Theory: Gohma WAS supposed to be in BotW, but since they took out the traditional dungeon, they lost her. In "Creating a Champion" they share that the Lanayru Promenade was originally called "the spider's nest." Why? Gohma dungeon behind the waterfall (my guess) So... With TotK reimplementing scrapped ideas, maybe they'll bring her back and put her in that area.
Considering BOTW brought back many old school elements, wouldn’t surprise me they’ve planned having it in BOTW, but couldn’t implement it. TOTK seem to scale up the implementation of old elements, and hopefully, many others which hardly appeared since, like Aquamentus.
In some development notes and datamined files, the Lanayru Promenade is still called "The Spider's Nest Mountain" , so you might be right actually. It would be a nice way to revisit this place, having a dungeon full of spiders and Gohma as a boss.
Weird that Gleeok has a bridge named after it near Mount Daphnes and yet this one planted its ass on the Bridge of Hylia. I have to wonder if other large monsters will block smaller bridges too?
My guess is that there'll be a couple Gleeoks across the world just like with the Hinox and Talus Which checks out since even in NES Legend of Zelda, there was more than one gleeok
@@NayruYT hopefully, instead of just changing the colour as they level up like in BotW the gleeok gets extra heads. I also want to see staldra, even as a stal version of gleeok.
I was thinking how fun and likely polished a dragon enemy could be. my plan is to go up in a little hot air balloon and rain hell from above then jump out for the final blow lmao.
Although there aren’t any regular guardians anymore, there technically still could be a battle tested guardian somewhere, and I think that would be a cool boss in Tears Of The Kingdom
Fantastic video! I really, really hope we get these as overworld bosses. Also, I believe the Hinox first appeared in the Dark World in A Link to the Past. I actually had forgotten they are in Link’s Awakening!
Would love to see a "Lore history of bosses" video to try and see what kind of stories the bosses have led Especially ones like Gohma that keep popping up. Like it obviously couldn't be the same Gohma but still. Might be cool
I think it would be cool to include Aquamentus as like a sidequest boss. Zeltik had this cool idea where you would be approached by a child at a stable, the child would say they saw a unicorn in the forest and ask you to go see it. Link would go into the forest, but instead of a unicorn, he would see Aquamentus, a dragon who uses his unicorn's horn to lure unususpecting travelers and curious children towards him to prey on. Initiate a bossfight in a forest with Aqua knocking down trees with fire and creating updrafts for Link to paraglide on and get a vantage point to fire with
Seems appropriate for him to be sitting on a bridge in the trailer. Seems like his most notable appearances all have him blocking a pathway, like a door or a bridge.
I do want to see a load of old enemies bought back, I have a feeling swimming will be the exact same, with the bridge being blocked off. When I first saw that dangling monster, that Link lit on fire, it reminded me of those long tentacles inside Lord Jabu-Jabu, when Link needed to use the boomerang.
When you mention Gohma being in underground caves, I was thinking that the Skulltulas could also make a return as well. They would be perfect for underground. Since they are also spiders, but much smaller than Gohma. Other enemies that I would like to see return: Wolfos Wall Masters Floor Masters Bubbles Gibdos Dead Hand (was in Ocarina of Time, but hasn't been in any other Zelda games since then) Poes Dark Nuts Iron Knuckles And other Zelda enemies that they could bring to Tears of the Kingdom. I know there might be a chance that most of these enemies won't make it in, but it would be neat if they did since Tears of the Kingdom is going for a darker tone for the story and theme.
@@sonic23233 I didn't say anything about DLC in my original post. Since you brought it up, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo plans on having DLC for Tears of the Kingdom.
@@NayruYT Not only that, but it's called "Flame Gleeok" and not just Gleeok. We may end up having an Ice Gleeok and an Electric Gleeok too at the very least! And I am all in for it, the dragon is quite massive compared to Link, so the more we have, the better.
@@NayruYT You're welcome man.👍 Personally, I am glad that they went this way, and gave an awesome redesign to another classic enemy, making him huge. Hopefully they won't be pushovers either.
I personally wanna see more undead type enemies like redeads and dead hands. Botw was basically devoid of any creepy monsters, while oot and mm were full of them
Most people overlook that ALTTP also had a boss/variant inspired by gleeok in trinexx. It was a 3 headed dragon with the body of a turtle, one head fire and the other ice
How was anyone going to miss this? I watched it on a shitty phone late at night and still saw some shit glowing, knowing it must be some kind of enemy...
Great video, Nayru! I think with the guardians gone some of these ideas would be awesome, espeically a gohma or a digdogger like enemy. Was also thinking it would be cool if skulltullas were in the game. There needs to be some kind of spider-like creature lol. If that's not gleeok I would be surprised. That's very obvious inspiration if not.
Thanks for checking the video out MonsterMaze! I thought you might like the idea of Aquamentis in the labyrinth since it'll literally be a monster in a maze 😎
@@NayruYT You got that right! And Im a huge sucker for the nostalgia of the older 2D games. It's always nice when Nintendo pays tribute to the classics which started it all ^^
Wallmasters for Labyrinths, Like-likes for open world encounters and Sandmen in the deserts to make you think twice about that loot or chest in the middle of nowhere.
so glad they're doing something cool with the bridge and lake hylia by putting the dragon there. in botw it's very pretty, but there's really not much to do there. i'm already dreading trying to fight this thing on such a narrow battleground, look forward to dying a lot lol. probably gonna be one of the first things i seek out when i start the game.
Honestly seeing retro bosses as overworld ones makes so much sense in the context of specifically Breath of the Wild's Hyrule. Dungeon bosses in this... era seem to lean more towards a mystic, ethereal, or corruptive aesthetic, with more traditional monsters being overworld threats. I really wanna see a reinterpretation on Moldorm. Skyward Sword had these gross demonic centipedes, and that would be an amazing bossfight in Tears of the Kingdom. They may have a damage resistance for their head and body, but their tail is, as per tradition, a weak spot.
One boss I would like them to bring back for the Underworld is a reimagined Helmasaur King from LTTP. Gleeok's tail already looks a lot like Helmasaur King's! Having a Mothula in The Lost Woods would also be a neat callback. Man, classic Zelda bosses are great.
DigDogger could appear in a swampy region, perhaps accompanying ReDeads, and it could walk on all its legs. It was inspired by sea urchins so that would be even creepier.
It looks like Gleeok's finally making its 3D debut! And I'm betting that not only will there by a fiery Gleeok, but also an icy Gleeok, an electric Gleeok, and a malicious Gleeok.
I think we're going to see more overworld bosses in this game, BOTW just had Hinoxes, Taluses and Moldugas but I think TOTK will have more, unique overworld bosses, like this 3 headed dragon creature may only be on the bridge and no where else, you could probably run past to get to the other side but more of these challenge roadblocks will probably be in the game, still open world but now you have to either fight or sneak past
@@NayruYT I can just imagine it’s head being used as spears and it would have a swing attack with its tail which you can initiate a flurry rush. Or you can climb up on it and stab one of its heads.
I think there's not just an opportunity to bring to life original Zelda bosses, but also Zelda II bosses as well, this is after all the sequel to Breath of the Wild, so why not incorporate features from Adventures of Link, including some of their very weird bosses.
Zeltik brought up reusing old Zelda enemies. Hopefully Gleeock is one of many. I really want a king dodongo or gohma boss fight in the overworld/underground.
I imagine you're thinking of Staldra! He's more of a snake Id say and doesn't have wings, so I'd still lean towards this either being Gleeok, or a new monster
@@NayruYTit would spawn 3 heads then with each head that gets destroyed the gliok would get stronger until it gets one head then we would probably have to climb on its body to deliver the final strike
It is a boss called Gleeok, I think(and hope) they are defeated like the stal type enemies, by killing its heads, Ghoma, Dodongo, Aquamentus, dig doger and Manhandla, also classic sub-bosses like dark nut, stalfos, dinolfos, TOTK is a perfect chance to pay homage to the classic enemies, sub-bosses and bosses.
If they treat bosses like how they treated the malduga, like 3 or 4 types found in a region while also giving them ruins or areas that ask you to fight them in a different way. Like each malduga has landmarks to fight around. Maybe give us combinations to fight. Why not fight a gelock and a gohma Ontop of that we might get malice infused bosses too like how they appeared in AOC.
there is a massive wolf like creatrure in the backround of link running accross one of those nasca lines type ground pictures in the back, I thought that is what you saw..huh...look closer my man.
I'm wondering if we're going to get elemental Gleocks we have seen that there was going to be at least one with fire but are there going to be others that have ice powers and lightning powers..... I would find that very interesting....also love the manhandala idea... we have a variant of the desert, and a hiding in the Lost Woods and such
I really hope they add these bosses as over world bosses, one of botws weaknesses was just a lack of bosses, and the bosses that were there just kinda sucked, pretty easy and not very complex
GOD I do NOT want Gohma to reappear unless they go the more scorpion route!! I just haaaaate spiders. I'm still mad at Nintendo for putting hostile tarantulas in ACNH
It’s been crazy, i have been waiting quite a while for silksong and tears of the kingdom. Know the year 2023 comes around with the information that both these games will be released and around the same time too. Im just a little sad that during all my waiting I had 3 children, 5 grandchildren, 8 jobs, 2 wives and now I have no time for video games
This is such a funny comment because if you "literally" just scrolled down a bit past the comment box, you'd see a ton of people talking about wanting Gleeok back
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Theory: Gohma WAS supposed to be in BotW, but since they took out the traditional dungeon, they lost her.
In "Creating a Champion" they share that the Lanayru Promenade was originally called "the spider's nest." Why? Gohma dungeon behind the waterfall (my guess)
So... With TotK reimplementing scrapped ideas, maybe they'll bring her back and put her in that area.
This is an excellent point!
Dungeons should go back, the fact that we're going underground now.
Considering BOTW brought back many old school elements, wouldn’t surprise me they’ve planned having it in BOTW, but couldn’t implement it. TOTK seem to scale up the implementation of old elements, and hopefully, many others which hardly appeared since, like Aquamentus.
In some development notes and datamined files, the Lanayru Promenade is still called "The Spider's Nest Mountain" , so you might be right actually. It would be a nice way to revisit this place, having a dungeon full of spiders and Gohma as a boss.
Gleeok is an unparalleled boss name. A true classic
Along with Aquamentus and Digdogger, Nintendo was on some next level stuff when it came to the NES boss names
Weird that Gleeok has a bridge named after it near Mount Daphnes and yet this one planted its ass on the Bridge of Hylia. I have to wonder if other large monsters will block smaller bridges too?
My guess is that there'll be a couple Gleeoks across the world just like with the Hinox and Talus
Which checks out since even in NES Legend of Zelda, there was more than one gleeok
@@NayruYT hopefully, instead of just changing the colour as they level up like in BotW the gleeok gets extra heads.
I also want to see staldra, even as a stal version of gleeok.
Just had an image of using the green hand like a grapple hook and swinging back and fourth, under the bridge to fight him.
What an excellent image that is
I was thinking how fun and likely polished a dragon enemy could be. my plan is to go up in a little hot air balloon and rain hell from above then jump out for the final blow lmao.
That sounds sick as fuck but I doubt they'll add it
Although there aren’t any regular guardians anymore, there technically still could be a battle tested guardian somewhere, and I think that would be a cool boss in Tears Of The Kingdom
yeah one surviving super-tough guardian would be a really cool idea for a secret boss
Battle tested guardian from age of calamity huh. That would be cool. And Terrako returning would also be cool
Fantastic video! I really, really hope we get these as overworld bosses. Also, I believe the Hinox first appeared in the Dark World in A Link to the Past. I actually had forgotten they are in Link’s Awakening!
And for my part, I forgot they were in ALTTP!
Thanks for the kind words David!
Would love to see a "Lore history of bosses" video to try and see what kind of stories the bosses have led
Especially ones like Gohma that keep popping up. Like it obviously couldn't be the same Gohma but still. Might be cool
That is a great idea, I'll keep it in mind for sure!
I think it would be cool to include Aquamentus as like a sidequest boss. Zeltik had this cool idea where you would be approached by a child at a stable, the child would say they saw a unicorn in the forest and ask you to go see it. Link would go into the forest, but instead of a unicorn, he would see Aquamentus, a dragon who uses his unicorn's horn to lure unususpecting travelers and curious children towards him to prey on. Initiate a bossfight in a forest with Aqua knocking down trees with fire and creating updrafts for Link to paraglide on and get a vantage point to fire with
daaaang that is a cool idea
The new Gleeok looks awesome.
Hinox first appeared in "Link to the Past," not "Link's Awakening."
So... Does Frox fill the Dodongo gap?
Aquamentus could've been implemented as an easier Gleeok.
Manhandla and Digdogger are missing, though.
Seems appropriate for him to be sitting on a bridge in the trailer. Seems like his most notable appearances all have him blocking a pathway, like a door or a bridge.
A great point!
GLEEOK! WELCOME HOME BUDDY!
I can't wait to see that fella again
I do want to see a load of old enemies bought back, I have a feeling swimming will be the exact same, with the bridge being blocked off.
When I first saw that dangling monster, that Link lit on fire, it reminded me of those long tentacles inside Lord Jabu-Jabu, when Link needed to use the boomerang.
I can't wait for the return of the ReDead
When you mention Gohma being in underground caves, I was thinking that the Skulltulas could also make a return as well. They would be perfect for underground. Since they are also spiders, but much smaller than Gohma.
Other enemies that I would like to see return:
Wolfos
Wall Masters
Floor Masters
Bubbles
Gibdos
Dead Hand (was in Ocarina of Time, but hasn't been in any other Zelda games since then)
Poes
Dark Nuts
Iron Knuckles
And other Zelda enemies that they could bring to Tears of the Kingdom.
I know there might be a chance that most of these enemies won't make it in, but it would be neat if they did since Tears of the Kingdom is going for a darker tone for the story and theme.
I think Poes would be thematically appropriate as well
There's going to be DLC
@@sonic23233
I didn't say anything about DLC in my original post. Since you brought it up, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo plans on having DLC for Tears of the Kingdom.
@@NayruYT maybe the little blue light things in the underground are inactive poes... game theory..
This definitely fits the whole idea of a cyclical timeline.
It'll be interesting to see
We got an ad leak, and guess what?
The 3 headed dragon, IS INDEED, Gleeok.
absolutely epic
@@NayruYT
Not only that, but it's called "Flame Gleeok" and not just Gleeok.
We may end up having an Ice Gleeok and an Electric Gleeok too at the very least!
And I am all in for it, the dragon is quite massive compared to Link, so the more we have, the better.
@@a.liguria2698 I appreciate the info! I managed to find it on twitter after your heads up. I love how mobile he appears to be!
@@NayruYT
You're welcome man.👍
Personally, I am glad that they went this way, and gave an awesome redesign to another classic enemy, making him huge. Hopefully they won't be pushovers either.
DANG! They really did Digdogger dirty. I had no idea.
Lets give em a second chance.
Poor Digdogger. At least his OoS fight is better.
I personally wanna see more undead type enemies like redeads and dead hands. Botw was basically devoid of any creepy monsters, while oot and mm were full of them
ReDead is for sure returning! Would love to see BotW's take on Dead Hand
Most people overlook that ALTTP also had a boss/variant inspired by gleeok in trinexx. It was a 3 headed dragon with the body of a turtle, one head fire and the other ice
Trinexx is an awesome fight, one of my favourite in TP. Would love to see him back, he'd make a great subterranean boss!
How was anyone going to miss this? I watched it on a shitty phone late at night and still saw some shit glowing, knowing it must be some kind of enemy...
My twitter timeline was full of "Woah I didn't even see that" when I posted it
So happy to see Gleeok back after almost two decades.
I can't wait to see him in the flesh
@@NayruYT I can't wait to see him in the bone. ;)
Great video, Nayru! I think with the guardians gone some of these ideas would be awesome, espeically a gohma or a digdogger like enemy. Was also thinking it would be cool if skulltullas were in the game. There needs to be some kind of spider-like creature lol. If that's not gleeok I would be surprised. That's very obvious inspiration if not.
Skulltulas jumping off the tops of the dead trees in the Forbidden Woods, now that the Deku Tree is gone
@@NayruYT that would be perfect.
Gimme more clasic Zelda bosses! 😁
Thanks for checking the video out MonsterMaze!
I thought you might like the idea of Aquamentis in the labyrinth since it'll literally be a monster in a maze 😎
@@NayruYT You got that right! And Im a huge sucker for the nostalgia of the older 2D games. It's always nice when Nintendo pays tribute to the classics which started it all ^^
Wallmasters for Labyrinths, Like-likes for open world encounters and Sandmen in the deserts to make you think twice about that loot or chest in the middle of nowhere.
Wallmasters in Lomei would be awesome
LOVED the digdoger idea and will be dissapointed if its not in the game now lol
Also ghoma would be perfect for recreating the zelda GC tech demo
Thank you very much! And I'd love a nod to the tech demo
so glad they're doing something cool with the bridge and lake hylia by putting the dragon there. in botw it's very pretty, but there's really not much to do there. i'm already dreading trying to fight this thing on such a narrow battleground, look forward to dying a lot lol. probably gonna be one of the first things i seek out when i start the game.
Hopefully the new emphasis on arial combat will make the fight feel even more epic
2:27 no, you are mistaken. Hinox may have first appeared as a boss or mini boss in LA, but their actual first appearance was in ALTTP
Correct! Missed that originally
Honestly seeing retro bosses as overworld ones makes so much sense in the context of specifically Breath of the Wild's Hyrule. Dungeon bosses in this... era seem to lean more towards a mystic, ethereal, or corruptive aesthetic, with more traditional monsters being overworld threats.
I really wanna see a reinterpretation on Moldorm. Skyward Sword had these gross demonic centipedes, and that would be an amazing bossfight in Tears of the Kingdom. They may have a damage resistance for their head and body, but their tail is, as per tradition, a weak spot.
A return of Moldorm would be excellent
9:04 it would be deadly in the labyrinths as sneak attacks. Or maybe it can spawn enemies with malice like in the trailer
Absolutely!
Digdoggers artwork slightly reminds me of malice. Maybe the malice can take form in tears of the kingdom or something similar.
Yes I totally see it!
Maybe guardians will appear underground as a boss battle. Like in Bowser's inside story with the shroobs
That would be a good place for them
And Sheikah tech is buried underground
If Digdogger returns in TOTK, I suspect I it would be a floating malice eye with malice tendrils
That would be super cool!
One boss I would like them to bring back for the Underworld is a reimagined Helmasaur King from LTTP. Gleeok's tail already looks a lot like Helmasaur King's!
Having a Mothula in The Lost Woods would also be a neat callback. Man, classic Zelda bosses are great.
DigDogger could appear in a swampy region, perhaps accompanying ReDeads, and it could walk on all its legs. It was inspired by sea urchins so that would be even creepier.
I love that idea as well!
It looks like Gleeok's finally making its 3D debut! And I'm betting that not only will there by a fiery Gleeok, but also an icy Gleeok, an electric Gleeok, and a malicious Gleeok.
I think we're going to see more overworld bosses in this game, BOTW just had Hinoxes, Taluses and Moldugas but I think TOTK will have more, unique overworld bosses, like this 3 headed dragon creature may only be on the bridge and no where else, you could probably run past to get to the other side but more of these challenge roadblocks will probably be in the game, still open world but now you have to either fight or sneak past
I can't wait to see!
@@NayruYT I can just imagine it’s head being used as spears and it would have a swing attack with its tail which you can initiate a flurry rush. Or you can climb up on it and stab one of its heads.
I think there's not just an opportunity to bring to life original Zelda bosses, but also Zelda II bosses as well, this is after all the sequel to Breath of the Wild, so why not incorporate features from Adventures of Link, including some of their very weird bosses.
Zeltik brought up reusing old Zelda enemies. Hopefully Gleeock is one of many. I really want a king dodongo or gohma boss fight in the overworld/underground.
It would be really amazing to see for sure
2:25 Hinoxes originated in Link of the Past, not Link's Awakening.
Correct! My bad
Somehow imagining fighting gleok reminds me of lord of the rings balrog scene
I can see it!
I'm all for bringing back all the Zelda 1 bosses, what a great idea.
I hope it is a correct idea!
Maybe each region will have a boss that has a key to use it somewhere to unlock the map of the region?
I really enjoyed this breakdown
I don't remember the name but there was a 3 headed dragon in Skyward Sword as well. Though it was more of a mini boss
I imagine you're thinking of Staldra! He's more of a snake Id say and doesn't have wings, so I'd still lean towards this either being Gleeok, or a new monster
gleok is in cadence of hyrule also
Gleeokenspiel!
What if we have to use the weapon we saw link use against the stone talus in the recent trailer against gliok to destroy its head
That would be awesome!
@@NayruYTit would spawn 3 heads then with each head that gets destroyed the gliok would get stronger until it gets one head then we would probably have to climb on its body to deliver the final strike
It is a boss called Gleeok, I think(and hope) they are defeated like the stal type enemies, by killing its heads, Ghoma, Dodongo, Aquamentus, dig doger and Manhandla, also classic sub-bosses like dark nut, stalfos, dinolfos, TOTK is a perfect chance to pay homage to the classic enemies, sub-bosses and bosses.
That is indeed what the video is about
If they treat bosses like how they treated the malduga, like 3 or 4 types found in a region while also giving them ruins or areas that ask you to fight them in a different way.
Like each malduga has landmarks to fight around.
Maybe give us combinations to fight. Why not fight a gelock and a gohma
Ontop of that we might get malice infused bosses too like how they appeared in AOC.
Now THAT would be awesome
Ik this was a mini boss, but imagine if you could get swarmed by Patra, kinda like the keese swarms in botw
Truly horrifying
King Ghirdorah appearing Zelda!
Yeeeeeeees I love the connection
man i didnt think about gohma in the underground areas... im worried
And her nasty little children swarming you
@@NayruYT I hate it
there is a massive wolf like creatrure in the backround of link running accross one of those nasca lines type ground pictures in the back, I thought that is what you saw..huh...look closer my man.
look for it bro it gets lit up by the lightening.
Do you have a timestamp for the trailer? I can't see anything in any of the scenes with Nazca lines
@@NayruYT 1:06 in the new trailer, look real hard in the far back and u can see something walking and it's huge.
Don’t forget the three headed Staldra’s from skyward sword
I'd love for them to bring that snakey boi back too
I'm wondering if we're going to get elemental Gleocks we have seen that there was going to be at least one with fire but are there going to be others that have ice powers and lightning powers..... I would find that very interesting....also love the manhandala idea... we have a variant of the desert, and a hiding in the Lost Woods and such
I think elemental variations would be great. I loved them in Age of Calamity, and I've been badly wanting them to bring it over to TotK.
I really hope they add these bosses as over world bosses, one of botws weaknesses was just a lack of bosses, and the bosses that were there just kinda sucked, pretty easy and not very complex
I want the armored knight enemies to appear.
It would be absolutely awesome for Darknuts to make a return
Yeah, I'd love all of the original game's bosses to be in TOTK!
Gleok- thats a name I forgot about.
Hoping for the Helmasaur King from Link to the Past to make an appearence!
That would be excellent
GOD I do NOT want Gohma to reappear unless they go the more scorpion route!! I just haaaaate spiders. I'm still mad at Nintendo for putting hostile tarantulas in ACNH
Hahaha that is totally fair!
Gleeok is coming for these nuts 😅
Manhandalla was in Twilight Princess
If you're thinking of the Forest Temple boss, that was Diababa
Staldra Fused with the Gleeok
I'd love to see Staldra just come back on his own!
Hey how’s it going
It’s been crazy, i have been waiting quite a while for silksong and tears of the kingdom. Know the year 2023 comes around with the information that both these games will be released and around the same time too. Im just a little sad that during all my waiting I had 3 children, 5 grandchildren, 8 jobs, 2 wives and now I have no time for video games
I'm well Skull Kid, always happy to see you in my comments!
YESSSSS PLEAAAASE!!!
It would be so rad
digdoger should have laser eyes
That would rule
It’s gleeok lol
Yoooo came for the copium let's goooo puttin the vid on now!
Much appreciated my guy
Love this!
Thank you!
Oh, go outside and live adventure yourself. Ancient art is in your nearest Creek.
What
S*brosian (ew)
Rood
Literally nobody misses the massive 3 headed dragon.
This is such a funny comment because if you "literally" just scrolled down a bit past the comment box, you'd see a ton of people talking about wanting Gleeok back