Why China Hot Presses Skateboards & USA Cold Presses Skateboards
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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"I’m just happy to push carve and grind and if I can flow and go… because really the best part of skateboarding is like you’ve got some vibration through your feet, some air on your face (cruising, right, yeah), you decided what you’re riding, where you’re at, who you’re with and what you’re gonna do with it"
did that totally resonate with anyone else?
I have more fun skating now that I'm an aging bowl troll slappy daddy than I EVER did as a try hard early 2000s flat ground skater kid.
"I AM THE SKATEBOARD!" -Dave Carnie
Nice
@@bennyb.1742100% agree. It’s about having fun not trying to reach some level that you will finally be satisfied. I totally get some people wanting that but, I’ve just learned that isn’t for me and to let go.
@@JosePineda-jn8jk I'm just doing the save thing...surfing high off the ground long board...and never actually ever considered my self to be "a Skater" I just like fun gear with wheels.
Hot pressing extracts more oil. Cold pressing makes extra virgin skateboard oil.
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Kaboom 😄
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I was thinking the same thing! Glad I wasn't the only one!
Cold pressing is better because skaters are virgins.
Bring some hot and cold boards on the show and feel them out. Very interesting.
Hot press epoxy is brittle like glass. With every pop it cracks, eventually your pop is dead. Where as cold press glue stays flexible. With every pop it flex’s.
Yep❤
Bingo
I didn't know about the hot/cold press shit but I've been skating since I was 9 and I 1000% know exactly what you're talking about
Its hot pressed before the epoxy beeing poured!Also,nowadays very few brands use epoxy or even the traditional graphics screen printed!Theres a reason why the 80´s boards were so hard to breack,and now you just need to stomp them right in the midle!Theres no brand or company that want to sell a product that will last a life time!!!Thats bad for the business ;) Most American Brands are made in China!!!Santa Cruz and Powell are the very few that still arent!!!
And what he said in America is cold press and China Hot pressed,is totally BS!!! There are American brands beeing produce in China under the same exact MO,if they did it Cold,cold it would be!Im a Rider,Team Manager,Product Developer and Graphic Designer for Brands over in the US and Europe!
@@guido69xt bough a roskop screaming face from a skateshop and it said made in fing china and has no pop. Made with birch i think. Its trash
lmao "it's too late now dubs" hahahahahah
4:18 I have a new-found appreciation because of this man's great comparison/explanation
The Professor knows the supply chain as well as he can Rip a ramp. Bless.
I remember having the idea of a dream sequence where Kelly is the host and he has his fakie tre fakie manual playing on a loop behind him. These maniacs went ahead and did it
He's awesome, love the way he calls everyone by their first name, legend
i havent touched a skate board in 20+ years and never did anything cooler than an ollie. LOL not sure how i got recommended this vid, but it was very interesting!! (i do have an engineering design degree) thanks guys!!
Best boards are Canadian Maple and cold pressed.
Not anymore. Carbon fiber is going to take over.
@@TacoTuesday4too expensive
Skull Skates baby. Still the best.
@@TacoTuesday4have you even ridden one for anytime?
Scary Perry boards are Canadian Maple lol
In the Mexican scene, most local brands simply buy the defective boards on factory and they put their logo on, it’s sad but it’s true.
That's why ANYTHING made in Mexico is SHIT, like Fluidmaster.
companies in all industries do this. see it alot in accessories for cameras and auto and tools.
I gotta watch this full episode. I wish you guys would have asked him about more about the early days of Schmitt Stix. Would have been cool to hear about his thoughts behind wheel creation like hubbed or cored wheels and his thoughts behind memorable boards like the Rip Saw or even Yard Stix, the long boards he made. So yea I gotta check the full episode.
He may have talked about that on his first episode
I only skated Schmitt Stix. They were the only decks with enough concave. Ripsaws were excellent. Had two of those. I only broke two decks over the years I skated BTW. I literally wore them out over time. But then I would skate trucks until I was almost all the way through the axel too.
@@keirfarnum6811 i had a really nice schmitt stix with indys from like the 80s, but a "friend" stole it and moved to canada.
Yep I love those old Schmitt Stix boards. My first pro model skateboard was a Schmitt Stix Lucero X2 in sixth grade back in the 80’s.
I want to get one of Andy's boards, they are so sick.... Just the fact that you can street skate and freestyle on the same board is right up my alley. Especially w/ that special grip tape he made to fit the board... That makes it an awesome tool to learn and I really want to try it out. I would do the fingernail trick or I'd use a rock to mark specific areas on my friends boards to teach them stuff so the fact that he does it and he designed this board makes me really want one.... I can't skate like I used to in my teens and twenties but I can still do freestyle and flat ground tricks in my 40s. 😅
NA not USA cold press....(most american boards are made in mexico)
I only use USA made boards
@@Daveeeeeeyhowyoudoing😂
North America includes Mexico 😐🫥
@@joicobbs1he said that… goofy
@@joicobbs1Thats what he is saying. The video title says united states and he was correcting that most North American boards are made in Mexico not the USA
I discovered this while making custom carbon fiber composite decks with the Roarockit vacuum press, I figured the Chinese factories were just using cheaper veneer but this makes a lot of sense!
I know a guy that does maple plywood molds at around 150ton and cured in minutes using some kind of Frequency curing. Everything has to be wrapped up in a faraday cage otherwise it messes with the nearby airport and such. They used to make high end plywood based furniture back in the 50's, now they make plywood forms for industrial manufacturing
That’s why girls and chocolate snap so easy 😂
I got a local board shop board and it fell apart at the plies while it was on my trucks and they said it was cuz I use allen bolts. lol. I am east coast.
The plies separated? Had nothing to do with the bolts you used. They lied to you.
We've prob all seen board making vids, it looks simple enough anyone can do it, right? The devils always in the details and wood veneers and resin can be easily cheaped out on
@@toynazi thats what im saying. they are hiding behind the no returns sign. lol
You'd get your money back in the bay area DLX wood is top shelf and it's always been great. This is also just my opinion
@@Elgreasyburrito650 he just keeps giving me another one at "team prices" when i explain to him they are crap. lol. im not getting hosed for another 46 dollars.
Apparently most Element decks are pressed in China. Explains why the last Element deck I had was FULL of stress cracks and the layers delaminated within a couple weeks of buying it.
They sucked in the early 2000s too.
@@zandiskoul I was about to say the same thing too lol. Like 2003/2004 I got an element feather light after having other boards obviously, and man something was just off with it. But I pretended to like it, couldn't tell my dad I didn't want it lol.
@@zandiskoul damn straight. I remember getting one and it had snapped within a few minutes of ollieing down a 7 stair. One of the worst decks I ever bought, along with Alien Workshop. Luckily the skate shop owner was a friend and he gave me a free replacement the same day.
Today I learned about nanotubes
It will be on the midterms 😂
Well the comments leave me more confused than when I started
Sorry but anyone talking about "China does this" is suspicious to me, usually when someone says that they are talking about the cheap stuff and ignoring that China doesn't only cater to the ultra budget.
I literally just read about China making the biggest advancements towards nuclear fusion. But people still they are an underdeveloped nation because they sell us a lot of shitty consumer goods lol.
What I'd give to have a session and a beer with Paul Schmitt! Man seems a proper legend alongside a wealth of knowledge!
Croeso i mynd i'r Gymru pob amser brawd! x You're welcome to come to Cymru [Wales] anytime brother! x
@@liggerz87 Sglefryddio brawd o Gymru!? A Skateboarding brother from Cymru!?
Shwmae a cariad fawr o'r De / hello and much love from the South!
Unfortunately though my fellow Cymro - I'm apart of the "used to skate" club. Wish my joints and bones still allowed what my heart and mind are still so passionate about! [playing Skate / THPS shall have to suffice! xD].
But I wish you nothing but success in your 4 wheeled journey brother - at whatever point you find yourself on it!
Keep kicking ass and kicking flips
Hmm, I'd like to see a double blind test.. see if skaters can really tell the difference, what lasts longer etc
That would be interesting to see actually, my guess is that skaters would be able to tell the difference but who knows
I think a really good test is pool drop ins with alot of aggression and a strong pump you'll know if you can trust the board or not
you'd be surprised how easy it is to tell. I mainly only skate north american skateboards and I recently tried a girl board and could instantly tell the wood felt different. it was too hard, like it had no flex, and almost felt planky if that makes sense
dubs was calling old World boards 'brittle cause of cold press' at the end.., however,, he must have meant the opposite.. cause its the hot press that's brittle he was saying
I think he inadvertently demonstrated that what Professor Schmitt was saying is somewhat bogus, or at least only one factor amongst many that define a board's characteristics.
Paul Schmitt is national treasure, protect him at all costs.
Never leave your board in the trunk makes it soggy
So thats why powell was so good back in the day
Powells sucked. They only got away with it because bowl and half pipes was the only kind of skating happening. But when street skating and ollies became a thing, Powell had to modernize.
@@keirfarnum6811 why would you even say that. old school street skating on Powell Peralta decks, wheels, and bones bearings contributed maybe more to the development of new school tricks than anything else ever.
We need some blind pop tests. Make it extra entertaining and use actual blindfolds.
never skated a day in my life, very interested in this title
this truly is the JRE of skateboarding, in the way that it confuses facts and makes up propaganda
😂😂
JRE has tons of interesting people from all walks of life: Beekeepers, journalists, astronauts, wilderness and animal experts, even Tony Hawk was on. That show will always introduce you to new concepts and information, and it’s generally entertaining. Plus Joe lets people finish their sentences. Only MSM is pushing propogada because they NEVER let opposing perspectives even get a sentence in 😂.
@@secretsauceskateboarding4337 JRE used to be OK but now he mostly just panders to the alt right angry white male anti PC backlash incel crowd who are so propagandized they can't even think straight. He never has anyone on to counter the other people he's had on his show so it's become very one sided.
For example he'll have on completely debunked people like Graham Hancock to talk about geology and archeology when Hancock is neither a geologist or archeologist, (he's got a degree in sociology...lol), simply because he's written a book with all kinds of ludicrous claims that nobody in those fields takes seriously and that there is no evidence for. But then Joe literally never has on any real archeologists to give a response.
Of course those Rogan anti pc backlash types then just say any criticism about those guests is just "conspiracy" by what? ......"BIG Archeology"....hahaha....to silence Hancock types....It's absolutely ridiculous how unintelligent his audience is.
JRE is now nothing more than an echo chamber for nonsense.
@@secretsauceskateboarding4337 the problem is that they have people who no decent human would give a platform to. Yes you have the right to say what you want, but some people need to be treated with nothing but disrespect and it needs to be understood that they are of no value.
....one of the first boards I had whas a handed down world industires with almost no tail left, and no nose...well now I know why it broke there.
Something to keep in mind, you can build quality or garbage products anywhere. Made in China isnt an inherent marker of low quality. However, companies usually dont send manufacturing to a place with crazy low labor rates when their primary concern is quality.
Worked with Chinese factories for 25 years. It's all bad quality.. but it's cheap..
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 Doesn't mean much, 95% of the products coming out of US factories are also all bad quality. Because they care even more about profit, but have to pay normal wages, so they make even worse products.
@@manchagojohnsonmanchago6367 I think it matters how much money you spend. A $500 Chinese pocket knife is way nicer and better quality than a $500 American made pocket knife. I've had great experiences when I've bought "expensive" Chinese stuff. Never buy the cheapest thing cause it is junk.
PS Stix boards always feel soggy compared to girl/chocolate so this is interesting lol. And they definitely feel soggy compared to BBS.
Yeah, I can't stand PS Stix boards; they got even worse when Covid hit and messed up the wood supply. Dwindle boards such as Madness from the same period MASSIVELY outperformed Schmitt's sticks, so I don't know what the heck he's getting on about saying the Chinese process is damaging the nanotubes. I got 1 damn month out of a PS Stix Lance Mountain deck before the nose fucking exploded. I rode a Sam Beckett Madness from Dwindle for over a year without it ever losing pop, cracking, or otherwise giving up on me. Board is still in the quiver with plenty of life left in it, lol.
This discussion doesn't pass the sniff test for me. Schmitt does a great job hyping himself with scientific-sounding talk, but his boards don't stack up to his claims. LOL
BBS are best to me
This explains why my darkstar deck was chipping away so easily when I was around 14-15 years old. Roughly 20 years ago
When i was in my prime i was skating Zero/Mystery boards, i was paying for them at wholesale price because i knew the guys at blackbox. They had boards made in Mexico and China, i started with the Mexico boards then i switched to the china boards. The Mexico boards lasted longer but the china boards were alot more poppy. I was switching them out every 2-3 weeks so I didn’t care bout longevity. Its all different nowadays, i had a girl board and damm it had soo much pop i couldn’t handle it
Every 2-3 weeks?! 😳. Damn dude! I had decks that I skated until the nose was gone and I was at the riser. I got good at nosepickers specifically because I had to hang five to make it work. You got spoiled.
@@keirfarnum6811 haha i had a job, but it also helped that i was getting mad deals for them lol
@@keirfarnum6811my boards got like that before I had any income. I smash concaves with my flip tricks and can’t stand when my nose or tail chips. So usually boards are getting switched out quick and I donate them to a local kid.
Wonder what his thoughts are on the impact light boards with the carbon fiber
just from a woodworking perspective, cold pressing should be preferred based on the physics of wood, wood movement, and glue properties.
I don't know why but this episode feels like that Always Sunny podcast episode..
Makes sense. The wood is used to being in cold conditions
Also the pre drying of the wood in china doest really happen, so hot press to get the humid layers to stick.
Ive honestly tried different boards and setups for 18 years because different boards make me try different tricks.. does anyone else do this?
I swear the only boards that way about was elements. They made me skate ramps better. Don't know if it was a placebo affect or what😅
Now this explains why those cheaper decks that only cost about $30 at Zumiez or so **** I bought one, and the thing is already falling apart. The layers are coming off.
I’m positive I rode a SMA Natas in 1989, if not earlier. And a Roskopp melting face for my first real board ever. So those were hot pressed?
I love listening to the professor. I have to be careful though. I am afraid listening to him too much will turn out like when I finally learned music theory after having already played the guitar for over ten years. It took the fun out, I started finding myself doing mathematics listening to music and I quit listening to Tool because the music theory side of me was just doing math the entire time.
I do pressure tricks and have broken your board behind and in front of the rear truck...
The majority of Chinese factories haven’t hot pressed boards for 20+ years.
I dont understand why some people in the US keeps underestimating China´s quality. So pathetic...
So he's not talking facts?
He’s a weird dude. He either genuinely has old info, which is very unlikely, or he’s trying to talk up North American factories (Mexico) because he runs one.
Shut up ...
@@andresarregui3417shut up
Hot press with contact cement
that cant work, contact cement bonds "on contact" so it would bond before it is placed in the mold, plus contact cement isn't really structurally very strong, nor waterproof , or heat resistant.
I like single press decks
I literally just met a guy who distributed Santa Cruz products in Europe like 20 minutes ago at this golf course in Canada. I'll have the interview on our Pirate Cat Radio show this Friday night.
Is there a difference with the appearance between cold and hot pressed boards? Like are you able to tell the difference visually?
No, you can tell by the weight however. Cold are a little heavier.
Too late now Dubs 🤣
There is a science to board making
What about vacuum press isn't that the way to go
Cold pressed is healthier
Because China still gets to use the good ole toxic glue.
Who is this crazy scientist? Wow
Well, you're asking him about a process that his competition uses, versus the process that he uses. Of course he's going to tell you all the negative things about the competition and all the positives about his stuff.
yes but only because the only negatives to cold pressing is it takes more time. which usually results in a superior product
Are you new to skating my man? Try his boards or BBS boards made in mexico vs santa cruz chinese trash, there is a world of difference. Dude knows what he is talking about.
Cmon dude. Chinese manufacturing is cheap across the board
Except you're completely ignoring the part where he explains it was an industry standardization thing, he explained how all the companies used hot pressing. You really don't appreciate the subtleties in things, do you?
Anything made in China is trash 🗑️
Why hide the fact canadian maple is from quebec
The crisp pop sound doesn’t lie !
That board on the table looks twisted
They'll convert to cold press now. Congrats.
I'm curious about the skate wax, i mean it's kind of obvious how it works, but if Mr. Paul Schmitt could brake it down, would be amazing. How does it work, why does it work, and whats the difrence between candle wax and skate wax
IT IS JUST A PTROLEUM BASED LUBRICANT TO CONTROL/REDUCE FRICTION MY GUY..
All questions Google could answer in seconds 😂....it's amazing how many smooth brains have a whole world's of information in their hands, but they dont have a single drop of intelligence to use it.
What brands does he press?
Why doesn’t the USA make a mellow tail anymore? It destroyed skateboarding for me.
Seems interesting
people are saying this old guy is lying or is misinformed ... what's the real truth???
I'm not into scateboards but he's correct about the precessing process, if I was making a stiff hard product id hot press like a school desk top or a serving tray. But if I made a springy thing like a bow I'd cold press with a softer glue and cure it for a few weeks or more. So yeah he's quite right.. from a laminate wood perspective
I'd be willing to bet Skull Skates cold presses their boards. Think they still make them all in Canada.
Super interesting
I’m not a mathematician or skater but I’m working on it
So interesting.
*everyone talking for 6 minutes about how hot pressed boards are inferior to cold pressed
Dude at 6:15: “oh they were cold pressed? That must be why they were so brittle” 🤦
Bro, I listen to these two guys yapping. I am confused too. Why are they talking like that? In China they hot press the boards. It messes up with the integrity of the board later. It makes them break faster. Right? Is that what they're trying to say?
went from skating schmitt stix to a santa cruz in the 80's & they would either snap or go floppy.
Same. Skated Schmitt Stix and had to go Santa Cruz when Schmitt went out of business. But I blew my knee out soon after and that Santa Cruz ended up being my last deck. It was definitely not as good as the Schmitt Stix.
This was interesting but it never really directly answered the questions people wanted to know. It was a messy explanation of what makes a board good
Sorry but he’s so full of sh*t PS Stix boards have been terrible for well over a decade. I used to ride them all the time back in the og girl/chocolate days, and later Habitat. But since then his boards have dropped significantly in quality. You never knew what would turn up if you ordered one online. It would either be so steep you could barely stand on it or it would be completely flat with more “fingers of flat” than kick. And let’s not forget his weird thing of drilling his mounting holes bigger than other brands for no clear reason. I know of at least two brands that switched to BBS from PS Stix because the boards were so inconsistent in press and quality. Also he seems to have forgotten that all the New Deal reissues are made in china.
damn why do you think his boards are so inconsistent and cheaper quality when hes supposed to be the "guru" of all this stuff and everyone refers to him for knowing everything about setup madness knowledge blah blah
I break all my boards behind the rear truck
I enjoy cold pressed live rosin daily.
Not a skateboarder, but there are a lot of places intuition can be powerful. We are a super computer with a high spec set of sensors!
Picking a board is like picking a watermelon.
I would use glue and epoxy in between the wood so they can last a bit longer
That’s how they’re made.
@@keirfarnum6811 oh I thought it was just mostly glue
WHAT IS MARY JONES??
6:09
why is China part of skateboarding?
I remember when Zoo York went to china wood in '07, sucked ass
Ever heard of split Chinese birch + hard rock maple marketed as made in America? It's a thing.
BTW, early Chinese decks were made from 100% Chinese birch. Sorry to the false informant in this video, but I'm glad you got a paycheck from your lies.
I stopped buying Chinese decks. They only last a month now.
Doesn’t girl chocolate press in China? lol
The majority I think are, there’s been a few reissues though pressed at PS Stix 👀
yes, and I've never noticed anything weird about their product
99 percent of the time I get made in Mexico boards. A couple weeks ago I decited to try a made in China board just to see if there was a noticeable difference. I skated for about 2 mins tops, missed a kickflip and the board already had a chip FROM A FLATGROUND KICkFLIP. Don’t know if I’m just unlucky but ya…not stoked. Also wanna add that the board feels totally dead, like it came waterlogged.
If you enjoy your board, who cares
So girl/chocolate are hot pressed?
If they are made in a Chinese factory. Apparently
I knew people who liked these and they'd be flexible by the end of the first session 🥲
The professor board guy is cool
Hey, where'd my comment about all my bad PS Stix experiences go? I've had no issues with Chinese pressed boards, but everything Schmitt has made lately has been absolute garbage quality - one slip out and your nose will explode/implode against the curb. Enjoy one month of deck life? Go with PS Stix, when you want to ride the worst mainstream boards money can buy.
Huh...interesting. supple/ticky is how I feel it...I think
This guy is full of…
watcha mean?
Board bussines is going walking dead for some next years. Sad true.
Buy American simple
do more research, simple. most boards are made in mexico anyway lol
@@bloodhoundsoldier7445 Which is in North America...
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In guitars right now chinese “clones” (stolen designs from american companies) are popular but all the ones i have played are complete junk. They look cool hanging on the wall behind you in youtube. Thats all
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