The Case For CARNIVORE: Debunking Myths About Red Meat, Heart Disease, & Longevity | Shawn Baker

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  • @maxlugavere
    @maxlugavere  7 місяців тому +7

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  • @ph69jbl
    @ph69jbl 7 місяців тому +39

    Dr. Shawn is my new idol. He did more good to me than any other doctor I’ve ever physically met

  • @Divinefapper
    @Divinefapper 7 місяців тому +51

    I saw Chris Palmers visit on Huberman lab a year ago, and hopped on the ketogenic diet as a last ditch effort to cure my numerous mental health issues and physical issues - and if this wasn't going to work, I was ready to kill myself. And it worked. Adhd, aspergers, arthritis, parasomnias, daily panic attacks, depression, general anxiety, psychotic episodes, misophonia, skin picking.. Everything in remission. I mean, I still have ADHD and aspergers, but they are in way better control than they have ever been. I never knew my brain could function this properly. The clarity. No longer constant negative thoughts. Just a clear mind. This man literally saved my life.
    I’ve been on a ketogenic carnivore diet now for 6 months and never felt better. Average 2,5mmol blood ketones.

    • @kathya1956
      @kathya1956 7 місяців тому

      Happy you didn’t kill yourself!

    • @timnestor3005
      @timnestor3005 3 місяці тому +2

      Hi thanks for posting your experience I. It's absolutely incredible! Iread Dr Palmer's book after I found the carnivore diet, but it's perfectly clear going to a carnival diet cured my mental health and bowel disease and several other issues. Miracles!🔥❤️💪

  • @debdicken286
    @debdicken286 6 місяців тому +17

    Shawn Baker is awesome. He’s so “ normal” and makes so much sense. Great interview.

  • @gratefulagoraphobe
    @gratefulagoraphobe 3 місяці тому +8

    On day 82 of carnivore and I've seen my chronic mental health issues reduce more than 20 years of other treatments. It's amazing to have my mind back

    • @asdf1991asdf
      @asdf1991asdf Місяць тому

      Congratulations, that is absolutely fantastic.

    • @asdf1991asdf
      @asdf1991asdf Місяць тому

      Specifically how has that transformation looked and came about?

    • @gratefulagoraphobe
      @gratefulagoraphobe Місяць тому

      @asdf1991asdf I was in ketosis for 5mths, I'm not carnivore anymore. The best way to describe it is that it cleared out the cobwebs and dust in my brain and I could see light at the end of the tunnel. I always thought that I would have to live with illness, and find a way to just survive with it. Now, although I'm not perfect and I still have bad days, I believe that I'll be free of chronic anxiety, depression and agoraphobia. I'm already free of chronic ocd. It wasn't a long term thing for me. I wanted to fix my metabolic health. I was wasting my time doing treatments, meds etc bc my metabolic health was a disaster. Carnivore was the quickest way for me to be in ketosis and heal. Are you considering it?

  • @FoxBodyFitness
    @FoxBodyFitness 7 місяців тому +43

    I hate the dogmatic message of plants are trying to kill you that I see on social media. Maybe they are, but the biggest issue facing Americans is processed junk food and inactivity. Thank you for having Shawn Baker on. He’s been a great voice for the importance of meat.

    • @eatmeatandliftweights5754
      @eatmeatandliftweights5754 6 місяців тому +1

      True, nothkng wrong with some plants, they compliment the meat, I eat both and avoid the crap.

    • @shangstr
      @shangstr 6 місяців тому +4

      Maybe true to a point but, which plants are you eating that are actually man made? with not enough years of science knowledge behind it proving the long term effects on your body eating them. It took them 50 years to realise smoking was bad a lot of these vegetables, plants and fruits you buy the majority of them came from a uneatable strain. With years in a lab inventing them and making them eatable. But their is proof some of the chemicals such as oxalates which is very poisonous to us exists in these plants.
      Don't get me started on fruit. 😂
      No living animal ever in the history of life on earth that we know of, ruled the earth being a plant eater. The top of the food chain was always ruled by a meat eater.
      And here we are.
      If we ate plants we wouldn't have got to the top we would have had no reason at all to become a hunter.

    • @jn2400
      @jn2400 6 місяців тому

      Ya that seems silly. I'll on carnivore what works for some may not for others.

    • @nataliegist2014
      @nataliegist2014 3 місяці тому +3

      @@shangstrbaby’s die on a plant diet. so your Hypothesis doesn’t hold water.

    • @stevemcniel9515
      @stevemcniel9515 3 місяці тому +4

      They are though. It's sensational, yes, but it's true. People need to know vegtables are not super foods

  • @kathya1956
    @kathya1956 7 місяців тому +24

    I’ve suffered from constipation all my life. Low carb made it better but I would fall off wagon and increase bread consumption causing me to have constipation. On carnivore 40 days and I am now amazingly regular.

    • @JoanRickenbach
      @JoanRickenbach 5 місяців тому

      I am going to try it I am sick of mirlax benifber high fiber food that do nothing but make me bloated and poop all day

  • @Rositasparks
    @Rositasparks 7 місяців тому +16

    I like that analogy with Marie Antoinette with the “ let them eat cake” . It’s right on point .

  • @Carnivorepothead
    @Carnivorepothead 6 місяців тому +15

    I did strict carnivore for about 2 years. During that time I lost all my visible fat and started to lose the benefits the diet gave me. I started to have days where I’d eat meat only until dinner time and then I’d eat whatever, as long as it wasn’t too processed. So now that’s my eating routine every day and I maintain my weight + feel good. I’m happy to hear the doc say that he agrees with people like me. Carnivore reset my health and changed the way I eat forever. That’s how I personally represent the diet to people who are interested. No dogma here ✌️

    • @Primal-Dude
      @Primal-Dude 6 місяців тому +1

      I pretty much do the exact same thing as you and have not noticed any urge to go back to processed foods, love your name btw

    • @mattizzle81
      @mattizzle81 6 місяців тому

      I see no reason to go back. I don't care what other people do but the benefits go beyond just weight loss. Why would I bother changing it?

    • @paulhailey2537
      @paulhailey2537 6 місяців тому

      Carnivore is the first time in my life that I have Not been Hungry and I have a hard time eating enough Calories now , Calories were never a problem with a high Carb Sugar Diet

  • @604achilles
    @604achilles 6 місяців тому +14

    We don't need a long-term study on a carnivore diet. People have been eating meat for WAY longer than we have been eating plants..... long term enough for me.

    • @gungho1284
      @gungho1284 6 місяців тому +7

      And there are no cave paintings of salads.

  • @JIMKATSANIDIS
    @JIMKATSANIDIS 7 місяців тому +32

    Great discussion! Red meat is not harmful and doesn't increase the risk of heart disease, cancer, or dying early. Red meat, in fact, reverses aging. Humans have been eating red meat for millions of years. Sadly many people can't afford organic meat, which is quite expensive. Thank you Max and Shawn for sharing this very helpful video! ❤👍

    • @ghost9-9ghost
      @ghost9-9ghost 7 місяців тому

      Humans have also been eating plants foods...since before "sapiens", even existed....ALL primates and hominids are omnivores and always have been.
      The pop-tarts and doritoes are toxic....not the ginger ans carrots and raspberries

    • @jaghad
      @jaghad 7 місяців тому +1

      Just because meat is organic doesn't mean it is better. In Sweden, where I am from, we have organic eggs. A rapport from Livsmedelsverket (=FDA in USA) showed high levels of Dioxin and PCB in the eggs. Higher than acceptable and 3 times higher than for conventional eggs.

    • @LauraB.335
      @LauraB.335 6 місяців тому +5

      You don’t need organic, grass fed, grass finished meat. Even the cheapest meat is more nutritious than the majority of the crap Americans eat. Eat what meat you can afford and don’t feel guilty about it. You’re doing the best you can, and that is perfect!

    • @JIMKATSANIDIS
      @JIMKATSANIDIS 4 місяці тому

      @@kjettern Absolutely they can! Totally agree!👋👍

  • @traceyholley9221
    @traceyholley9221 6 місяців тому +9

    Don't know of any vegan or vegetarian advocate as non adversarial as Shawn so calm and no dogma. Would love to see this from vegans ❤

  • @seanthespartan
    @seanthespartan 7 місяців тому +8

    No way! This is the collaboration we need!

  • @FlavGoulart
    @FlavGoulart 6 місяців тому +5

    One of the best episodes yet! Thank you Max and Dr. Baker! Meat is health!
    I’ve adopted a carnivore adjacent lifestyle and feel the best I’ve ever felt! I did the elimination diet and was full carnivore and then started introducing plants back in to learn which I can process well and those I need to stay away from. I now eat red meat and poultry, eggs, full fat dairy, some veggies and fruit, and avoid seed oils, sugar, and grains. It’s what works best for me and what’s helped me thrive as a 50 year old perimenopausal female! 🙌🏼

  • @acidclarity_
    @acidclarity_ 7 місяців тому +5

    thank you both. suggestions for improved nutrition can be helpful for improving fertility which can be a struggle in the current environment. in my parent's days there seemed to be not as much of a struggle. i have to say it is confusing with the opposing view points on nutrition but you are doing a great job debunking some myths that could really helpful. THANK YOU

  • @cearilindubhlaoi9507
    @cearilindubhlaoi9507 3 місяці тому +1

    So much respect for Dr Shawn Baker ❤❤❤❤

  • @Veteran_Nerd
    @Veteran_Nerd 6 місяців тому +7

    Guy eats nothing but cake for a year. Cake contains eggs and butter.
    The media: EGGS AND BUTTER WILL KILL YOU!!! HERE'S OUR STUDY!!

    • @nataliajimenez1870
      @nataliajimenez1870 6 місяців тому

      The brilliant Dr Cywes did a video that's basically the same idea, saying that a study proved that water causes liver cirrhosis because a bunch of alcoholics drink whiskey with ice, so the epidemiological nutritionists would say that water in the ice is the cause of the cirrhosis and not the whiskey ua-cam.com/video/tj9N7xWVD7k/v-deo.htmlsi=wd8AbiWPX-pZR3A6

  • @2Goldens1Rott
    @2Goldens1Rott 7 місяців тому +7

    Vote with our currency. We know that works immediately. Dry up the current to these corrupt corporations. Put the Corps in corporate. Support your local rancher. Thanks Max and Shawn for this great interview. Keep pushing authenticity.

  • @wendycarter5718
    @wendycarter5718 7 місяців тому +8

    It pays the medical/ food industries to maintain a high level of confusion over what constitutes a healthy diet!! $$$$$£££££€€€€€¥¥¥¥¥¥

  • @Ricky-ju9ms
    @Ricky-ju9ms 7 місяців тому +11

    So just so I’m clear. If I say humans are carnivores I’m dogmatic and if I say humans are omnivores I’m not?

    • @Poecilia1963
      @Poecilia1963 19 днів тому

      I'd say so. Clearly we can and do eat plants, historically. Doesn't mean they are optimal for our health. My take is that humans ate whatever they could get their hands on - in some places, that's almost entirely meat, in others, where there are more edible plants, we also ate those. But I think we'd always have prioritized meat - my friend's dog, like many dogs, will eat veggies, but if you give it two plates, one with meat and one with veggies, it's going to go for the meat every time.

  • @kathya1956
    @kathya1956 7 місяців тому +6

    I do a hiit class and my glucose goes to 250.

  • @glennwhitehead1178
    @glennwhitehead1178 6 місяців тому +2

    Great discussion.

  • @thelaststylebender1678
    @thelaststylebender1678 7 місяців тому +10

    I know a vegan who is also a physician. He states that he doesn't take a B12 supplement or a multivitamin. Yikes.

    • @ghost9-9ghost
      @ghost9-9ghost 7 місяців тому +2

      Lots of bad advice from vegans ANd "carnivores". B12 seems 100% required for vegans...I take it almost daily.
      Having said that, none of the primates or hominids have EVER been "carnivores"....evolution has made humans omnivores. Plants are healthy. Meat is healthy.

    • @FedorBP
      @FedorBP 7 місяців тому +8

      @@ghost9-9ghost stone age people including neanderthal people were definitely predominantly hypercarnivores (stable isotope analysis proves this). But I agree that people are generally omnivore. However, omnivore doesn't mean that living on omnivore diet is optimal. Omnivore is the way to survive but not thrive. E.g. eat different fruits, berries, nuts and roots to fatten up for cold season. However, fattening up has metabolic consequences. And if you everyday eat foods that evolutionary were available only in season (compared to meat) that spike your blood sugar to dangerous levels and make you fat - this is not good.
      Just anecdotal evidence from the past. If you read books about explorers of new lands from the past, even 18-19 century who got into trouble the only way to live in jungles, deserts or in cold was to hunt. Often they would eat only meat. Also they would use horse meat to treat scurvy if they could not hunt. That is just to say that almost any mammal is edible for humans, but almost every plant is bad for humans.

    • @ScottDCS
      @ScottDCS 6 місяців тому

      Carnivores are animals that thrive on a meat based diet ​@@ghost9-9ghost
      ie: humans
      Seasonal foraging does not change this definition. We are carnivores and opportunists, not omnivores.

    • @LauraB.335
      @LauraB.335 6 місяців тому +1

      @@ghost9-9ghost- tell that to the many who were healthy vegans for years and had to move to carnivore due to severe autoimmune, skin, gut, and mental health issues. I’m not saying some people can’t eat plants. I’m saying there are some form whom plants are not a good idea. And, overall, plants may not be the best. This is a list of those vegans who couldn’t heal until they went carnivore. But, for example, Rebekah has added some stuff back in such as periodic berries. Even berries, though, are more of a ketogenic accepted fruit, and it was after at least a year until she has healed. List: Steak and Butter Gal, Rebekah heishman, Jon Venus, Nutrition with Judy, the Ex-Plant Eater, Rory Bland, Jake Thomas, Isabella Ma, Eron Edwards, Dr. Tony Hampton, Dr. Stephanie Rimka

  • @dessaarnold7540
    @dessaarnold7540 6 місяців тому +2

    My favorite doctor

  • @barbaraferron7994
    @barbaraferron7994 6 місяців тому +4

    Cereal is expensive if you're poor you eat ramen noodles.

  • @gjahncke
    @gjahncke 6 місяців тому +1

    Fight for your right beeing healthy

  • @AmandaViolinGirl
    @AmandaViolinGirl 6 місяців тому +1

    It is obvious he has read the primal blueprint because he mentioned Mark Sisson and Grok.

  • @Xasew
    @Xasew 7 місяців тому +6

    The Marie Antoinette quote does not fit at all 😂

  • @2Goldens1Rott
    @2Goldens1Rott 7 місяців тому +3

    The experts don’t have the expertise

  • @suzanbak1
    @suzanbak1 5 місяців тому

    Dr Baker!!!! EPIC example. OBVIOUS evidence

  • @drock430
    @drock430 6 місяців тому +1

    Time to give in and just shave the scraps off Baker..

  • @almasalazar8318
    @almasalazar8318 6 місяців тому

    Dr. Baker looks good with his side part.

  • @richhahn2443
    @richhahn2443 3 місяці тому

    Not everyone can eat red meat. I experience a huge spike in blood pressure when I try carnivore or even keto with limited carbs. By huge, I mean my blood pressure spikes to over 200/100. Adding digestive enzymes and betaine HCL are no help. If I fast or eat only vegetables, my blood pressure returns to normal.
    I can't be the only person who has this problem with red meat.

  • @Jupiter04_
    @Jupiter04_ 6 місяців тому

    Anyone else feel like he didn’t offer anything useful? Just the usual “eat a balance diet” and “some studies show”
    We need more than this.

  • @AbirTarafdar
    @AbirTarafdar 7 місяців тому +3

    39:27 may not be dogmatic,… but he is wolfmatic.

  • @alejandrovilas
    @alejandrovilas 3 місяці тому

    I wonder how different it would be to eat herbivore's meat vs. carnivore's meat. In other words, how different is the meat of a cow vs. the meat of a lion... there must be differences.

  • @eatmeatandliftweights5754
    @eatmeatandliftweights5754 6 місяців тому +7

    I eat a lot of red meat. also some plants and avoid grains, sugar and junkfood.

  • @yogiyoda
    @yogiyoda 3 місяці тому +1

    Why does Baker think ancient elephant type animals we hunted to some extent were fat. An elephant is only like 9% body fat. We evolved in Africa where animals are usually very lean because it is so hot. The vast majority of our ancestors were still in Africa only 60 to 90 thousand years ago. We didn't evolve in the Artic where animals need to be fat. What makes him think these ancient animals in central Africa were fat. Not sure why he states his hypothesis like a fact

    • @asdf1991asdf
      @asdf1991asdf Місяць тому

      The 'we come from Africa " is largely a western narrative that isn't supported by the science, at least yet. It really isn't settle science. Plus, what about the ice age? I'm pretty sure it was argued for that period we ate fatty meat

  • @AzIbra16
    @AzIbra16 6 місяців тому +4

    Cereal = decreased risk of mortality
    Red Meat/processed meat = increased risk of mortality 😂

  • @user-rk2sy8df4s
    @user-rk2sy8df4s 6 місяців тому +1

    Who's Mike?

  • @newsdropz5361
    @newsdropz5361 7 місяців тому +5

    Love Dr. Baker, and Carnivore myself. But I think his skin looks progressively worse. Why do carnivores not have perfect skin?
    Is it too much protein? I know there's individual differencens. But a few years ago he had really clear skin.

    • @ghost9-9ghost
      @ghost9-9ghost 7 місяців тому

      It's because humans are not carnivores....the antioxidants in plants serve a purpose because humans have been eating plants (and meat), for literally millions of years.
      I'm 8 years older than max lugavere and yet I look younger....vegan for 16 years...

    • @esvajcarac3527
      @esvajcarac3527 7 місяців тому +6

      ⁠@@ghost9-9ghostAgree that you should supplement with some antioxidants (and a few other things), but I can assure you that meat-heavy low carb is totally fine. I look much younger, too 😊

    • @ghost9-9ghost
      @ghost9-9ghost 7 місяців тому +2

      @esvajcarac3527 i actually do eat relatively moderate carb....I don't eat refined carbs, period....like once a year I will eat some spicy chips....and then my carbs are moderate/lower in amount....and it's things like carrots and raspberries....bit of sweet.potato when I'm more active.
      I think that there's a lot of diversity in terms of how people's.bodies handle food....I don't have any issue if someone feels better on a higher meat diet...I just don't like the lies about "plants are toxic"
      What we actually have is an increase in the number of people with gut problems...and it's not because of plants...it's because of processed junk food, and even things like exposure to chemicals and being sedentary.....
      There may also be epigenetic changes that are reaching a tipping point....leading to a major change in human gut miceobiome and what it can tolerate....microplastics may be a problem...
      My point is that humans have always been omnivores....we ate plants LONG BEFORE we invented Hunting and were able to get somewhat more stable.meat supply...bur we never stopped eating plants
      The mechanistic health benefits of plant foods is well documented, clinically.

    • @oldroscoe2590
      @oldroscoe2590 7 місяців тому +14

      He is getting older, we all are.

    • @JakeStz
      @JakeStz 7 місяців тому +5

      He's almost 60

  • @magicf7076
    @magicf7076 6 місяців тому +1

    The guy is bold. He paints that last pieces of hair red.

  • @ericdean1309
    @ericdean1309 6 місяців тому +4

    Had a sirloin roast last night was fantastic.

  • @outwest100az
    @outwest100az 6 місяців тому +1

    This Doctor is so full of knowledge that his own information gets in the way of his spoken words. Super interesting but some may say, hey get to the point. Simple, eat much less sugar and mix non boxed products, eat fruit, veggies and meat and wa-la you will lose weight.

  • @Paytoncole
    @Paytoncole 7 місяців тому +1

    👍🌞

  • @Joannabanana1989
    @Joannabanana1989 6 місяців тому

    I would love to see actual patients he has helped with IBD! I have yet to see a severe case of IBD go into remission with diet change. It always requires meds or surgery.

  • @enfeeyano
    @enfeeyano 7 місяців тому +1

    First comment

    • @googlespies
      @googlespies 7 місяців тому +1

      How did you do it??

    • @RMagnus
      @RMagnus 7 місяців тому

      wow, congrats on being an idiot! 🎉

    • @esvajcarac3527
      @esvajcarac3527 7 місяців тому

      @@googlespies😂😂😂