Why the lack of success in Toronto? OverDrive - Hour 2 - 5/7/2024
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- Bryan Hayes, Jeff O’Neill and Jamie McLennan are joined by former NHL defenceman Chris Pronger to discuss the process of locker clean out day after being eliminated from the playoffs, the major decisions facing the Maple Leafs organization, why the lack of success in Toronto, the long break in the series between the Vancouver Canucks and Edmonton Oilers, a Stanley Cup worthy matchup between the Stars and Avalanche and more. The boys also chat about the future of John Tavares in Toronto, can the Maple Leafs can just let Mitch Marner walk as a unrestricted free agent, how would the public react if the team announced their plan to extend Marner at the management’s media availability on Friday and Hockey Canada’s decision to bring Pierre-Luc Dubois, Brandon Hagel and Nick Paul to the World Championship and send projected number 1 overall pick Macklin Celebrini and Adam Fantilli home.
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And on the seventh game Marner rested
😂 now that's a hall of fame burn
@@dh12. 💯 😂
Ha love it. So apt
Clearly Chris Pronger knows more then a lot of people. He nailed it on the head.
** Not using the resources effectively.
There is a reason he's an all-time great.
Let's be fair here, he isn't saying anything the average fan hasn't said for a long time now. Paying 4 guys on a team of 21? players half your budget is unwise use of resources, however you want to put it. If they were producing like they did mid season, nobody would care but they aren't and even got more MIA when it counted most, in the playoffs.
@@MisterMister5893 Oh absolutely, but despite nearly EVERYONE saying this, the Leafs kept running it back over and over and over again. What does that say about Toronto when damn near everyone knows the problem with their club and they continue to ignore it?
Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard.
The year the Leafs were arguably best set up to make a deep run was in 2021 and that is the year the Habs took them out. Habs fans love to remind Toronto of that.
I don't think they ever pass Vegas anyway.
"Habs fans" are wholly disappointed that Boston advanced.
Glad Prongers wife let him do the show
Been watching the Leafs since 1962 and since the 70s (with the exception of the early 90s ) they seem more interested in signing a "Superstar" that they can hype and sell merch (they always sold tickets) than building a solid team. I had hope when Shanny appeared, but then he went out and signed JT, which imo was a superstar and a rushed rebuild. The addition of JT encouraged their younger stars to ask that question "if JT can get 11mil why can't I, I score just as much" and here we are with too much money tied up in 4 or 5 guys.
PROBLEM over the past 8 seasons: During the regular season, the Core-4 scored at will but the goals dried up in the postseason.
Craig Berube a defense first head coach will teach each player the 200-ft game, but when it comes playoff time, how will he get them to score more? That seems to be the job of psychologists.
Jeff O´Neill is absolutely right regarding Marner! Why in hell would you like to sign a guy, that already showed you eight times, that he is absolutely useless in he post season? It's insanity to even think about something like that!
You have to want to win a Stanley Cup, not just be a rich hockey player living large in life.
Isn't the MLSE exactly that?
Pronger was like a cheat code in NHL 99. He was rated 99 and just smashed lol
We’re talking like the first round is the cup final ,even if they advanced their so far away from a cup win it’s scary !
You are right Chris!
Where is hour 3?
Marner would love it in Anaheim, Wouldnt have to play hard , Nice Low expectations, he could learn to surf !
You spelt Toronto incorrectly. Toronto is where players go when they want to get paid and don't need to really dig deep and sacrifice to have playoff success. I mean, the media and the fans whine for a bit at the end of the season, but at the beginning and middle of the seasons, the media and fans chant how you're the best in the league and how you should be in it for all the regular season awards, but again, you get paid in the end.
@@Marixa1979 not exactly - the leafs fans whine throughout the year too
Why would a NON PLAYOFF PLAYER like Marner be so valuable?
Or Matthews, or Nylander, or Tavares...
Mitch the witch
Leafs are one stud goalie and a number 1 defenceman also a gritty third line horse of a center away minus mitch marner and samsonov
ask Marner if he would sign next contract in off season to 5 to 8 mill or trade him for top D plus two first round picks, depending on how good the D is. top ten D is straight up for Marner
He will ask for 5+8 🤣🤣
Top d plus two 1sts.....are you on Crack? No way you get that.
Cup winning teams have snot in their core . The leafs do not and marner is the obvious one to move. Signing him for any amount wont give him snot
This would have never have happened if Aki Berg was around.
Corruption, chaos, mismanagement, internal power struggles in a very profitable sports organisation. A breeding ground for arrested development when playoff results are needed.
Get the big guy on more often
Pronger is pretty funny.
What is Chris Pronger doing or the next five years as there is a opening in the Leafs GM, or they can get a fifth or sixth GM in the books
What Tree has done so far is fine. I'm willing to give him a bit
His wife would never allow it. OILERS RULE
making whiskey
What ever his wife tells him to do
The Muskoka 5 faiked how stupid to think the core 4 would work. Management is the problem and then hiring weak GM's with no negotiating skills. But hey they are the richest Nhl franchise so the owners won't lose sleep over this disfunctional boys club.
Wow
See explanation from the last several years
Good, changes will be made now....the PP coach, has to go now....poor Keefe, scapegoat...he did a fine job. The PP did not score, 4 pylons, Reilly on the ice for that last goal....Reilly should not have been on the ice....just dreadful.....did he forget how to skate???........... none of this was Keefe's fault. You will be missed coach. Great things ahead for you.
That's exactly what the leafs do they try to build a happy family atmosphere instead of building a winning championship team atmosphere they can't see the difference between the two.
There is one problem with Mitch Marner. I don't really think he will get as much money anywhere else, because the GMs are not blind and they all see his inability to elevate his game in the play off. So I seriously doubt, that they will offer him what he is expecting.
I would have probably gone after Sam Bennett before he went to Florida. JT was always a mistake signing. The contract was never going to age well. Leafs need some Power guys maybe try to get Boeser or Konecy. But probably not going to happen. You can have Chychrun if you want?
lol we are going to be talking about this until the finals aren't we? nvm we got into the Chad Kelly situation.
John Carlson was a stud for the better part of 10 years.
It's really simple. They gave JT way too much money, gave Marner too much money too soon, gave Willie too much too soon & rewarded him sitting out, couldn't keep Freddy or properly replace him, couldnt bolster the blue line and couldn't bolster the depth. Then when the guys getting overpaid didnt show they had the BALLS to fight for their life, and play in the right areas in the playoffs, from puck drop in gm1 of a series to the very end; they kept those guys. And they have a weak culture.
JT is an ineffective captain. He's a perennial minus, never had 50goals, never had 100points, never won a trophy in the NHL, barely has won in the playoffs, and has the personality of a wet paper bag. The guy got Panarin, Mackinon, Matthews, Draisitl (soon to be), and McDavid money. He is a very good 2nd line, alternate captain, $6.5-8million player. Marner got 10.9 off his entry level, that's what he should have got on a 2nd or 3rd. Willie just got 11, he's not worth more than 9. Makar gets 9 man.
They could have kept players of O'Rielly and Acari's type/calibre. Had a good goalie tandem. Gotten another good dman or 2. Or a really good dman and another decent one. There's so much you can do when 4fwds aren't like 55-60% of your cap. With Rielly it's gotta be almost 2/3rds.
I took so much heat sharing my opinion over the years. I called it the day they signed JT that they will not win.
It all hinged on Tavares - when they signed him - he was the 3rd best center on the team. Paying him all that - while the other three were all on entry level contracts - ensured that they were all going to get overpaid - none of this is hard - what is hard to believe is that they kept doing it for 7 yrs
Only change will be Keefe, Marner and Tavares will be back. It will be more of the same for another year, then real change may occur but then again maybe not..
They have more money than God, what are they playing for? To sell out next game? No heart, easy money.
Paid off
O dog is always too hard on leafs goalies, every starting goalie except campbell when they leave they go on to have a soild career. i.e freddy and reimer, and if you argue reimer hes been a soild NHL goalie on bad teams he has a career .910 average, if the leafs play better team defense you mask your goalies flaws, they do not do that you exacerbate them.
Ballard curse !!!
Based on a real special player. A special player who is not willing to try in playoffs.
I'm pissed about Woll!!! Is he porcelain???? Great goalie but hurt so much!!!
Celleberini overrated for sure. Mckenna the next player worth tanking for honestly.
o-Dog is OBNOXIOUS!
Erica. How about you go cook a meal
Or do some laundry. This is a man’s show
But Hayze B the therapist reels him back in 😅
Another thing game 7 and you take out woll and put Mattews back in, something going on there paid I say paid
Paid off paid off
Every year giving Matthews a pass…
Because their a bunch of fall downs,
Maybe Pronger replaces Shannahan in MSLE. Chris makes too much sense.
Maybe o-dog as president 🤔😃
I've never seen this side of Pronger. He is startingly perceptive.
seriously ?? Pronger has always been wicked smart
PLD sucks so bad!! He is done in the NHL
Perhaps it's the "core 4's" overwhelming sense of entitlement and believing they're gods? Nah, it's because the players don't get paid during the playoffs and it's ⛳ season.
Oh look, a team of sportscasters addressing the same questions as every other team of sportscasters for the last half a century.
Yawn.........
Fans and talking heads don't run the team
Marner is a joke
Patrick laine for baby mitch!! Makeit happen!!
Mathews had a sore mangina.
Leafs are very successful! 2023 Revenue was $281M. Its a business, it does not matter if the team is winning, it matters that the business is making MONEY! So when you say it has been a failure for 8 years it only reflects games. As for making money, MLSE is amazingly successful.