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I am a new DM. We are moving into chapter 2 in Rime of the Frost maiden. The issue of traveling is pertinent for me as a DM right now. Tho this video is kind of LOL, it helped me! - Thanks!
@@FluffyTheGryphon I once had a dungeon for my players inside a sealed well. I showed them tracks to the well, they skipped it. They camped and I showed them a guy coming out of it, and running when he saw them. They didn't do anything. They came back for a spot to camp again so I showed them the well unsealed. They still didn't go in. I had an npc say they heard the bad guys talking about a well. They still didn't go in.
Yup, it's definitely doable with training. Speaking from experience. In U.S. Army basic training you are required to complete a weighted ruck march of 12 miles in under 3 hours. The weighted load is to simulate a fighting load which is about 70 pounds usually, unless you are part of a 2 man machine gun team then you are probably pushing 85-90 between weapon and/or ammo depending on if you are the gunner or feeding the ammo. The D&D rules are definitely realistic considering that your adventurers are probably in damn good shape.
The adventurer is in good shape, yes, but not necessarily Army Ranger good shape. Some of these guys may be fighters used to the hard travel on untamed lands. The bards carrying their instruments just starting their adventuring life wouldn't be used to that yet, nor would the old wizard that's on his final trip. 20 miles makes for easy math, but 15 miles might be kinder on those with less Constitution. I would definitely have their walking endurance be based on their Constitution score.
@@benwagner5089 doesn't have to be a ranger lol. I wasn't in great shape when I joined the army. I got to the point where I was able to do that 12 mile march with ease. It occured at the end of week 8 of basic. So only 8 weeks of morning pt and marching with a fighting load's worth of weight everyday got me to that point. The point about some of the softer classes not having to the stamina at the start of a campaign is legitimate though. I still think they could power through a long walk.
@@pwnerman1717 But as Bob experienced when he came back to the "goblin ambush," after walking for so long he wouldn't have been in good condition to fight them off. Especially since the boss fights typically occur at the end of a long trek of fighting smaller skirmishes.
When building my characters I almost always go for a horse and cart. One of my favorite things to do is to play a crafter that sells stuff out of his cart, turning it into a market stall in towns and selling wares right out of it. The downside of cart travel is having to stick to roads and paths wide enough for a cart, though. I did make a self propelled flying cart in one campaign.
From my experience: for an average human without any physical preparations for travel, 18 miles in 8 hours with 60 pounds of stuff are really reasonable. But if you had workout and travelled all of your life, I see that's possible to walk 24 miles with heavier backpack in 8 hours. Also whether completely changes your walking speed and comfort, as Bob said, but very hot sunny day is much more preferable than any rainy day. For example, after all day walk in the rain, you'll get many corns and have your feet skinned, so the very next day you will walk slower and surely less comfortable. EDIT: Thanks to @pawakin and @Eric Taysom I realized that I made a mistake. I forgot that we're getting up earlier and for sure it was 12 hours per day. Also I could overestimate heaviness of the backpack because simply I tried to remember what I had and quickly add up masses. It could be around 40 pounds or maybe even less. Sorry for my mistakes. Now 24 miles in 8 hours seems much more unrealistic.
@@BobWorldBuilder Yeah and there're a lot more of downsides of rain. Wet clothes, how to keep stuff in your backpack dry, putting up tent in the rain, camping on wet dirt and much more xD Normally I hate scorching sun but while traveling on foot, it's a blessing!
@@BobWorldBuilder It's important to change your socks regularly. Ask anyone who has been in the military. We had to change our socks a couple of times a day and we definitely did this "forced march" with gear.
@@robertmasengale9366 Always had extra socks, and for years would buy new socks for every three week ex., because there are few joys like putting on a nice pair of dry clean socks. I also packed a pair of gortex socks, so if I ended up soaking my boots, I could take them off, but on dry socks, then put on the gortex ones as a layer between dry socks and wet boots.
Thanks for doing this video! As a novice outdoorsman, I've only done a hike like this a handful of times, and you pretty much nailed the feeling of "the suck" toward the end: everything feels like lead weights and your lower half feels completely disassociated and just pain. What's even worse is that D&D adventures and backpackers alike typically spend days upon days at this pace, which you can only imagine how waking up the next morning just to do it again feels like
One of the things I love to do as a player is to buy a wagon or a cart to travel in. Allows for a “little home” to return to after solving a story arc in a city, a place to keep our stuff before we get a bag of holding, and nice RP reason to why we travel as far as we do in a day
Long ago, as a young Army Ranger infantryman, we walked over 100 miles in a single week. The first day we walked 36 miles, in about 11~12 total hours of walking. We were fit, used to walking and running nearly every day, and regularly carried packs of 60~80 lbs, and for special missions might carry up to 120 lbs of gear on our person. Of course, the day we walked 36 miles we had our packs on only until our lunch break, at which point we put our packs in a truck that was following us, that was about the 12~15 mile mark. The second day we walked about 18 miles, 22 miles the third day, about 24 the fourth day, and just 12 or so on the last day. As a long time DM/GM in many an adventure, this experience (along with all the other military training I did) helped keep such in game travel in perspective. And, yes, when I play a PC, I buy a pack mule and/or riding horse as soon as I can... and then hope they don't get eaten if I leaven them staked to a tree or line somewhere. ;)
Great point about having a mount - I always buy one for my character, my party thinks I'm odd (and taking up more food usage), but gosh darnit if you're carrying anything remotely close to a lot of gear and don't want to arrive tired to a location a horse is a must!
I think it's reasonable to expect that an adventurer is used to walking. I typically walk 10km for enjoyment and exercise most days, and on weekends I regularly walk 25km or more. When I started this walking regime (at the age of 58 - I'm 63 now) I found it strenuous to walk even 5km, especially if hills were involved, whereas now I think nothing of a 15km round trip walk where most people in my city would use a car. Where I walk we participate in competitions called "Marchathon" and "Walktober", so in those months I walk a lot further, averaging over 20k steps for March, including several days where I walked more than 40km. So I would challenge you to spend a month gradually increasing your walking distance (perhaps even with a small backpack) and *then* do another test for 24miles and see how much easier it becomes. Also: it's a great way to get to know more of the world around you!
Our group of reenactors once climbed a Welsh mountain for charity wearing only period clothing. The chap in "half plate" was a champion, sweating buckets but never complained. I was a barefoot peasant with a basket on his back and the people we met were always more concerned about my feet than the man literally encased in steel and thick padding on a hot day.
I did a Semester at a school on RPG’s and what they mean. I had a Warrior, heavy chainmail, a helm, sword belt, an Arming Sword, Dagger, Heater Shield, backpack: change of clothes, 2 large cans of food, 1 liter bottle of water, 50 foot of rope, small hammer, sharpening stone, small mirror, a coin bag with mixed tokens. Forgot the cloak. Had a setup for a Wizard and a Thief. I had the group walk 2 miles around the running track. They then had a better liking for the distance vs walking and stats of their characters in their stories.
I once took on an epic quest to see the world's tallest tree. There were two other options that were easier, but there was a chance that I would not get the opportunity to even start those, so I chose the 15 mile round trip on a gentle grade. I made it, but the tree is now just another Coastal Redwood, as a bolt of lightning caused it to lose it's crown. The tallest tree is now kept secret, as is the oldest tree.
In mythology, there is the concept of Seven League Boots, which allow you to do 'a day's travel in one step'. A league is roughly 3 miles, so when you figure in an average human walking speed of roughly 3 mph, 7 hours travel does get you 7 leagues, or roughly 21 miles. Assuming you rest several times along the way (at least an hour's worth), this math checks out. For this reason, a hex on one of my homebrew maps equals 7 leagues.
Nice! Awesome trip. Of course, doing the same trip day after day would build up more stamina! I've been hiking a few thru-hikes between about 200-300 miles long and at the end of those hikes, a 24 mile hike wasn't hard, yet my hikes was lasting less than two weeks. Doing those travels for a couple of months would build up even more stamina. I carried on average about 20 lbs, so the packing was small and light, but most armies make soldier carry about 55 lbs over several days about those distances.
in 1066, godwinson's army walked about 24 miles a day in a march from stamford bridge to hastings in armour, with supplies. Maybe this is where they got the idea from
Me and grandpa used to do 20 minute miles on the Appalachian Trail on day-hikes. Much rougher terrain and with heavier packs since we cooked lunch at our destination and then hiked back the same route.
I would add that while most people (in relative good shape) could do a 24 miles trip in a day (if not necessarily in 8 consecutive hours) it's pretty hard to keep it up over several days. At 12 my dad took me and my brother to a trip in the mountain and 38 km (roughly 24miles) was our longest day iirc. It was made harder by the fact that we had our hiking backpacks and that a good third of the distance was walking upwards. But we made it, with a week of travel and each day between 30 and 38km to go
navigating takes more time than people think, especially if you were in a 'no compass, no map' situation. you'd be making multiple detours to high ground or asking locals. on multi-day hikes i tend to do 20-30 miles per day, depending on elevation change, and that's on really clear well marked and safe routes, with a complete lack of plate mail on my person :P
Travel time is waaay variable. Even, say, fair weather, level, well-trod roads, perfect health, and motivated travellers, you have equipment problems, unexpected road blocks, wash outs, or traffic, issues with bugs or wildfire smoke or dust, and random encounters, of course. And then you throw in little things like toe stubs and jabs through a soft sole and minor twisted ankles, such things impact combat little, but can still hamper long travel, or can be made worse by travelling too fast, etc. Boots need resoling. Pack straps wear. Pouches and clothing get holes. Skins and jugs spring leaks. The very same stretch of road could take more or less time to travel, depending just on mood and motive -- depending how a group is acting, say, you could pace them more as sauntering rather than marching. And slowing down leaves more time for problems to crop up, so slowing more than just a bit may quickly give way to half-pace what with encounters and other checks happening more in a shorter distance. And it only takes the one character to slow the whole group. And it's one more good reason to track morale.
I believe the Roman Legion was known to travel about 20 to 25 miles a day while being fully battle ready in their armor and gear (I don't know if it was just 8 hours though or if that could have been a longer day)
this was awesome. I am all about the gritty realism in my games. I say that adventurers are significantly better conditioned than even thru-hikers of real world. D&D is a gritty world and the average person couldn't make the hikes but adventurers are naturally a cut above the rest, even at level one! Keep on keeping on!
I've personally gone on an 8km (about 5mi) walk including a fair bit of that being up-hill walking, and with a backpack as loaded down with novels and text-books as I could manage. Also with a belly full of beer, a prior night without sleep, and it was during a winter night in a fairly forested part of Canada (not exactly a city). Made it home alive! lol The backpack loaded with books was intentional, I was pushing myself. Also did about 11km before, I think with a backpack full of stuff, but regardless of backpack it was basically all either downhill or level ground. Probably was also night time and probably also with a flask or two of liquor with me. If it wasn't winter, at least autumn or early spring when it was still cold. My favourite weather to be active in, back when I was physically fit and active. Now the most active I get is with my VR headset lol Edit: Oh and 11km is almost 7mi, so still not as much as this fellah. Probably would have been beneficial to have been as skinny as him, but I haven't been that skinny in about a decade, IF I was that skinny at the time. I like my booze and I like my food and gout sucks.
Here's the thing, you don't usually walk that much every day. An experienced adventurer would of walked that much for months or years before. There is a great line in the movie Gettysburg about that. I think it goes "The first thousand miles are a pain. After that, a man gets nimble on his feet."
3:10 he misses the 'random' encounter plot hook and now God is angrily shuffling around NPCs and lore sites to try and get this guy to go on the main quest.
The Average for Roman legionaries had an on-road march 1.2741 to 1.3411 m/s (2.85 to 3.0mph or 4.59kph to 4.83kph), with the lower value being more likely to have been the more common velocity, then factor in that Adventures go Off road more then on.
Cool video. Most of the Appalachian trail is in the mountains, where it's expected that people move at a slower pace. I'd bet my bottom dollar that people as accustomed to walking all day as the madlads that make that journey could easily do 23+ miles a day with all their gear on easier terrain. meanwhile my lazy ass can probably do like 10 miles max lol
Having a LOT of marching in my military time, yeah, 40km/24ish miles is totally possible in a day, even 50 km or more, on foot, with 10-20kg backpack. No problem there, we did it once a month alone, and I also did them in formation as preparation for the 4 day march in the Netherlands and the 2 days in Luxembourgh, each 40km. Though marching 4 days, every day 40km, really hurts the feet despite preparation and training.
Military infantry would do 24 miles in a hump with full load and possibly large weapon systems, but it's fair to say most of those people are trained in athletics.
I was Army Infantry. The basic minimum standard for roadmarching we trained to was 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 pound rucksack plus weapon. We never actually carried that little weight, usually twice that. But youre right; its about conditioning. We worked up to go that pace speed and pushed to go much faster. A campaign adventurer would also be conditioned for walking many miles regularly. 10th Mountain was my second unit.
For the appalachian trail aside -- I think it is worth noting that, the appalachians are a mountain range? it's not a 220 mile hike on level ground, those elevation changes and hills add up to more than people give them credit for, and it's why in older D&D editions at least there are penalties applied to how far you can move in hills, mountains, and other uneven sorts of terrain. (and I think in 5e too, but I'd have to double check -- I know it's a thing in 3.5's DMG though.) 24 miles on level ground for a day, if you're in good shape and accustomed to walking everywhere, is pretty reasonable, assuming decent weather, water, temperature, etc. That said, I definitely agree that it should be constitution based. Particularly with respect to how many hours a day you can walk before taking fatigue or exhaustion penalties. The izad with 6 con probably can't walk for 8 hours a day, the 10 con rogue probably can but won't be happy about it, the 16 con barbarian can do it easily, or at least comfortably while carrying all their gear, and probably some of the wizard's [or just... the wizard, for the last hour or two], etc.
"I'm going to take a short rest, about 30 minutes" DnD characters who have to wait at least 1 hour to get any benefit at all: "Is it possible to learn this power?"
24/2 is 12 hours of daylight (On a planet without a tilt, with a tilt then each latitude is different) . 12-8 hours is 4 hours. Why is this important well.. the relative time period that games like D&D are set in you'd have to spend a lot of time each evening making camp. It takes a LOT more firewood to have a fire all night then people think. Usually many mulitiple times more than a novice would collect. The amount of course varies but for simple comfort in a temperate in late fall you'd need about 40 full sized firelogs for a whole night. So 8 hours walking is actually really pushing it to be 'safe' and go all the other things you need to do such as eating and preparing for rest. This is why complete strangers would very easily share a camp in such periods because one person or ten you really only need one fire. Not to mention it was quite common to share a bed with a stranger, even in an inn.
For the mystery building: I think I know what trail you’re on, and it’s a converted railroad grade, established in the mid 1800’s but last used as such decades ago. The building would likely have been part of the railroad company’s infrastructure. The stone part of the building is pretty old. It’s right by the river… pure speculation now, but I wonder if it’s a place where they pumped water from the river for their steam engines? …. “You come to a small clearing, where there’s a derelict building by the side of the road. You can hear the river beyond the building.” “What is it?” “Roll a history check.” “12.” “Well, you notice different sections are made from a variety of materials in different styles. Some of the building is made of familiar stonework, but the rest is made of a sheer material you don’t recognize. It seems to have been built and used over multiple generations by forgotten people, using forgotten arts for forgotten purposes. Beyond that you have no idea.”
you also have to consider though that the more you walk the more your legs will get used to it, even in heavy armor and stuff. yes a lvl 1 character is going to be in pain and maybe not be able to make a 24 mile walk in 8 hours, but by lvl 5 that kind of thing should be easy. look at how far the romans could march (they were trained for 18 miles in 5 hours carrying 20kg) or how far modern soldiers in full packs can march (trained to do 12 miles in 3 hours carrying 30kg). So the higher the lvl and more often an adventurer goes on these day long travels, the easier it will be and the quicker or farther they could go
I can actualy walk 4-5 miles an hour for 4 hours straight but im built very athletic and hiking with my dogs is a hobby of mine so i gotta keep a bit of a pace with them. I think it still depends on the stats of a pc aswell as "your" stats which supposedly is a 10 in everything. But it really depends on the person. My record for a one hike trip is roughly 50 miles in a day, about 10-11 hours with just one major break being an 80 minutes lunch break. My nature checks on the other hand is like a -2 so you have that going for you :D
3:08 Come forth adventure awaits lol Entering the abandoned building scraping your arm on the metal you are afflicted with tetanus. There is no cure lol.
I mean if you walk everywhere every day you could probably do that this sort of travel easily. I use to do a lot of camping and walking and could easily manage that pace with all my camping gear and the week's food on my back. You're right with it being a CON check to maintain pace though. Maybe even an INT check now and again to remain clear headed and not mistake a landmark and get lost.
The scat is almost definitely a fox. Most animals try to hide it but foxes try their best to show it off. That is except for bears who somehow manage to stack their dropping in what looks like a pyramid of cans of soda. Also 18mi/day in the mountains is insane while 24mi/day on flat land is pretty reasonable for a seasoned "adventurer".
So counter proposal to the "grittier" rules...Adventurers are going to be FIT, even if they don't have huge physical stats. Take any soldier who has to hike/jog/run all the time, and I they would be able to go a lot further than the average civilian. Further, a forced march is typically a march with a little extra giddyup, maybe around 4mph over a very long time. It sucks, which is why it is generally only used for closing with an enemy, or disengaging.
It's fun watching people try to work out how real world would apply to fantasy. Yes, you can wave it off as being fantasy. But I think one of the big points we've come to realize is that having the world be grounded is part of the fun. If your party can walk 16,000 miles in two hours then your world is going to be tiny. Also, people eating plants off of the pathway are brave. People walk their dogs out there.
Having walked the Camino Frances and Camino Primitivo, I've done multiple days of 24-30 (45-50km) with a 13kg(28lbs) backpack, granted it took 12-14 hours with breaks, and I was (and am) not in what I would describe as "in shape" or "athletic" .... so it is def. feasible.... my pace was on average 3mph (5kph) not counting the break times.... weather is a factor, but rain, and generally cool weather is preferrable to heat ...
If Bob is a ranger, then which conclave will you chose when you break from the commonfolk to an adventurer? Or will you chose another class? Ranger Bob, Wizardress Grace, and what for Stephen? Also, which tradition will Grace choose? Same for whatever subclass for whatever Class Stephen would be.
Roman legionaries in full gear were expected to be able to March 24 roman miles, in modern miles that's 22 miles, in 6 hrs. that is a pace of 3.6 MPH. that's moving at a pretty good clip. Full gear for a Roman soldier was 60-80 lbs. so I'd say 24 miles in 8 hours would be reasonable and not too taxing for someone who travels on foot regularly.
Oh my god, I walked the entire perimeter of Manhattan once. Ultralight because it was an event. 33 miles and my legs were JELLY. I can't imagine, armor, weapons, potions...then fighting randomly. Makes no sense.
I generally walk 5 miles a day in about 2 hours. It would depend on the terrain. I can easily double it to 10 miles with a rest in between, so I can believe I *COULD* walk 24 miles in a day, but likely in more than 8 hours.
I think you are onto something with based travel per day on a character's Constitution score. The Appalachian trail goes over a lot of hills and mountains. That's a lot harder then the trail you were walking, which looked flat to me. So if your legs were that affected by this walk, I don't think you could do it over steep terrain. Others do it routinely, but that's because they are used to it. Still others wouldn't be able to do what you did. So it does vary greatly between individuals. A party can only move as fast as the slowest person.
People in past ages were generally fitter than we are these days, although admittedly that was because the unfit often died. They needed to be fit, since only the rich generally owned horses or similar forms of transport and walking was the only way to travel for the majority, unless you could afford to pay someone for a ride on an ox-wagon.
the poo you found on the street is from a marten. they tend to poo on exposed, high places to mark their terretory. I also thought that the travelling is a little ambitious in DnD...I travelled a lot by foot and with heavy gear and ist is not that easy and can lower your mood drastically when walking in the wrong weather.
10:55 the reason you don't find the wild berries is that you forgot to reduce to 1/2 speed and needed to hit a high dc or crit your roll, also you were competing with all the wildlife that also like to eat strawberries. plus foraging also includes hunting not just gathering edible plants so...
Now put on a travellers backpack with 2 longswords, a shield and two javalins in it :D and rations for 10 days. Etc. Ugg. Ofc adventurers needs breaks. But. Most wants to skip it anyway.
Gotta think that this would be much easier for real world humans from lower tech, walking/working/on your feet constantly your whole life time periods.
That poop looks like it has lots of berries in it. It looks very similar to the bear poop I see in my forest. It’s pretty large, so unlikely to be a skunk or something small. Not sure where Bob lives, but if it’s in an area with bears, that would be my guess.
In the Army we’d do 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 lbs of gear plus weapons. So that’s 15 minute miles. I really think that an adventurer who would walk every where, they could do that….but they’d be smoked at the end of the day.
What a handsome guy, I'd go on a walk with you! Also, way to test the real thing, having and testing a hypothesis yourself is the basis of science and nerdom! *applause*
Clerics should have healing spells that prevent sore legs from traveling. In fact healing magic could completely prevent exhaustion, allowing for much faster and further travel. Healing magic gets ignored in how it would change daily life.
As a regular human commoner i can walk 24 miles in 8 hours, but if I did it every day for a week I would probably develop shin splints and recover for 4 weeks after the stunt.
I can pretty much guarantee this is possible even with a 100 lbs of gear. I did a wilderness program and we regularly walked 20+ miles in 8 hours. It's probably more like 22 and not 24, but still
So, this is an old video - but I am a little bored. I kinda try to approximate real human distances - although my map scales are not consistent. A typical "leisure" pace is ~ 7 miles a day. This is for real people, not D&D - but humans are humans. A long day pace is about 14 miles a day. This is why in the west (US) towns or stops were/are often about 7-14 miles apart. This lets you take the wagon to the next town and get back home before dark I suppose - or spend the night and come back next day. Read a nice story that travelers didn't like to travel at night unless it was a really bright moon. A ruck march is about 14 miles a day (with a heavy load and you are expected to be "ready" at the end) and a long march is ~20 miles (with gear). That I got from a paratrooper. So I could see a forced march being about 24 miles. Interestingly, using a wagon/horses doesn't seem to change much other than the amount of gear you can move. Now, you could go further...I did 30 miles in one day one (on flat roads with no gear but water). But, I could not walk the next day. It was painful to even stand. I wasn't trained - but even trained I think that would be about the limit. WHen I was in really good shape I could do 4-10 miles on a rugged (moderate to difficult) mountain hike - terrain makes a huge diff obviously/.
On one side if you walked every day and were in fantastic shape it would be realistic. But in a real d&d campaign once you figured in, weather, elevation, terrain, weight of your gear it would be slower. Also imagine that unlike military or hiking the d&d armor and weapons are not only heavy but cumbersome to carry and wear. Put on some chain mail, carry a long sword, shield, cross bow and bolts (how bout some gold too)... But I guess that's why they invented a bag of holding.
24 miles in 8 hours, well that's roughly 1.3 meters per second. Seeing as in Sweden, 10688 meters is what we called a mile and half of that distance was called a rest, and let us see, 24 miles is about 38km so slightly lower than 4 Swedish miles, and as such you'd only need 7 rests on the way and if each rest is 15 minutes, then we can say that it's roughly 1.7 meters per second that your pace would have to be, to do that, and that's roughly 5.6 feet per second. So yeah, it's possible, it wouldn't be pleasant. Oh and if you did that once per week or so, you'd actually find that you'd automatically increase the pace you're walking in, and you could eventually do 24 miles in 6 hours, which is actually a really decent walking pace. It's basically walking a marathon, and walking like that is something I wish I could do again. There's something extremely enjoyable about just going out and walking, I used to walk just over 3 miles twice per week, because it was nice, I'd do it again, if I had the time to do so, in my life. Oh and walking between 10-20 miles per week is actually really healthy, I used to walk a lot during my working hours, but now my work is basically standing still all day, and it bores me to death. I hate being still, even if I love doing my tasks, it's just too many tasks where I stand still, for me to feel good in life. But enough about me. Nature is a beautiful place to just walk around and enjoy the ambience.
Yeah average backpacker walks around 2.5 miles an hour depending on terrain. Your DND char is suppose to be an individual who is above an average person in ability. I would say You could and I have altered the party pace to reflect the difficulty of terrain. it is effective way to help describe the path in a very effective way. if the party is bush whacking up hill cut the travel speed by 3/4 or if bush whacking thru a farmers field of wheat cut it by 1/4 ect. The rougher the slower also the easier the faster say a slop down for several mile on a well maintained road increase by 1/2 or so. Just Ideas on how you can reflect terrain by party travel speed. You could also really make the travel interactive if you require a check for something parodically.
I think what you are not taking into account is the life style people had hundreds of years ago. This would be similar to what you would see in D&D I think to some degree. Anyway these people for the most part came from hardier stock, with nearly everything in their life being physical in some way. So through this conditioning you would likely see people be able to complete this trek even loaded up with their gear. You would likely even see a greater pace in individuals trained for such a thing. If I recall the Roman Legions often traversed 20 miles a day in like 5-6 hours.
I actually attempted a run of this with a load equivalent to the maximum carrying capacity of a D&D backpack (30lbs.); the backpack consisted of some of the normal things an adventurer would have, but that's not too important. Now after finishing I'll definitely say that, unless you do this kind of thing regularly, (which I don't, I do similar distances without a load); this is a very NOT good idea. But on the other hand, it gave me some good insights to the realism of D&D's movement system. My trip was just over 16 miles over an average terrain variation on mostly gravel road and I was able to "comfortably" travel 12 miles before the exhaustion really started to kick in. I doubt I would have made it much farther than I did without some sort of long term rest. So with this I'd probably say that the average commoner would be able to go consistently 10-12 miles during a long term trip with this load or light armor and 5-7 miles for someone with heavy armor. Though if someone were to train themselves in this activity, most would probably make the 24 miles, but for all except the most talented they would not be able top do it for many days in a row.
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Looking forward to that video. What armors will you be wearing?
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I am a new DM. We are moving into chapter 2 in Rime of the Frost maiden.
The issue of traveling is pertinent for me as a DM right now.
Tho this video is kind of LOL, it helped me! - Thanks!
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I can’t believe that you didn’t go into that abandoned building
The GM obviously had a storyhook in there.
As a DM, I feel this in my soul. "You're not gonna go in there? Seriously? K.... :( "
That abandoned building is obviously for higher level characters
@@FluffyTheGryphon I once had a dungeon for my players inside a sealed well. I showed them tracks to the well, they skipped it. They camped and I showed them a guy coming out of it, and running when he saw them. They didn't do anything. They came back for a spot to camp again so I showed them the well unsealed. They still didn't go in. I had an npc say they heard the bad guys talking about a well. They still didn't go in.
Ikr! I instantly was like oh cool an irl dungeon
Saving it for a dungeon delve! Haha
Can we award inspiration points to DMs? If so, each of us needs to give Bob one or two for doing this.
Thanks Gray! :)
To quote Matt Mercer during his Exandria Unlimited playthrough: "No!No!No!No! Don't do that!"
As someone who has gone on multiple 20+ mile rucks with ~150 pounds of gear (including armor), I feel like the D&D travel rules are pretty realistic.
Sounds like you’re a real hero!
Yup, it's definitely doable with training. Speaking from experience. In U.S. Army basic training you are required to complete a weighted ruck march of 12 miles in under 3 hours. The weighted load is to simulate a fighting load which is about 70 pounds usually, unless you are part of a 2 man machine gun team then you are probably pushing 85-90 between weapon and/or ammo depending on if you are the gunner or feeding the ammo. The D&D rules are definitely realistic considering that your adventurers are probably in damn good shape.
The adventurer is in good shape, yes, but not necessarily Army Ranger good shape.
Some of these guys may be fighters used to the hard travel on untamed lands. The bards carrying their instruments just starting their adventuring life wouldn't be used to that yet, nor would the old wizard that's on his final trip.
20 miles makes for easy math, but 15 miles might be kinder on those with less Constitution. I would definitely have their walking endurance be based on their Constitution score.
@@benwagner5089 doesn't have to be a ranger lol. I wasn't in great shape when I joined the army. I got to the point where I was able to do that 12 mile march with ease. It occured at the end of week 8 of basic. So only 8 weeks of morning pt and marching with a fighting load's worth of weight everyday got me to that point. The point about some of the softer classes not having to the stamina at the start of a campaign is legitimate though. I still think they could power through a long walk.
@@pwnerman1717 But as Bob experienced when he came back to the "goblin ambush," after walking for so long he wouldn't have been in good condition to fight them off. Especially since the boss fights typically occur at the end of a long trek of fighting smaller skirmishes.
When building my characters I almost always go for a horse and cart. One of my favorite things to do is to play a crafter that sells stuff out of his cart, turning it into a market stall in towns and selling wares right out of it. The downside of cart travel is having to stick to roads and paths wide enough for a cart, though. I did make a self propelled flying cart in one campaign.
From my experience: for an average human without any physical preparations for travel, 18 miles in 8 hours with 60 pounds of stuff are really reasonable. But if you had workout and travelled all of your life, I see that's possible to walk 24 miles with heavier backpack in 8 hours. Also whether completely changes your walking speed and comfort, as Bob said, but very hot sunny day is much more preferable than any rainy day. For example, after all day walk in the rain, you'll get many corns and have your feet skinned, so the very next day you will walk slower and surely less comfortable.
EDIT: Thanks to @pawakin and @Eric Taysom I realized that I made a mistake. I forgot that we're getting up earlier and for sure it was 12 hours per day. Also I could overestimate heaviness of the backpack because simply I tried to remember what I had and quickly add up masses. It could be around 40 pounds or maybe even less. Sorry for my mistakes. Now 24 miles in 8 hours seems much more unrealistic.
Ohh great point. I didn’t think about how the moisture would really wreck your feet. Dry socks forever!
@@BobWorldBuilder Yeah and there're a lot more of downsides of rain. Wet clothes, how to keep stuff in your backpack dry, putting up tent in the rain, camping on wet dirt and much more xD Normally I hate scorching sun but while traveling on foot, it's a blessing!
@@BobWorldBuilder It's important to change your socks regularly. Ask anyone who has been in the military. We had to change our socks a couple of times a day and we definitely did this "forced march" with gear.
@@robertmasengale9366 Always had extra socks, and for years would buy new socks for every three week ex., because there are few joys like putting on a nice pair of dry clean socks. I also packed a pair of gortex socks, so if I ended up soaking my boots, I could take them off, but on dry socks, then put on the gortex ones as a layer between dry socks and wet boots.
@@BobWorldBuilder Also why taking off your boots to cross a stream can be a good idea.
Thanks for doing this video! As a novice outdoorsman, I've only done a hike like this a handful of times, and you pretty much nailed the feeling of "the suck" toward the end: everything feels like lead weights and your lower half feels completely disassociated and just pain.
What's even worse is that D&D adventures and backpackers alike typically spend days upon days at this pace, which you can only imagine how waking up the next morning just to do it again feels like
One of the things I love to do as a player is to buy a wagon or a cart to travel in. Allows for a “little home” to return to after solving a story arc in a city, a place to keep our stuff before we get a bag of holding, and nice RP reason to why we travel as far as we do in a day
This is the first video of yours that I have seen, and I really enjoyed it. You have a brilliant narrative voice and an easy charm. Brilliant!
Never dare this dude.That's commitment right there. Earned my sub.Kudos!
Haha much appreciated :)
Long ago, as a young Army Ranger infantryman, we walked over 100 miles in a single week. The first day we walked 36 miles, in about 11~12 total hours of walking. We were fit, used to walking and running nearly every day, and regularly carried packs of 60~80 lbs, and for special missions might carry up to 120 lbs of gear on our person. Of course, the day we walked 36 miles we had our packs on only until our lunch break, at which point we put our packs in a truck that was following us, that was about the 12~15 mile mark. The second day we walked about 18 miles, 22 miles the third day, about 24 the fourth day, and just 12 or so on the last day. As a long time DM/GM in many an adventure, this experience (along with all the other military training I did) helped keep such in game travel in perspective. And, yes, when I play a PC, I buy a pack mule and/or riding horse as soon as I can... and then hope they don't get eaten if I leaven them staked to a tree or line somewhere. ;)
Great point about having a mount - I always buy one for my character, my party thinks I'm odd (and taking up more food usage), but gosh darnit if you're carrying anything remotely close to a lot of gear and don't want to arrive tired to a location a horse is a must!
I think it's reasonable to expect that an adventurer is used to walking. I typically walk 10km for enjoyment and exercise most days, and on weekends I regularly walk 25km or more. When I started this walking regime (at the age of 58 - I'm 63 now) I found it strenuous to walk even 5km, especially if hills were involved, whereas now I think nothing of a 15km round trip walk where most people in my city would use a car. Where I walk we participate in competitions called "Marchathon" and "Walktober", so in those months I walk a lot further, averaging over 20k steps for March, including several days where I walked more than 40km. So I would challenge you to spend a month gradually increasing your walking distance (perhaps even with a small backpack) and *then* do another test for 24miles and see how much easier it becomes. Also: it's a great way to get to know more of the world around you!
Our group of reenactors once climbed a Welsh mountain for charity wearing only period clothing. The chap in "half plate" was a champion, sweating buckets but never complained. I was a barefoot peasant with a basket on his back and the people we met were always more concerned about my feet than the man literally encased in steel and thick padding on a hot day.
I did a Semester at a school on RPG’s and what they mean. I had a Warrior, heavy chainmail, a helm, sword belt, an Arming Sword, Dagger, Heater Shield, backpack: change of clothes, 2 large cans of food, 1 liter bottle of water, 50 foot of rope, small hammer, sharpening stone, small mirror, a coin bag with mixed tokens. Forgot the cloak. Had a setup for a Wizard and a Thief. I had the group walk 2 miles around the running track. They then had a better liking for the distance vs walking and stats of their characters in their stories.
I once took on an epic quest to see the world's tallest tree. There were two other options that were easier, but there was a chance that I would not get the opportunity to even start those, so I chose the 15 mile round trip on a gentle grade. I made it, but the tree is now just another Coastal Redwood, as a bolt of lightning caused it to lose it's crown. The tallest tree is now kept secret, as is the oldest tree.
Hey Bob! The Road is an amazing read! I'm happy to see that it gets mentioned here! -- Kind of heart-wrenching in places, kind of like "I Am Legend."
In mythology, there is the concept of Seven League Boots, which allow you to do 'a day's travel in one step'. A league is roughly 3 miles, so when you figure in an average human walking speed of roughly 3 mph, 7 hours travel does get you 7 leagues, or roughly 21 miles. Assuming you rest several times along the way (at least an hour's worth), this math checks out. For this reason, a hex on one of my homebrew maps equals 7 leagues.
Nice!
Awesome trip.
Of course, doing the same trip day after day would build up more stamina!
I've been hiking a few thru-hikes between about 200-300 miles long and at the end of those hikes, a 24 mile hike wasn't hard, yet my hikes was lasting less than two weeks.
Doing those travels for a couple of months would build up even more stamina.
I carried on average about 20 lbs, so the packing was small and light, but most armies make soldier carry about 55 lbs over several days about those distances.
in 1066, godwinson's army walked about 24 miles a day in a march from stamford bridge to hastings in armour, with supplies. Maybe this is where they got the idea from
This ended up on my feed and I can’t believe it
It’s my top 3 topics - rpgs, exercise/fitness, and the great outdoors
Me and grandpa used to do 20 minute miles on the Appalachian Trail on day-hikes. Much rougher terrain and with heavier packs since we cooked lunch at our destination and then hiked back the same route.
I would add that while most people (in relative good shape) could do a 24 miles trip in a day (if not necessarily in 8 consecutive hours) it's pretty hard to keep it up over several days. At 12 my dad took me and my brother to a trip in the mountain and 38 km (roughly 24miles) was our longest day iirc. It was made harder by the fact that we had our hiking backpacks and that a good third of the distance was walking upwards. But we made it, with a week of travel and each day between 30 and 38km to go
3:13 draw weapons in prep and roll investigation checks!
navigating takes more time than people think, especially if you were in a 'no compass, no map' situation. you'd be making multiple detours to high ground or asking locals. on multi-day hikes i tend to do 20-30 miles per day, depending on elevation change, and that's on really clear well marked and safe routes, with a complete lack of plate mail on my person :P
Travel time is waaay variable. Even, say, fair weather, level, well-trod roads, perfect health, and motivated travellers, you have equipment problems, unexpected road blocks, wash outs, or traffic, issues with bugs or wildfire smoke or dust, and random encounters, of course. And then you throw in little things like toe stubs and jabs through a soft sole and minor twisted ankles, such things impact combat little, but can still hamper long travel, or can be made worse by travelling too fast, etc. Boots need resoling. Pack straps wear. Pouches and clothing get holes. Skins and jugs spring leaks. The very same stretch of road could take more or less time to travel, depending just on mood and motive -- depending how a group is acting, say, you could pace them more as sauntering rather than marching. And slowing down leaves more time for problems to crop up, so slowing more than just a bit may quickly give way to half-pace what with encounters and other checks happening more in a shorter distance. And it only takes the one character to slow the whole group. And it's one more good reason to track morale.
I believe the Roman Legion was known to travel about 20 to 25 miles a day while being fully battle ready in their armor and gear (I don't know if it was just 8 hours though or if that could have been a longer day)
I couldn't imagine.those soldiers we're used to it.and those templer soldiers to,heavy equipment.
this was awesome. I am all about the gritty realism in my games. I say that adventurers are significantly better conditioned than even thru-hikers of real world. D&D is a gritty world and the average person couldn't make the hikes but adventurers are naturally a cut above the rest, even at level one! Keep on keeping on!
It's alot different when you take in account the weight of your armor, weapons
I've personally gone on an 8km (about 5mi) walk including a fair bit of that being up-hill walking, and with a backpack as loaded down with novels and text-books as I could manage. Also with a belly full of beer, a prior night without sleep, and it was during a winter night in a fairly forested part of Canada (not exactly a city). Made it home alive! lol The backpack loaded with books was intentional, I was pushing myself. Also did about 11km before, I think with a backpack full of stuff, but regardless of backpack it was basically all either downhill or level ground. Probably was also night time and probably also with a flask or two of liquor with me. If it wasn't winter, at least autumn or early spring when it was still cold. My favourite weather to be active in, back when I was physically fit and active. Now the most active I get is with my VR headset lol
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Oh and 11km is almost 7mi, so still not as much as this fellah. Probably would have been beneficial to have been as skinny as him, but I haven't been that skinny in about a decade, IF I was that skinny at the time. I like my booze and I like my food and gout sucks.
Here's the thing, you don't usually walk that much every day. An experienced adventurer would of walked that much for months or years before. There is a great line in the movie Gettysburg about that.
I think it goes "The first thousand miles are a pain. After that, a man gets nimble on his feet."
3:10 he misses the 'random' encounter plot hook and now God is angrily shuffling around NPCs and lore sites to try and get this guy to go on the main quest.
The Average for Roman legionaries had an on-road march 1.2741 to 1.3411 m/s (2.85 to 3.0mph or 4.59kph to 4.83kph), with the lower value being more likely to have been the more common velocity, then factor in that Adventures go Off road more then on.
Bob literally went out into overland travel, complete with random (scenic/locations of interest) encounters
Legend
Cool video.
Most of the Appalachian trail is in the mountains, where it's expected that people move at a slower pace. I'd bet my bottom dollar that people as accustomed to walking all day as the madlads that make that journey could easily do 23+ miles a day with all their gear on easier terrain.
meanwhile my lazy ass can probably do like 10 miles max lol
Lost it (laughing) and subscribed with the "I'm at a plateau of pain."
Being a veteran, I found myself comparing your walk here to our ruck marches (often between 65-75 pounds of gear in the ruck + weapon, 12-miles in
Having a LOT of marching in my military time, yeah, 40km/24ish miles is totally possible in a day, even 50 km or more, on foot, with 10-20kg backpack. No problem there, we did it once a month alone, and I also did them in formation as preparation for the 4 day march in the Netherlands and the 2 days in Luxembourgh, each 40km.
Though marching 4 days, every day 40km, really hurts the feet despite preparation and training.
Now do it with a 65lb pack that the players seem to think weighs nothing at all, then do it cross country, no roads or trails. Neat video!
Military infantry would do 24 miles in a hump with full load and possibly large weapon systems, but it's fair to say most of those people are trained in athletics.
I was Army Infantry. The basic minimum standard for roadmarching we trained to was 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 pound rucksack plus weapon. We never actually carried that little weight, usually twice that. But youre right; its about conditioning. We worked up to go that pace speed and pushed to go much faster.
A campaign adventurer would also be conditioned for walking many miles regularly.
10th Mountain was my second unit.
For the appalachian trail aside -- I think it is worth noting that, the appalachians are a mountain range? it's not a 220 mile hike on level ground, those elevation changes and hills add up to more than people give them credit for, and it's why in older D&D editions at least there are penalties applied to how far you can move in hills, mountains, and other uneven sorts of terrain. (and I think in 5e too, but I'd have to double check -- I know it's a thing in 3.5's DMG though.)
24 miles on level ground for a day, if you're in good shape and accustomed to walking everywhere, is pretty reasonable, assuming decent weather, water, temperature, etc.
That said, I definitely agree that it should be constitution based. Particularly with respect to how many hours a day you can walk before taking fatigue or exhaustion penalties. The izad with 6 con probably can't walk for 8 hours a day, the 10 con rogue probably can but won't be happy about it, the 16 con barbarian can do it easily, or at least comfortably while carrying all their gear, and probably some of the wizard's [or just... the wizard, for the last hour or two], etc.
Just for other references the army infantry guys do a 12 mile ruck with load (~80 pounds) and weapon in 3 hours.
hmmm... I wonder if you are doing these videos to test D&D rules, OR as an excuse to do exercise? :-P
It's definitely both lol
I’m a fit individual and hiking with a pack hinders your movement a lot. And don’t forget the elevation gain and terrain!
You start your adventure hearing a loud bird.... Thank you for doing this.
"I'm going to take a short rest, about 30 minutes"
DnD characters who have to wait at least 1 hour to get any benefit at all: "Is it possible to learn this power?"
24/2 is 12 hours of daylight (On a planet without a tilt, with a tilt then each latitude is different) . 12-8 hours is 4 hours. Why is this important well.. the relative time period that games like D&D are set in you'd have to spend a lot of time each evening making camp. It takes a LOT more firewood to have a fire all night then people think. Usually many mulitiple times more than a novice would collect. The amount of course varies but for simple comfort in a temperate in late fall you'd need about 40 full sized firelogs for a whole night.
So 8 hours walking is actually really pushing it to be 'safe' and go all the other things you need to do such as eating and preparing for rest. This is why complete strangers would very easily share a camp in such periods because one person or ten you really only need one fire. Not to mention it was quite common to share a bed with a stranger, even in an inn.
For the mystery building: I think I know what trail you’re on, and it’s a converted railroad grade, established in the mid 1800’s but last used as such decades ago. The building would likely have been part of the railroad company’s infrastructure. The stone part of the building is pretty old. It’s right by the river… pure speculation now, but I wonder if it’s a place where they pumped water from the river for their steam engines?
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“You come to a small clearing, where there’s a derelict building by the side of the road. You can hear the river beyond the building.” “What is it?” “Roll a history check.” “12.” “Well, you notice different sections are made from a variety of materials in different styles. Some of the building is made of familiar stonework, but the rest is made of a sheer material you don’t recognize. It seems to have been built and used over multiple generations by forgotten people, using forgotten arts for forgotten purposes. Beyond that you have no idea.”
The Roman army would tear down their camp, carry all of their kit, walk 30 miles, and build their new camp every day on march.
As someone who drives a LOT for work...even sitting in a vehicle on smooth highway for hours at a time can get exhausting.
you also have to consider though that the more you walk the more your legs will get used to it, even in heavy armor and stuff. yes a lvl 1 character is going to be in pain and maybe not be able to make a 24 mile walk in 8 hours, but by lvl 5 that kind of thing should be easy. look at how far the romans could march (they were trained for 18 miles in 5 hours carrying 20kg) or how far modern soldiers in full packs can march (trained to do 12 miles in 3 hours carrying 30kg). So the higher the lvl and more often an adventurer goes on these day long travels, the easier it will be and the quicker or farther they could go
I can actualy walk 4-5 miles an hour for 4 hours straight but im built very athletic and hiking with my dogs is a hobby of mine so i gotta keep a bit of a pace with them. I think it still depends on the stats of a pc aswell as "your" stats which supposedly is a 10 in everything. But it really depends on the person. My record for a one hike trip is roughly 50 miles in a day, about 10-11 hours with just one major break being an 80 minutes lunch break.
My nature checks on the other hand is like a -2 so you have that going for you :D
3:08 Come forth adventure awaits lol
Entering the abandoned building scraping your arm on the metal you are afflicted with tetanus. There is no cure lol.
I mean if you walk everywhere every day you could probably do that this sort of travel easily. I use to do a lot of camping and walking and could easily manage that pace with all my camping gear and the week's food on my back. You're right with it being a CON check to maintain pace though. Maybe even an INT check now and again to remain clear headed and not mistake a landmark and get lost.
The scat is almost definitely a fox. Most animals try to hide it but foxes try their best to show it off. That is except for bears who somehow manage to stack their dropping in what looks like a pyramid of cans of soda. Also 18mi/day in the mountains is insane while 24mi/day on flat land is pretty reasonable for a seasoned "adventurer".
So counter proposal to the "grittier" rules...Adventurers are going to be FIT, even if they don't have huge physical stats. Take any soldier who has to hike/jog/run all the time, and I they would be able to go a lot further than the average civilian.
Further, a forced march is typically a march with a little extra giddyup, maybe around 4mph over a very long time. It sucks, which is why it is generally only used for closing with an enemy, or disengaging.
It's fun watching people try to work out how real world would apply to fantasy. Yes, you can wave it off as being fantasy. But I think one of the big points we've come to realize is that having the world be grounded is part of the fun. If your party can walk 16,000 miles in two hours then your world is going to be tiny.
Also, people eating plants off of the pathway are brave. People walk their dogs out there.
Having walked the Camino Frances and Camino Primitivo, I've done multiple days of 24-30 (45-50km) with a 13kg(28lbs) backpack, granted it took 12-14 hours with breaks, and I was (and am) not in what I would describe as "in shape" or "athletic" .... so it is def. feasible.... my pace was on average 3mph (5kph) not counting the break times.... weather is a factor, but rain, and generally cool weather is preferrable to heat ...
If Bob is a ranger, then which conclave will you chose when you break from the commonfolk to an adventurer? Or will you chose another class? Ranger Bob, Wizardress Grace, and what for Stephen? Also, which tradition will Grace choose? Same for whatever subclass for whatever Class Stephen would be.
Roman legionaries in full gear were expected to be able to March 24 roman miles, in modern miles that's 22 miles, in 6 hrs. that is a pace of 3.6 MPH. that's moving at a pretty good clip. Full gear for a Roman soldier was 60-80 lbs. so I'd say 24 miles in 8 hours would be reasonable and not too taxing for someone who travels on foot regularly.
Oh my god, I walked the entire perimeter of Manhattan once. Ultralight because it was an event. 33 miles and my legs were JELLY. I can't imagine, armor, weapons, potions...then fighting randomly. Makes no sense.
I generally walk 5 miles a day in about 2 hours. It would depend on the terrain. I can easily double it to 10 miles with a rest in between, so I can believe I *COULD* walk 24 miles in a day, but likely in more than 8 hours.
My dnd party travels via wagon, and I'm glad we do.
I think you are onto something with based travel per day on a character's Constitution score. The Appalachian trail goes over a lot of hills and mountains. That's a lot harder then the trail you were walking, which looked flat to me. So if your legs were that affected by this walk, I don't think you could do it over steep terrain. Others do it routinely, but that's because they are used to it. Still others wouldn't be able to do what you did. So it does vary greatly between individuals. A party can only move as fast as the slowest person.
I love to mix and match rules from different systems. How the hell am I not subscribe to this channel?
Man, you surely got the level of "great inquisitor"
11:00 ah yes, my least favourite plant in the whole world!
I love reading through-hiker biographies.
People in past ages were generally fitter than we are these days, although admittedly that was because the unfit often died. They needed to be fit, since only the rich generally owned horses or similar forms of transport and walking was the only way to travel for the majority, unless you could afford to pay someone for a ride on an ox-wagon.
the poo you found on the street is from a marten. they tend to poo on exposed, high places to mark their terretory. I also thought that the travelling is a little ambitious in DnD...I travelled a lot by foot and with heavy gear and ist is not that easy and can lower your mood drastically when walking in the wrong weather.
10:55 the reason you don't find the wild berries is that you forgot to reduce to 1/2 speed and needed to hit a high dc or crit your roll, also you were competing with all the wildlife that also like to eat strawberries. plus foraging also includes hunting not just gathering edible plants so...
Now put on a travellers backpack with 2 longswords, a shield and two javalins in it :D and rations for 10 days. Etc. Ugg. Ofc adventurers needs breaks. But. Most wants to skip it anyway.
In all honesty fantasy character being without cars and modern travel were probably a lot better at walking long distances then our modern legs.
Gotta think that this would be much easier for real world humans from lower tech, walking/working/on your feet constantly your whole life time periods.
That poop looks like it has lots of berries in it. It looks very similar to the bear poop I see in my forest. It’s pretty large, so unlikely to be a skunk or something small. Not sure where Bob lives, but if it’s in an area with bears, that would be my guess.
It's been years since I GMed a game but when I did I made d100 charts to roll for each day of travel.
dude I love your hair had long hair just like it in highschool
In the Army we’d do 12 miles in 3 hours with 35 lbs of gear plus weapons. So that’s 15 minute miles. I really think that an adventurer who would walk every where, they could do that….but they’d be smoked at the end of the day.
What a handsome guy, I'd go on a walk with you! Also, way to test the real thing, having and testing a hypothesis yourself is the basis of science and nerdom! *applause*
This was an awesome idea and video!
Clerics should have healing spells that prevent sore legs from traveling. In fact healing magic could completely prevent exhaustion, allowing for much faster and further travel. Healing magic gets ignored in how it would change daily life.
I've hiked 16 miles before. It's extremely exhausting. Although it was a mountain trail and first time.
I did this casually walking between dorms parties the first week of college
Edit: for encumbrance, there was an intermittent backpack of beer
As a regular human commoner i can walk 24 miles in 8 hours, but if I did it every day for a week I would probably develop shin splints and recover for 4 weeks after the stunt.
I read "the road", it withered my aloe vera.
I can pretty much guarantee this is possible even with a 100 lbs of gear. I did a wilderness program and we regularly walked 20+ miles in 8 hours. It's probably more like 22 and not 24, but still
But the part I want to know about is: How did you feel the next day? Ready to do it all again?
So, this is an old video - but I am a little bored. I kinda try to approximate real human distances - although my map scales are not consistent. A typical "leisure" pace is ~ 7 miles a day. This is for real people, not D&D - but humans are humans. A long day pace is about 14 miles a day. This is why in the west (US) towns or stops were/are often about 7-14 miles apart. This lets you take the wagon to the next town and get back home before dark I suppose - or spend the night and come back next day. Read a nice story that travelers didn't like to travel at night unless it was a really bright moon. A ruck march is about 14 miles a day (with a heavy load and you are expected to be "ready" at the end) and a long march is ~20 miles (with gear). That I got from a paratrooper. So I could see a forced march being about 24 miles. Interestingly, using a wagon/horses doesn't seem to change much other than the amount of gear you can move. Now, you could go further...I did 30 miles in one day one (on flat roads with no gear but water). But, I could not walk the next day. It was painful to even stand. I wasn't trained - but even trained I think that would be about the limit. WHen I was in really good shape I could do 4-10 miles on a rugged (moderate to difficult) mountain hike - terrain makes a huge diff obviously/.
On one side if you walked every day and were in fantastic shape it would be realistic. But in a real d&d campaign once you figured in, weather, elevation, terrain, weight of your gear it would be slower. Also imagine that unlike military or hiking the d&d armor and weapons are not only heavy but cumbersome to carry and wear. Put on some chain mail, carry a long sword, shield, cross bow and bolts (how bout some gold too)... But I guess that's why they invented a bag of holding.
24 miles in 8 hours, well that's roughly 1.3 meters per second. Seeing as in Sweden, 10688 meters is what we called a mile and half of that distance was called a rest, and let us see, 24 miles is about 38km so slightly lower than 4 Swedish miles, and as such you'd only need 7 rests on the way and if each rest is 15 minutes, then we can say that it's roughly 1.7 meters per second that your pace would have to be, to do that, and that's roughly 5.6 feet per second. So yeah, it's possible, it wouldn't be pleasant.
Oh and if you did that once per week or so, you'd actually find that you'd automatically increase the pace you're walking in, and you could eventually do 24 miles in 6 hours, which is actually a really decent walking pace. It's basically walking a marathon, and walking like that is something I wish I could do again. There's something extremely enjoyable about just going out and walking, I used to walk just over 3 miles twice per week, because it was nice, I'd do it again, if I had the time to do so, in my life.
Oh and walking between 10-20 miles per week is actually really healthy, I used to walk a lot during my working hours, but now my work is basically standing still all day, and it bores me to death. I hate being still, even if I love doing my tasks, it's just too many tasks where I stand still, for me to feel good in life. But enough about me. Nature is a beautiful place to just walk around and enjoy the ambience.
This really makes me want to go for a hike!!!
Yeah average backpacker walks around 2.5 miles an hour depending on terrain. Your DND char is suppose to be an individual who is above an average person in ability. I would say You could and I have altered the party pace to reflect the difficulty of terrain. it is effective way to help describe the path in a very effective way. if the party is bush whacking up hill cut the travel speed by 3/4 or if bush whacking thru a farmers field of wheat cut it by 1/4 ect. The rougher the slower also the easier the faster say a slop down for several mile on a well maintained road increase by 1/2 or so. Just Ideas on how you can reflect terrain by party travel speed. You could also really make the travel interactive if you require a check for something parodically.
I think what you are not taking into account is the life style people had hundreds of years ago. This would be similar to what you would see in D&D I think to some degree. Anyway these people for the most part came from hardier stock, with nearly everything in their life being physical in some way. So through this conditioning you would likely see people be able to complete this trek even loaded up with their gear. You would likely even see a greater pace in individuals trained for such a thing. If I recall the Roman Legions often traversed 20 miles a day in like 5-6 hours.
I actually attempted a run of this with a load equivalent to the maximum carrying capacity of a D&D backpack (30lbs.); the backpack consisted of some of the normal things an adventurer would have, but that's not too important. Now after finishing I'll definitely say that, unless you do this kind of thing regularly, (which I don't, I do similar distances without a load); this is a very NOT good idea. But on the other hand, it gave me some good insights to the realism of D&D's movement system. My trip was just over 16 miles over an average terrain variation on mostly gravel road and I was able to "comfortably" travel 12 miles before the exhaustion really started to kick in. I doubt I would have made it much farther than I did without some sort of long term rest. So with this I'd probably say that the average commoner would be able to go consistently 10-12 miles during a long term trip with this load or light armor and 5-7 miles for someone with heavy armor. Though if someone were to train themselves in this activity, most would probably make the 24 miles, but for all except the most talented they would not be able top do it for many days in a row.
i don't know why this appeared in my recommended but thank you
That was not a wild strawberry! That was Potentilla Indica aka Mock Strawberry.
I do around 4-5 miles with my husky dog a day and I can do that in under 1 and a half to 2 hours depending on my speed.
That is very doable, though you would have to break a couple of times for food, water and bathroom ....
Didn’t get a super great look, but if you have coyotes, that’s a possibility for that nature check.
People did that in the civil war with no food and fought a battle at the end of it