Heartbreak & the Horizon with Elliotte Friedman | Real Kyper & Bourne Clips
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- Опубліковано 5 тра 2024
- Elliotte Friedman joins Nick Kypreos and Justin Bourne to break down the latest Leafs heartbreak and what could be next for the franchise.
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I’m one of Kyper’s biggest fans in these comments sections, but it sounded like he didn’t want to damage his reputation with his connections today.
Kyper had to make a business decision. It was a wise one.
Needed Dougie MacLean on the show!
@@wilseph1oh yeah, Friday’s episode will be a good one!
@@JustinDickins off the rails friday, boys! be ready
Any team willing to give Marner 12 million a year for 8 years need their heads examined. He’s only considered a 12 million player by these guys because the Leafs grossly overpaid him. A 90 point player who tops out at 30 goals a year and disappears in the playoffs is not worth close to 12 million. These guys are delusional. The media loves overrating thier own players.
Matthew’s only had two seasons above 90 points and also disappears in the playoffs. Sure he scores regular season goals but him being highest paid in the league to never carry a team isn’t worth it either
Look at Miller's contract with the Canucks, 8 mil per year. Giving 12 mil to Maner, come on! Who would you rather have. Miller is a competitor!
It all started with giving tavares 11 million for 8 years . And to what end?? No one in a leaf uniform will be willing to take a pay cut to strengthen the team.
Bill McCreary saved my life ...lol ...Kypers a real one.
The return of Babs would be peak!
They would play harder. I'd love it.
What would make a more fun season than torts in Toronto
“Legitimate 100 point player” about a player that has never gotten 100 points.
Pasta went right by marner he could of slowed him up or something come on Kyper
At least have eyes on him and keep up with him. Maybe a coaching mistake not shadowing him but thats easy to say now of course. But yeah Marner was puck watching and pasta went right up the ice behind him. Also tavares ran into his own player which didnt help.
True but Rielly and Samsonov were both just as bad if not worse on that play.
That play doesn't even materialize if Marner didn't skate beside him, like pairs figure skating!!!!! Then, the complete morons want to blame Reilly - who hasn't been great to be honest - but Reilly ASSUMES Marner - who is RIGHT BESIDE Pasta will do SOMETHING...but, nope...WRONGO! AND, Samsonov was horrific too. Hence, the end result we have to accept. The Bruins didn't win. We LOST!
@@GreekboyyD I’m not saying it wasn’t a group effort but all marner had to do is what Boston was doing to knies every time he tried rushing in the zone for the puck they held him up slowed him down
@@dayleklassen3472 I agree. No doubt.
Treliving is the POHO i think if they keep the position. Doan or another hockey ops that is close to treliving will get the GM job and Berube is the coach.
I love this discussion about Marner (who has proven to be a por playoff player, wired or not) wanting 12 million times 8, this is INSANE. In the playoff which is another level, brutal and stressful, making little Marner inactive would be easy.
Whoever gives Marner $12 m, they’ll never win the cup for the duration of that contract.
So, you're saying it's now confirmed the Leafs will extend him?
A ton of regular season assists. That's about all you get with Marner. If that's enough for another team, Godspeed.
100% agree. Marner is straight up stealing money from that team
Mathew Knees performed better by Marner, that is saying something.
Career leafs core playoffs numbers, Willy 43pts and a +1, Matthews 48pts a +2, Tavares 24pts and a -9. Marner is at 50ptd and is a +10. Marner is the easy scapegoat but his numbers are the best. Sure, hes the one to move, at this point hes the easiest, but the truth is they just dont work together, and having 1/3 of your cap tied up in 4 forwards is dumb.
@@griffisjm1/3? Isn't it close to 50%? Also I was shocked when I realized Marner leads in points. At this point though with the fan hatred, and the failures of the past he has to go.
No room for conversation for Tavares being dealt, his albatross of a contract cements him here, sadly.
M@@griffisjmMarner is the 12th leading playoff point scorer in the close to 100 year history of the team. I would argue that Matthews would be easier to convince to move.
Elliote Friedman oscillates from being intelligent and informed and just being a Rogers schill.
we all have a boss. this includes the self-employed😉
I have to remind myself when I'm watching this show that the same people who own this network, also own the Leafs, also have their name on Edmonton & Vancouver's arenas
Friedman threw out his journalistic integrity when he put Avs as a footnote and disrespecting them completely when the Jets were eliminated. Him and Marek are a joke
Nsh Preds have a rookie goalie they like Askarov I think his name is I would try to see if Marner waives his NTC to go to Nsh for Saros.
Saros & a dman as it would look great as a leaf it would shore up the #1 goalie than you keep Woll as his backup.
Babcock is the Leafs ANSWER!
If Johhhhhny T was a real team guy he could go to management and tell them he’d like to re-work his deal…
Big time. He's made his cake but time to take a pay cut.
The only way Mitch stays a leaf this off season is if he takes a pay cut to show that he really wants to be here. I feel bad for the guy at this point, all everyone wants to do is bash him and expect him to play good. That was my knee jerk reaction but a pay cut from one of the 4 would change the perspective. Obviously JT will he’s beyond those day
Pay cuts on a signed contract are not allowed.
Assuming Friedman is correct, you can kiss Marner goodbye, which would make a lot of Leaf fans happy. Friege claims Marner's agent Ferris usually walks his players to free agency. The problem with that is, there are some bigger guns heading to UFA status besides Marner. Draisaitl & Rantanen are UFA's in 2025 & I'm not sure how Colorado & Edmonton can fit them in at their much higher aav's. I value both of them ahead of Marner frankly. The Leafs will have a minimum of 27M to spend (or not) with Marner & Tavares off the books in 2025.
"I'm a human being ... " thanks for the clarification, Elliotte
He is a captain obvious candidate.. LoL
Boy, you can't tell these guys are Loaf-centric with the jersey hanging in the background, can you?
copium
Bridge deal or one year deal at 9million for Mitch Marner but not in Toronto. He needs to prove he can play playoff hockey.
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He is the 12th leading point scorer in Leaf history- almost 100 years.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Doesn't mean much if you're there for personal accolades. Team sport you know.
@@mathias2410 If he chooses to go on the open market, he will get 11 to $12 million. Montreal is willing as is LA Kings. So far.
Leafs need a goalie
best hockey show!!!!!
Green in Ottawa is a mistake...esp when Keefe will be available and is a more successful coach
You trade Mitch and John give Austin the C. Winning the Johnny T sweepstakes is a curse and Mitchell can't do it in the playoffs.
Marner cannot be traded.
Next season just play Woll and outcome will be different. We need a solid goaltender. Remove shanahan and maybe add a strong experienced coach
Marner has to go as well, too much money for nothing.
Marner for like 2 forwards at 5-6 mill.
JT will give you two defencemen. Woll & a vet back up or Anthony Stolarz.
they did that. the outcome was he gets injured, all the time.
Hope the brains of the Leafs decide to run it back. Means we can watch this circus for years to come! 😂
Woll #1 and Desmith #2 possible as I'd think Silovs has earned #2 in Vancouver next year.
They only thing close to the homer attutude of HNIC for the Maple Laughs, is NESN towards the Bruins. The big difference is NESN is a regional broadcast. HNIC is a National broadcast. They try to push the Maple Laughs as Canada's team as hard as Ontario pushes Trudeau as Prime Minister. The rest of Canada thinks Toronto is a cesspool. 🤣 Go Panthers!!
I love the Leafs and will be back for more punishment and disappointment in October but out of respect for two legit Canadian teams still in the playoffs Toronto Maple Leaf off season moves coverage doesn’t deserve air time until the playoffs are over, no wonder everyone hates us.
Markstrom isn't consistent enough to be paid big bucks to play in Toronto . He reminds me of a worse Freddy Andersen
Max contracts destroy a club/too much risk.
Leaf's disappeared faster than Friedman at math class.
Elliotte the Gossip Queen
yeah lol he knows everything he's in on everything
he's a two faced rat
Hard to say if the Leafs need a president. Nobody has ever made it clear what Shanahan actually does in his current role. He's dead weight. Make Treliving president and Pridham the GM. Functionally does anything change?
Nmc, new coach, pres. Run it back
doesn't matter though, if marner wants to go then see ya. he can controls if he leaves, plus i don't think gonna stay where he isn't wanted, that's just my opinion.
One of the reasons that the team didn't want to "lose" a deal with Nylander was because Treliving was still a new GM, and didn't fully understand what kind of team he had. He's had a year now to observe things first-hand and knows what the Leafs need.
At least Willie shows up in the playoffs
No GM wants to lose a trade. You lose a trade for an elite scoring forward and you lose the trade every time you don’t win the cup for seasons after.
I agree with Elliot, the Leafsin their usual insanity , will not do as much as one thinks or wants. Most likely a change at coach and bench staff, they will sign Marner to extension , make a couple of trades, they are soft on Samsonov and may not trade him. Other than that I for one would be shocked if they do anything out of the norm.
if they can wouldn't it be funny if Marner wont accept a trade then buy him out after free agency is passed when no teams have the money to sign him
You do realize that his salary still counts against the cap after a buyout.Stupid idea.
@@johnsummerhill8323 it wouldnt be full cap hit
@@hurtlocker6611 It is not going to happen. He will resign. He has been their most important player over the last 7 or 8 years.He is now in his prime years.
I think Marner was right. The Leafs ARE treated like Gods in this city. I also think that attitude should change. Holding them accountable for poor showings is part of the game, & we shouldn't, as fans, be treating them with such reverence, especially when the results of the team's on ice results don't necessarily deserve said reverence. Something needs to change in the locker room, whether its a coach, a trade, whatever, to convince these guys that maximum effort needs to br given every night, no matter what. Kyper is right, not everyone can thrive under the microscope of Toronto's sports media. The players need to decide in my opinion whether or not they can handle it. If not, they should move on.
Yea by the spoon fed muppet “Fans” who get pimped out regardless. Those are the casual “Fans” who go to games not cuz they love the team, they go for a social outing. They buy the merchandise to “Show their support” - Translation - Are trend following dribble chins. So no, the attitude won’t change as there is far too many people who will fill that sycophant fan void regardless who stops watching.
Time for the Leafs to flex their muscle with the league and get the guy they want to coach.
And who would that be?
12 mill for Marner is delusional
Well, if you look at the results, you CAN'T keep Shanahan can you?
Yes you can. His job is to make the team profitable. They are the most valuable team in the league. How much better can it be?
No curveball comin freedman
You have a guy that has never been in anything like the job he is in - and he is going to eliminate that president of hockey ops ? That doesn't make any sense at all.
I think marnier would be great on the Philadelphia flyers.
7 years 2 playoff round won. The homers at sportsnet are clueless. Marner and Matthew's play too soft Tavares is old no depth or scoring from the bottom 8 . Below average defense Reilly is better suited as a 3 or 4 option goaltending is average at best
Trade marner for geno Malkin
Marner cannot be traded.
When MM already has all $$ he ever needs, I wonder how important it is to him to play for his hometown in the world’s largest hockey market…
What does Shanahan actually even do?
Austin Matthews career PO points 47 and a +2.....Marner 50 and a +10....yup Marner's the problem
Neither perform in the crunch time of a series. They are both problems. And Marner scores most of his points early on the series, when the stakes aren't as high. Where was Marner in Game 7? He's not a problem, yet he has a chance at an empty net after Swayman mishandles the puck, and instead of going to the front of the net so he can put the puck in where he likely would get hit, he goes back behind the net? That's why he's not a playoff player.
@@pomerlain8924This is what happens when stupid fans all decide to pick on one player instead of realizing it was a team loss.
When I look at and listen to Keith Pelley, I see Richard Peddie re-incarnated. I don't like it. He's the same ineffectual dork. I have no doubt he would believe he has the ability to oversee hockey operations.
Sheldon Keefe better get fired any other franchise would of fired him by now what’s wrong with you guys
Hilarious to once again see the homer TO media not realize they aren’t close to a Cup. 😂😂🤢
Marner out Babcock back ! Lindy Ruff went back.
And so as the corpse called the Toronto Maple Leafs decays, here we have the same media who only last week were so loving towards the team now deciding how to dissect the corpse. And you fans go up and down the roller coaster with them. The Leafs are a good regular season team. They lack the heart and desire to win in the playoffs. My condolences to you. I gave up in '73.
But you are still here so looks like you are still following the Leafs 😂 and hoping they win.
Tavares signs for 5 a year to finish here. That frees up 6 million mitch isn't an 11.5 guy. He's a same money 8 years with a trade clause after 3 years on the team side. Or trade for a big well skating Dman. To start you gotta do some deals.
even the Leafs are not stupid enough to give Tavares 5M I would think..but I pray they do lol..as for Marner they will get nothing for him or very little
@@RoamHockey Tavares will make a great 3rd line center for 5 million for 4 years. Or 4 for 5 years. That's a good deal for both. And marner 8 years at 10 flat. It's good for both. That gives you an extra 5to 7 million plus the cap upside a 1 mill now your at 8 mill in extra cap and everyone is still in. The next season cap goes up a couple. That's a numb 1 Dman atleast and a couple 20 goal scorers with a bit of size. Yes it's good. Or trade marner for the Dman and a player.
A former Rogers CEO giving the green light or red light on trades? No Thx!
This whole situation is on Shanahan. The fact that Shanahan and Keefe are still part of the organization just shows how big of a joke this franchise is and how this organization is not committed to winning the cup.
Lou said it best: "Players need to play for the crest not the name on the the back of sweater".
And what did Shanahan do? He gave the job to Kyle Dubas because he pressed Shanahan and threatened to go to Colorado and that idiot president gave an inexperienced dork with glasses the GM job with no NHL experience, now look where there team is.
Fire everyone in that is not named treliving. Right the ship
The notion of a corporate bureaucrat like Keith Pelley being “involved” in hockey operations is the last straw for me. That’s doomsday for the Leafs.
No, he shouldn’t be a God. It’s a god damned sport. He’s an athlete. My goodness. What a tone deaf statement after losing a game 7.
If this were Vegas, Marner and tavares would have been embarrassed by the organization and moved out of the organization. Toronto is too nice, and incompetent. You either want to win a stanley cup or you don't. If you don't get rid of these two, you're telling the fans you don't want to do everything possible to win. That's what you're saying.
If Marner wants to go to FA then trade his ass right before the deadline next year. Someone will easily give you 1 or maybe even 2 first round picks for a rental.
He has a full no-movement clause so he can block any trade.
Then you play hard ball and scratch him every game. I understand the no trade but those can be worked around
@@kylebrodie9390There is a thing called a players union that would have the team into court so quick it would make your head spin. And do you think any free agent would ever sign with the team?
If you mess with the balance and the multiple threats, don't cry if everything falls apart.
Great point. Fans would love cleaning house but it would take years to make the playoffs.
@@chadloosemore6627The difference between the past 7 years, multiple game 7 losses and only 1 win says everything. We dont care about missing the playoffs compared to first round losses. Many fans will watch not watch the first round next year regardless.
@@cscansin Maybe if they fixed the defense, developed players and got some toughness before we would not be here deciding to make stupid decisions but that was all management and coaching.
@@peterlue9274 soooo....you're saying keep the team bc we didn't fix this earlier?
@@cscansin I am saying fix it now but don't expect we will get the results we would have got if we did this right from the beginning. Treliving has acquired some really great big RHD defensive prospects and some really good goalie prospects. It will mean playing some kids and we will be 2-3 years away but it is better than being dumb and mortgaging everything for a 2nd round with this core. Also, since we have this core, it is best to just go with it because no one is giving away talent like this, and if we trade Marner because we don't want him we will never get more than what we are giving up in a trade.
Yes, trade him for too 6 million dollar players.
And the other ones that don't compete trade them for 6 million dollar players better than selfish children.
Kyper is so lost its sad
I think the main problem with the four top guys is so much of the team's cap space is invested in those four players who have essentially the same offensive skill set. This will sound like a shot from a Bruins fan living in the GTA but Tavares might be the grittiest of the four. But what does that say about the other three? The Bruins' goaltending is the backbone of their club. We B's fans knew that entering the season with all the UFAs, retirements of Bergie and Krejci and bargain bin FA signings. Are Matthews, Marner, Tavares and Nylander the backbone of the Leafs? Yes or no. And if it's not them, who or what is? If it's not these four elite players, as good a quartet of forwards as you can find in the league, then there's a fundamental flaw in the assessment, construction and balance of their roster and salary cap distribution set up and approved by the management group.
As a die hard Sens fan, I like Marner but c'mon LOL. 12 milli for a guy that has done nothing in the playoffs. AND he's a winger. No thanks. There's a small market for him
Tim Leiweke changed the culture at MLSE. His changes brought a winning culture to the Leafs, a championship to both TFC and the Raptors. Its always sad when a man tgat knows how to run a business thinks he can run a sports team. This Pelley guy sounds like another owner that wants to sit at the draft table and make trades. Get ready Toronto Sports fans, this could get even uglier than it is now if he turns out to become one of these guys. Thise old enough, think of Harold Ballard coming back from the grave.
That is just dumb Keith Pelley is not the owner - he is the overseer of the business for all these teams . Leiweke came with actual experience in that type of Role - there are not many of them . If you go over his resume - Keith Pelley made the Rogers deal for HNIC and then went to the European tour - and his wheeling and dealing ended up getting the LIV tour created - if you are a leafs fan - you have a better chance with a ticket on the Titanic
@@pjpredhomme7699 obviously hes not the owner, thanks tips.
They will keep talking about those losers Toronto even when they are out. ”Next year etc”.
The Leafs are in disaster mode. Team makeup is proven failed and the brain trust is really clueless.
Let Marner go to free agency and lets see what teams want to sign him to his delusional demands.
About 31 teams will be fighting for him.
You’re telling me 29 teams want a player who is soft and puts up a pathetic amount of points in the playoffs?! For 12 mil?!?
Well, the Leafs were clearly willing to pay close to that for him
Marner has more playoff points than Nylander, Matthews, and Tavares
Teams will be lined up and fighting for him if he becomes a UFA.
How many years did the Leafs miss the playoffs before getting Marner and the others you now hate.... Everyone forgets the circumstances that lead to all of this. You at least are a shoe in now for making the playoffs.... So yeah at least the other half of the league that doesn't make the playoffs would love a shot at a Marner. It takes a team as dumb as TO to chase him out of town lol.
@@brianweir9885 I’m glad you’re happy with the bear minimum of making the playoffs but I don’t know if you know this. The goal is to win the cup. And that’s not happening with this group end of story. You’d have an argument if they lost in the 3rd round.
EF is the tigers paw,he does the heavy lifting for the powers that own the NHL.
Anything that is said ,no matter what show this guy is on ,their is trepidation and cloaked intimidation by the hosts,this guy has ended podcasts with a speed dial on his phone .That is gospel truth ,think about it ,you will understand what Im saying.
Dont trade a player deadset on hitting free agency and letting his final contract year play out, this will be the best version of Marner youll get this upcoming season with everything at stake. Trade Matthews, he's the real asset to trade and the best opportunity to change the core and improve it
You don't trade a guy who pots almost 70 goals in a season unless you get a Makar back
@@LoganFruz or a budding star on a good contract like Miro Heiskanen plus you'd probably get a good draft pick thrown in
Strip the part-time "A" from Marner.......great regular season point getter, not a leader, not a playoff performer and after the glove throwing incident on the bench NOT a teammate that I would want to go to war with....His ego.....would have him agreeing to a trade in a heartbeat. If you're hell bent on getting rid of JT.....Strip him of the Captaincy and give it to Matthews.
If neither will wave their No Trade clause and you have 2 thirds of your 4th line.....and neither player is part of the leadership letter group going forward.....We go through pain for another year ....21 Million dollars goes a long way to sorting out Goaltending and Defence Stud's......If Management wants to give No Movement clauses, do it in the beginning of a contract..NOT the end when divorce is likely!......8 Year contact No movement for 24 months, 25- 48 months 10 team No Trade Clause, 49 months plus.....No clauses. Period! The fact that contracts are fully guaranteed unlike NFL Contracts..Beside if the contract is that BAD.....what other team would take the player anyway.....??????
12th leading playoff point scorer in the near 100 year history of the Leafs.
Patrick Laine from Columbus for mitch marner.....hes had injuries but hes only 7.5 mill compared to marners 11mill.
Marner cannot be traded . End of story.
@@johnsummerhill8323 if the Leafs want to move him he will either be traded to a team from a list of his choosing or he can sit a year in the seats and watch from the box.
@@cbenjamin9220LOL. Give your head a shake
@@johnsummerhill8323 lol. Only thing shaking around these parts is Mitch Marner when he goes near the boards to get a puck
@@cbenjamin9220Like the rocks in your head?
Montreal who are in rebuilding mode will win a playoff series before the Leafs do.
Both the sens and leafs have won more in the playoffs since the leafs went far in the playoffs.
Buy out Tavares
PLAN we THE want PARADE florida
wow, so creative. Good job!
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Cam neely is a solid president. Your toronto maaaaaaaaple laughs. The corporate villian team no one likes. Have fun on the greens gents !
Why would anyone want to play for the Leafs? They're so far-off
Who wants Marner? What teams? He is proven loser in the playoffs. So why would you want him when what’s important is the playoffs.
Every team in the league would want him.
@@johnsummerhill8323 Who would want him. He is a loser in the playoffs and only the playoffs count. Get it.
@@RS-qo1rb You're crazy .
@@johnsummerhill8323 you are an ass!!! And a fool no nothing about Hockey go and kiss Marner s ass.
And what team wants him tell me smart guy. Who ?
@@johnsummerhill8323 hahaha Deleted yours too.
Again who would want him? Tell me one team that wants that loser!! You can’t. Haha
Two Canadian teams are squaring off against each other in round 2 but all Sportsnet (a taxpayer subsided national network) can talk about is Leafs this, Leafs that, what's next for the Leafs.
Get bent Sportsnet!
Get bent Leaf fanbase!
Get bent Leaf Players!
Get bent anyone employed by MLSE - right down to the hot dog vendors!
😂 Even when the Leafs lose they still dominate the air waves, because they pay the bills.
Not to mention this is a talk show in Toronto, if you want coverage on the Canucks or Oilers go listen to their radio stations.
@@johnefrederick1590 Sportsnet would find that if they focused more airtime on other teams in the country it would fill a void that is magnitudes greater than what the Toronto fans give them. Toronto Maple Leafs hurt the NHL's bottom line overall. Yeah, it's true. The NHL would be richer if they dissolved the Leafs. MLSE should be criminally investigated for being nothing but a money laundering Ponzi scheme mascaraing as a sports company.
I never listen to Friedman or Kypreos. Know it alls blowing hot air.
The NHL would be a stronger, more popular, higher profitable league if either they move the Leafs to another city, or dissolve the franchise. The Leafs organization makes the NHL much weaker.
The Leafs are out guys, no one cares !!!
I don't think anybody gives a flying motherfuck about what the OWNERSHIP thinks about the hockey team. The ownership is the main reason for every ounce of bullshit since the early 2000s.
I'd resign marner for 7 million a year, he's not worth a penny more
Then he will be gone . He has been their best overall player over the last 7 or 8 years.
Shannon would fuvk up ac2 man bowlingbteam. Please give me a break.