I am so glad that you have taken up this subject. I have come a long way myself, to understand how much pain the horse puts up with in order to cooperate. And the natural horsemanship movement has in many ways not contributed but even made matters worse, as trainers teach people how to make the horse more obedient instead of looking for the root cause. "Ignorance in a time of information is a choice," says Mel Robbins. Having fun at the expense of another creature is exploitation. So the choice is to stay ignorant in order to not feel guilty? I have been teaching now for over 20 years and I have found that children are very concerned about the welfare of the horse and it is important to foster that and also the love and understanding. Adults however impose their human thinking on the horse: "I am paying for you/the riding lessen so you have to function". Sounds similar to the way many of us have to function at work or in the family doesn't it? Furthermore when it goes to pain I have found some people getting quite aggressive when I tell them "you horse is in pain" and I have found that in many cases it has to do with how we deal with pain in general ourselves, whether it is physical or emotional. So self-compassion is key, then we will all be much more compassionate with the horses too.
I do my best as a rider and owner to prevent and manage pain. My mare and I have a thing where she has a choice to be ridden or not. Most days, even if she is in pain (she’s old and has muscle spasms/unevenness/sensitive back) she chooses to be ridden. I do my best to not ride if she’s off, do stretches, or low jumps at liberty (her favorite).
Always going to the vet bc I find observations my horse isn't right. Some things get solved. Others don't. Problem is getting a diagnosis. Spending thousands and thousands and not getting much help other than shots in the dark. That's the issue that needs addressing.
Yes, we have a long way to go in order for the industry at large, from owners, breeders, vets and farriers, to saddle fitters, bit/bridle fitters and bodyworkers, to be able to adequately care for our horses from a preventative aspect. Learning to collaborate from some kind of evidence and research based protocols should be the way forward for all. We are trying to guide these changes on our education platform at www.equitopiacenter.com
I can't see it 😭How could i know they are lame? Anyone see the signs? The third horse was a lil more obvious for me because he is also stiff but thats it...
you want to know why they don't recognise it? it's because they don't think of the horse as a living breathing being, it's as simple as our way of perceiving other living creatures is nearly always soulless, "other" we don't establish a connection of emotion of physical similarity. It's uncommon to find a horse person that actually does understand their horse, as best a human can that is, or actually cares for their health to the point of sacrificing their own wants. Most horse owners own a horse like a person own's a car, until that way of thinking changes there will continue to be lame horses. Even to people who are in the know it can be easy to gloss over these issues, especially if like they're suggesting around half to maybe all of the horses around you may be slightly lame, meaning you don't actually know what a sound horse look like
Please can I ask what is happening to the horse on the main picture. My horse's hind leg keeps giving out on corners and circles. I've been down the vet route and the vet has diagnosed motor neurone. But it still seems strange to me that he doesn't do it any other time than on a circle or a bend and only in the riding school sand. Im still convinced something else is going on but can't find any other examples of this happening. Thanks!
Horsey people have got to stop percieving thier animals as objects of pleasure and understand they are dealing with sentient beings who feel pain, sorrow, happiness ect. just like we do. A lot of people hide pain too.
My horse drops his left hip at the walk and the saddle shifts left, even without a rider. He is not visibly "lame" . What might a subtle body issue be that would explain this? Thank you
This is a classic sign of an underlying clinical issue. Most lame horses and not labeled as lame unless they are head bobbing. This is not the only sign of lameness but a sign that the underlying issue has gone untreated for so long that it has now become chronic. A thorough lameness work up by a competent and experienced lameness vet is your best bet at finding out what is going on.
@@equitopiacenter8650 Thank you. I will have a more specialized vet look at him. One week ago this horse received IRAP in both stifles for stifle effusions (R>L) and 1/4 dynamic flexion lameness (L>R)!. He drags both hind feet. Historically, this horse (2006 foal) has had three years of consecutive SDFT injuries (2 in RF, one each in LH and RH) from 8/17 - 9/19. He started working again, after rehab, 12/20. He is so talented (PSG in 2017), but he has something always... Any additional thoughts? On a separate note, I am curious how many horses are performing well athletically who actual have these "subtle" lamenesses???
@@jbt1952 Sounds like the underlying problems have not been solved or perhaps there were some deficiencies or behaviors not taking into consideration in training (resistance in movements, open mouth, swishing tail, uneven gait, compensatory patterns etc. some of which you have said are happening with him now). Usually horses with subtle lameness issues give indicators that their is something wrong. Most horses do not perform well with these kind of issues, but then again, sometimes the judging leaves a lot to be desired in terms of evaluating what is being presented:) This is the bulk of the work Dr. Dyson has been trying to explain in her course "Recognizing the 24 Behaviors of Pain in the Ridden Horse".
I am so glad that you have taken up this subject. I have come a long way myself, to understand how much pain the horse puts up with in order to cooperate. And the natural horsemanship movement has in many ways not contributed but even made matters worse, as trainers teach people how to make the horse more obedient instead of looking for the root cause. "Ignorance in a time of information is a choice," says Mel Robbins. Having fun at the expense of another creature is exploitation. So the choice is to stay ignorant in order to not feel guilty? I have been teaching now for over 20 years and I have found that children are very concerned about the welfare of the horse and it is important to foster that and also the love and understanding. Adults however impose their human thinking on the horse: "I am paying for you/the riding lessen so you have to function". Sounds similar to the way many of us have to function at work or in the family doesn't it? Furthermore when it goes to pain I have found some people getting quite aggressive when I tell them "you horse is in pain" and I have found that in many cases it has to do with how we deal with pain in general ourselves, whether it is physical or emotional. So self-compassion is key, then we will all be much more compassionate with the horses too.
Sue Dyson (and her work) is fantastic 👌
they got me on the first question
Thanks for making another one of these!
Everyone wants to ride. Most don’t care to learn anatomy, gait analysis, etc...
100%
I do my best as a rider and owner to prevent and manage pain. My mare and I have a thing where she has a choice to be ridden or not. Most days, even if she is in pain (she’s old and has muscle spasms/unevenness/sensitive back) she chooses to be ridden. I do my best to not ride if she’s off, do stretches, or low jumps at liberty (her favorite).
FYI-Background music at the beginning is too loud. Interferes with hearing the dialogue.
Always going to the vet bc I find observations my horse isn't right. Some things get solved. Others don't.
Problem is getting a diagnosis. Spending thousands and thousands and not getting much help other than shots in the dark. That's the issue that needs addressing.
Yes, we have a long way to go in order for the industry at large, from owners, breeders, vets and farriers, to saddle fitters, bit/bridle fitters and bodyworkers, to be able to adequately care for our horses from a preventative aspect. Learning to collaborate from some kind of evidence and research based protocols should be the way forward for all. We are trying to guide these changes on our education platform at www.equitopiacenter.com
I can't see it 😭How could i know they are lame? Anyone see the signs? The third horse was a lil more obvious for me because he is also stiff but thats it...
you want to know why they don't recognise it? it's because they don't think of the horse as a living breathing being, it's as simple as our way of perceiving other living creatures is nearly always soulless, "other" we don't establish a connection of emotion of physical similarity. It's uncommon to find a horse person that actually does understand their horse, as best a human can that is, or actually cares for their health to the point of sacrificing their own wants. Most horse owners own a horse like a person own's a car, until that way of thinking changes there will continue to be lame horses. Even to people who are in the know it can be easy to gloss over these issues, especially if like they're suggesting around half to maybe all of the horses around you may be slightly lame, meaning you don't actually know what a sound horse look like
Please can I ask what is happening to the horse on the main picture. My horse's hind leg keeps giving out on corners and circles. I've been down the vet route and the vet has diagnosed motor neurone. But it still seems strange to me that he doesn't do it any other time than on a circle or a bend and only in the riding school sand. Im still convinced something else is going on but can't find any other examples of this happening. Thanks!
Could be the knee also
Horsey people have got to stop percieving thier animals as objects of pleasure and understand they are dealing with sentient beings who feel pain, sorrow, happiness ect. just like we do. A lot of people hide pain too.
My horse drops his left hip at the walk and the saddle shifts left, even without a rider. He is not visibly "lame" . What might a subtle body issue be that would explain this? Thank you
This is a classic sign of an underlying clinical issue. Most lame horses and not labeled as lame unless they are head bobbing. This is not the only sign of lameness but a sign that the underlying issue has gone untreated for so long that it has now become chronic. A thorough lameness work up by a competent and experienced lameness vet is your best bet at finding out what is going on.
@@equitopiacenter8650 Thank you. I will have a more specialized vet look at him. One week ago this horse received IRAP in both stifles for stifle effusions (R>L) and 1/4 dynamic flexion lameness (L>R)!. He drags both hind feet. Historically, this horse (2006 foal) has had three years of consecutive SDFT injuries (2 in RF, one each in LH and RH) from 8/17 - 9/19. He started working again, after rehab, 12/20. He is so talented (PSG in 2017), but he has something always... Any additional thoughts?
On a separate note, I am curious how many horses are performing well athletically who actual have these "subtle" lamenesses???
@@jbt1952 Sounds like the underlying problems have not been solved or perhaps there were some deficiencies or behaviors not taking into consideration in training (resistance in movements, open mouth, swishing tail, uneven gait, compensatory patterns etc. some of which you have said are happening with him now). Usually horses with subtle lameness issues give indicators that their is something wrong. Most horses do not perform well with these kind of issues, but then again, sometimes the judging leaves a lot to be desired in terms of evaluating what is being presented:) This is the bulk of the work Dr. Dyson has been trying to explain in her course "Recognizing the 24 Behaviors of Pain in the Ridden Horse".
@@equitopiacenter8650 thank you