I tried this 'outer circle' journey and was more than a little shocked to see that I had been charged not one, but two penalty fares on my Oyster card. As I started and stopped at the same station I got charged for 2 incomplete journeys. A trip that should have cost me £2.40 ended up costing me over £10. That put a bit of a dampener on what was rather an enjoyable trip.
You do know you can ring TfL and explain what you did and they generally are very nice about it and refund you? Admittedly it’s an 03 number, but still.
@@donaloflynn The Circle Line isn't a circle, not operationally. Anticlockwise services ("inner rail") start at Edgware Rd but when they get back to Edgware Rd they continue on the branch to Hammersmith. Clockwise services do the reverse. It's more like a 6 than a 0.
In the underground you mostly hear high pitched whistles and the brakes of the train and you mostly see a dark tunnel with wires running along it. With the overground you actually get a view outside. (Mostly)
Taking the Overground does allow you the avoid zone 1. official if you go on the western side, practically if you go on the eastern side because they can't tell if you went through Shoreditch High St
As a young kid in the 80's, me and friends used to 'walk the tracks' between Highbury & Islington and Caledonian Road & Barnsbury. The track they now use for one of the new lines was used for freight.
I love the London Overground and travel on it frequently as Ii will be later today between Forest Hill and Canada Water before descending, as ever to the Jubilee Line. I love the quick walk at Canada Water to the escalator. People approach from our recently departed LO train in two directions and I usually, but only by the 'skin of my teeth' just make it before the main deluge hits the descent.
In the underground you mostly hear high pitched whistles and the brakes of the train and you mostly see a dark tunnel with wires running along it. With the overground you actually get a view outside. (Mostly)
Great videos, always very informative. Have you covered the late night weekday direct service from Wandsworth Road and Battersea Park? Parliamentary service?
love the idea of this great job viki and geoff one constructive suggestion tho when editing the team video maybe have an ATS (All The Stations) caption with the team that you are currently displaying so it makes it easier to track whos who as you switch between the different teams
Actually since this video was filmed, you now have to change additionally between Surrey Quays and Dalston Junction, if you go via Canada Water, and again and Highbury and Islington to complete the circle. This is due to a timetable change where all Clapham Junction trains normally now terminate at Dalston Junction, the through trains from Highbury being diverted to West Croydon. It is still possible to travel from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington /Canonbury without changing trains, but only via Willesden Junction.
Yes that's right. Originally it was just the New Cross trains terminating at Dalston Junction , then when the Clapham Junction line opened, the West Croydons were curtailed back to Dalston. In the December 2015 changes, the Claphams now only run to Dalston and the West Croydons have been reinstated to Highbury. Crystal Palace trains have continously gone to Highbury from the outset. Hope that clears that up. Cheers!
wait insted of changing at vauxhall, you can go to clapham high street change for the northern line at clapham north, then change at stockwell for the victoria line and carry on to highbury and islington
More than two years before I see this video (now) I did something very similar: going from Euston to Queens Road Peckham Overground. Was fun, but a bit dark in the night.
Interesting that in American English, we say "counter-clockwise" but in British English it's "anti-clockwise." And in the NYC Subway system, there is no circle line. All lines but one travel from an outer borough (Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx) to or through Manhattan. I suppose using the "G" line (the subway that connects Queens and Brooklyn) you could construct a circle route by changing trains several times.
so, the circle line doesnt go in circles but the overground does, and in one station the underground is over the overground and the overground is under the underground? thank god i don't live in london anymore
I was charged £12 starting from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction to Gospel Oak to Stratford to Clapham Junction in 2016. WHEN ZONES 1-3 DAILY CAP was £9.80....I spent 20 minutes in Stratford making sure I got right overground to Stratford via New Cross Gate/Crystal Palace....And completed my journey longer than these 2 teams....To be fair = I was only a normal commuter
But how much did it cost on the oyster card? Since it looks like they just tapped in and out at Clapham Junction after 2hrs, did they get charged 2 full fares? Kids, don't be a simpleton, always remember to tap out at Highbury and Islington!
Matt & Kate arrived via the North London Line (NLL) at platform 8 and switched to the East London Line (ELL) at platform 2. Jon & Hannah arrived via the ELL at platform 1 and should have switched to the NLL at platform 7, the westbound platform, but instead went to platform 8, the eastbound platform for trains to Stratford.
For someone who's hoping to visit London in 2016, is there a all-purpose pass that can be purchased for anyone wanting to use a bus, underground and/or overground train?
+Neil Coram Although it's worth noting that many contactless debit cards issued outside the United Kingdom won't work for contactless travel. Better to play it safe and just get an oyster if you're in from outside the UK.
hausaffe There is a Clapham Junction or Richmond to Stratford and the East London Line from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington making it that they have to change trains
The circuit was left incomplete for operational reasons, mainly to do with being able to recover from delays. The Circle line on the Underground is no longer a circuit for the same reason.
May 20th New Timetable Change, most Clapham Junction Trains revert to Running to Stratford (Or Most Stratford Trains now go to Clapham Junction depending on ones viewpoint). A better Circle would be to acquire/use Southern lines from Crystal Palace and then to Clapham Junction 2tph onto WLL.
I linke the Overground too, cause you could see parts of London normal visitors never see. But I have to admit that the London transport system could be realy confusing for first time visitors with all thees different services. And I 'm saying this as kind of an expert studing publik transport at university.
+weirdguy5498 I'm studying at the University of Applied Sciences at Erfurt in Germany. But there are many more over here where you could take such classes. I'm not familiar with British Universities so I couldn't help you on that.
Used to be (BA Level) Loughborough, Leeds, Aston, USWIST, London Guildhall. Central London Poly did a Masters related to the Geog. first degree as did Oxford.
The Overground as such didn't exist in '00, when I was last there. Good to see such nice trains on such an extensive network -- though this must make a mess of the Tube map....
I thought this video was just the right length, not too long and not to short, and very well edited.
it doesnt get more british than this
Samo762 Very True
Yes
It’s too tense for me.
I missed the badger called Reginald with a kettle... Other than that, pretty much!
Unfortunately.
I tried this 'outer circle' journey and was more than a little shocked to see that I had been charged not one, but two penalty fares on my Oyster card. As I started and stopped at the same station I got charged for 2 incomplete journeys. A trip that should have cost me £2.40 ended up costing me over £10. That put a bit of a dampener on what was rather an enjoyable trip.
Shouldn't you have told the staff. And did you use the pink transfer readers?
@@transitvideosbayarea no point shoreditch high street is in zone one
You do know you can ring TfL and explain what you did and they generally are very nice about it and refund you? Admittedly it’s an 03 number, but still.
@@donaloflynn
The Circle Line isn't a circle, not operationally. Anticlockwise services ("inner rail") start at Edgware Rd but when they get back to Edgware Rd they continue on the branch to Hammersmith. Clockwise services do the reverse.
It's more like a 6 than a 0.
@@paulkennedy8701 yes but the same can be said of the outer circle
Nice touch, Geoff being the timetable consultant 😂
I love watching and listening to her on these videos.
I love that name, Canada Water
I'm from Canada so it's nice name
Aaron Van Dam its a lovely name
@@llux thanks
Terrence and Phillips Wharf has a nice ring too
Putting the "round" in Over-go-round.
Its a good way of seeing London from a different perspective.
I agree strongly with the concept at the basis of this video, that taking a train all day is great fun.
I absolutely love the London Overground. It's the most pleasant and civilised line to use by far. The Underground doesn't come close.
i hate that
Civilized, hah
In the underground you mostly hear high pitched whistles and the brakes of the train and you mostly see a dark tunnel with wires running along it. With the overground you actually get a view outside. (Mostly)
Taking the Overground does allow you the avoid zone 1. official if you go on the western side, practically if you go on the eastern side because they can't tell if you went through Shoreditch High St
As a young kid in the 80's, me and friends used to 'walk the tracks' between Highbury & Islington and Caledonian Road & Barnsbury. The track they now use for one of the new lines was used for freight.
I love the London Overground and travel on it frequently as Ii will be later today between Forest Hill and Canada Water before descending, as ever to the Jubilee Line. I love the quick walk at Canada Water to the escalator. People approach from our recently departed LO train in two directions and I usually, but only by the 'skin of my teeth' just make it before the main deluge hits the descent.
Shouldn't it be Circle LINES, because you need to change trains?
Semi Circle Lines
Rip d stock
In the underground you mostly hear high pitched whistles and the brakes of the train and you mostly see a dark tunnel with wires running along it. With the overground you actually get a view outside. (Mostly)
A lot of the Underground is over ground. It's always nice when you are hurtling through a tunnel and suddenly you emerge into daylight.
Great videos, always very informative. Have you covered the late night weekday direct service from Wandsworth Road and Battersea Park? Parliamentary service?
Denmark Hill, visible on the map at 1:44, was my local station when I lived in South London in the 1970's
love the idea of this great job viki and geoff one constructive suggestion tho when editing the team video maybe have an ATS (All The Stations) caption with the team that you are currently displaying so it makes it easier to track whos who as you switch between the different teams
That was funny. But it was fun
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Very nice,I and the residents of Rampton secure hospital enjoyed it lots
Excellent presentation
You guys are so much fun! L’ovni’ the Norfolk Lass in’t City :)
Geof Marshall. I love your videos so much
Nice once I visited london and did the circle and it's great
Is it even possible to do this now? Kept trying to find how to do this and can't. Help?
Actually since this video was filmed, you now have to change additionally between Surrey Quays and Dalston Junction, if you go via Canada Water, and again and Highbury and Islington to complete the circle. This is due to a timetable change where all Clapham Junction trains normally now terminate at Dalston Junction, the through trains from Highbury being diverted to West Croydon. It is still possible to travel from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington /Canonbury without changing trains, but only via Willesden Junction.
+Geofftech Errr... I think Crystal Palace trains still goes to Highbury...
Yes that's right. Originally it was just the New Cross trains terminating at Dalston Junction , then when the Clapham Junction line opened, the West Croydons were curtailed back to Dalston. In the December 2015 changes, the Claphams now only run to Dalston and the West Croydons have been reinstated to Highbury. Crystal Palace trains have continously gone to Highbury from the outset. Hope that clears that up. Cheers!
Ian Mcclavin
Ian Mcclavin
On Sundays there are direct trains from Highbury & Islington / Canonbury to Clapham Junction via Canada Water.
Very enjoyable I think I will suggest this to our Social Committee
wait insted of changing at vauxhall, you can go to clapham high street change for the northern line at clapham north, then change at stockwell for the victoria line and carry on to highbury and islington
She got Southwestern Railway to Vauxhall and changed into the Victoria.
Underground, overground.. wombling free...
Very good liked your new Metropolitan line train video a while ago too
I smiled because last time I was London, I was staying near Wandsworth Road.
They're in the throes of building a similar circular line in Copenhagen
More than two years before I see this video (now) I did something very similar: going from Euston to Queens Road Peckham Overground. Was fun, but a bit dark in the night.
Interesting that in American English, we say "counter-clockwise" but in British English it's "anti-clockwise." And in the NYC Subway system, there is no circle line. All lines but one travel from an outer borough (Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx) to or through Manhattan. I suppose using the "G" line (the subway that connects Queens and Brooklyn) you could construct a circle route by changing trains several times.
Most metro systems Ive seen outside of the US have somekind of Circle line to provide access to the outer parts of the city.
Most metro systems Ive seen outside of the US have somekind of Circle line to provide access to the outer parts of the city.
+SEFR7337 Yes, by using the "G", "E" and "A" lines in that order (or in the reverse).+
Only the triboro RX can give NYC a sort of circle line. And just like the London overground it is best as a railroad commuter rail.
this is probably the most inconclusive experiment i've ever seen
My conclusion was that it's quicker to use underground services
8:30 It look EXACTLY as a map of Poland.
Except Poland is irrelevant.
ok but why is that train on the thumbnail at platform 17 at clapham junction
so, the circle line doesnt go in circles but the overground does, and in one station the underground is over the overground and the overground is under the underground?
thank god i don't live in london anymore
The circle line used to at the time this was recorded.
Circle went to hammer in 2009 this was done in 2013 so no
I was charged £12 starting from Clapham Junction to Willesden Junction to Gospel Oak to Stratford to Clapham Junction in 2016. WHEN ZONES 1-3 DAILY CAP was £9.80....I spent 20 minutes in Stratford making sure I got right overground to Stratford via New Cross Gate/Crystal Palace....And completed my journey longer than these 2 teams....To be fair = I was only a normal commuter
anti clockwise, thats a new one. Love the video
Is it?
Clapham Junction is always my favourite station ever in the whole world
almost made me not fear the tube. :)
Circle line - should not have to change trains the train should complete the loop!
Trains would not be able to call at Clapham Junction, a key transport hub, if they did that.
angus504 Having been their, seen that I think there is track in place that would allow this in one direction.
@@craigthomson3621
Bollocks.
That's why they created switches.
But how much did it cost on the oyster card? Since it looks like they just tapped in and out at Clapham Junction after 2hrs, did they get charged 2 full fares? Kids, don't be a simpleton, always remember to tap out at Highbury and Islington!
Definitely did this already but it would be nice to do it again when the weather is much nicer
4:21 how did you get this shot? still puzzles me that the cameraman was already off the train which bewilders me...
Zephane Possibly a reaction shot filmed later and edited in?
where can I find that map that was in the intro? It seems to be a more accurate depiction of the tfl system
So much fun!
*meanwhile at Finchley Road & FROGnal*.......... I wonder if they have any frogs here 😂
rowletdesu Apparently used ro when it was first named
hahahahahaha! Loved it! Thanks.
me hoping Amsterdam's circle line will ever be completed
South west trains is now called south western railway but they could not be bothered to repaint all the trains
Dan Smith At least now trains is no longer in the name we know not to expect one.
I love london underground
I've been to Clapham Junction. Amazing coincidence
i've heard the piano music somewhere before, anyone know what it is?
Wouldn’t it be easier just to add the times up on the timetable?
They didn’t have to waste time at Willesden Junction as they could’ve gotten a 337 bus to Clapham Junction from Richmond
What exactly happened when things went wrong at Highbury and Islington?
Matt & Kate arrived via the North London Line (NLL) at platform 8 and switched to the East London Line (ELL) at platform 2. Jon & Hannah arrived via the ELL at platform 1 and should have switched to the NLL at platform 7, the westbound platform, but instead went to platform 8, the eastbound platform for trains to Stratford.
For someone who's hoping to visit London in 2016, is there a all-purpose pass that can be purchased for anyone wanting to use a bus, underground and/or overground train?
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Thanks. I'll keep that in mind.
***** Isn't that lady from the video 'Last 1967 Tube train' of yours?
+Geofftech if you have a contactless debit card don't bother with oyster just use contactless it cost the same.
+PoliceAndTheTube It is indeed.
+Neil Coram Although it's worth noting that many contactless debit cards issued outside the United Kingdom won't work for contactless travel. Better to play it safe and just get an oyster if you're in from outside the UK.
I'm confused if this was a circle service why did they change?
Trains from West Croydon, Crystal Palace, New Cross & Clapham Junction either terminate at Dalston or Highbury & Islington
4:51 should have streamed the cool trains on the station lol
why do you have to change trains on a circle line?
hausaffe There is a Clapham Junction or Richmond to Stratford and the East London Line from Clapham Junction to Highbury and Islington making it that they have to change trains
The circuit was left incomplete for operational reasons, mainly to do with being able to recover from delays. The Circle line on the Underground is no longer a circuit for the same reason.
3:43 Do they have frogs? No. Not anymore.
The finches ate them all.
5:01 is that supposed to be an ''in your face'' referance?? Kinda scared me there
3:09 southern to victoria's quicker if it's not 5 years late
May 20th New Timetable Change, most Clapham Junction Trains revert to Running to Stratford (Or Most Stratford Trains now go to Clapham Junction depending on ones viewpoint). A better Circle would be to acquire/use Southern lines from Crystal Palace and then to Clapham Junction 2tph onto WLL.
I linke the Overground too, cause you could see parts of London normal visitors never see. But I have to admit that the London transport system could be realy confusing for first time visitors with all thees different services. And I 'm saying this as kind of an expert studing publik transport at university.
Its less confusing than most countries
+NeoDerGrose Which university does a Public Transport course? Sounds interesting!
+weirdguy5498 I'm studying at the University of Applied Sciences at Erfurt in Germany. But there are many more over here where you could take such classes. I'm not familiar with British Universities so I couldn't help you on that.
Used to be (BA Level) Loughborough, Leeds, Aston, USWIST, London Guildhall. Central London Poly did a Masters related to the Geog. first degree as did Oxford.
Stuart Kennedy Just happy with all the extra connections we now have.
it’s midnight. why am i here
0:15 Over ground looks axacly as Poland Map.
Matt i seen him befor but i can't remember what vid. help ????
+Geofftech well he getting his own fan club even if there is only one member me!!!!! lol
please do.......................
R
Secrets of the overground part 1.
ty dude matts one girl fan club here lol
did you mean South Western Railway SWR before SWT
This video is clearly made in 2013
Loseyman has a lovely beard. o.o
Yeah... I think I'll take the Victoria line...
Remember that you’ll pay a lot more, you’ll be crossing zone 1.
I have gotten on the wrong Train too on the overground before but a good ride
Good vid
Why i am I watching this.... must be the thigh gap
Victoria Pipe? How posh!
new thumbnail!
and new title!
Where can i get that overground timetable?
Uh...at a station. Duh
Oh, well, i'm not that dumb
Actually he's the duh one! Timetables change every 6 months or per year so the 2013 timetable would no longer be available!
Great
What's the difference between the Underground and Overground? They both look like tube trains to me.
Underground is metro
Overground is commuter rail
Anybody 7 yrs later
u know the clipper
0:37 CANAADAER WATAAR
5:01 lol
Do you like ducks 🦆 not eating them
Thanks largely to Ken Livingstone.
Hmm, fascinating☺☺☺☺☺☺
Cool do a video at angering
I have been to london but only tube and national rail
no overground
I havent been to London at all. Though, I might in the future.
overground is national rail, it used to be the silverlink metro but Tfl brought them out
The Overground as such didn't exist in '00, when I was last there. Good to see such nice trains on such an extensive network -- though this must make a mess of the Tube map....
1:58 MEG
0:14 wtf is that
Probably a more "accurate map" of the TFL train network
Math features you can calculate or change
Who is the lady in this video she looks familiar?
toolongtoremember Maybe you know her from the Newhaven Marine ghost station or the last '67 stock videos.
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