Why Are Concert Tickets Getting More Expensive?

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  • Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
  • If you want to see red-hot Olivia Rodrigo this summer, get ready to dig deep into your pockets for $963. Concert tickets are at a record high this summer. Even seats in the rafters could still cost around $100 or more. Jennifer Lopez canceled her entire concert tour this summer. She claims she needs to focus on her family. However, others pointed out that her fans didn't seem to want to shell out big bucks to see her live. Inside Edition's Les Trent has more.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 243

  • @TheMissingDislikeButton
    @TheMissingDislikeButton 3 місяці тому +322

    Corporate greed , saved you 1min and 21 seconds

    • @sams9462
      @sams9462 3 місяці тому +12

      If these people want ticket prices to go down so bad then simply don’t go to these concerts enjoy there music from home

    • @mexreax4493
      @mexreax4493 3 місяці тому +9

      idiots paying is the problem

    • @Pearloryx
      @Pearloryx 3 місяці тому +2

      More like short answer, and the video is the long answer
      Sounds like coming from a person who watched too much TikTok and think that 1 minute is too long? Society these days

    • @matthewm9261
      @matthewm9261 3 місяці тому +1

      It's the artists fault

    • @Xane_Dragon
      @Xane_Dragon 3 місяці тому +1

      I just wait until free concerts come to my city park

  • @isaacmartinez6904
    @isaacmartinez6904 3 місяці тому +9

    This is why I don’t go to concerts.

  • @AnotherSwissYoutubeUser
    @AnotherSwissYoutubeUser 3 місяці тому +8

    Take your 936$ and come to europe with that instead.
    Here you get a premium Defqon1 Ticket including camping for that price and you still have some spending money left. You get a 4 Day Festival with 10 stages with the biggest Hardstyle DJs. 1 day with 6 hours of show and 3 days with 12 Hours of show, not just 3-5 Hours once.

  • @Fatman-g8k
    @Fatman-g8k 3 місяці тому +4

    Why? It's because people keep paying it! That's what it all comes down to. They ask, you give and around and around we go.

  • @comic_food_guy
    @comic_food_guy 3 місяці тому +1

    We live in a society that only wants certain folks to have certain experiences.

  • @mcdragon0123
    @mcdragon0123 3 місяці тому +1

    What? People go to see the singers sing instead on UA-cam for free? 👀😂

  • @awkwarddrawings
    @awkwarddrawings 3 місяці тому

    Coldplay a few years ago was 200 dollars although that doesn’t seem so bad compared to the other ticket prices

  • @nataliem.3879
    @nataliem.3879 3 місяці тому +121

    They smoking crack with them prices!!!

  • @2nww3r
    @2nww3r 3 місяці тому +145

    Save your money people. They don't actually care about you, all they do is to earn more money just like the average working class people

    • @akbarbukhari
      @akbarbukhari 3 місяці тому +11

      Same with sports tickets , I could care less atm

    • @raineb2983
      @raineb2983 3 місяці тому +6

      Right! These people don't know the fans or care... they just want your money & for you to idolize them so they can keep taking your money

    • @Bunny11344
      @Bunny11344 3 місяці тому +2

      @@akbarbukharimy bf gets tix to sports games cause he loves the environment..
      On another note, let’s be real ain’t nobody buying any of jhos tickets cause suks

  • @misanthropicsophist
    @misanthropicsophist 3 місяці тому +209

    Anything above 50$ is an absolute rip off

    • @Forlif3rs
      @Forlif3rs 3 місяці тому +11

      Like I get 150+ for the front front row in a arena tour or a stadium tour but over 1k for it is dispicable

    • @diverdave4056
      @diverdave4056 3 місяці тому +2

      well I was Happy to pay $300 for two tickets to see SADE ! it was worth every penny !

    • @bribee1346
      @bribee1346 3 місяці тому +2

      I saw My favorite band in 2012 with a $40 general admission floor ticket. Now they’re touring with blink 182 and a GA floor ticket costs literally $700. Seven hundred dollars. I wish I was joking 😭😭😭

    • @andrewsandoval7125
      @andrewsandoval7125 3 місяці тому +1

      Yea $50 you paying in just fees

    • @noob_gaming1491
      @noob_gaming1491 3 місяці тому +1

      Anything in which they don't pay me to go to the concert is an absolute rip-off

  • @truckcamper5751
    @truckcamper5751 3 місяці тому +41

    Stay home people save your money that will straighten out those people throwing the concerts

  • @lindseyhiccups
    @lindseyhiccups 3 місяці тому +115

    I hate Ticketmaster so much

  • @dannaharbor8054
    @dannaharbor8054 3 місяці тому +84

    No one wants to really buy J Lo tickets. She really can’t sing. She’s just a good dancer. Maybe she should ask Beyoncé for a job as one of her backup dancers. She does want to stay relevant.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @UgaldyManu
      @UgaldyManu 3 місяці тому +2

      Da mess! J ho wud never dance in bak of boy once barely wanted 2 share da stage with shak😂

    • @queenicedcoffee4217
      @queenicedcoffee4217 3 місяці тому

      I hope you don't mean her on the floor song 😂 I haven't heard it or watched the video in years but it makes me cringe

    • @javiruiz8365
      @javiruiz8365 3 місяці тому +1

      Her Vegas residency did very good! Some people do like her music. I don’t listen to her, but not because I don’t it means others don’t. Okay sweetie

    • @javiruiz8365
      @javiruiz8365 3 місяці тому

      Her Vegas residency did very good! Beyoncé sucks also!

    • @trustnoone3007
      @trustnoone3007 3 місяці тому +1

      Don’t disrespect Jennifer Lopez like that. She’s more than just a dancer. She’s an entertainer and she’s worth to see. If you don’t like her, then that’s your business, but don’t diss her like she doesn’t do much. J-LO is an icon, like it or not.

  • @shannon8254
    @shannon8254 3 місяці тому +56

    That's why I didn't go to Taylor Swift because her tickets were too damn expensive. I wish she was affordable for everyone.

    • @RocStarr913
      @RocStarr913 3 місяці тому +5

      Too many people want to go to her concerts. There would be no incentive to do that.

    • @lilblackfish2009
      @lilblackfish2009 3 місяці тому +2

      i just saw her movie lol

    • @1onelyone
      @1onelyone 3 місяці тому +8

      @RocStarr913 She went to Congress to testify about the ticket price gouging. SHE doesn't set the price for the tickets... TicketMaster, LiveNation etc., sets the price.

    • @Xane_Dragon
      @Xane_Dragon 3 місяці тому

      ​@@RocStarr913
      Yeah, all the 10 year olds 🤣

    • @Cupertinorail
      @Cupertinorail 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah adding on scammers selling the tickets for up to 10000 dollars and security not allowing concert-gating it adds on to the cost.

  • @Hollergirlohio
    @Hollergirlohio 3 місяці тому +37

    Done with concerts. Not worth the money.

    • @richatlarge462
      @richatlarge462 3 місяці тому +2

      Same. It's actually very liberating.

    • @Lateralus1007
      @Lateralus1007 3 місяці тому

      Ok broke boy 😂

    • @Hollergirlohio
      @Hollergirlohio 3 місяці тому

      @@Lateralus1007 oh not broke and definitely not a boy. Saw Green Day front row, 1500. Last concert worth it.

  • @arthurguillen8432
    @arthurguillen8432 3 місяці тому +15

    In 2007 I had Linkin Park tickets for $50...miss those days

  • @Justasimpleniceguy
    @Justasimpleniceguy 3 місяці тому +9

    Just stay home! Ain’t no artist worth seeing nowadays.

  • @joescambait
    @joescambait 3 місяці тому +47

    Pearl Jam used to be one of those bands that wanted to be the lowest price

    • @darkmaiden1776
      @darkmaiden1776 3 місяці тому +3

      Eddie Vetter: Ideals don't buy you Lamborghinis, bay-bee 🤣

    • @boringlyawesum
      @boringlyawesum 3 місяці тому +1

      but now they have model wives with expensive tastes

  • @andrewm.8228
    @andrewm.8228 3 місяці тому +27

    I only paid $32 for two tickets to see Depeche Mode last year. I don't think ill ever see a better deal on concert tickets.

    • @orangecat5036
      @orangecat5036 3 місяці тому +1

      Yeah, they had good deals I regret not going to see them, depeche mode can really bring down the house.

    • @Hknasw
      @Hknasw 3 місяці тому

      Depeche Mode is so underrated

  • @HowToChangeName
    @HowToChangeName 3 місяці тому +16

    Ticketmaster is too greedy and monopolistic. No need to watch

  • @angelique1795
    @angelique1795 3 місяці тому +11

    Stop buying them. They will have bring prices down.

  • @monciparedes
    @monciparedes 3 місяці тому +18

    Fees for everything. Convenience fees. Service fees. Etc.

  • @iheartlofi
    @iheartlofi 3 місяці тому +24

    My car is only $800. This is embarrassing 😢 for me.

    • @trenaharmon85
      @trenaharmon85 3 місяці тому

      Hey if a car runs and gets you to where you need to be nothing embarrassing about that

  • @RocStarr913
    @RocStarr913 3 місяці тому +35

    Anybody who plunks $2000 that much money to see anybody, much less a generic, marginal talent like Taylor Swift, is certifiable.

    • @kifacorea
      @kifacorea 3 місяці тому +1

      Minimal for sure. So overrated it hurts.

    • @RichRich1955
      @RichRich1955 3 місяці тому +1

      Daddy can I have $2000 to see Taylor swift?

  • @SC-qg9jl
    @SC-qg9jl 3 місяці тому +10

    why wastes your money?

  • @john2510
    @john2510 3 місяці тому +8

    I saw Elvis in the early 70s. Tickets were $2.50.

    • @trustnoone3007
      @trustnoone3007 3 місяці тому

      You’re lying and I don’t buy it lol. You need receipts 🧾 to show for it.

  • @perryrice4149
    @perryrice4149 3 місяці тому +5

    I Remember back in the day when concert tickets were just 5 and $10. 🤔😏😔 And this was the 80s.

    • @joescambait
      @joescambait 3 місяці тому

      40 years ago

    • @perryrice4149
      @perryrice4149 3 місяці тому +1

      @@joescambait yes. And we had better music back then also.

    • @joescambait
      @joescambait 3 місяці тому

      @@perryrice4149 that's what's your father said also,,,,lol we old lol

  • @ashtonlagleva3158
    @ashtonlagleva3158 3 місяці тому +18

    Break up Ticketmaster and Live Nation.

  • @GreedyGodz
    @GreedyGodz 3 місяці тому +10

    Only went to 1 concert got the meet and greet for a band…The fact that said meet and greet was like 3 seconds long for the amount me and others paid. I refuse to go to live concerts.

  • @JonathonBall
    @JonathonBall 3 місяці тому +6

    Greed. Did we need a whole video for this?

  • @howardweinstein1324
    @howardweinstein1324 3 місяці тому +4

    I know how you save a lot of money to concerts, stay home.

  • @andreacamp936
    @andreacamp936 3 місяці тому +6

    No one makes money off of just music anymore. So musicians/labels hike up the prices on concerts bc that is where the real money is.

  • @gwshelton4875
    @gwshelton4875 3 місяці тому +4

    Back in the 70s, I attended around 150 concerts, from Aerosmith (yuck), to the Eagles, the Doobie Brothers, Clapton, Elton John, etc, for $15 a ticket. Then you could buy tickets from the venue, instead of Ticketmaster. Recently, the Doobie Brothers cost me over $300, but I LOVE their music, and that’s all that matters. Luckily, I saw that band around 30 times over 50 years, so the price kinda averaged out. Saw The Rolling Stones Steel Wheels Tour in 1989 for $28.50 a TICKET. HOW YOU LIKE THEM APPLES , KIDS ? 😂😂 Btw, my memory is spot on, because I have all my ticket stubs 😂😂

  • @MrSurguy-fb2hy
    @MrSurguy-fb2hy 3 місяці тому +8

    Pearl Jam, at #5. How things change. I remember back in the 90’s when they were battling Ticketmaster’s monopoly because they didn’t want their fans to be price gouged in order to see them. I remember seeing them the first time they came to Australia in 1995, at the height of their popularity. The tickets were $42 Australian Dollars each. Floor seats about 1/3rd of the way back from the stage.

  • @willcookmakeup
    @willcookmakeup 3 місяці тому +2

    I've never been a concert person and am glad about it

  • @TheBlueGirl18
    @TheBlueGirl18 3 місяці тому +4

    I love Bruno !!!!!!!! seen him 3x live and last time was 2018 and he def wasn’t that expensive back then 😢

    • @javiruiz8365
      @javiruiz8365 3 місяці тому

      Haven’t heard of him in years! Had no
      Idea he was still performing

  • @Itzduhistorygirl
    @Itzduhistorygirl 3 місяці тому +2

    😂😂 jokes on you I don’t even go to concerts and I’m not interested in celebrities.

  • @ManChan-w5p
    @ManChan-w5p 3 місяці тому +8

    How much is a hologram concert?

  • @NathanSpies
    @NathanSpies 3 місяці тому +5

    I’ll stick to Disney on ice

  • @guywithhat7721
    @guywithhat7721 3 місяці тому +2

    Ahhh Capitalism….

  • @zidvicious6047
    @zidvicious6047 3 місяці тому +2

    Who the eff is blowing off 900 bucks for Olivia Rodrigo?

    • @RocStarr913
      @RocStarr913 3 місяці тому +1

      Wannabe emo teenage girls

  • @Ryan_asti
    @Ryan_asti 3 місяці тому +9

    I don’t even like concerts. They’re too loud and chaotic imo

  • @Worried_Lord
    @Worried_Lord 3 місяці тому +2

    Get rid of fees that’s a reason

  • @brettmenser3604
    @brettmenser3604 3 місяці тому +9

    I like men

  • @Pearloryx
    @Pearloryx 3 місяці тому +2

    I would rather pay a ticket for a whole NASCAR season than a single concert

  • @linlmarcos
    @linlmarcos 3 місяці тому +1

    Paid 300 bucks to see Pink with my bestie and it was horrible. The sound system failed so it was turned off. You would think we would have gotten a refund or a remake. Nope. They were rafter tickets. 300 bucks for rafter tickets.

  • @michaelkalpakiss
    @michaelkalpakiss 3 місяці тому +1

    My parents go off about this all the time 😂cause they would go to so many concerts back in the 80s/90s and tickets for good seats would be like $30.

  • @royaltyfandomx
    @royaltyfandomx 3 місяці тому +2

    First

  • @cademancaden
    @cademancaden 3 місяці тому +3

    It’s because people make money on YT by streaming, photos, vids, etc.

  • @ChelSierra_Remly
    @ChelSierra_Remly 3 місяці тому +1

    They have to pay for all those dancers and the different set designs, plus all the employees that set up, move, and take down those sets. There was a time when musicians could just get on stage and sing, but at some point they got criticized for just sitting there and singing, and not entertaining the crowd by dancing, etc. If they went back to just getting on stage and singing, without all the entertainment brouhaha, the tickets could be more affordable again.

  • @ladyred5468
    @ladyred5468 3 місяці тому +3

    depending on who the artist is I’m still willing to pay $150 for front row anything over that without a VIP package is just not worth it to me no matter how long I’ve been waiting to see the artist.

    • @javiruiz8365
      @javiruiz8365 3 місяці тому +1

      It’s impossible to get tickets to be front row for 150! 🤷‍♂️

    • @cheryl-lynnmehring8606
      @cheryl-lynnmehring8606 3 місяці тому

      It's almost impossible to get any ticket for 150! Even lawn seats or nosebleed.

  • @leahdesmondart
    @leahdesmondart 3 місяці тому +2

    Anyone talking about live nation?

  • @pamelahermano9298
    @pamelahermano9298 3 місяці тому +2

    lol there’s no one I need to see that badly

  • @dannschmit8604
    @dannschmit8604 3 місяці тому +1

    Just keep feeding the greedy! Continue to let the poor suffer while the greedy live as fat cats. Society sucks. This is just plain greed and it must stop!

  • @jesusrodriguez4554
    @jesusrodriguez4554 3 місяці тому +1

    Who want to hear the song and standing up and not hot Stadium who will spend that money never been inside there because they say it's too hot people jumping around stepping your foot oh that's a lot of pain people pass out by heat Strokes

  • @nettg.1418
    @nettg.1418 3 місяці тому +1

    No thanks i would not pay no damn $969 dollars. I rejected because it not that important to go to concert.

  • @shawnhuff3920
    @shawnhuff3920 3 місяці тому +1

    That's a lot of money to watch a celebrity sing to a backing track .. or a band that isn't playing their own instruments 😊

  • @tatyanahirsch2388
    @tatyanahirsch2388 3 місяці тому +1

    Detroit concerts tickets be high 😂😂😂😂Chris brown tickets went from 200 to 150 he’s another one

  • @Olivia_xoxo59
    @Olivia_xoxo59 3 місяці тому +1

    I'm glad people can't go because they broke or not Rich

  • @AbhiramaKrishnankr1-pr5gm
    @AbhiramaKrishnankr1-pr5gm 3 місяці тому +1

    I would say NO if it is even 1$ ..lol

  • @leomorrill1835
    @leomorrill1835 3 місяці тому +1

    Luke combs has said in multiple interviews he doesn’t care about the money, he already made his million. He has tickets that cost just $25. Anyone who tells me they went to a concert I just pull up my Spotify account and they immediately stop talking and get so mad, it’s the funniest thing ever

    • @1224jm
      @1224jm 3 місяці тому +1

      Ticketmaster is the one who prices them at $25 for the summer special. The artist doesn’t get to say “put them at $25”.

  • @sofakingcute9804
    @sofakingcute9804 3 місяці тому +5

    No one want to see JLo.

  • @MsJP
    @MsJP 3 місяці тому +1

    I didn't even pay that much 4 Prince back n 2001 n Detroit,how times have changed.

  • @lilblackfish2009
    @lilblackfish2009 3 місяці тому +5

    its a shame that JLo would rather cancel then give the tickets cheaper cuz it hurts her ego lol

    • @RocStarr913
      @RocStarr913 3 місяці тому

      She’s a quintessential Leo in that regard.

    • @1224jm
      @1224jm 3 місяці тому

      Even if they were cheap there wouldn’t be enough demand to sell all her arenas. An amp or theater would’ve been better placed for her

    • @200555280
      @200555280 3 місяці тому

      The price is set by the organizer.

  • @darkmaiden1776
    @darkmaiden1776 3 місяці тому +2

    Greed.

  • @DavidPerez-dv7qb
    @DavidPerez-dv7qb 3 місяці тому +1

    It cheaper outside the USA

  • @slebli8047
    @slebli8047 3 місяці тому +2

    Wait till it’s closer to the concert it’ll be sold out

  • @Default-420s
    @Default-420s 3 місяці тому +10

    Who the hell is Olivia Rodrigo

    • @Idontapprove
      @Idontapprove 3 місяці тому +1

      A pop superstar. She sang the songs "drivers license" "good 4 u" and "vampire"

  • @dinnerwaltz
    @dinnerwaltz 3 місяці тому +8

    Why would anyone go to a concert when the quality of all the live music is not as good as YT?

    • @jlikafo1
      @jlikafo1 3 місяці тому +6

      Its about the experience bud... A concert is much more fun than listening on your phone

    • @flyingjew2994
      @flyingjew2994 3 місяці тому

      The experience, I guess, and seeing them in person, which I never understood. They're just people

    • @RocStarr913
      @RocStarr913 3 місяці тому +1

      Because performers have to make a living.

  • @shaunpatrick9705
    @shaunpatrick9705 3 місяці тому +1

    The answer: corporate greed 😢!

  • @dumbboykronick
    @dumbboykronick 3 місяці тому +1

    Just stop going 😊

  • @cance7984
    @cance7984 3 місяці тому +1

    I'd rather visit the spa.

  • @fytghggyungf7601
    @fytghggyungf7601 3 місяці тому +1

    Bidenflation

  • @jahmalonbethel1307
    @jahmalonbethel1307 3 місяці тому +1

    Nothing the company just want money.

  • @topguncharlie3964
    @topguncharlie3964 3 місяці тому +2

    I’ve never even been to a concert

  • @cosmicenergy1660
    @cosmicenergy1660 3 місяці тому +1

    Ew.

  • @bbygrlpt2
    @bbygrlpt2 3 місяці тому +5

    If theyre as big as Jlo and Beyonce or Taylor Swift then maybe but these new artists changin so much??! Lmao PASS

    • @1224jm
      @1224jm 3 місяці тому

      JLO isn’t even in the same realm as Taylor or beyonce. She couldn’t sell out her arenas let alone a stadium tour like taylor or beyonce

    • @bbygrlpt2
      @bbygrlpt2 3 місяці тому

      @@1224jm She def could.

    • @1224jm
      @1224jm 3 місяці тому

      @@bbygrlpt2how can she sell out stadiums when she had to cancel an arena tour because of low demand

    • @1224jm
      @1224jm 3 місяці тому

      Maybe 10-15 years ago she could’ve but not anymore

    • @bbygrlpt2
      @bbygrlpt2 3 місяці тому

      @@1224jm Wasnt low demand look at the ticket percentage sold

  • @trep40
    @trep40 3 місяці тому

    I’m not a concert person. I’m not paying to go to a concert to be pushed around by other people. I would NEVER pay $2000 to go to a concert. We all see the price of gas out here.

  • @MinnieWorld-vy2uo
    @MinnieWorld-vy2uo 3 місяці тому +1

    Second

  • @senorbusyman
    @senorbusyman 3 місяці тому

    I dont do music concerts anymore! Between the 90's & mid 2010's ive had my run seeing my favs from AC/DC to ZZ Top live so im good

  • @darkwolfy19
    @darkwolfy19 3 місяці тому

    This is why i dont go to concerts

  • @iiBus
    @iiBus 3 місяці тому

    Because companies seem to adore a number being higher than last year

  • @SaoirseAnthony
    @SaoirseAnthony 3 місяці тому

    I hope less people go and all the money is lost. Even stores. You would sell more if the prices were lower. They rather have stuff go to waste than put it at reasonable prices.

  • @RichRich1955
    @RichRich1955 3 місяці тому

    Why? These entertainers have mansions and private jets. They're not cheap

  • @trenaharmon85
    @trenaharmon85 3 місяці тому

    More power to you if you want to pay but I'm not putting more money in a celebrity's pocket

  • @kleingelicht1988
    @kleingelicht1988 3 місяці тому

    Because people have no live and buy these for whatever price they go for.

  • @JohnDoe-jo7mf
    @JohnDoe-jo7mf 3 місяці тому

    Its all energy and a game of human conciousness, entertainment is there for a reason, to distract from what really matter.

  • @Atrau2008
    @Atrau2008 3 місяці тому

    Why do these people think they deserve this kind of prices? Believe me, they don’t.

  • @Happy_Pappy_2024
    @Happy_Pappy_2024 3 місяці тому

    Jesus Christ shed His blood & died for your sins, was buried, & rose again on the third day to give you eternal life. Believe in his sacrifice and you will receive his free gift of salvation. ♥✝

  • @RefreshingShamrock
    @RefreshingShamrock 3 місяці тому

    I don't go to concerts to see fancy fireworks and weird costumes and special effects. I just go to hear some good music. Maybe I'm missing the point of having a good time, but I don't care about the expensive showy stuff.

  • @Dr_Sweet
    @Dr_Sweet 3 місяці тому

    Am I the only one who feels like they’re actually getting cheaper

  • @brennathecatlover4360
    @brennathecatlover4360 3 місяці тому

    I saw txt in the 100s section for $169 not terrible but I wish the fees weren’t ass

  • @user-rw2dr5my1s
    @user-rw2dr5my1s 3 місяці тому

    Just remember this, the artist decides how much those tickets sell for.

  • @javiruiz8365
    @javiruiz8365 3 місяці тому

    Would not pay that much to see any of those people. Or anyone! Rather go to a Broadway show

  • @LuckyO97
    @LuckyO97 3 місяці тому

    Yall think they care about you ? Or your money? Your slow lol stop wasting your money

  • @JCOwens-zq6fd
    @JCOwens-zq6fd 3 місяці тому

    The Gov't is working with the media to manufacture consent for the Gov't regulation of such things

  • @dawns.6620
    @dawns.6620 3 місяці тому

    Don’t pay it and we will all win when they bring their prices down.

  • @c_wonder
    @c_wonder 3 місяці тому

    lol JLo tickets were going for $36. No one wanted to see her live

  • @Anonymousphantom44
    @Anonymousphantom44 3 місяці тому

    Kiiiinda glad I don’t Wanna see any of these people. So far. EVER.

  • @Cupertinorail
    @Cupertinorail 3 місяці тому

    In 2023 I paid so much for a Tate McRae concert, it's outrageous. She sings a lot of breakup songs and it still gets to me that I paid so much for almost being thrown out.