What's the MOST REALISTIC ZOOM and PILOTS FIELD OF VIEW in flight simulator? | Real Airline Pilot
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I was waiting for this video for so long. Much needed, thanks. You feel like a true real pilot friend. Whatever questions we have gets answered.
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But but, he IS a true real pilot :P
@@chrmats4 Hi I think he ment a pilot Friend
One of the most eye opening experiences (pun intended) for me was experiencing the sim in vr for the first time. You really get a sense of the size of the cockpit and your height from the ground - which is especially awesome in something like a 747.
The zoom controls your "eye" zoom and everything your "eye" sees. I find that adjusting my "head" position so the scenery outside the flightdeck deck is not affected. If there were two different zoom types, like inside zoom and outside zoom, I think that would be ideal.
Agree. Zoom setting affects fov. Lower fov results in more difficult visual for landing. Harder to realise descent rate during flare.
Set zoom to zero, then use (left) ALT+UP Arrow. You're welcome 😉
no one seems to have noticed that if you look at the seats and the floor they appear to be fully retracted. I expect they move forward depending how long your legs are and therefore the default seat position is far too rearward?
I think moving the pilot position forward (not zoom) would be better so the outside zoom is not effected like it is now. The problem with 70% zoom (which I do) is it zooms outside as well.
Not that you need validation from some random Nut on the opposite side of the internet, but I did both Zoom like A330 has shown us and left zoom default and changed Pilot Position via hard key and found Pilot Position works better for my setup! THX! 🙂
@@muaddib_actual3511 yes I forgot that I did manage to move the pilot position. Have not used MSFS in a while. As you say this is a better way of positioning. I do both. zoom and move.
It’s funny on the GA aircraft, until I started flying in real life I didn’t realize how xtremely low the camera is in msfs. Real world your position is moved much higher in the airplane and much more “zoomed in”
Resulted in my getting second monitors to mount below the in game view to use for pop out instruments so I could make the camera look more like the real thing
The one thing that bugs me is my yoke on my desk. Its too high and there’s not much I can do about it. It also makes it difficult to implement a solution with additional displays like yours.
@@Hoekstes Yeah I have a Honeycomb but I never use it because of that. I just use the sidestick.
You have provided so many answers to so many questions ive had. I dont think anyone thinks of certain topics like you do. Thank you and keep it up Emmanuel👌
I used to use a similar setup to what you showed, however I found it hard to judge my flare in that view. I have started using the "default" more zoomed out view during approach, with minor adjustments.
I've found that those settings have the horizon line sitting around the middle horizontally of my monitor, and this really helps when trying to judge the pitch of the aircraft visually.
Thanks Emmanuel! Love your passion for showing us new tips!
that's a topic that bugged me a lot for quite some time so thank you for addressing it!
Thanks for sharing these infos with us!
One thing I found after a real flight in the cockpit while being a flightsimmer is that the runway looks absolutely huge. Even while being like 15 nm out it still felt like about 5 nm. In the same way, when I heard the 1000 foot call it felt like we where at about 300 foot in terms of distance to the runway. Since then I like to zoom in as far as possible and then just move the camera back so I can see all the instruments. Don’t know if this is 100% correct, but I’d love to hear someone’s opinion about it that has a little experience.
ive been wondering about this for so long 😂Thankyou
Thank you so much this always got in my nerves trying to get the best zoom
Thank you, I'll try it out.
Another great video. This will also help people land as you can judge the distance a lot better. For me i set my view so that 10kts taxi speed feels and looks slow, as you are high off the ground in the cockpit and it shouldn't look fast while taxi-ing :)
Great video Emmanual, but i think having the right seating position (in the sim cockpit) is just as important as the zoom! Would love to see a video covering that too, then that would be awesome!!
I often wondered about that because my eyes are definitely not wide angle like that default camera. Thank you
Great video. Great idea. Thank you.
@a330Driver .. Hey emmanuel.... i went thru your theory sessions of studying the A310 and converted into practical flying it... Really nice plane😍😍
It is interesting that the FOV in general practice a pilot bias would be looking out the window and lowering eyes to view the displays, and to head tilt/physically look downward to view the lower instruments and centre pedestal, as you have mentioned, if I interpret you correctly?
Also this implies centre director and overhead switch gear is within easy reach.
I imagine this could be achieved more easily and realistically in VR?
I do wonder whether it’s common practice for pilots to set the seat further back (and perhaps lower) to mimic a more typical flightsim instrument biased FOV during the cruise phase of the flight?
Great video, thanks!
Danke! Hab zufällig erst gestern nochmals darüber nachgedacht 😅
nice to see you fly the D-ABGH in the simulator. my dad flew it in real life for airberlin
Nice. This is exactly the zoom I use in airbus and boeing. What I could never make work (in msfs) is the "set custom camera views ". Supposedly it's a keyboard shortcut program such as alt ctrl and a number.. then it saves and you recall by ctrl and that number. Nevrr worked for me in any aircraft!
Thanks for the information
imho PMDG got it quite right in their default view of the 737 series. What I do ever since with every new plane, is create a custom camera.cfg file (save a custom default pilot view) with the same initial zoom value as the PMDG 737s. To do this, edit the camera.cfg value InitialZoom=0.354. It yields in pretty much what your showing here actually. This has the advantage, that you get the same zoom level on all your fleet, based on the same baseline. Modifying the zoom level in the GUI will zoom in or out based on what the devs have set as ititial zoom level - dunno if that makes sense, hard to explain ;-). For me this is quite important, since the zoom level will not only influence your FOV but also the "sence of speed" since your outside world is also zoomed in or out. Thus the importance to have it more or less identical on all planes.
Agreed, Í'm currently trying to get into the Fenix A320 and the cockpit view never feels proper, but the PMDG 737 just feels right. I'll look into the camera.cfg this weekend when I return to the Bus. The instrument camera positions are also really meh in the Fenix, any Idea if I can copy them over from the 737?
I think a lot of this has to do with monitor size, resolution and how close you sit to the screen. The base of a 737 cockpit windshield pane (either front left or right) is 84cm, which translates roughly to a 37 inch monitor diagonal, so ideally you'd probably want a monitor of about 32in or bigger (I have a 32), to avoid everything looking too small. I also fine that 4k resolution really helps with reading small text on glass cockpit screens without having to zoom in too much, although even with my 4k monitor, I still kinda want to look into undocking displays onto an iPad, at least for the PFD and ND. I also find a head tracking device really helps because you can set the zoom further in and just look around and move your head closer to zoom in a bit, which feels more natural than a hat switch and scroll wheel. The only annoying thing about a smaller monitor, with head tracking and addons like FS Realistic, is you can't see the FCU displays without looking to the right, and when you go to control them with the mouse, the click spots are quite small and it can be really hard to change the values as the cockpit is moving around under your cursor. I've found that setting up my Loupedeck live with Spad.Next has worked really nicely with the Phoenix for this, but I still can't see the FCU displays when looking straight ahead unless I zoom out more, so minFCU is looking quite appealing now that Phoenix have just announced full support is coming soon.
There's a bit more to it than zoom. I like to put my head reference point more forward, which gives a better ratio of view to actual pilot position. I can see by your eye point reference balls you could do the same
Having a head tracking device also allows you to zoom a little bit more, since you are able to scan more easily.
Biggest surprise for me is when I sit in a military jet in a museum. The cockpits are tiny and the instruments are small, way below your head, inline with your knees and waist. You look down at them, not straight forward like the usual default camera position in sims.
Well done keep it up
Awesome video as always!!! Would you be able to do a quick video on the hud control panel on the 737?
He has a set of videos talking about the HUD on the 737. Here's him specifically talking about the control panel... ua-cam.com/video/O4W3bxSUUY0/v-deo.html
@@joshellis625 appreciate the exact time clip!!! Thank you!!
What I always find most interesting about perspective in flight sims is that the whole cockpit looks a whole lot bigger than it does in real life.
It is especially with any kind of button; irl buttons look like 50% the size that they do on our monitors!
Funny how perspectives and screens work Eh
75% zoom in MSFS seems to be equivalent to 1.0 in FSX. That provides the most “natural” FOV and more importantly doesn’t distort the runway shape. It’s like the 35mm lens of MSFS. To zoom that far in though, you do need to invest in head or eye tracking to be able to easily look around the cockpit and adjust your head position so you can see over the nose. You should have to look down to see more than the top row of instruments.
It’s really hard to beat VR though if you want to fly like real life… the FOV is exact and having a stereoscopic view makes judging landings considerably easier.
This is something i always wondered but also i'd like to have your opinion on the overall "geometry" cause by zooming in and out. For example if you look at the windshield frame, both the left one and the center one where the 3 balls are, when zoomed out at standard value it looks way too slanted which i don't think it's the correct shape and perception. Of course this zooming in and out il also going to change the sense of speed you get when using the simulator, when taxing at the same speed for example, different zoom levels will give you different speed perception.
Would be nice to have your input on which zoom level "seems" closer to reality for you in terms of speed perception and overall cockpit geometry. Thanks!
Man, the videos are getting awesome. Would you create a reaction video to Fenix B2 preview? Thank you!
Very informative. Could you do a video on how Vapp is determined and if it should be altered or not?
I have the the four displays repeated on a second monitor, 1920x515 12", just below the main monitor
Hey man, can you do a video on IAN and GLS approaches in 737? Love your videos!
Thanks very much for your instructive video! Nevertheless, I prefer flying exclusively in VR in a 5 DOF sim because I still find this the most immersive and realistic experience.
Don't forget seating position (or head position) can affect how much or how little you can see.
This video assumes optimal seating position as per the FCOM.
I zoom and move to where I like and just press Ctrl+F10 to sett my own default
The value 0.354 (initial zoom) in the Camera Config file is already a good guideline!
I use authentic FOV for my 32" monitor at 70cm, it's H52.4 V30.9(about x1.10 in P3D), quite narrow, I can only see outside window or PFD/ND, choice one. That's why I'll only fly with TrackIR, and I also have a auxiliary monitor under my main one for PFD/ND pop-out or AirManager dash.
When doing cockpit prep I might zoom out, but I'll keep authentic FOV for TO/LD.
I do have VR but I didn't use it much for civil airplane, due to performance and limitation on access EFB/doc etc... I do use it for sim racing, dogfight, and Helicopters though, much better than flat screen.
Interesting, what I do on my 50” monitor is hold up a ruler to the monitor and zoom the view in till the gauge on the screen is the same dimension on the screen as a real gauge, then use trackir to look around, works well for me.
At that monitor size that's certainly a very good idea I'd say!
Isn’t that a tv at 50 in not a monitor lol ?
This is tricky to explain but I wonder if it would be possible to offset the center of the field of view toward the left of the screen, (or the right) so you could sit off to one side of the monitor and see the flight instruments centered , and when you look towards the other side of the screen you can see the engine instruments with a sense of perspective. Why? I feel that if you have the PFD or flight instruments completely centered, half the screen is basically wasted with the window frame, the clock etc.
Hi, that’s possible in the MSFS Camera settings menu. You can manipulate the default positions there. However when you compare the position of the seat with the position of the flight instruments, you will notice that the plane is indeed designed with a certain offset. That goes for both, Boeing and Airbus indeed.
Hi Emanuel, it would be very helpful if you maybe could provide real numbers from a A320 cockpit, so we could adjust our FOV accordingly. Only two numbers are needed. Your eye distance to center of the PFD (or what ever is in the horizontal center at the display height) once you are seated correctly and for example the distance between the upper left corner of the PFD glass display and the upper right corner of the navigation glass display. That would enable us to check out the real FOV and maybe with big screens like 55inch or larger adapt accordingly. Not sure what you are flying right now. B737 NGX would be very welcome too. 😊 Thanks a lot! Christoph
Make one video for sounds options
Any idea what physical display size best emulates the actual size of the instruments when at the appropriate zoom setting for accurate field of view?
The correct thing to do in your setup is to zoom to 70 only the cockpit. Not with environment outside. Also There is something wrong with fs. The external environment looks uphill. The horizon is very high
Very helpful, thanks for discussing this :)
do you use your mouse to get around the cabin? or eyetracker?
I have my zoom set up at 75 for Airbus and GA which looks to close in B737,-8 if I look around the cockpit... so I have it at 69 for Boeing. My monitor is 34 inches ultrawide.
With a zoom like that you really need an eye tracker.
For me it works nice with the mouse as well, but if you don't have a problem with the feeling of using an eye tracker then I can certainly recommend it. Personally the concept of moving your head but keeping your eyes looking at the same spot on the screen just is weird and something I can't really get myself into, regardless how much I try.
I'm now in the Fenix trying out your zoom recommendation, with the mouse as I don't have a tracker. Let's see :)
I prefer other methods. I don't like zooming in much, because it offsets my depth of field in sim, how far are things etc. Guess I am more or less used to the default setting. I change my lateral position via alt+arrow keys to bring myself closer, while I can maintain a fairly realistic zoom level.
I tend to keep it zoomed out even more. So that I see most of the FCU. That way I have most of the most stuff on the screen all the time. I have a 42'' 4K display that also around 50-60 cm from where I sit. I sit a little bit on the left side of the screen, so I have to move my eyeballs to the right to see the ECAM, but I don't have to move my head or more the view in the sim.
I have owned a TrackIR for probably a decade now, but barely use it. Having to keep your head still is not for me. I look at charts, my notepad, other screens etc. all the time. I don't want the view to follow me. I know I can pause it, but then what's the point. In general having the cockpit move when I move my head is something I could never get used to.
I wish we could zoom cockpit and outside vieuw apart
What airport where you at?
All I’ve done in the fenix is gone down in the seat by 1, I feel it’s sat slightly to too high, you can tell by the headrests
I got to disagree about the lower seating position. FS Developers tend to use very low positions in most aircraft, which might make you feel like you’re too high, but I actually think the default position in the Fenix is pretty accurate.
@@A330Driver ahh ok I just went by the looking to the side and seeing the headrests and how much higher you are compared to where your head would be. Tho I sit pretty low in the car and my lorry cos I’m cool :/ lol
@@A330Driver good to know thanks !
If you do the "field of vision" test with your hands as you suggest, what you will learn is that your horizontal FOV is about 190 degrees. Not exactly small. But irrelevant. You can't have and don't want peripheral vision with a computer monitor because it is just a window directly in front of you. Theoretically, what you want is a field of view whose angle matches the angle formed by the corners of the screen and your face, which varies by size of monitor and how far you sit. If you had a 180 wraparound screen, you'd want 180. The monitor that I'm typing this at is 30" from my nose and is about 20" wide which works out to about a 37 degree FOV. I find that natural and can usually read the instruments pretty well, and I don't see the barrel distortion when looking around with TrackIR as I do when set to the 50-ish degrees used by some devs. It is also about the FOV provided by the 50-55mm lenses that used to be called "normal" lenses in 35mm film photography. But I wouldn't mind having a bigger screen!
I mostly prefer 50 to 70 FOV in any game / sim and the fish eye effect with things looking smaller on higher FOV doesn't please me usually.
Being on the Samsung Odyssey G9 I feel this is a very difficult one for me to get correct... 🤣
same!
This is very subjective, field of view is 180 degrees, can I read something at the extremes, no but I still have the peripheral vision of its existence. It’s not really something that translates to a 2D screen.
I would argue the correct view point is further out than default not closer in than what you demonstrated, you should be able to quickly glance at the engine parameters without moving your head and back into the pfd. What good is attitude without power.
You should offer a service to remotely tweak our sims/computers to their optimal settings!
Idiots like me would gladly pay for such a service!! Haha!!
have you ever considered trying the sim in VR?
I actually have tried it in VR and even made a vid about it. Performance was horrible. Also I can't record videos in VR so it's not really worth investing the time and energy for me.
@@A330Driver What about eye tracking? I haven't used it, but I wonder if it helps with looking outside, or if it is more awkward at times to look around but still be on a flat monitor
@@TazerXI To me at least head tracking (as eye tracking is just an additional feature of Tobii devices and not used for the movement itself) is really a matter of taste.
Before investing hard money into some tracking device I tried it using the webcam and open source software (OpenTrack).
While head tracking enables smooth movement all along it really felt not natural to me as you keep staring with your eyes on the same spot while moving around your head. At least I did not consider buying some tracking device just because of this.
@@TazerXI The general consensus, I think, is that TrackIR beats eye tracking.
@@Marquuus TrackIR is what I was thinking of when I thought of eye tracking. Looking around irl to see things in the sim.
Do you use a curved monitor?
No, I don’t.
Not clearway you are not working with VR Headset
Please let us know what you thin about the new fenix block 2 feature preview!! It's amazing!
This. Always disliked the extreme zoomed out (and warped) perspective some sim pilots use. I know they do it to have more of the external world visible in single monitor setups/no head tracking, but it just looks so 'off'
Sorry, I generally like your content but in this case, the title is a bit misleading imo. This doesn’t tell us anything about a „most realistic“ fov approach or any scientifically rooted view concept. This basically tells us that depending on the size of our screen we should just adjust the zoom/view to see everything properly and to our liking. Title says „most realistic“, but you close with the hope this makes it „a little bit more realistic“. I was expecting something else tbh…