Probably and since we know other lands and kingdoms exist beyond Hyrule it wouldn’t be too far fetch to suggest that some inhabitants of Hyrule just simply fled to get away from Ganondorf as far as they could.
Apparently the graveyard boys father goes missing, and the boy gets lost in the lost woods looking for him, and then the kid turns into a skullkid.. I don't know what happened to the mother though lol. Source is a Japanese magazine that interviewed Yoshiaka Koizumi. It was translated to english like a year ago by a channel called " Looygi Bros. ", who frequents OOT facts. I can reply the title of the vid to search on YT if someone wants.
The way the soldier talks about his knowledge of ghosts being useful one day makes it sound like he knew what was coming. Maybe he had already turned his coat long before Link began his quest.
I think he simply adored chaos, maybe tired of the monotone life of a royal soldier. I would even venture to say he dabbled in magic and sorceries by the time Zelda went into hiding and Hyrule fell, giving him an extra edge during the collapse, and feels thankful to Ganondorf for unintentionally making the world more akin his own vision. I mean, if he was working under Ganondorf, why would he even help you? _Even Ingo did more than him to try to stop you._
You have 11 dead souls to account for, and 10 big poes to collect as Adult Link. Where's the 11th one? In the Gerudo Wasteland, leading Adult Link to the Spirit Temple.
I'm not sure about the wasteland guide. Can you access that area in the past? If so, the sign introducing it might also be there to prove its existence.
My headcanon as a kid was that the lady in the yellow and blue dress is actually a disguised Gerudo. Not much evidence, but one of the Gossip Stones mentions that Gerudo women will sometimes go to Castle Town looking for boyfriends. I ran around with the Gerudo Mask looking for any interesting reactions and the yellow/blue dress lady comments something along the lines of finding it funny/charming to see Link wearing it. That and the fact that she's "dancing" right across from a man in town made me think that she was one of the aforementioned single Gerudos in town. I like to think she's alive somewhere in Gerudo Fortress in the future.
In an April 1999 interview with Ocarina of Time’s development staff, 64Dream Magazine actually asked what happened to Graveyard Boy. Yoshiaki Koizumi tells us that, unfortunately, 5 years after he encounters Link (which would make the boy 8 years old, apparently) he chooses to investigate the disappearance of his father. This leads him to the Lost Woods, where Koizumi states the boy transformed into a Skull Kid, and once Link encountered him, the boy simply attacked Link due to Skull Kids’ infamous distrust for adults.
@@dedbatt8869 Tôru Ôsawa was also present during the interview. He was Ocarina of Time's script designer and director. While it's all possible that the information could have been made up on the spot, it's still worth considering seeing as the man who wrote the game's story was among the developers present and was answering lore-based questions as well. (What happened to Grog, if Ruto's mother is alive, what the Poe Sisters' story is, why the Kokiri are present outside of the forest, whether or not there are female Gorons and how the Gerudo reproduce were all touched upon in the interview.)
I'm fairly certain that's what you're supposed to understand. The square full of people are still there, just not the way they were before. Just because you can't account for all of them doesn't mean you should ignore the obvious parallel.
@@kurenian Makes sense. There's a lot of being cursed into a monstous form in this game. The Stalfoses and Stalbabies (NoA: Stalchildren) are Hylians. And the Stalkids (NoA: Skull Kids) are Kokiries. And the rich family in Kakariko village became Staltulas (NoA: Skulltulas). I think ReDeads are Hylians that died and were brought back as zombie-like monsters. The Stal-type monsters seems to be...from living Hylians and Kokiries? They LOOK dead, and maybe they are, but if so, they probably became that when they died. Unlike dying normally and then being revived.
That Ganon had accomplices in his effort is an old detail that was coherent with A Link to the Past, where it says that once his "band of thieves" reached the Sacred Realm, he vanquished his own followers and, "with blood-stained hands," grasped the Triforce. Helps to explain why there's no love between him and the remaining Gerudo in the future I think. I wonder if some of them were traitorous Hylians as well, promised a share in the power that they would never actually see.
Regarding the "Ganondorf's men" bit, that was indeed a translation choice. It is meant to convey that Ganondorf had something of a corps supporting his coup attempt, but the Japanese does not specifically indicate they were male. It just means he had a force of accomplices
I interpret "men" in this case to just be a catch-all term for everything and everyone fighting for ganondorf. This includes a whole lot of monsters, some gerudo soldiers, and maybe even some traitorous hylians we simply did not see. Ingo likely wasn't the only hylian trying to gain favor with ganon
Men is gender neutral when used as a general term, that's why you can say "you guys" to a bunch of women and it will still be okay. That's why you can call a woman a "repairmam". A lot of people didn't pay attention to English class.
I’ve always found the celebration at the ranch so eerie. Obviously the game has a limited amount of models, but it still feels so… empty. It really gives off the impression that these few dozen people are all that’s left after only seven years under Gannon.
About the whole “Ganondorf’s men’ thing that starts at about 8:00 - “Men” could be a reference to the soldiers and armaments not the actual sex or gender of the people participating. People usually refer to how many men are on their side when talking about war which is exactly what’s about to start here.
9:15 Either way, there was definitely a band of Gerudo who remained loyal to Nabooru and opposed Ganondorf the whole time, so we can just assume the Hylians are mature enough to know that the entire race isn't their enemy
Only for so long. Some of the Gerudo in the child timeline eventually attack Hyrule in retaliation for their imprisonment of Ganondorf, resulting in their entire race getting genocided.
I'm just saying... Gerudo only account for 13% of the population, but 80% of the crime and villainy. At some point you have to realize it really is just that they're naturally like that.
I always thought the redeads were the missing people. It kind of makes sense, plus they are usually found where the dead reside. I don't really think that Ganondorf would invade with an army of slow moving redeads.
It's also important to note that those Redead will crowd around any that you kill, almost as if they're mourning those that "die," though they could also be planning to eat the dead ones, hard to really say, but the former makes more sense since they just stand and stare.
the soldier who mentions Ganon's "men" could also just be using "men" to refer to Ganon's soldiers in general and not meaning to imply male soldiers specifically.
As a fellow Dutchie, I couldn't help but snicker at you saying "Screw the monarchy" while showing a picture of Willem Alexander and Maxima. Love your videos man! Groetjes!
6:00(ish) - my headcanon says that Returning to Childhood puts you at the same point in the timeline as the ZeldaEscape cutscene (where she tosses you the Ocarina)...by pulling the Sword, you allow time to move forward, and Ganondorf continues his attack after losing Impa's horse...but by putting the Sword back, time reverses to where Ganondorf is still chasing the fleeing princess and her protector... there's only a few minutes' window, if anything, between "pre-Swordpull Child" and "Returned Child", as the Market NPCs still talk about 'that white horse' after putting the Master Sword back, but theres One NPC who is only available BEFORE you pull the Sword for the first time (but after seeing the OoT Cutscene)-- the Back Alley Guard that dies after speaking to Link...he obviously isnt anywhere in the Adult version of Hyrule, but his corpse is also cleared out when going back to the Child era... so thats what ive got-- placing the Master Sword back in its Pedestal returns Link to a point in time where Ganondorf has Started his attack (perhaps already taking the King's life, now focusing on the king's Bloodline)...trying to visit Zelda in her Courtyard is now impossible, as theyve added 'guaranteed-catch' guards to the area where the Crawlspace leads to, but also because Zelda is no longer in her Courtyard to meet-- she's fleeing on Impa's horse, trying to shake Ganondorf so she can become Sheik... ...meanwhile, Link's playing the Treasure Shop game, with the Lens of Truth he found after playing a song he hadnt learned yet from the guy he taught it to...wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey whatever...
Please make more vids. These get me through work when I pop an earbud in. Makes it so much more enjoyable. Could listen to you theorize this series all day
“It's true you don't see many Goron-women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for Goron-men, and this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Goron-women, and that Gorons just spring out of holes in the ground! Which is, of course, ridiculous.”
I'd say the remaining people of Castle Town are indeed alive because the blob of people that's in front of the tent in Castle Town was used three times during the party cutscene, which means there were three blobs of unidentified people in the party when there was only one in Castle Town. Those other two blobs of unidentified people could be the remaining survivors of Castle Town that are still in Hyrule, just all in the same place instead of being separated
Ocarina has always stood out to me as a powerful coming of age story. The change to Castle Town is a harrowing example. The world of adults that seemed so idyllic is reduced to ash and misery when we exit the proverbial Temple of Time.
Consistently blown away by the production value of your videos, not to mention how much i love the topics you choose to cover! And the jewelry on top of all this, absolutely my favourite youtube channel to support. Always looking forward to another upload!
So fun fact, there was an interview with the OOT devs in Japan shortly after it's release (in a magazine called 64Dream, similar to Nintendo Power) where they were asked a bunch of questions with regards to some of the game's side-lore. And one of the questions that came up was what happened to the Graveyard Kid during the 7-year-gap and why he wasn't present in the "Adult era." So about 5 years after Link pulled the Master Sword, the kid's father (presumably the Death Mountain Trail guard) went missing in the Lost Woods and the Graveyard Kid went there to look for him but got lost and became a Skull Kid (which further disprove the "Graveyard Kid = Poe Collector" theory). And they further insinuated that he may have been one of the Skull Kids that attacked Adult Link in the Lost Woods (fun fact: they are also "killable" at this point so it is actually possible to actually "kill" this kid when he's apparently a Skull Kid o_O ). This also seems to imply that his father becomes a Stalfos and might actually be one of the Stalfos fought (and killed) in the Forest Temple. Apparently, in that same interview, it was stated that after the Carpenter's son becomes a Stalfos, he goes to live in the Forest Temple. (Maybe, since the cucco-chasing little girl seems to be friends with the graveyard kid, she joined him to help search for his father, and similarly also became a Skull Kid...maybe the 2 Skull Kids we see in the Lost Woods on the double-tree stump are them...:O ...Yeah a bit of headcanon on my part, but fun to speculate. ) Pretty dark indeed, especially considering it's entirely possible we killed both of them (though what happens to his mother goes unanswered...maybe she eventually just sadly passed away, having lost the will to live, losing both her son and her husband). Also, fun fact: when Death Mountain erupts after defeating Volvagia, there is a brief cutscene showing this from the view of Kakariko Village (namely from the perspective of the man sitting on one of the rooftops). Now, if you managed to hack the game and look around the village while this is going on, there are various npcs present in the village just chilling there, that aren't actually there when Link ever goes there, and aren't even seen at the end of the game at the Lon Lon Ranch celebration. Search the "Ghosts in Kakariko Village" video. Creepy stuff indeed
I wonder if the father went to the forest temple to find Link? No one would have known he went to the temple of time and the forest temple must of had some importance to the royal family. With the Forest Temple being corrupt I can see it calling Stalfos to it.
The Forest temple DOES look like it used to be the kind of place that would have a weapons cache in it, almost like a stronghold against invading forces. It would make some sense for the soldier to know about it, without knowing it's true purpose.
I hold onto a pet theory that we DO get to see the battle for Hyrule, albeit in a very different place. I like to think that Raoru's timeline in TotK is a retelling of the events of OoT, but instead of the hero, we get Zelda coming all the way back from the Calamity. The scene where Gannondorf swears allegiance to Raoru is almost shot-for-shot a dead ringer for the scene you see from the garden, but from a different perspective. Making the invasion of Hyrule in TotK the very same invasion that ruins Hyrule in OoT.
It makes sense that the actual Gerudo tribe didn't participate in the attack on Hyrule Castle, considering Nabooru's and other Gerudo reactions to Link showing up at the fortress. They don't seem to be on very good terms with him, to say the least... Edit: waiting for the alternate version of this game -- The Legend of Zelda: Glockarina of Time
I always assumed the redeads in the castle town were the missing civilians, and anyone else who wasn’t seen again was clearly killed in the destruction of hyrule castle. Possible executions were implemented to keep everyone in check. Oot was a dark mature game especially with the bloody torture racks under the well and shadow temple
The visuals of this video are mindblowing 🤯It's like you're living in the games by first person... it's just so good that I hope the video never ends! I'll never be tired to say that i love your big talented work, it is so clear that you have a great vision and attention to details. Really well done!
I've been dying to see someone cover this topic! If you're also very familiar with Ocarina of Time, the explanation of the "missing persons cases" starts at 10:10 :)
UA-cam's recommendations brought me here. First video I've seen from you and it's pretty darn good. The production value is great, the pacing is smooth, and the attention to detail is spot-on. Subbed. :) That end bit... XD
your videos about the NPCs are always a treat. also how come it's my first time knowing you sell merch just now? man they look great! props to your fiancée.
Love the thumbnail. I always found Ocarina of Time's Ganondorf to be the most epic and menacing of them all, and does look like the one guy you don't want to mess with.
Man those gun Edits for Ganondorf (that first one look likes a whole new model was used) had my LOL each time. Very nice work there. I don't have anything to add to the tropic, I mostly agree with what ya stated.
Ik youre joking but wouldn't Ganondorf just have unloaded his AK47 on Link the same way he did during his takeover of hyrule? Just imagine Ganondorf pulling up his AK and going "Didnt have to use this bad girl for 7 whole years... till now" and just fucking shoots Link
In April 1999, JP magazine 64 Dream did an OoT interview and specifically brought up the graveyard kid. Rough translation from Reddit: Q: Where did the little stalker in the graveyard go when you were in your [adult] time? Koizumi: Five years later, when he was eight years old, he wandered into the Lost Woods in search of his missing father and got lost. At that time, he became a Skull Kid. Skull Kids don’t talk to adults, so when he encountered adult Link, he just attacked him and didn't ask him what happened to him.
I absolutely love Gunondorf! I actually came up with that name while watching the video, and I'm glad to see that you have given him the same moniker 😂
Glad to see Monster Maze upload after TOTK it seems like a lot of the Zelda UA-camrs went quiet so I’m always happy to see an upload from some my favorites
I also wanna know what the text says in the original Japanese. When you argue over minute grammar such as this then making sure you're reading the original language correctly is paramount.
@@JJAB91 It says 私はガノンドロフの追っ手を食い止めていたのだが… the part translated "Ganondorf's men" being ガノンドロフの (Ganondorf's) 追っ手 ("otte", in this context "followers" or "posse"). "Ganondorf's women" unfortunately might connote something very different than "Ganondorf's men," so I actually think the translators did fine here... it sounds like how a soldier would refer to an armed group accompanying a leader. They could have said "soldiers," maybe, but "men" makes it sound less official to me, while not sounding as silly as "posse" or as vague as "followers."
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who remembers being terrified about leaving the temple of time after you get the master sword. I, to this day, remember being scared to even take a step into hyrule town😅
0:46 it confused me when i first entered castle town as adult Link, as the town was lively like it is as child, but when i left and re entered, it was infested by redeads, i assume this is a glitch from cartridge misalignment rather than an intended mechanic, but technically the same thing intentionally happens as child with Malon (enter the castle yard area, then go back into castle town, then go back into the castle yard, only then does Malon appear)
2:10 it didn't get to me very much. I'd played Final Fantasy 6, after all. If you think OOT is bad, yikes. Its so much worse in Final Fantasy 6. And unlike OoT, you can't go back in time to see the way it was. You can't change it. That's just how the world is from now on,
In my head canon, the ReDeads lingering in the Castle Town square are some of those missing residents. Even before Harry Potter was a thing, I suspected they, at least the Castle Town ones, were created from living people in a similar fashion to Inferi. I still think that's the case.
Gotta be honest, I didn’t expect much from today except for sporadic texts from relatives and a good steak dinner. A new Monster Maze upload, and one that discusses the game that defined my childhood, was NOT the birthday present I expected!
there is one major thing that speaks against people dying in Kakariko, the amount of graves only went up by 1 which is dampé which means the people who have died all became casualties. The others made it to other regions of hyrule, most likely regions we don't see in OOT or even left hyrule. As Twilight princess suggests there's many regions that are not directly accessible but they do exist.
I heard something about the graveyard boy's dad going missing during the war between Hyrule and Ganon and that 5 years after Link pulls the sword the graveyard boy goes to the lost woods and tries to find him and instead gets lost turning into a skull kid
I found out that Koume is pronounced koh-OO-mehy, matching koh-TAH-kehy. Spelling them in my head as Ko-také and Ko-umé helps. Their names mean Little Bamboo and Little Plum. Cutesy names for witches, but they come from a Japanese novel with twin witches. Maybe they weren't evil, tho.
Grim indeed, especially since the cucco-chasing little girl was my favorite resident npc of Castle Town, and being the lone child fatality is such a sad end to her.
For me the biggest mystery would be Dorf's army: we see literally none of it and I doubt the total amount of Gerudo would be enough for a war. Yes, he did create/conjure/enslave loads of monsters, but you pointed out others refer to men as well. I guess it would have been too much to program.
Just a heads up - and this doesn't really take anything away from the video from what I can see, but after the game's events, Link goes back to before Ganondorf's betrayal. So when you see him talk to Zelda in the end scene, it's to keep everything from even starting. So there wouldn't really have been any ramifications for anyone being around after the game during the celebration with regards to the battle, because it never happens.
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Have great week everyone!
Also, give it up for Gunondorf 👉
Where/how did you get that map at 2:24? It looks cool af.
I *_really_* don't know how to respond to Gunondorf. You got a laugh, though.
@@n1nj4l1nk Oh yeah! I should probably put a link to that in the description. Thanks for reminding me ^^
@@MonsterMazenice, thanks for the update.
I just went and checked it out and I love the style of it.
As one of the biggest fans of Ganondorf in the entire community, I give my seal of approval to Gunondorf! 🤘
I feel like the fact that the graveyard boy's entire family disappeared suggests that they all fled Hyrule together.
Probably and since we know other lands and kingdoms exist beyond Hyrule it wouldn’t be too far fetch to suggest that some inhabitants of Hyrule just simply fled to get away from Ganondorf as far as they could.
I think the evidence supports that hypothesis, although it’s certainly not conclusive.
Apparently the graveyard boys father goes missing, and the boy gets lost in the lost woods looking for him, and then the kid turns into a skullkid.. I don't know what happened to the mother though lol. Source is a Japanese magazine that interviewed Yoshiaka Koizumi. It was translated to english like a year ago by a channel called " Looygi Bros. ", who frequents OOT facts. I can reply the title of the vid to search on YT if someone wants.
AWW NO WAY CZ, love your videos bro, glad to see you enjoy good games as well as movies 😂🤘🏻
I'm more surprised to see CZ here on a Zelda video, but now I want them both collaborating on a spooky Zelda theory for spooky season
The way the soldier talks about his knowledge of ghosts being useful one day makes it sound like he knew what was coming. Maybe he had already turned his coat long before Link began his quest.
Nabooru does mention to Link that Ganondorf had "followers" who served him. Could that guard be one of such followers?
Underrated comment.
Well, somebody had to lower the drawbridge to let Ganondorf escape with Zelda-
@@simonjiha3434 Impa..
Impa escaped with Zelda..
Ganondorf was giving chase...
Till he saw Link.
I think he simply adored chaos, maybe tired of the monotone life of a royal soldier. I would even venture to say he dabbled in magic and sorceries by the time Zelda went into hiding and Hyrule fell, giving him an extra edge during the collapse, and feels thankful to Ganondorf for unintentionally making the world more akin his own vision.
I mean, if he was working under Ganondorf, why would he even help you? _Even Ingo did more than him to try to stop you._
You have 11 dead souls to account for, and 10 big poes to collect as Adult Link. Where's the 11th one? In the Gerudo Wasteland, leading Adult Link to the Spirit Temple.
OOOOOOFFF that hit
Why go there though? You would expect the Big Poe to hang out alongside it's brethren in Hyrule Field.
Considering they only appear while on horseback, they might exist before the takeover.
I'm not sure about the wasteland guide. Can you access that area in the past? If so, the sign introducing it might also be there to prove its existence.
@@tvb5509 the sign is there in the past too, its possible to get there in the past if you know how to run the path in reverse
My headcanon as a kid was that the lady in the yellow and blue dress is actually a disguised Gerudo. Not much evidence, but one of the Gossip Stones mentions that Gerudo women will sometimes go to Castle Town looking for boyfriends. I ran around with the Gerudo Mask looking for any interesting reactions and the yellow/blue dress lady comments something along the lines of finding it funny/charming to see Link wearing it. That and the fact that she's "dancing" right across from a man in town made me think that she was one of the aforementioned single Gerudos in town. I like to think she's alive somewhere in Gerudo Fortress in the future.
Nice story line
that's a nice interpretation, but i think it's there to reference to Talon's wife and all the other bits that points to Malon having a Gerudo mother.
In an April 1999 interview with Ocarina of Time’s development staff, 64Dream Magazine actually asked what happened to Graveyard Boy. Yoshiaki Koizumi tells us that, unfortunately, 5 years after he encounters Link (which would make the boy 8 years old, apparently) he chooses to investigate the disappearance of his father. This leads him to the Lost Woods, where Koizumi states the boy transformed into a Skull Kid, and once Link encountered him, the boy simply attacked Link due to Skull Kids’ infamous distrust for adults.
Do you think they had details like this for all the characters but didn’t include it all, he could’ve made this up on the spot
@@dedbatt8869 Tôru Ôsawa was also present during the interview. He was Ocarina of Time's script designer and director. While it's all possible that the information could have been made up on the spot, it's still worth considering seeing as the man who wrote the game's story was among the developers present and was answering lore-based questions as well.
(What happened to Grog, if Ruto's mother is alive, what the Poe Sisters' story is, why the Kokiri are present outside of the forest, whether or not there are female Gorons and how the Gerudo reproduce were all touched upon in the interview.)
Where did you find this interview?
@@Roonifer Yes tell us please! Tell us everything you know about those last few things you’ve mentioned.
@@Roonifer I am curious what the answers to those are.
I’m continually amazed by OOT being able to tell its story in the 90s.
Also I always thought as a kid that the missing ppl became the redeads.
I'm fairly certain that's what you're supposed to understand. The square full of people are still there, just not the way they were before. Just because you can't account for all of them doesn't mean you should ignore the obvious parallel.
@@kurenian Makes sense. There's a lot of being cursed into a monstous form in this game. The Stalfoses and Stalbabies (NoA: Stalchildren) are Hylians. And the Stalkids (NoA: Skull Kids) are Kokiries. And the rich family in Kakariko village became Staltulas (NoA: Skulltulas).
I think ReDeads are Hylians that died and were brought back as zombie-like monsters. The Stal-type monsters seems to be...from living Hylians and Kokiries? They LOOK dead, and maybe they are, but if so, they probably became that when they died. Unlike dying normally and then being revived.
I misread that as redheads 😭
1:11 "Especially when you realize not everyone made it out alive."
*cheerful music playing in the background*
That Ganon had accomplices in his effort is an old detail that was coherent with A Link to the Past, where it says that once his "band of thieves" reached the Sacred Realm, he vanquished his own followers and, "with blood-stained hands," grasped the Triforce. Helps to explain why there's no love between him and the remaining Gerudo in the future I think. I wonder if some of them were traitorous Hylians as well, promised a share in the power that they would never actually see.
Regarding the "Ganondorf's men" bit, that was indeed a translation choice. It is meant to convey that Ganondorf had something of a corps supporting his coup attempt, but the Japanese does not specifically indicate they were male. It just means he had a force of accomplices
Yeah, I see it as his monsters are his “men.”
I think it’s just a royal “men”, as in his underlings or allies. “Men” isn’t always gender exclusive, it just depends on the context.
Men is just a general group term in this case.
I interpret "men" in this case to just be a catch-all term for everything and everyone fighting for ganondorf. This includes a whole lot of monsters, some gerudo soldiers, and maybe even some traitorous hylians we simply did not see. Ingo likely wasn't the only hylian trying to gain favor with ganon
Men is gender neutral when used as a general term, that's why you can say "you guys" to a bunch of women and it will still be okay. That's why you can call a woman a "repairmam".
A lot of people didn't pay attention to English class.
I’ve always found the celebration at the ranch so eerie. Obviously the game has a limited amount of models, but it still feels so… empty. It really gives off the impression that these few dozen people are all that’s left after only seven years under Gannon.
I was like "NOOOOO RICHARD" and then you said he most likely lived a long and happy pupper life
when you watch closely at 12:28 you can see his stuffed corpse on the left 😭😭😭
Damn my mind went to Sekiro 😂
You attempting to "age up" the graveyard kid gave me a chuckle, lol.
About the whole “Ganondorf’s men’ thing that starts at about 8:00 - “Men” could be a reference to the soldiers and armaments not the actual sex or gender of the people participating. People usually refer to how many men are on their side when talking about war which is exactly what’s about to start here.
In an old interview it was said that the graveyard boy wandered into the lost woods and became a skull kid...
9:15 Either way, there was definitely a band of Gerudo who remained loyal to Nabooru and opposed Ganondorf the whole time, so we can just assume the Hylians are mature enough to know that the entire race isn't their enemy
Only for so long. Some of the Gerudo in the child timeline eventually attack Hyrule in retaliation for their imprisonment of Ganondorf, resulting in their entire race getting genocided.
Huh? This never happens lol@@SupremeCaptainHWD
I'm just saying... Gerudo only account for 13% of the population, but 80% of the crime and villainy. At some point you have to realize it really is just that they're naturally like that.
I always thought the redeads were the missing people. It kind of makes sense, plus they are usually found where the dead reside. I don't really think that Ganondorf would invade with an army of slow moving redeads.
It's also important to note that those Redead will crowd around any that you kill, almost as if they're mourning those that "die," though they could also be planning to eat the dead ones, hard to really say, but the former makes more sense since they just stand and stare.
the soldier who mentions Ganon's "men" could also just be using "men" to refer to Ganon's soldiers in general and not meaning to imply male soldiers specifically.
Ganon’s yaoi harem is now canon I guess 🤷♂️
As a fellow Dutchie, I couldn't help but snicker at you saying "Screw the monarchy" while showing a picture of Willem Alexander and Maxima.
Love your videos man! Groetjes!
Came here to say just that.
Same!
Haha, ook echt die foto erbij 😂😂
6:00(ish) - my headcanon says that Returning to Childhood puts you at the same point in the timeline as the ZeldaEscape cutscene (where she tosses you the Ocarina)...by pulling the Sword, you allow time to move forward, and Ganondorf continues his attack after losing Impa's horse...but by putting the Sword back, time reverses to where Ganondorf is still chasing the fleeing princess and her protector...
there's only a few minutes' window, if anything, between "pre-Swordpull Child" and "Returned Child", as the Market NPCs still talk about 'that white horse' after putting the Master Sword back, but theres One NPC who is only available BEFORE you pull the Sword for the first time (but after seeing the OoT Cutscene)-- the Back Alley Guard that dies after speaking to Link...he obviously isnt anywhere in the Adult version of Hyrule, but his corpse is also cleared out when going back to the Child era...
so thats what ive got-- placing the Master Sword back in its Pedestal returns Link to a point in time where Ganondorf has Started his attack (perhaps already taking the King's life, now focusing on the king's Bloodline)...trying to visit Zelda in her Courtyard is now impossible, as theyve added 'guaranteed-catch' guards to the area where the Crawlspace leads to, but also because Zelda is no longer in her Courtyard to meet-- she's fleeing on Impa's horse, trying to shake Ganondorf so she can become Sheik...
...meanwhile, Link's playing the Treasure Shop game, with the Lens of Truth he found after playing a song he hadnt learned yet from the guy he taught it to...wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey whatever...
Please make more vids. These get me through work when I pop an earbud in. Makes it so much more enjoyable. Could listen to you theorize this series all day
I’m awaiting for the spin off of Mario with a Shotgun: Ganondorf with an AKM
10:23 “because most of the other races look exactly the same” sounds like something my grandpa would say
Oh man... I knew I would catch flak for this haha
@@MonsterMaze Joking obv! (Not about my grandpa) great vid
“It's true you don't see many Goron-women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for Goron-men, and this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no Goron-women, and that Gorons just spring out of holes in the ground! Which is, of course, ridiculous.”
@@TransformersBoss where is that from? Also I'm pretty sure that the gorons are a single gender race.
@@RobbWes it’s repurposed dialogue from Gimli, son of Gloin, in The Two Towers
Ive always stood by the idea that it depends on the timeline for some of the npcs, particularly the graveyard boy and his family.
I'd say the remaining people of Castle Town are indeed alive because the blob of people that's in front of the tent in Castle Town was used three times during the party cutscene, which means there were three blobs of unidentified people in the party when there was only one in Castle Town. Those other two blobs of unidentified people could be the remaining survivors of Castle Town that are still in Hyrule, just all in the same place instead of being separated
Nitpick, there is 3 soldiers at Kakariko Village, one is up by Impa's house.
Don's back! And the Gunondorf was one of the best WTF jokes I've seen from a ZeldaTube type in a long time. :)
They all died DON... ALL OF THEM 😭
YeeeeEEEeep! All dead
Ocarina has always stood out to me as a powerful coming of age story. The change to Castle Town is a harrowing example. The world of adults that seemed so idyllic is reduced to ash and misery when we exit the proverbial Temple of Time.
Consistently blown away by the production value of your videos, not to mention how much i love the topics you choose to cover!
And the jewelry on top of all this, absolutely my favourite youtube channel to support. Always looking forward to another upload!
I thought the boy and his father went to the Lost Woods and got... lost?
So fun fact, there was an interview with the OOT devs in Japan shortly after it's release (in a magazine called 64Dream, similar to Nintendo Power) where they were asked a bunch of questions with regards to some of the game's side-lore. And one of the questions that came up was what happened to the Graveyard Kid during the 7-year-gap and why he wasn't present in the "Adult era."
So about 5 years after Link pulled the Master Sword, the kid's father (presumably the Death Mountain Trail guard) went missing in the Lost Woods and the Graveyard Kid went there to look for him but got lost and became a Skull Kid (which further disprove the "Graveyard Kid = Poe Collector" theory). And they further insinuated that he may have been one of the Skull Kids that attacked Adult Link in the Lost Woods (fun fact: they are also "killable" at this point so it is actually possible to actually "kill" this kid when he's apparently a Skull Kid o_O ). This also seems to imply that his father becomes a Stalfos and might actually be one of the Stalfos fought (and killed) in the Forest Temple. Apparently, in that same interview, it was stated that after the Carpenter's son becomes a Stalfos, he goes to live in the Forest Temple. (Maybe, since the cucco-chasing little girl seems to be friends with the graveyard kid, she joined him to help search for his father, and similarly also became a Skull Kid...maybe the 2 Skull Kids we see in the Lost Woods on the double-tree stump are them...:O ...Yeah a bit of headcanon on my part, but fun to speculate. )
Pretty dark indeed, especially considering it's entirely possible we killed both of them (though what happens to his mother goes unanswered...maybe she eventually just sadly passed away, having lost the will to live, losing both her son and her husband).
Also, fun fact: when Death Mountain erupts after defeating Volvagia, there is a brief cutscene showing this from the view of Kakariko Village (namely from the perspective of the man sitting on one of the rooftops). Now, if you managed to hack the game and look around the village while this is going on, there are various npcs present in the village just chilling there, that aren't actually there when Link ever goes there, and aren't even seen at the end of the game at the Lon Lon Ranch celebration. Search the "Ghosts in Kakariko Village" video. Creepy stuff indeed
Source?
@@boigeorge1149Google is your friend. Look up Graveyard kid 64 dream interview. Not that hard to find
I wonder if the father went to the forest temple to find Link? No one would have known he went to the temple of time and the forest temple must of had some importance to the royal family. With the Forest Temple being corrupt I can see it calling Stalfos to it.
@@boigeorge1149 their Dad works at Nintendo
The Forest temple DOES look like it used to be the kind of place that would have a weapons cache in it, almost like a stronghold against invading forces. It would make some sense for the soldier to know about it, without knowing it's true purpose.
I hold onto a pet theory that we DO get to see the battle for Hyrule, albeit in a very different place.
I like to think that Raoru's timeline in TotK is a retelling of the events of OoT, but instead of the hero, we get Zelda coming all the way back from the Calamity.
The scene where Gannondorf swears allegiance to Raoru is almost shot-for-shot a dead ringer for the scene you see from the garden, but from a different perspective.
Making the invasion of Hyrule in TotK the very same invasion that ruins Hyrule in OoT.
I think the ReDeads are definitely connected to some of the missing characters.
It makes sense that the actual Gerudo tribe didn't participate in the attack on Hyrule Castle, considering Nabooru's and other Gerudo reactions to Link showing up at the fortress. They don't seem to be on very good terms with him, to say the least...
Edit: waiting for the alternate version of this game -- The Legend of Zelda: Glockarina of Time
I always assumed the redeads in the castle town were the missing civilians, and anyone else who wasn’t seen again was clearly killed in the destruction of hyrule castle. Possible executions were implemented to keep everyone in check. Oot was a dark mature game especially with the bloody torture racks under the well and shadow temple
love how in-depth you go in all of these videos, thank you
The visuals of this video are mindblowing 🤯It's like you're living in the games by first person... it's just so good that I hope the video never ends! I'll never be tired to say that i love your big talented work, it is so clear that you have a great vision and attention to details. Really well done!
That visual of ganondorf wielding a gun is just way too funny.
I had nightmares about redeads for YEARS
You made my day... was wondering when the next video would be released!
wonderful attention to detail and video editing as always
I think you have such a great narrator voice! Like Morgan Freeman. Always love your vids!! That jewelry is really cool, too. I'm gonna check it out.
This type of video is incredibly well produced, good job! Can you make one about Wind Waker?
Love your videos about these older titles man, always fun to revisit them and their intricacies. Can’t wait to watch!
It’s so cool how supportive your partner is of your channel. Talented too!
Must of missed when you showed your wife's stuff the first time. They look incredible. Perfect Christmas gifts for a few people in my life!
Dude, I adore the little animations you put in your videos. They really elevate the videos themselves to a whole other level, it's awesome!
I've been dying to see someone cover this topic!
If you're also very familiar with Ocarina of Time, the explanation of the "missing persons cases" starts at 10:10 :)
UA-cam's recommendations brought me here.
First video I've seen from you and it's pretty darn good.
The production value is great, the pacing is smooth, and the attention to detail is spot-on.
Subbed. :)
That end bit... XD
your videos about the NPCs are always a treat. also how come it's my first time knowing you sell merch just now? man they look great! props to your fiancée.
Love the thumbnail. I always found Ocarina of Time's Ganondorf to be the most epic and menacing of them all, and does look like the one guy you don't want to mess with.
Man those gun Edits for Ganondorf (that first one look likes a whole new model was used) had my LOL each time. Very nice work there. I don't have anything to add to the tropic, I mostly agree with what ya stated.
really glad to see your work recommended on my feed yet again. lov your videos.
Love the original animations you threw in. The Goldeneye AK sound made me laugh.
I love the idea that the triforce of power is actually just an AK-47 and everyone else is using medieval weapons
Ik youre joking but wouldn't Ganondorf just have unloaded his AK47 on Link the same way he did during his takeover of hyrule?
Just imagine Ganondorf pulling up his AK and going "Didnt have to use this bad girl for 7 whole years... till now" and just fucking shoots Link
In April 1999, JP magazine 64 Dream did an OoT interview and specifically brought up the graveyard kid. Rough translation from Reddit:
Q: Where did the little stalker in the graveyard go when you were in your [adult] time?
Koizumi: Five years later, when he was eight years old, he wandered into the Lost Woods in search of his missing father and got lost. At that time, he became a Skull Kid. Skull Kids don’t talk to adults, so when he encountered adult Link, he just attacked him and didn't ask him what happened to him.
i do remember this and being sad about it, man this game was dark af.
Your zelda 64 theory videos are my favorite in all of UA-cam...and im pretty sure ive watched every single one haha
Very nice video! I never really thought about all those NPCs… I hope graveyard kid is still alive. Also, Gunondorf! 😂
I always thought the Poe Collector was the kid with the stick in the graveyard.
What a fantastic idea. It's like a mix of true crime and Zelda. Great video idea and execution!
Ganon with the AK kills me every time laughing 😂😂😂 I just can imagine him ditching magic and pulling out an AK
Gunondorf goes crazy
Content: Talking about people who disappeared and may have died during Ganondorf's takeover of Hyrule
Music: Happy upbeat New Donk City theme
I love these kind of theories, I like the depth you went in for this .
You "heartless bastard!" LOL
I think this is a pretty good analysis of this. Well done.
This is the best game ever. Great video thanks
I absolutely love Gunondorf! I actually came up with that name while watching the video, and I'm glad to see that you have given him the same moniker 😂
Glad to see Monster Maze upload after TOTK it seems like a lot of the Zelda UA-camrs went quiet so I’m always happy to see an upload from some my favorites
Maybe Ganondorf’s “men” could be referring to iron knuckles?
I also wanna know what the text says in the original Japanese. When you argue over minute grammar such as this then making sure you're reading the original language correctly is paramount.
@@JJAB91 It says 私はガノンドロフの追っ手を食い止めていたのだが… the part translated "Ganondorf's men" being ガノンドロフの (Ganondorf's) 追っ手 ("otte", in this context "followers" or "posse"). "Ganondorf's women" unfortunately might connote something very different than "Ganondorf's men," so I actually think the translators did fine here... it sounds like how a soldier would refer to an armed group accompanying a leader. They could have said "soldiers," maybe, but "men" makes it sound less official to me, while not sounding as silly as "posse" or as vague as "followers."
I really enjoyed this video- thank you for this!
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who remembers being terrified about leaving the temple of time after you get the master sword. I, to this day, remember being scared to even take a step into hyrule town😅
0:46 it confused me when i first entered castle town as adult Link, as the town was lively like it is as child, but when i left and re entered, it was infested by redeads, i assume this is a glitch from cartridge misalignment rather than an intended mechanic, but technically the same thing intentionally happens as child with Malon (enter the castle yard area, then go back into castle town, then go back into the castle yard, only then does Malon appear)
Its school break and I woke up sick and feeling shit and open up youtube to see a new MonsterMaze video just dropped.
Life is good
2:10 it didn't get to me very much. I'd played Final Fantasy 6, after all. If you think OOT is bad, yikes. Its so much worse in Final Fantasy 6. And unlike OoT, you can't go back in time to see the way it was. You can't change it. That's just how the world is from now on,
This video has stuck in my head, that ganondorf is always hiding in AK in his pocket
In my head canon, the ReDeads lingering in the Castle Town square are some of those missing residents. Even before Harry Potter was a thing, I suspected they, at least the Castle Town ones, were created from living people in a similar fashion to Inferi. I still think that's the case.
I'm rewatching this masterpiece and thanks
I love the Poe collector, he’s hilarious. I always love characters who seem like they’d be scary but are actually funny.
Gotta be honest, I didn’t expect much from today except for sporadic texts from relatives and a good steak dinner. A new Monster Maze upload, and one that discusses the game that defined my childhood, was NOT the birthday present I expected!
Ah good steak is always nice tho! Also, happy bday ^^ 🎂
Thank you
Happy birthday 🎉
They're hanging out with Aria in the great Unicorn Fountain in the sky,
Ganondorf with a gun is just so funny
I had been to long since I’ve watch one of these videos, and god damn I miss them. Love you Monster Maze, thank you
there is one major thing that speaks against people dying in Kakariko, the amount of graves only went up by 1 which is dampé which means the people who have died all became casualties. The others made it to other regions of hyrule, most likely regions we don't see in OOT or even left hyrule. As Twilight princess suggests there's many regions that are not directly accessible but they do exist.
I heard something about the graveyard boy's dad going missing during the war between Hyrule and Ganon and that 5 years after Link pulls the sword the graveyard boy goes to the lost woods and tries to find him and instead gets lost turning into a skull kid
Great video, i love when ppl use generally accepted theorys like the poe sales men one in theyr theory videos
I think you summed it up very well. It is a shame so many people are presumed dead, but at least a few of them were most likely old age.
I found out that Koume is pronounced koh-OO-mehy, matching koh-TAH-kehy. Spelling them in my head as Ko-také and Ko-umé helps. Their names mean Little Bamboo and Little Plum. Cutesy names for witches, but they come from a Japanese novel with twin witches. Maybe they weren't evil, tho.
I love the added animations.
I'd like to think that the knight ran away with his wife and son...
Any Zelda Lore / Theories & I'm fully invested
Grim indeed, especially since the cucco-chasing little girl was my favorite resident npc of Castle Town, and being the lone child fatality is such a sad end to her.
For me the biggest mystery would be Dorf's army: we see literally none of it and I doubt the total amount of Gerudo would be enough for a war. Yes, he did create/conjure/enslave loads of monsters, but you pointed out others refer to men as well. I guess it would have been too much to program.
I'd assume "men" was really just supposed to encompass every follower, servant, and slave under Ganondorf's command and control.
6:48 it didnt end well for Gannodorfs men either as only he made it past him. Heres to the bravest hyrlulain soldier in that era
I love that Monster Maze's videos are all in essay format 🤣
Imagine having a s.o. who supports you in your job
That's wonderful =)
that thumbnail goes unbelievably hard
Just a heads up - and this doesn't really take anything away from the video from what I can see, but after the game's events, Link goes back to before Ganondorf's betrayal. So when you see him talk to Zelda in the end scene, it's to keep everything from even starting. So there wouldn't really have been any ramifications for anyone being around after the game during the celebration with regards to the battle, because it never happens.
the old refugee living in Kakariko may be a Sheikah, that's why he lives longer.
a game takin place in those lost 7yrs would be peak 😤