the heroes was their buffs and color.
The tribe that has Sandra will always be the best tribe of that season
Retire the trophy for Caramoan. I doubt the producers will ever ever arrive at such a casting disaster again. I think that the Edge of Extinction from Winners at War could be included on this list, and quite favorably at that. It wasn't a proper tribe per se, but it had a life of its own more so than any other Survivor "purgatories" thanks to the fire token concept. It significantly affected the game, and it was great to watch.
I love villain tribe
The ONLY flaw in the Villains, and I mean ONLY, was Randy. He was just shitty, boring, and pissy for the short time he was in the game
I still cant believe they left Candice Cody out for Game Changers.. she caused a Mutiny on both her first 2 seasons.. and had she went to play on Game Changers, shed have played after every 7 seasons
Galnang from Blood Vs Water is the most random of the returnee tribe. Like maybe i can understand Tyson, Aras, and Tina. But Gervase, Monica, Kat, Laura, Colton, and Laura Morett (Rupert by proxy) is the most random group of returning players left. And it’s so clear why Tyson won because he played against dummies
Ah, Brandon "I find you attractive so you're evil and seductive and need to go" Hantz.
Why was Jeff Verner on "Survivor: Game Changers?" 🤔
Who else saw #1 miles away ?
Will you put in the comments where the WAW tribes end up now after the season has ended
I agree that Villains had the best players as individuals, but if you look at the group’s chemistry you gotta go with Chapera.
I was thinking the same thing. Chapera dynamic was awesome. They only lost one immunity challenge.
Am I the only one who loves game changers?
The Villians tribe will always be the best.
Boston Rob
Russell
Parvati
Sandra
Jerri
Danielle
Tyson
Coach
Randy
Cortney
I love shii Ann
Randy you can't switch???