i ve been playin fps games for more than 20 years on mnk (being admin on dedicated servers and actually deciding from gameplay if players are cheating or not ) and i can honestly say its the first time i cant be sure in wz3 .. its crazy my man...
@@leyterispap6775 dude lol i remember thinking that exact thing being an admin on cs we would have perma banned to all these aimassist aimbotters since warzone 2020
Especially in MW2 they put mechanics into play that made it harder to aim and which where basically reduced/countered by aim assist. So on top of the overpowered AA, they made MnK actively worse to play with. These mechanics are: High visual recoil --> gets countered by aim assist Bouncy shot to shot recoil patterns --> gets countered by aim assist High left/right reticle shift while strafing --> gets reduced significantly by aim assist (source TrueGameData video) and so on... As an MnK player you where always at a disadvantage, because the guns felt like crap to shoot, while controller players basically got carried by aim assist. Kinda unfair...
Another thing to that aim assist counters is aim punch/flinch when shot with a sniper rifle, i cant count how many times i've been fighting a sniper using a controller ill hit them while they're aiming at me and their scope jumps all the way up to the sky them the aim assist inhumanly pulls their aim right back on to me.
Close combat is almost impossible as a KBM player on Warzone, it tracks far too accurately and just ruins the experience as its just unfair, as a KBM player I now only play mid-long range.
As a keyboard and mouse player, the biggest problem I have is tracking my target due to the visual recoil. The aim assist doing that tracking for me would take all of the challenge away from getting better.
One thing I rarely see mentioned is the players using controller have better bullet registry. When you have aim assist, similar to having an aimbot, all the shots you fire are going to register on your target. Where as with a mouse you can move the crosshair a fraction away from the targets center and the bullet no longer counts.
Magnetic bullets due to aimbot assist, better hit reg is definitely a thing on controller but I wouldn't say its all the time. Also you need to consider sbmm manipulating real time game parameters.
@@prelude2pain I also have noticed watching killcams and being a spectator over some players that someone of them can shoot not even nearly close to the hitbox and they still hit. Is it some bug of killcams or cheats or some other aa feature we still don't know about?
As a m&k player I have to avoid getting into fights under 30 meters because that is prime distance for aim assist and for clearing buildings I use shotguns
You must have fun in the gulag then like me 😂😂😂 I have started taking the rope out these days because if I am spotted I am locked onto and dead, even by total bots.
As a mouse and keyboard player I keep my engagements more to the mid to long range. Up close MnK's are at a HUGE disadvantage. I"ve spent hours in shipment working on movement and CQB. It helps but I understand my limitations. Also, because of aim assist, many controller players set their guns up different. As a MnK player, an optic is very important. I wonder what my gun setups would look like if I could dedicate that attachment to recoil assist attachments.
I never could get used to playing a shooter with a controller. Even with the aim assist. I was so happy when they actually added the ability to hook up a mouse and keyboard on call of duty for playstation.
@@nubbyfresh5623 - I tried using a controller and it was always counterintuitive for me. I built my first PC in 2000. We played Deus Ex and Max Payne. Windows NT was a really big deal. What a time to be alive. LOL
Mainly pc player here recently got an Xbox x to cover while I upgrade the ageing pc, I personally disagree I struggling using a controller on cod find it way easier on pc with k&m I haven't yet plugged k&m into the Xbox as I can't be bothered moving it all
CoDs aim assist has the same problem as CoDs SBMM, its ABSOLUTELY necessary but implemented in such absurdly extreme way that it creates an entirely new problem
@@Brad-lt2recontroller is perfectly fine without aim assist, controller players just need to develop actual tracking skills instead of relying on instant reaction aimbot, when i saw how absurd AA was in MW2 i made the switch to MNK, there was no way i could make a good play in that game and say it was because i played better
@@merc9nineI don't agree with this. You should be able to play on what input you feel most comfortable. It just needs to be toned down or give half of what controllers get to mnk. This makes a bigger skill gap to
@@LRXKODEC I agree that you should be able to play on whatever device you feel most comfortable with, because it's now a preference, not a requirement based on your gaming platform. So since it's now a choice and not a limitation based on your system, one choice shouldn't get a free soft aimbot. You should play in controller with no aimbot like I used to do in every CoD before MW2
Something compounding the aim assist problem is the format of Battle Royale games. If you want to win a game of Warzone, sooner or later you will have to fight people at close range, where aim assist is more advantageous. (Also, there are no long-range gulags, etc.)
Great video and appreciate the measured and pragmatic views, I myself am a lifelong KBM player and have been finding it harder and harder to stick with COD/WZ these past few years due to the shifting balance of aim assist. It really does seem that since OG Warzone it has been getting stronger and stronger to the point where I change my whole playstyle to try and counter it. There is clearly a problem and it needs to be addressed. Nice work once again!
The problem is crossplay. It's a money grubbing solution to a problem nobody can even prove existed. Crossplay should have been limited to consoles at best. PC shouldn't have to deal with controller players. Ever. I built my computers to use mouse and keyboard. Not a cheap piece of plastic with thumb sticks that has built in aimbot software.
@@elimgarak1127 why is it so hard for people like you to understand that the problem is not crossplay and is not consoles. Everybody on PC is using controllers now so removing crossplay fixes nothing.
I think this video was very well said and you had me agreeing in on pretty much every thing. One thing that seems to plague me as a mostly mouse and key player is when I use my stim and zig zag around players with AA. Their AA reacts way too quickly to sudden movement while a M&K player would have to make the millisecond adjustment themselves. It just makes me really frustrated when I am 100+ meters away and they don't miss a shot even when making sudden movements.
i love doing that, stimming and running around them trying to dodge shots just for fun but the aimbot level aimassist often ruins it either you get tracked and insta killed or you screw their aimbot up lol
@@user-lz5vh9bb5w I used to play on K&M and switched to controller a year ago since my hands started hurting with K&M, needless to say I do think Controller needs aim assist since it’s almost impossible to aim without aim assist on controller(on cod) unless your a waaay above average player , which most people simple aren’t
@@Orange_Oranje I agree that controllers need some form av aim assist to even be relevant against K/M. I also agree that controllers need to be available as a legitimate option for those who may need them. The problem I see is that in for example newer Call of Duty games, the aim assist is so extremely overtuned that it's actually far superior for most people compared to K/M. If you actually learn how to use the aim assist (there's an actual strafing technique to it), then you can achieve extreme results. It's an extremely unfair advantage. The reason it's unfair is because the advantage does not come from skill but from an allowed cheat. Can a K/M pro overcome this advantage? Of course, but for 99% of people, the aim assist will win if used properly. The main issue with it is the rotational aim assist, that it follows the target automatically. There's no reason to get good at the game when any one can beat any one as long as they learn the simple technique. It is cheating.
recently decided to give a controller a go, last time I used one was on Playstation 1, so it's been a while. remembering buttons and what buttons, do what , was the main issue I had. The first engagement I got in I was shocked, I knew all the stories about aim assist, but thought it's probably a little exaggerated, they weren't at all, despite the fact I was effectively new to it, I destroyed 2 players rapidly with very little input from myself. I honestly think it's broken, I won't go back to m&K for warzone, eventually I might put a plate on instead of throwing a grenade, but that doesn't matter when you have an aim assist
@@starc. why would you choose to play M&K when there are so many issues now with reticule movement, close combat being out of the question if you are against controller. it's crazy how strong aim assist is, you would be a fool not to use it
@@dane4265 because its an fps game, why would anyone play an aim game with a joystick lol thats like saying i rather play racing games with a keyboard instead of a racing wheel
I used to be obsessed with the previous games as a MnK player. I barely play it now because it just doesn't feel fair. My skill built over time and I started winning in situations I'd have usually lost. This felt rewarding. Now I'm losing close range fights, which will happen eventually every game, because some coding took over. It's not about skill any more.
Yup.. basically If I don't have "the better gun" it's impossible to win a cqc fight. Sometimes even if I get to fire first I might still lose. Controllers can't miss.
15 years of MnK experience here. Recently tried out controller for Warzone specifically. Now, I'm not a professional player by any means, and I average 10 kills per game (on KBM). First few games playing on controller I had bursts of laughing on how overpowered it is. It's not even close and whoever says it's not OP is in denial. I am NOT good with a stick but AA does the rest. Very noticeable on pistol fights right when you drop. I've been dropping 20+ kills most of my games now. K/D went from 1.43 to 2.06 on Resurgence. There are so many issues with these but i'm going to just state a few that people haven't already mentioned: -AA close range makes it so that whoever has the faster killing gun wins. Hence the "META" aspect of Warzone is so prevalent. If neither me or the enemy misses a shot, whoever has the faster killing gun wins. Reduce AA and you will also reduce the amount of meta slaves, i'm sure. -SBMM is much more punishing for MnK players. Having a bad day on MnK while in sweaty lobbies as well feels downright depressing. On controller, even if I'm not 10 redbulls deep I can still compete due to AA. -Lots of people will move towards apps such as reWASD, me included. I bought this game to have fun, and MnK is my preferred input. If I can level the playing field using some software(actual hacks excluded), I will. After all, I'm leveraging what is already in the game and broken. Not using AA is gimping to a huge degree. Consider it my way of protesting AA. As soon as AA is nerfed, people will stop using such software for these purposes. Easy. You also mentioned that reducing aim assist by @30% would check more boxes, specifically helping lower skilled players as well. Not once in the discussion have I heard anything related to helping MnK players who are struggling. Not every MnK player is a God, and there ARE people with disabilities that play on MnK that are screwed over even more by AA. Thing is, MnK is a raw input, and people who suck will suck no matter what. But they have no crutches, and have miserable experiences. Not so much with controller players. There are 3 possible fixes for this: -Remove rotational all together. To compensate, make it so that the aiming speed matches the enemy player when on controller. You will still have to move your stick reactively to what they are doing, but it will help tracking. -Give MnK players a small degree of rotational aim assist that has a very low effective range, to only help in close range encounters, maybe up to 20m. -Input based matchmaking. Harsh, but it is what it is. Fixes every single problem, and as long as it's a toggleable feature I don't see how it could hurt.(besides higher queue times, but that would force lower SBMM as well)
MK'er here, its brutal. Id say out of 100 people, my skill would rank around the top 30-35%, yet I win maybe 1 out of 5 close combats fights in WZ3... and thats usually with me getting the first shots off as well.
Pretty nice to hear that from someone that actually plays a lot on controller. I think implementing a "human like" delay for the tracking would work. A more extreme approach would be either scaling the strength of aim assist according to your sbmm "rank" or make it mandatory for the tracking to actually activate you at least have to aim in the general direction of the emy. So that whenever you are slidecanceling left and right the enemy at least has to move the stick left and right for the rotational tracking to actually activate. But these are just the dreams of a 41 years old dad who played FPS games since Counterstrike 0.51 that is just tired of watching killcams of closerange gunfights where you sweat your ass off by sliding/bunnyhopping only to see the obviously way worse player still track you pefectly and then kill you. GHreetings from Germany and hope you have a nice new years eve.
The reason for rotational AA being a thing is because it takes more time for a joystick to go from left to right (has to go though centre first) than for a mouse to change direction. This makes sense to do but the problem is the AA reaction time is instant while the mouse player has that human reaction delay to deal with.
i know that aa to some degree is 100% necessary for controller players to keep up with mkb. BUT to implement it in a way that you bascially dont have to touch your right stick at all after centering on the enemy is still way too powerful. the reaction time is another issue but for me the best implementation would be a) make it necessary for the player to at least aim his right stick in the general direction of where the enemy moves to keep the tracking active or b) scale it down the better the player becomes. everyone in this game has some kind of hidden sbmm "ranking" about his skill level. just tone aa down the higher you get. @@Flux000
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came upon this video after having same problems on MnK. As someone who have played through all versions of warzone I can tell for sure that it getting harder to win close range 1v1s with each new version of the game. Just trying to play as a sniper and dont enter buildings lol
I've used K&M for 25 plus year now playing FPS games, I've lost all ability to use a joystick for FPS games. Fair play for pointing out these issues. I've noticed that "guy not tracking you but killing you" thing god knows how many times. I had no idea how strong aim assist was for joystick players. At least I know I'm better than my stats say 😄. I still won't switch though 💪
Controller play is a slug. Stick to m&k and enjoy knowing that when you track, flick and hit your shots it’s you doing that and not soft aimbot aka aim assist. The players with inflated egos in CoD are living in a state delusion & majority couldn’t track a 40 foot Dinosaur moving at .25 meter per second across their screens without this crutch.
@@SOLO-py4xv has happened to "pros" several times. Imagine what it would be like for casual players. AA off turns "pros" into complete noobs. How many times I have heard: "oh nooo my AA is not working aaaaa"
Ever since i was a kid I've loved FPS on PC, specially the UT games where you had crazy movements but accurate weapons that required you to have actual good aim on your mouse. I also loved COD while growing up, but wasn't a console kid so i never got the controller shooting experience, nor did I care for it either. I love COD, but i also love MnK because that's just simply the way I learn to play games; amd I don't mind that games give you a little help to compensate for the tiny stick on a controller, but when that help becomes an incredibly strong advantage that even bores me out of my favorite game because it feels unfair, then what's the point of playing anyway. I'm all for crossplay, I'm all for crossinput, but make it feel fair, otherwise what's even the point of cross play
I'm not sure why controller players have such a hard time admitting some of the points you mention in this video. I play mixed input and I can say that nothing you said was untrue.
What people need to understand is, that aim assist, especially auto rotational aim assist, has been introduced for one fundamental reason: Marketing. Activision is a multi-billion dollar company, within their marketing teams are business-psychologists who know exactly how a human will respond to certain types of dopamine stimuli. Roughly 90% of Warzone players are using a controller, which gives an obvious reason why AA is so tremendously strong. They want to make people believe they’re good. They are giving people moments of success. They are making people have dopamine rushes. They are essentially subconsciously leading you to buy items from the shop. This is the entire reason for why AA is op. CoD is not a game anymore, it is not a competitive environment anymore. It is a money making machine, sort of like a casino disguised as a first person shooter. Activision doesn’t care about their players. Activision doesn’t care about the quality of the game - As long as it does what is expected of it: Generate profit. They will not nerf AA, because if they were to do that, they would loose a significant amount of controller players, which in return would mean less profit at the end of the game’s life cycle. People need to wake up and finally realize that all we are to Activsion is a wallet that is waiting to spend some bills. Nothing more, nothing less.
very well put video. been mnk for 20 years and there is no way im switching because AA is too strong, doesnt make sense to learn new input from grounds up solely for AA reasons. its not about adaptation anymore, its about integrity and admitting that it does indeed need to be balanced better. the sooner it gets dealt with the better. i've been cs 1.6 admin too on non steam pub servers i've seen all of it, and im just mindblown how is this possible in fps games, every single above average player controller gameplay looks the same, it mimics aimbot on micro level, and the worst thing they are so prideful and egoistical its ridiculous
100% man. AA is insane right now. Its completely unfair for MKB players. It looks identical to CS aim bot. Like it even glitches the screen and snaps to the person the second they press the ADS button as long as they are looking in the direction of a player, even if the crosshair is no where near the enemy.
Another extremely well delivered video. I myself made the jump from console to pc in the last year, but still use controller. Ive started to focus on improving and I fully agree with what you are saying about aim assist overall, especially rotational.Tweeks to aim assist amounts and possibly some tweeks to sbmm would improve the experience for a vast amount of players, weather casual or competitive. Strong aim assist and fast TTK is having the opposite effect of what the developers were probably going for.
Thats the problem, COD only gives a illusion of a skill gap, activision still forces these games to be casual no matter what, thats why aim assist exists in the state its in, so kids and 40 year olds with no online gaming experience can keep up
A lot of the people that want to claim "oh my game doesn't have aim assist like that" simply don't understand or can't get the hang of how to utilize that aim assist properly. Myself being one of them. As a PlayStation player I feel like I'm one of the few weirdos that actually made the switch from controller to mouse and keyboard. I just never could actually get the hang of playing shooters of any game on a controller and personally do better on mouse and keyboard. But God damn it sometimes when you're sliding through a hallway and you get killed and watch the killcam it does slightly infuriate me to watch the aim assist kick in when somebody actually knows how to use it.
I agree that rotational aim assist needs to be reduced somewhat. I think that would be a fair change. The arguments I hate seeing from M&K players are that aim assist is legal aimbot and aim assist must be removed entirely. Just my observation, but I think because M&K has historically been considered the more competitive input, many M&K players feel more pain when getting killed by controller players. As if there is no reason controller players should be able to best them. These weird arguments are a result of that I believe. The fact is that generally, controllers do need some form of aim assist. There's a reason its ubiquitous in the shooter space. I also believe that it is much easier to be precise on M&K. It generally is superior in most situations to controller, both in long and close ranges. It's rare to see the type of flicks and long range control that many PC players perform regularly, on a controller. But yes, I think COD may have gone a little too far with it's aim assist, but the type of reactions I see from M&K players are comical
@@iskabin I disagree, it is much easier to track targets with a mouse at distance. The only time I'd say aim assist has an advantage is in extreme close range as it pertains to tracking
it's been consistant and PROVEN that aim assist works like a legal aimbot, many clips are there with people testing it in a controlled environment. 1) there is some auto recoil control helping the player to stay on target easily while some meta guns have already no recoil at all 2) rotational AA instantly track a target within it's FOV in no time which clearly outmatches human reaction time 3) testers like Hecksmith shows aim assist can lock and stick hard to the target with even dropshot being followed by AA which refutes Tacbrit's argument about dropshots stopping AA while it still track a bit even if it's way less sticky 4) SBMM improves AA for low end players so they get a massive advantage against stronger players there are reasons why they did this : 1. To shrink any possible skill gap. 2. To safeguard the experiences of average and lesser-skilled players (majority of the player base). 3. To stimulate longer session times among the majority of players, thus increasing the profitability of the player base. 4. To mask when server-side meddling kicks in to influence the outcome of a battle when 'needed'. All popular titles have their own mix of techniques to achieve this; competitive integrity is dead, and has been for quite some years now. If your AA isn't that sticky or you claim your aim assist don't do that and not close to a legal aimbot, that's because you DIDN'T watch the 100000 tutorials to improve/tune it because yes, it's customisable and there are some settings to use for it to work like soft aimbot. If aim assist wasn't this strong, there wouldn't be so much people making the switch and dropping 10-15 their 1st matches while they never played controller before. overall, most M&K players claiming aim assist is legal aimbot are FACTUALS and some of these claims are the product of RESEARCHS.
Try by your own. Don't come here and tell what a bunch of streamers did. Make your own trials and then make your own opinion. Yes, cod 3 has insane aim assist, but isn't not aimbot. It needs to be nerf, mainly the aim assist when you are sliding next to an enemy. In that case I think it did be reduced 70%
The other issue is _why_ aim assist has got this strong in COD, and I think a lot of that is the movement system. Way back in COD 2 or whatever you didn’t have sprinting, let alone sliding and diving and back button jumping, and so it simply didn’t need as much aim assist. Players moved more predictably, it was easier to track them on a pad. Slowly, that’s gone away and it’s become a very dynamic, frantic game. You see it a lot this year where people slide past each other before a gunfight starts.
The issue thee days is this is not cod anymore, when you have a game where you jump slide first before shooting your gun thats a major problem and its really cringe..
@@jce3086 movement is meaningless and nullified with such aimbot level of aimassist so whats an fps game if moving dont matter and it aims for you just sit there and watch a movie
I used to play on controller until I switched to m&k about a year ago, so I play both to about the same level. One thing that I've also noticed is that when playing on controller, SBMM is very fair when pairing you with players of your same gaming level. On the other hand, when playing on m&k, you get paired with higher skilled players. It's like the unfairness comes right from the game design and it's against m&k players.
@@xjerk526 thats nuts... M&K are already disadvantaged since 2020 they turned up aimassist to aimbot levels but then they punish players even more ....
I would love to see aim assist get a slight nerf, mainly the rotational aim assist more than anything. This coming from a controller player.. also call of duty could experiment with controller only lobbies and K&M only lobbies. If that can be possible
Split inputs and I’m all for zero AA. I came from PUBG console where there is zero AA, but if you allow controller and K&M in the same lobbies then you will never find a balance. COD leans their AA to benefit controller over K&M as that is their core player base. This will never change because it would affect their top line.
Ive have the feeling aim assist help people tracking enemies in cases of stuns, through smoke or even walls. I just wish that does not happen anymore, or at least in a lesser amount when speaking about the stun/smokes.
Pisses me off to no end when I see these bronze to gold level absolute bots hitting every shot with no skill required. They can barely even control their character properly but as soon as the aa locks on they’re not missing. I have close to 10k hours on kbm, have extensively aim trained and usually sit in the top 10-15% of any scenario I play on kovaaks, yet I can get shat on consistently by a gold warzone player because the game aims for them. And it’s hilarious that these people have no idea how strong their aim assistance is, they are in the highest form of denial.
Up close is like a cheat code. You don't even need to bother if the player is going left, right, down, up or jump. The aim assist is gonna track for you perfectly with 0 ms reaction time... i m curios when you change the game and realise that you are a potato... in this curent state even my dead dog can track up close perfectly...
Warzone Tracking is insane. I play PC and use KBM. It makes warzone just not fun anymore. When you watch the playback and it tracks and they don't miss a single shot as a kbm player If I miss 1 or 2 shots with a submachinegun I will be dead 10/10 times thanks to tracking from rotational aim assist. When playing a competetive game the premise should be to play the game for a length of time and getting better during the time you play it. Not having the game track for you and get you free kills you otherwise would not get. I refuse to use controller because of aim assist. I believe it is just softcore cheating allowed by Warzone.
MnK and controller aim assist will never be balanced against each other. They should not be used together in competitive settings. Im MnK and i have never wanted crossplay and think players should be separated by input device to make the fairest possible environment.
In my opinion rotational aim assist just needs a small delay before reacting to direction changes to simulate human reaction time. The instant reaction to direction changes (zig zag, jumpshot etc) is what makes it so good. Reacting to sudden direction changes is the hardest thing to do well for mouse players - because of the reaction time factor
There is no instant reacton, all types of aim assist are just annoying slw downs that ruin your aim, not help it. If aim assist wrked how you claim how do you explain 99% of the playerbase still missing their shots and being hilarious. Things YOU are claiming would allow any player to be a pro lmao
@CrownRoyaL2.0 there are literally videos online of aim assist doing exactly as he is saying. It's controller plebs not wanting to admit how much of the heavy lif8nt aim assist does.
@@nubbyfresh5623 Not so much my guy. They do need aim assist. It's not even a contest when they don't have it. But claiming shot like Joewoe dropping 40 without aim assist. Forgetting all the kills look like aim assist stuck on the players. The guy is a fucking cheat. I've watched other top teir controller players turn it off and play like dogshit. Uploaded suggesting that earthworm Jim looking mother fucker can aim like thay without aim assist when at LAN even with Aim assist on the prick can't do more than 6 and that's going full camp. Controllers need aim assist but yes you're correct in that alot of those plebs think they have skill when the software is doing ALOT of the work for them. Meanwhile those controller doofuses perfectly tracking from left to right all the way across the map and KMB players running out of mouse pad on the first 200 on the compass. Ita a fucking joke I'd love to see how they would go having topics up their controller and move it back to center or the left side of their body before they could continue aiming. Little things they take for granted because they know nothing about how much ithe helps. Imagine the outcry if Activision goes tomorrow ok we'll give mouse rotational aim assist but only for when you have to reposition mouse.. If it does nothing why have it at all OT why not give it to MKB players I ask. Well get no coherent answer.. I suppose much like my comment
Yes - 100,000%. Nobody complained about AA implementation in WZ1. Activision purposefully allows terrible players to aim like Shroud by holding L2 which makes them feel good, while also living in their own layer of SBMM. Between AA and SBMM, it's like everybody is being hypnotized into believing they're cracked, since they're quite literally playing in their own world.
@@grrinc I'm talking about other players. Personally, I'm a 4.20KD mouse player, Crimson ranked WZ2 - played against Sperros, Raraman, Blue, Metaphor within one day of solos. Try again.
@@grrinc he sounds like he has to Google pictures of grass every so often so he doesnt forget its colour 😂 imagine being this narcissist! Absolutely sad af
I played pro in unreal tournament. If you had aim assist you would be banned. I do see the skill in a lot of the controller players but the gun fights they would lose easily if they had no aim assist. I was always told if your aim sucks then put in the time to get better.
Ive learned kbm over the last year and my aim is already miles better than using my thumbs ever was. That being said, I can tell instantly in close quarters when I lose to AA like I never had a chance. I refuse to go back to controller in this game because Im having more fun on kbm and I can tell Im improving over time but aim assist definitely needs to be adjusted
You're videos have consistently been built on sound analysis, many thanks. While I (as a controller player) think only really rotational aim assist needs a nerf, I appreciate your well rounded and based take on this issue. Out of all the noise on this topic, this video should be at the top of the stack for the devs to see.
In the Deathcam you're always see them controller plebs with their autoaim, it always aims at the center of your body. Literally always. Such a pain the ass getting killed by a noob only cause of OP Aim Assist.
the visual recoil is the most important point imo. so often, it is near on impossible to track anything on MnK, not to mention when we take a gunfight in a dark area
This is why I run shotguns as a MnK player; doesn't matter if they can track me easier close up. As long as I tag them a couple of times they're dead no matter what; I generally prefer long ranges anyway and always prioritise good positioning over getting kills so aim assist doesn't bother me as much. I don't like the idea of disabling cross play though; all my friends play on console with controller so removing cross play would just result in me not playing cod at all.
- Remove randomness / extra sway from aiming. Affects M/K since no AA - Adjust AA CQ fights with pistols m/k vs pad are the worst. Only way for m/k to counter AA in my opinion is to just try to use hipfire builds or shotguns :D
I'm honestly just tired of not knowing if I got aimbotted or he's got aim assist, not being able do to close quarter fights, needing to build guns different for visibility. I'm at 1.85K/D as a MnK player right now (which is fairly decent, I'd say?), but I've always got my tinfoil hat on looking at the outrageous killcams with the dumbest desync known to mankind, feeling this game is working against me. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a top 0.1% player, but i've been playing fps for roughly 20 years of my life. I'm good at fps. And I hate how much I enjoyed the game before because I can't fucking quit.
Get rid of rotational tracking and just keep the slowdown like it used to be, like you get with the Precision aim assist setting. But its very rare to see people using that setting because I suppose people don't want to nerf themselves. The rotational tracking can be a curse in the right scenario when dealing with multiple targets, it can somewhat soil itself and ultimately pull your aim off your target. I'd rather my character was only moving and aiming based on my own inputs and i'd rather that was the default for all cod players too
Agree with your take. I would also add in Multiplayer, controller players don't have to build their guns for recoil control as much as KBM due to AA locking on. That's a pretty unfair advantage when you can focus on ads and sprint out.
Aim assist should be available for M&K players too, I agree with most of your statements but the bigger indicator that today M&K is a disavantage is that every streamer plays on control no matter what, and TBH it is more that the Aim assits, if you add SBMM that matches you agains people in your skill plus extra recoil and bullet disprecion and in the top of that super strong aim assist ... there is no way that M&K compite, it is incredible how trash I am when playing Warzone for exmaple, not able to win a gun fight, every time I die it feels like is just not right, then I fo back to BF1 or old CoDs and it just feels right again even when I am trash at the game
as a hybrid player my main issue is that i can just move my left stick a little and it will move left or right for me. Where as it should only move and assist providing im turning the correct way, so there's manual movement for it to be effective. Making hitting strafing targets more fair compared to MnK. Also to mention, this will not ruin the lower skilled players as SBMM is so strong nothing will change for them, it will however create a much larger gap between the 1.5kd and 3kd players.
Aim Assist is about engagement not balance these days. At this point the only option is to give MKB a form of RAA because pandora's box has been opened and controller players simply don't want to go back. We've seen the noise the controller player base make when they've tried to adjust it in the past. The other option is to go nuclear, bleed players for a few months and then when they realize there's nothing else to play, they'll be back.
The only reason, why aim assist is so strong, that everyone can feel great, because everyone can get kills(, they normaly wouldn't have gotten). Als consoles are way cheaper than a proper gaming pc and a default controller is also cheaper than a mouse and or keyboard. Accordingly most kids/ teens, which is the majority of players and the target group, can't play on a decent pc. So if little Timmy has an awesome experience by also getting some kills, which he normaly wouldn't without a strong aim assist, he's gonna buy some skins in the shop with mom's credit card and Activision has achieved all they wanted: Getting more money. Aim assist, like it is in the new era of shooters, is a pain in the ass and destroys any form of skill expression unfortunatley. Game is catered to controller players to the max, for example insane muzzle flash and high visual recoil as mention in the video. Sadly I also think, that mkb is dying in shooter games, which is so ridiculous to me, because it's the far superior input device.
I play K&M, I played plunder recently, and 1 guy was taking out my team and me like flies, I spectated him, had WAP 9mm, beast of a gun, no recoil, no nothing, we managed to take him out and I grabbed his loadout, to try the beast of a gun…20 years experience of playing K&M and I couldn’t control that gun, I was shooting anywhere but straight, the recoil was awful…doesn’t matter how to customise you loadout, controller players will never have the aiming and controlling problem, for controller any gun is meta
I just want to BE ABLE TO disable crossplay. No way in hell is PC vs CONSOLE a fair fight, ever. Console players don't think M&K on PC is unfair, we think PC is unfair in general. The most obvious thing being readily available hacks on PC for dirt cheap, PC players run 4x the FPS & rendering distance, DS4 for macros, tuned audio buffers, overlays and can select region/servers at will and thats only the surface level stuff. Hearing PC gamers cry about a kid on xbox getting 40 FPS @ 1080p getting "aim assist" while playing on a $6,000 gaming pc running 200 FPS @ 4k running 120FOV it makes me laugh hysterically 😂
Yea yea whatever it's a game designed for the new consoles not for a relic. Next gen console have on average the same or more fps than a pc player. You mistake the average player with a streamer that has a 4090 that costs 2400euros. Also if you look at the numbers 120 fps vs 160 for example have 2ms diference if that's what's killing you you are bot period. You are whinning for 0.001% of players with a good pc 🤣🤣
I played MnK for 95% of WZ1 and some of WZ2, I have now played on controller for ~ 8 months and its actually night and day. Mouse input felt so much smoother on MW2019 its all gone downhill from there tbh regardless of aim assist, sad
I really appreciate your input and this video. I play most shooters on mouse and keyboard and call of duty is really the only one where it seems like gunfights feel very unfair. I don't see this changing, but it is still nice to listen to. Hope you have a great rest of the week
FUCKING THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I get beat by dog water players and THE SECOND I die and aim assist no longer recognizes me, you see their aim sweep away in the direction that they were ACTUALLY aiming..... Not right at my head every single shot.
Its not my fault that some people decide to play with a suboptimal controlling device... and aim shouldnt be "balanced", weapons must be balanced, aim its just the player's skill.... im not playing warzone again.
I'd be open to adding a small delay to AA where the tracking assist doesn't automatically change the exact moment their target changes direction which can carry the controller user in a fight. It could be something like a 90-150 millisecond delay so it's JUST enough for directional changes to outmaneuver aim assist by escaping the invisible circle where it's active, but not enough of a delay where it becomes completely useless and AA is being broken consistently by movement
yeah 100% this is one of my biggest problems with AA. They hold a corner or door and if you ran thru they tracking starts with 0 ms reaction time, so even if you have the fastest gun setup and fly thru that door it will still react and track you instantly
Yeah I’d like to disable cross play as well. But I actually made the switch to K/M on console because aim assist being so strong made it hard for me to track fast moving targets parachuting in especially with snipers. It’s so sticky that you can’t lead a target appropriately. But now I realize I traded that advantage for several massive controller advantages. Specifically up close, I just get absolutely rinsed because I actually have to see who I’m shooting at in dark areas or rooms filled with smoke. It’s BS.
For normal MP, Crossplay is good for keeping the community big on older CoDs. If you only play Warzone casually crossplay is totally fine. The moment you try to make Warzone something competitive crossplay should be yeeted out the window. The problem for me is I like to try my best when I play these games but I just got way to frustrated in Warzone 1.0 when you see people just apparalty tracking that one dot on your chest perfectly without any recoil whatsoever in killcams. Havent really played the last Warzones much because of that.
As a dual input player I been saying this for a while now... but I'm met with, "get good", "Stop crying", "Aim Assist is Fine"... It's fine for others cause they lack the skill and enjoy the aim bot... just admit it.
I play both, and it's glaringly obvious that RAA wins me more gunfights. It's especially noticeable in warzone because of the armour. As you say, it needs turning down to a level that equates its response to the average human response time. Then, the playing field would be at least as level as can be. As for the cheating, we'll that's entirely on Activision and their persistent failure to deal with it in the first place on verdansk. It went on too long, and suspicion is now the default choice, couple that with the crap servers and the amount of odd deaths due to super bullets and lag, and the assumption is everyone is cheating.
this is one of the best, if not the best video about this topic! I can play both inputs at a very good level and the point you bring up at 7:40 is exactly what I'm saying as well. I'd hope for future games the AA will be reduced again to provide a higher skill gap again, then add the option for input based matchmaking. the main argument for overtuned AA is that people can't compete against MnK players, if we had input based MM this argument would be invalid.
It's so true. For me, as a mouse and key player playing on gaming laptop some fights are very unpredictable as I have 60fps at most. I play few times a week since wz1 and never was the best in close range fights, but now I'm changing my playstyle and avoiding close range fights as much as I can.
As a console player and using a controller, AIM Assit is def OP. They need to nerf it a bit in this game. I do agree that it's time to end crossplay between consoles and PC. The cheating is getting out of hand (esp on Caldera) and the anti cheating mechanism can't keep up with new cheats.
Well to be honest from a casual player who's a controller player and don't seem to get much aim assist at all and don't melt no one lol maybe I'm that bad then ?
by reducing aim assist as a nerf in this game not only it will be beneficial for mnk player but it will also encourage controller players to put more time into practicing aiming on their own and not relieing on machine to kill a person, as of now in close quarter fights its pretty much not debatable to compare inputs,and for the people who type you can 180 or whatever person who is behind you its 0.0001% of the time that u can utilize that mechanic in this game
Lifelong controller player here. It's a massive issue for players of all input types. There is no such thing as bad aim anymore inside of, say, 20m. Every player in every decent lobby hits every shot,. The practical TTK is ridiculously high even though the theoretical is in a decent place. Nerf AA to widen the skill gap, but also reduce gun bounce when shooting while moving to reduce randomness
Something you did not really touch on is what the devs could do - clean up visual clutter, make optics a free attachment or rework iron sights, make the crosshairs change color slightly any time a controller would get AA pull - this happened in old CODs on PC. This would help level the field.
As a PC and console, multi input player, I completely agree. COD has the most excessive aim assistance out of any title and I love playing on MKB (it's more fun and requires more skill), but in order to keep up with players at a competitive level I'm finding myself forced to use controller (which really socks having to use am input I don't want to just to remain competitive)
Aim assist reverses reality, makes an objectively worst input method better than the objectively better option. Its ruining fair play because you are not aiming yourself. Do you play fps with a driving wheel or a DPad? Why not?
As someone who had swapped to PC for over a year, and was primarially a controller/console users (Series x most recently), the absolute EASE of having aim assist vs mouse and keyboard is alot more massive than controller player, more specfically console only players even realize. Can PC people snap aim? I mean sure, but they still have to be accurate, and in games like warzone or MW3 where ttk is higher, missing any shots at all is basically a death sentence. In fact AA was such an issue even in games like Halo Infinite where they added some level of it for mouse and keyboard players, and the games just fine. I can play both inputs and have fun on either one and perform the same on either one. I think the biggest thing you highlighted and most important is, that crossplay games should be enjoyable across the board, regardless of input, and the likelihood of getting matched against PC players who have god aim is FAR FAR lower than the likelihood of getting matched against average level MnK users. That being said, I think COD should follow the Halo example and match that, because the biggest thing I noticed about swapping back to controller for MW3, is that recoil feels far more stamped out, and rotational AA feel super strong. Another thing you mentioned is that Console players have a more than reasonable enough FPS these days, where they are hardly at any major disadvantage anymore. AA absolutely cannot be removed from controller as it is needed, but I think they can tone it down and maybe, possibly, add some sort of slowdown or whatever Halo did as an option for mouse and key, and I think that will bring the game more in line between inputs.
I most be fugging usless player then or don’t know how to use aim assist because I don't experience any help at all. Been trying lots of different settings but no help what so ever with my aim. What am I doing wrong to miss out on this?
@@duncsfishgamingchannel8985 not to be rude mate, but the reason you die in WZ is not lack of aim assist, you're not very good. You lack movement, positioning, awareness of whats even going on around you, you stomp around everywhere and stare at the ground.
That's ok not rude at all I know I'm not good thanks for the advice though on what im doing wrong I don't get enough play time to become better and the lobbies I'm put in are evil @@GMRMDE
lifetime KnM player and i feel like i'm just getting steam rolled in this game. I'm ready to quit this game and it's bitter sweet because this is the first COD since MW in 2021 that has been close to as good as WZ 1 etc. minus the input differences. Thanks for your video it was very informative.
Personally I can't stand using a controller and purely play on Keyboard and Mouse. I loved MWII but gave up after completing Season 5 as I always felt at a disadvantage in close range gun fights, which is why I stopped playing and have not bothered with MWIII.
Great video Lachy! Only thing i would “ disagree” on if you can even call it that, is rotational needs to be completely removed, AA should be right stick activated only, and only on when the stick is tracking the player. There is zero reason it should stick to a targeting moving across the screen with only left stick input or even worse, no input at all.
There is no "high ranking pros" on controller with that OP aim assist. Sometimes aim assist does ALL the work, the player needs to do nothing. At low-mid range a PC player stands NO chance to beat aim assist. That is why Pc players are using controllers. Why wouldn t they?
Aim assist is bad because it just removes many potential situations where you can outplay your oponnent in a gunfight with movement changes, whether it be speed or direction. I just think there should be no aim assist at all. I can use controller on PC and consoles can use MNK. Those are choices and preferences. One of those preferences shouldnt be given special abilities because it is deemed by the people using it, to be slightly harder. It definitely shouldn't be given special abilities to the point where its now objectively not only gone from the slightly more difficult method, to clearly easier input method.
I despise pulling every movement trick in the book on a guy, getting somehow killed, and then see the killcam where he's locked on to me without missing a bullet the whole fight.
KBM player here, It's definitely a crutch for lower skill players to get kills they wouldn't otherwise, but I don't think its as big an issue as people make out. You will still beat a bad player with aim assist the vast majority of the time with movement, positioning and actively using cover like you should be anyway, it just means you should never sleep on someones ability to fry you even if they move like a bot with broken pathing. The reality is, when its sweat vs sweat the input/aim assist is almost never the deciding factor, mostly down to position and decision making. It could use a tweak to nerf down the rotational bit at close range but honestly people need to just be better at owning their deaths/mistakes. We all like having something to blame a bit too much
I play both controller and mnk, moving from console only to pc now and the aim assist on MW3 is wild. up close gunfights are skewed towards controllers so much because of AA .it makes some 1v1s painful especially when you can see the standard of the persons aim before the AA kicks in
It would be better to just tone down the aim assist on controllers rather than try to implement a new aim assist system on a completely different aiming system. Aim assist exist because mouse and keyboard is inherently more accurate when aiming than a controller but they've simply buffed it further than it ever needed to be. When you look at when they first implemented cross play it sucked because mouse and keyboard was unbelievably dominant over controllers. Then when cold war came out they found a pretty decent balance for it that people weren't really complaining about it all that much. They had other things they were still complaining about but the aim assist really wasn't that big of an issue and you had a pretty even split among the call of duty pro community as to players using mouse and keyboard or controller. Now you can see just how overpowered aim assist has become because 99% of all call of duty pros play on controller because especially with an already high skill level that they have the aim assist just buffs that even more.
As a lifelong controller player, I tried MnK and couldn’t handle the keyboard. The mouse, however, was pretty easy to aim with immediately. Made shots at range SOOO much easier. At the time, I would’ve said strong aim assist was necessary for controller players. Now (5 years later) I think you’re right, it’s gotten too strong. It does allow less skilled players to win gunfights they shouldn’t. And worse (for me) is it will get you killed taking on 2-3 people. All it takes is for you to commit to shooting someone, and their teammate crosses in front of you. It’ll drag your aim right off of who you’re shooting, but behind the other guy, so you’re not landing shots on anyone anymore. For sure, rotational aim assist should get at least 30%. I think your numbers are spot on. I would even be okay with 50%. I wonder… I haven’t experimented with the other aim assist settings. You think there’s one already in game that people can use that does just that? Does precision aim assist resemble that?
Absolutely great video with an unbiased look at this problem. all CoD players and especially all the devs working on the game should really see this. Great job pal.
AA is so broken it need to be nerfed to the ground, rollers literally don't need to do anything just slightly move right stick and boom it sticks to you and never will go, also they need huge recoil change, or at worse give soft AA to PC players because you literally play different game when you are on controller
I think you hit the nail on the head. It'll increase the "skill gap". I've only been on WZ for about three years moving from old console to gaming rig etc... investing more time into it. I literally hadn't gamed for over a decade. I started out on controller and decided to move to KbM on WZ2 (Bad Idea) but I actually finished with a better KD than WZ1. I've decided to stick with because I genuinely enjoy that its more satisfying and harder. You literally have to play different, set up guns different, take fights different and all the rest. What always surprised me the most about this community it constantly screams for "skill gap" but won't discuss the easiest way to achieve that by reducing AA or at least altering it. People want more movement, more health... well now they have those and their still not happy. Its like people are that scared of losing their KD they don't care about being given a crutch.
as a PC player all I can say it's impossible to say nowadays if someone is cheating or they are on a controller...
i ve been playin fps games for more than 20 years on mnk (being admin on dedicated servers and actually deciding from gameplay if players are cheating or not ) and i can honestly say its the first time i cant be sure in wz3 .. its crazy my man...
@@leyterispap6775 dude lol i remember thinking that exact thing being an admin on cs we would have perma banned to all these aimassist aimbotters since warzone 2020
Plenty of controller players say the same about MnK players after watching them snap onto someone in a blink of an eye thats 180 degrees behind them
Lmao
@@aerialflipflap7 play high sens, un-ads and then ads while doing a 180, voila, exact same thing on controller.
Especially in MW2 they put mechanics into play that made it harder to aim and which where basically reduced/countered by aim assist.
So on top of the overpowered AA, they made MnK actively worse to play with.
These mechanics are:
High visual recoil --> gets countered by aim assist
Bouncy shot to shot recoil patterns --> gets countered by aim assist
High left/right reticle shift while strafing --> gets reduced significantly by aim assist (source TrueGameData video)
and so on...
As an MnK player you where always at a disadvantage, because the guns felt like crap to shoot, while controller players basically got carried by aim assist.
Kinda unfair...
This is the biggest reason why aim assist is so broken. Because they made it so much worse to play on mouse and key.
on point.
This is spot on
Another thing to that aim assist counters is aim punch/flinch when shot with a sniper rifle, i cant count how many times i've been fighting a sniper using a controller ill hit them while they're aiming at me and their scope jumps all the way up to the sky them the aim assist inhumanly pulls their aim right back on to me.
Close combat is almost impossible as a KBM player on Warzone, it tracks far too accurately and just ruins the experience as its just unfair, as a KBM player I now only play mid-long range.
Aim assist is so broken that the game is just stupid at this point.
yup, I quit cod. tbh its more because of business practices and them pushing a political agenda but the aim assist is a contributor for sure
U mad?
An effort to keep a steady aim on MnK vs when a contro can just jump and run while locking on to me.
Better explanation 3:05
Get good
Yup
As a keyboard and mouse player, the biggest problem I have is tracking my target due to the visual recoil. The aim assist doing that tracking for me would take all of the challenge away from getting better.
One thing I rarely see mentioned is the players using controller have better bullet registry. When you have aim assist, similar to having an aimbot, all the shots you fire are going to register on your target. Where as with a mouse you can move the crosshair a fraction away from the targets center and the bullet no longer counts.
Is that what that is. I thought it was just bad net code 😮
yea
Magnetic bullets due to aimbot assist, better hit reg is definitely a thing on controller but I wouldn't say its all the time. Also you need to consider sbmm manipulating real time game parameters.
@@xxmajorglad someone mentions the shit thought everybody was clueless or something
@@prelude2pain I also have noticed watching killcams and being a spectator over some players that someone of them can shoot not even nearly close to the hitbox and they still hit. Is it some bug of killcams or cheats or some other aa feature we still don't know about?
As a m&k player I have to avoid getting into fights under 30 meters because that is prime distance for aim assist and for clearing buildings I use shotguns
You must have fun in the gulag then like me 😂😂😂 I have started taking the rope out these days because if I am spotted I am locked onto and dead, even by total bots.
@@fatezoryes, and the biggest problem is, now you go into the game not thinking about the game itself but only about, “what can I do to fight AA?”
would absolutely love KBM only lobbies
you get them sometimes on mp and it's like a fever dream
@@kunai222 all i play is mp and I've never gotten only KBM lobby and it's frustrating so i stopped playing 😅
@@wat4036I play pc I think I got it one time lol
99.9% of players in every lobby are on controller, aim assist isn't skill, cross play has to be shut down
Jst tone down the aim assist on controllers and remove it for close quarters weapons like shotguns and melee.
As a mouse and keyboard player I keep my engagements more to the mid to long range. Up close MnK's are at a HUGE disadvantage. I"ve spent hours in shipment working on movement and CQB. It helps but I understand my limitations. Also, because of aim assist, many controller players set their guns up different. As a MnK player, an optic is very important. I wonder what my gun setups would look like if I could dedicate that attachment to recoil assist attachments.
I never could get used to playing a shooter with a controller. Even with the aim assist. I was so happy when they actually added the ability to hook up a mouse and keyboard on call of duty for playstation.
@@nubbyfresh5623 - I tried using a controller and it was always counterintuitive for me. I built my first PC in 2000. We played Deus Ex and Max Payne. Windows NT was a really big deal. What a time to be alive. LOL
Keep an eye out for attachments with "firing aim stability" - helps a lot for the visual aspect for mouse players
Mainly pc player here recently got an Xbox x to cover while I upgrade the ageing pc, I personally disagree I struggling using a controller on cod find it way easier on pc with k&m I haven't yet plugged k&m into the Xbox as I can't be bothered moving it all
@@trancebass2741 It's two usb slots. It really isn't that big a task, unless you're running hardwired peripherals.
CoDs aim assist has the same problem as CoDs SBMM, its ABSOLUTELY necessary but implemented in such absurdly extreme way that it creates an entirely new problem
Aim assist isn't necessary because no one needs to play on a controller. You can use MNK on consoles these days. People use controllers by choice.
Why is it necessary? You shouldn't need the game to aim for you that's clearly an issue with the hardware
@@Brad-lt2recontroller is perfectly fine without aim assist, controller players just need to develop actual tracking skills instead of relying on instant reaction aimbot, when i saw how absurd AA was in MW2 i made the switch to MNK, there was no way i could make a good play in that game and say it was because i played better
@@merc9nineI don't agree with this. You should be able to play on what input you feel most comfortable. It just needs to be toned down or give half of what controllers get to mnk. This makes a bigger skill gap to
@@LRXKODEC I agree that you should be able to play on whatever device you feel most comfortable with, because it's now a preference, not a requirement based on your gaming platform. So since it's now a choice and not a limitation based on your system, one choice shouldn't get a free soft aimbot. You should play in controller with no aimbot like I used to do in every CoD before MW2
Something compounding the aim assist problem is the format of Battle Royale games. If you want to win a game of Warzone, sooner or later you will have to fight people at close range, where aim assist is more advantageous. (Also, there are no long-range gulags, etc.)
Great video and appreciate the measured and pragmatic views, I myself am a lifelong KBM player and have been finding it harder and harder to stick with COD/WZ these past few years due to the shifting balance of aim assist. It really does seem that since OG Warzone it has been getting stronger and stronger to the point where I change my whole playstyle to try and counter it. There is clearly a problem and it needs to be addressed.
Nice work once again!
The problem is crossplay. It's a money grubbing solution to a problem nobody can even prove existed. Crossplay should have been limited to consoles at best. PC shouldn't have to deal with controller players. Ever. I built my computers to use mouse and keyboard. Not a cheap piece of plastic with thumb sticks that has built in aimbot software.
@@elimgarak1127 why is it so hard for people like you to understand that the problem is not crossplay and is not consoles. Everybody on PC is using controllers now so removing crossplay fixes nothing.
I think this video was very well said and you had me agreeing in on pretty much every thing. One thing that seems to plague me as a mostly mouse and key player is when I use my stim and zig zag around players with AA. Their AA reacts way too quickly to sudden movement while a M&K player would have to make the millisecond adjustment themselves. It just makes me really frustrated when I am 100+ meters away and they don't miss a shot even when making sudden movements.
i love doing that, stimming and running around them trying to dodge shots just for fun but the aimbot level aimassist often ruins it either you get tracked and insta killed or you screw their aimbot up lol
Those situation are ABSURD! They don't miss!
Another detail: most people I know on PC uses a controller, so the problem is not PC vs Console, it's MKB vs Controllers
No, it's K/M vs Controller cheaters.
Lets call them what they really are... Cheaters.
@@user-lz5vh9bb5w I used to play on K&M and switched to controller a year ago since my hands started hurting with K&M, needless to say I do think Controller needs aim assist since it’s almost impossible to aim without aim assist on controller(on cod) unless your a waaay above average player , which most people simple aren’t
@@Orange_Oranje I agree that controllers need some form av aim assist to even be relevant against K/M.
I also agree that controllers need to be available as a legitimate option for those who may need them.
The problem I see is that in for example newer Call of Duty games, the aim assist is so extremely overtuned that it's actually far superior for most people compared to K/M.
If you actually learn how to use the aim assist (there's an actual strafing technique to it), then you can achieve extreme results.
It's an extremely unfair advantage.
The reason it's unfair is because the advantage does not come from skill but from an allowed cheat.
Can a K/M pro overcome this advantage?
Of course, but for 99% of people, the aim assist will win if used properly.
The main issue with it is the rotational aim assist, that it follows the target automatically.
There's no reason to get good at the game when any one can beat any one as long as they learn the simple technique.
It is cheating.
recently decided to give a controller a go, last time I used one was on Playstation 1, so it's been a while. remembering buttons and what buttons, do what , was the main issue I had. The first engagement I got in I was shocked, I knew all the stories about aim assist, but thought it's probably a little exaggerated, they weren't at all, despite the fact I was effectively new to it, I destroyed 2 players rapidly with very little input from myself. I honestly think it's broken, I won't go back to m&K for warzone, eventually I might put a plate on instead of throwing a grenade, but that doesn't matter when you have an aim assist
why are you enjoying playing the game less and it playing for you more (aiming for you)?
@@starc. why would you choose to play M&K when there are so many issues now with reticule movement, close combat being out of the question if you are against controller.
it's crazy how strong aim assist is, you would be a fool not to use it
@@dane4265 because its an fps game, why would anyone play an aim game with a joystick lol thats like saying i rather play racing games with a keyboard instead of a racing wheel
I used to be obsessed with the previous games as a MnK player. I barely play it now because it just doesn't feel fair. My skill built over time and I started winning in situations I'd have usually lost. This felt rewarding. Now I'm losing close range fights, which will happen eventually every game, because some coding took over. It's not about skill any more.
Yup.. basically If I don't have "the better gun" it's impossible to win a cqc fight. Sometimes even if I get to fire first I might still lose. Controllers can't miss.
15 years of MnK experience here. Recently tried out controller for Warzone specifically. Now, I'm not a professional player by any means, and I average 10 kills per game (on KBM). First few games playing on controller I had bursts of laughing on how overpowered it is. It's not even close and whoever says it's not OP is in denial. I am NOT good with a stick but AA does the rest. Very noticeable on pistol fights right when you drop. I've been dropping 20+ kills most of my games now. K/D went from 1.43 to 2.06 on Resurgence.
There are so many issues with these but i'm going to just state a few that people haven't already mentioned:
-AA close range makes it so that whoever has the faster killing gun wins. Hence the "META" aspect of Warzone is so prevalent. If neither me or the enemy misses a shot, whoever has the faster killing gun wins. Reduce AA and you will also reduce the amount of meta slaves, i'm sure.
-SBMM is much more punishing for MnK players. Having a bad day on MnK while in sweaty lobbies as well feels downright depressing. On controller, even if I'm not 10 redbulls deep I can still compete due to AA.
-Lots of people will move towards apps such as reWASD, me included. I bought this game to have fun, and MnK is my preferred input. If I can level the playing field using some software(actual hacks excluded), I will. After all, I'm leveraging what is already in the game and broken. Not using AA is gimping to a huge degree. Consider it my way of protesting AA. As soon as AA is nerfed, people will stop using such software for these purposes. Easy.
You also mentioned that reducing aim assist by @30% would check more boxes, specifically helping lower skilled players as well. Not once in the discussion have I heard anything related to helping MnK players who are struggling. Not every MnK player is a God, and there ARE people with disabilities that play on MnK that are screwed over even more by AA. Thing is, MnK is a raw input, and people who suck will suck no matter what. But they have no crutches, and have miserable experiences. Not so much with controller players.
There are 3 possible fixes for this:
-Remove rotational all together. To compensate, make it so that the aiming speed matches the enemy player when on controller. You will still have to move your stick reactively to what they are doing, but it will help tracking.
-Give MnK players a small degree of rotational aim assist that has a very low effective range, to only help in close range encounters, maybe up to 20m.
-Input based matchmaking. Harsh, but it is what it is. Fixes every single problem, and as long as it's a toggleable feature I don't see how it could hurt.(besides higher queue times, but that would force lower SBMM as well)
MK'er here, its brutal. Id say out of 100 people, my skill would rank around the top 30-35%, yet I win maybe 1 out of 5 close combats fights in WZ3... and thats usually with me getting the first shots off as well.
same
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Pretty nice to hear that from someone that actually plays a lot on controller. I think implementing a "human like" delay for the tracking would work. A more extreme approach would be either scaling the strength of aim assist according to your sbmm "rank" or make it mandatory for the tracking to actually activate you at least have to aim in the general direction of the emy. So that whenever you are slidecanceling left and right the enemy at least has to move the stick left and right for the rotational tracking to actually activate. But these are just the dreams of a 41 years old dad who played FPS games since Counterstrike 0.51 that is just tired of watching killcams of closerange gunfights where you sweat your ass off by sliding/bunnyhopping only to see the obviously way worse player still track you pefectly and then kill you. GHreetings from Germany and hope you have a nice new years eve.
The reason for rotational AA being a thing is because it takes more time for a joystick to go from left to right (has to go though centre first) than for a mouse to change direction. This makes sense to do but the problem is the AA reaction time is instant while the mouse player has that human reaction delay to deal with.
i know that aa to some degree is 100% necessary for controller players to keep up with mkb. BUT to implement it in a way that you bascially dont have to touch your right stick at all after centering on the enemy is still way too powerful. the reaction time is another issue but for me the best implementation would be a) make it necessary for the player to at least aim his right stick in the general direction of where the enemy moves to keep the tracking active or b) scale it down the better the player becomes. everyone in this game has some kind of hidden sbmm "ranking" about his skill level. just tone aa down the higher you get. @@Flux000
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came upon this video after having same problems on MnK. As someone who have played through all versions of warzone I can tell for sure that it getting harder to win close range 1v1s with each new version of the game. Just trying to play as a sniper and dont enter buildings lol
I've used K&M for 25 plus year now playing FPS games, I've lost all ability to use a joystick for FPS games. Fair play for pointing out these issues. I've noticed that "guy not tracking you but killing you" thing god knows how many times. I had no idea how strong aim assist was for joystick players. At least I know I'm better than my stats say 😄. I still won't switch though 💪
Controller play is a slug. Stick to m&k and enjoy knowing that when you track, flick and hit your shots it’s you doing that and not soft aimbot aka aim assist. The players with inflated egos in CoD are living in a state delusion & majority couldn’t track a 40 foot Dinosaur moving at .25 meter per second across their screens without this crutch.
@@TheMostSavageOfAllGeese 🤣🤣amen
@@TheMostSavageOfAllGeese I love when they say that aim assist is not soft aimbot but when they turn it off they cant hit a single shot
@@SOLO-py4xv has happened to "pros" several times. Imagine what it would be like for casual players. AA off turns "pros" into complete noobs.
How many times I have heard: "oh nooo my AA is not working aaaaa"
Ever since i was a kid I've loved FPS on PC, specially the UT games where you had crazy movements but accurate weapons that required you to have actual good aim on your mouse.
I also loved COD while growing up, but wasn't a console kid so i never got the controller shooting experience, nor did I care for it either.
I love COD, but i also love MnK because that's just simply the way I learn to play games; amd I don't mind that games give you a little help to compensate for the tiny stick on a controller, but when that help becomes an incredibly strong advantage that even bores me out of my favorite game because it feels unfair, then what's the point of playing anyway.
I'm all for crossplay, I'm all for crossinput, but make it feel fair, otherwise what's even the point of cross play
I'm not sure why controller players have such a hard time admitting some of the points you mention in this video. I play mixed input and I can say that nothing you said was untrue.
Because every streamer in the world has been moaning about aim assist for years, well before aim assist became OP..
What people need to understand is, that aim assist, especially auto rotational aim assist, has been introduced for one fundamental reason: Marketing.
Activision is a multi-billion dollar company, within their marketing teams are business-psychologists who know exactly how a human will respond to certain types of dopamine stimuli. Roughly 90% of Warzone players are using a controller, which gives an obvious reason why AA is so tremendously strong. They want to make people believe they’re good. They are giving people moments of success. They are making people have dopamine rushes. They are essentially subconsciously leading you to buy items from the shop. This is the entire reason for why AA is op. CoD is not a game anymore, it is not a competitive environment anymore. It is a money making machine, sort of like a casino disguised as a first person shooter. Activision doesn’t care about their players. Activision doesn’t care about the quality of the game - As long as it does what is expected of it: Generate profit. They will not nerf AA, because if they were to do that, they would loose a significant amount of controller players, which in return would mean less profit at the end of the game’s life cycle. People need to wake up and finally realize that all we are to Activsion is a wallet that is waiting to spend some bills. Nothing more, nothing less.
very well put video. been mnk for 20 years and there is no way im switching because AA is too strong, doesnt make sense to learn new input from grounds up solely for AA reasons. its not about adaptation anymore, its about integrity and admitting that it does indeed need to be balanced better. the sooner it gets dealt with the better. i've been cs 1.6 admin too on non steam pub servers i've seen all of it, and im just mindblown how is this possible in fps games, every single above average player controller gameplay looks the same, it mimics aimbot on micro level, and the worst thing they are so prideful and egoistical its ridiculous
100% man. AA is insane right now. Its completely unfair for MKB players. It looks identical to CS aim bot. Like it even glitches the screen and snaps to the person the second they press the ADS button as long as they are looking in the direction of a player, even if the crosshair is no where near the enemy.
Another extremely well delivered video. I myself made the jump from console to pc in the last year, but still use controller. Ive started to focus on improving and I fully agree with what you are saying about aim assist overall, especially rotational.Tweeks to aim assist amounts and possibly some tweeks to sbmm would improve the experience for a vast amount of players, weather casual or competitive. Strong aim assist and fast TTK is having the opposite effect of what the developers were probably going for.
Thats the problem, COD only gives a illusion of a skill gap, activision still forces these games to be casual no matter what, thats why aim assist exists in the state its in, so kids and 40 year olds with no online gaming experience can keep up
I agree with reduction of AA by 30%. There’s nothing like sliding past an enemy and getting behind them only for the AA to complete 180 them perfectly
You are right, there is nothing like that. Because it literally only rotates the camera 15-16 degrees. Xclusiveace has tested this.
30% reduction? More like a 50% or 60% there is no way im going to live with this low of a skill ceiling in aiming
@@nerdstrangler4804 old video where AA was balanced so irrelevant today
@@makotomurazakieng6219 its the same bro. Plug in a damn controller.
@@nerdstrangler4804 the same ? bro do you even watch settings videos or ?
A lot of the people that want to claim "oh my game doesn't have aim assist like that" simply don't understand or can't get the hang of how to utilize that aim assist properly. Myself being one of them.
As a PlayStation player I feel like I'm one of the few weirdos that actually made the switch from controller to mouse and keyboard. I just never could actually get the hang of playing shooters of any game on a controller and personally do better on mouse and keyboard. But God damn it sometimes when you're sliding through a hallway and you get killed and watch the killcam it does slightly infuriate me to watch the aim assist kick in when somebody actually knows how to use it.
Console kbm weirdos unite 🤘🏻
I agree that rotational aim assist needs to be reduced somewhat. I think that would be a fair change.
The arguments I hate seeing from M&K players are that aim assist is legal aimbot and aim assist must be removed entirely. Just my observation, but I think because M&K has historically been considered the more competitive input, many M&K players feel more pain when getting killed by controller players. As if there is no reason controller players should be able to best them. These weird arguments are a result of that I believe.
The fact is that generally, controllers do need some form of aim assist. There's a reason its ubiquitous in the shooter space.
I also believe that it is much easier to be precise on M&K. It generally is superior in most situations to controller, both in long and close ranges. It's rare to see the type of flicks and long range control that many PC players perform regularly, on a controller.
But yes, I think COD may have gone a little too far with it's aim assist, but the type of reactions I see from M&K players are comical
This.
CoD is not a flicking game, it's a tracking game. This means aim assist will always be superior to mouse.
@@iskabin I disagree, it is much easier to track targets with a mouse at distance. The only time I'd say aim assist has an advantage is in extreme close range as it pertains to tracking
it's been consistant and PROVEN that aim assist works like a legal aimbot, many clips are there with people testing it in a controlled environment.
1) there is some auto recoil control helping the player to stay on target easily while some meta guns have already no recoil at all
2) rotational AA instantly track a target within it's FOV in no time which clearly outmatches human reaction time
3) testers like Hecksmith shows aim assist can lock and stick hard to the target with even dropshot being followed by AA which refutes Tacbrit's argument about dropshots stopping AA while it still track a bit even if it's way less sticky
4) SBMM improves AA for low end players so they get a massive advantage against stronger players
there are reasons why they did this :
1. To shrink any possible skill gap.
2. To safeguard the experiences of average and lesser-skilled players (majority of the player base).
3. To stimulate longer session times among the majority of players, thus increasing the profitability of the player base.
4. To mask when server-side meddling kicks in to influence the outcome of a battle when 'needed'.
All popular titles have their own mix of techniques to achieve this; competitive integrity is dead, and has been for quite some years now.
If your AA isn't that sticky or you claim your aim assist don't do that and not close to a legal aimbot, that's because you DIDN'T watch the 100000 tutorials to improve/tune it because yes, it's customisable and there are some settings to use for it to work like soft aimbot. If aim assist wasn't this strong, there wouldn't be so much people making the switch and dropping 10-15 their 1st matches while they never played controller before.
overall, most M&K players claiming aim assist is legal aimbot are FACTUALS and some of these claims are the product of RESEARCHS.
Try by your own. Don't come here and tell what a bunch of streamers did. Make your own trials and then make your own opinion. Yes, cod 3 has insane aim assist, but isn't not aimbot. It needs to be nerf, mainly the aim assist when you are sliding next to an enemy. In that case I think it did be reduced 70%
The other issue is _why_ aim assist has got this strong in COD, and I think a lot of that is the movement system. Way back in COD 2 or whatever you didn’t have sprinting, let alone sliding and diving and back button jumping, and so it simply didn’t need as much aim assist. Players moved more predictably, it was easier to track them on a pad. Slowly, that’s gone away and it’s become a very dynamic, frantic game. You see it a lot this year where people slide past each other before a gunfight starts.
Yeah, but if aim-assist can automatically and easily track sliding and other really fast movements, it just shows how broke it is.
aim assist doesnt automatically track anything lmao thats why majority of the playerbase are bad and miss shots@@jce3086
The issue thee days is this is not cod anymore, when you have a game where you jump slide first before shooting your gun thats a major problem and its really cringe..
@@jce3086 movement is meaningless and nullified with such aimbot level of aimassist so whats an fps game if moving dont matter and it aims for you just sit there and watch a movie
The movement dynamics definitely favour the aim assist even more. I don’t enjoy how frantic this version of the game has become.
I used to play on controller until I switched to m&k about a year ago, so I play both to about the same level. One thing that I've also noticed is that when playing on controller, SBMM is very fair when pairing you with players of your same gaming level. On the other hand, when playing on m&k, you get paired with higher skilled players. It's like the unfairness comes right from the game design and it's against m&k players.
I agree, I get the dirtiest of lobbies and with only a 1.4KD it's appalling. Even got high level streamers in my game with 1m subs etc. Mental!
this is a fact
@@xjerk526 thats nuts... M&K are already disadvantaged since 2020 they turned up aimassist to aimbot levels but then they punish players even more ....
I would love to see aim assist get a slight nerf, mainly the rotational aim assist more than anything. This coming from a controller player.. also call of duty could experiment with controller only lobbies and K&M only lobbies. If that can be possible
AA lobies / aimbot free lobies. To be reasobable
Split inputs and I’m all for zero AA. I came from PUBG console where there is zero AA, but if you allow controller and K&M in the same lobbies then you will never find a balance. COD leans their AA to benefit controller over K&M as that is their core player base. This will never change because it would affect their top line.
Ive have the feeling aim assist help people tracking enemies in cases of stuns, through smoke or even walls. I just wish that does not happen anymore, or at least in a lesser amount when speaking about the stun/smokes.
Pisses me off to no end when I see these bronze to gold level absolute bots hitting every shot with no skill required. They can barely even control their character properly but as soon as the aa locks on they’re not missing. I have close to 10k hours on kbm, have extensively aim trained and usually sit in the top 10-15% of any scenario I play on kovaaks, yet I can get shat on consistently by a gold warzone player because the game aims for them. And it’s hilarious that these people have no idea how strong their aim assistance is, they are in the highest form of denial.
Up close is like a cheat code. You don't even need to bother if the player is going left, right, down, up or jump. The aim assist is gonna track for you perfectly with 0 ms reaction time... i m curios when you change the game and realise that you are a potato... in this curent state even my dead dog can track up close perfectly...
Warzone Tracking is insane. I play PC and use KBM. It makes warzone just not fun anymore. When you watch the playback and it tracks and they don't miss a single shot as a kbm player If I miss 1 or 2 shots with a submachinegun I will be dead 10/10 times thanks to tracking from rotational aim assist. When playing a competetive game the premise should be to play the game for a length of time and getting better during the time you play it. Not having the game track for you and get you free kills you otherwise would not get. I refuse to use controller because of aim assist. I believe it is just softcore cheating allowed by Warzone.
MnK and controller aim assist will never be balanced against each other. They should not be used together in competitive settings. Im MnK and i have never wanted crossplay and think players should be separated by input device to make the fairest possible environment.
Aim assist is op in the new warzone, i say this also as a mixed input player. It needs to be toned down.
In my opinion rotational aim assist just needs a small delay before reacting to direction changes to simulate human reaction time. The instant reaction to direction changes (zig zag, jumpshot etc) is what makes it so good. Reacting to sudden direction changes is the hardest thing to do well for mouse players - because of the reaction time factor
There is no instant reacton, all types of aim assist are just annoying slw downs that ruin your aim, not help it. If aim assist wrked how you claim how do you explain 99% of the playerbase still missing their shots and being hilarious. Things YOU are claiming would allow any player to be a pro lmao
Skill issue
@CrownRoyaL2.0 there are literally videos online of aim assist doing exactly as he is saying.
It's controller plebs not wanting to admit how much of the heavy lif8nt aim assist does.
@@NYSLLeo literally a skill issue. If you don't have the skill then you rely on software to do the majority of the aiming for you LOL
@@nubbyfresh5623 Not so much my guy. They do need aim assist.
It's not even a contest when they don't have it.
But claiming shot like Joewoe dropping 40 without aim assist. Forgetting all the kills look like aim assist stuck on the players. The guy is a fucking cheat. I've watched other top teir controller players turn it off and play like dogshit. Uploaded suggesting that earthworm Jim looking mother fucker can aim like thay without aim assist when at LAN even with Aim assist on the prick can't do more than 6 and that's going full camp.
Controllers need aim assist but yes you're correct in that alot of those plebs think they have skill when the software is doing ALOT of the work for them.
Meanwhile those controller doofuses perfectly tracking from left to right all the way across the map and KMB players running out of mouse pad on the first 200 on the compass. Ita a fucking joke I'd love to see how they would go having topics up their controller and move it back to center or the left side of their body before they could continue aiming.
Little things they take for granted because they know nothing about how much ithe helps.
Imagine the outcry if Activision goes tomorrow ok we'll give mouse rotational aim assist but only for when you have to reposition mouse..
If it does nothing why have it at all OT why not give it to MKB players I ask.
Well get no coherent answer.. I suppose much like my comment
Yes - 100,000%. Nobody complained about AA implementation in WZ1. Activision purposefully allows terrible players to aim like Shroud by holding L2 which makes them feel good, while also living in their own layer of SBMM.
Between AA and SBMM, it's like everybody is being hypnotized into believing they're cracked, since they're quite literally playing in their own world.
You're joking right? PC babies cried about aim assist all the time
If sbmm is putting you in with terrible players, then I hate to break it to you bro.....
@@grrinc I'm talking about other players. Personally, I'm a 4.20KD mouse player, Crimson ranked WZ2 - played against Sperros, Raraman, Blue, Metaphor within one day of solos. Try again.
@@Killjoy.Z wow, my bad. You sound so awesome. Lol
@@grrinc he sounds like he has to Google pictures of grass every so often so he doesnt forget its colour 😂 imagine being this narcissist! Absolutely sad af
you know it's ruining the game when there is no competitive integrity, it's as simple as splitting the inputs as before crossplay
I played pro in unreal tournament. If you had aim assist you would be banned. I do see the skill in a lot of the controller players but the gun fights they would lose easily if they had no aim assist. I was always told if your aim sucks then put in the time to get better.
Ive learned kbm over the last year and my aim is already miles better than using my thumbs ever was. That being said, I can tell instantly in close quarters when I lose to AA like I never had a chance.
I refuse to go back to controller in this game because Im having more fun on kbm and I can tell Im improving over time but aim assist definitely needs to be adjusted
You're videos have consistently been built on sound analysis, many thanks. While I (as a controller player) think only really rotational aim assist needs a nerf, I appreciate your well rounded and based take on this issue. Out of all the noise on this topic, this video should be at the top of the stack for the devs to see.
Rotational should be nerfed by 60% while all slowdown AA could be buffed across the board, or something to facilitate flicking on controller
In the Deathcam you're always see them controller plebs with their autoaim, it always aims at the center of your body. Literally always. Such a pain the ass getting killed by a noob only cause of OP Aim Assist.
the visual recoil is the most important point imo. so often, it is near on impossible to track anything on MnK, not to mention when we take a gunfight in a dark area
Its not about the aim assist but they are making warzone, controller friendly because they want people to buy xbox controllers
This is why I run shotguns as a MnK player; doesn't matter if they can track me easier close up. As long as I tag them a couple of times they're dead no matter what; I generally prefer long ranges anyway and always prioritise good positioning over getting kills so aim assist doesn't bother me as much. I don't like the idea of disabling cross play though; all my friends play on console with controller so removing cross play would just result in me not playing cod at all.
- Remove randomness / extra sway from aiming. Affects M/K since no AA
- Adjust AA
CQ fights with pistols m/k vs pad are the worst. Only way for m/k to counter AA in my opinion is to just try to use hipfire builds or shotguns :D
First thing they need to do is get the server tick rates up. That is more broken than AA.
I'm honestly just tired of not knowing if I got aimbotted or he's got aim assist, not being able do to close quarter fights, needing to build guns different for visibility. I'm at 1.85K/D as a MnK player right now (which is fairly decent, I'd say?), but I've always got my tinfoil hat on looking at the outrageous killcams with the dumbest desync known to mankind, feeling this game is working against me. Don't get me wrong - I'm not a top 0.1% player, but i've been playing fps for roughly 20 years of my life. I'm good at fps. And I hate how much I enjoyed the game before because I can't fucking quit.
Get rid of rotational tracking and just keep the slowdown like it used to be, like you get with the Precision aim assist setting. But its very rare to see people using that setting because I suppose people don't want to nerf themselves. The rotational tracking can be a curse in the right scenario when dealing with multiple targets, it can somewhat soil itself and ultimately pull your aim off your target. I'd rather my character was only moving and aiming based on my own inputs and i'd rather that was the default for all cod players too
I use that because I feel like aim assist on normal gets in the way so much especially with sniping
Always been rotational aim assist in cod
@@OMGItzSlickerz I really don't believe that your statement is accurate
@@iJobama then you’re clearly new to call of duty
@@OMGItzSlickerz I've played every game from cod 4 onwards. Aim assist was never like it is today.
Agree with your take. I would also add in Multiplayer, controller players don't have to build their guns for recoil control as much as KBM due to AA locking on. That's a pretty unfair advantage when you can focus on ads and sprint out.
It's a nudge to the target, there's no lock on
@@grrinc Rotational locks on to players strafing and jumping sideways.
Aim assist should be available for M&K players too, I agree with most of your statements but the bigger indicator that today M&K is a disavantage is that every streamer plays on control no matter what, and TBH it is more that the Aim assits, if you add SBMM that matches you agains people in your skill plus extra recoil and bullet disprecion and in the top of that super strong aim assist ... there is no way that M&K compite, it is incredible how trash I am when playing Warzone for exmaple, not able to win a gun fight, every time I die it feels like is just not right, then I fo back to BF1 or old CoDs and it just feels right again even when I am trash at the game
When all the PC keyboard and mouse players switch to controller for an FPS game, there is no debate.
as a hybrid player my main issue is that i can just move my left stick a little and it will move left or right for me. Where as it should only move and assist providing im turning the correct way, so there's manual movement for it to be effective. Making hitting strafing targets more fair compared to MnK.
Also to mention, this will not ruin the lower skilled players as SBMM is so strong nothing will change for them, it will however create a much larger gap between the 1.5kd and 3kd players.
Aim Assist is about engagement not balance these days. At this point the only option is to give MKB a form of RAA because pandora's box has been opened and controller players simply don't want to go back. We've seen the noise the controller player base make when they've tried to adjust it in the past. The other option is to go nuclear, bleed players for a few months and then when they realize there's nothing else to play, they'll be back.
The only reason, why aim assist is so strong, that everyone can feel great, because everyone can get kills(, they normaly wouldn't have gotten). Als consoles are way cheaper than a proper gaming pc and a default controller is also cheaper than a mouse and or keyboard.
Accordingly most kids/ teens, which is the majority of players and the target group, can't play on a decent pc. So if little Timmy has an awesome experience by also getting some kills, which he normaly wouldn't without a strong aim assist, he's gonna buy some skins in the shop with mom's credit card and Activision has achieved all they wanted: Getting more money.
Aim assist, like it is in the new era of shooters, is a pain in the ass and destroys any form of skill expression unfortunatley. Game is catered to controller players to the max, for example insane muzzle flash and high visual recoil as mention in the video.
Sadly I also think, that mkb is dying in shooter games, which is so ridiculous to me, because it's the far superior input device.
Gullag Is impossible for Keyboard and mouse
I play K&M, I played plunder recently, and 1 guy was taking out my team and me like flies, I spectated him, had WAP 9mm, beast of a gun, no recoil, no nothing, we managed to take him out and I grabbed his loadout, to try the beast of a gun…20 years experience of playing K&M and I couldn’t control that gun, I was shooting anywhere but straight, the recoil was awful…doesn’t matter how to customise you loadout, controller players will never have the aiming and controlling problem, for controller any gun is meta
The best way to enjoy Warzone is to just not play it imo.
I just want to BE ABLE TO disable crossplay. No way in hell is PC vs CONSOLE a fair fight, ever. Console players don't think M&K on PC is unfair, we think PC is unfair in general. The most obvious thing being readily available hacks on PC for dirt cheap, PC players run 4x the FPS & rendering distance, DS4 for macros, tuned audio buffers, overlays and can select region/servers at will and thats only the surface level stuff. Hearing PC gamers cry about a kid on xbox getting 40 FPS @ 1080p getting "aim assist" while playing on a $6,000 gaming pc running 200 FPS @ 4k running 120FOV it makes me laugh hysterically 😂
Yea yea whatever it's a game designed for the new consoles not for a relic. Next gen console have on average the same or more fps than a pc player. You mistake the average player with a streamer that has a 4090 that costs 2400euros. Also if you look at the numbers 120 fps vs 160 for example have 2ms diference if that's what's killing you you are bot period. You are whinning for 0.001% of players with a good pc 🤣🤣
You did not watch the video.
Forgot to mention using ultrawide displays I love my ultrawide display ❤
Agreed
Watch the video pls again and try to understand
Sweaty movement and cheating is ruining cod in general. If pc and console players could separate, I'd probably play it more
I played MnK for 95% of WZ1 and some of WZ2, I have now played on controller for ~ 8 months and its actually night and day.
Mouse input felt so much smoother on MW2019 its all gone downhill from there tbh regardless of aim assist, sad
I really appreciate your input and this video. I play most shooters on mouse and keyboard and call of duty is really the only one where it seems like gunfights feel very unfair. I don't see this changing, but it is still nice to listen to. Hope you have a great rest of the week
FUCKING THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! I get beat by dog water players and THE SECOND I die and aim assist no longer recognizes me, you see their aim sweep away in the direction that they were ACTUALLY aiming..... Not right at my head every single shot.
Its not my fault that some people decide to play with a suboptimal controlling device... and aim shouldnt be "balanced", weapons must be balanced, aim its just the player's skill.... im not playing warzone again.
DONT CONFUSE AIM ASSIST WITH CRONUSES. We have become so blinded that we actually think it’s aim assist 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
I'd be open to adding a small delay to AA where the tracking assist doesn't automatically change the exact moment their target changes direction which can carry the controller user in a fight. It could be something like a 90-150 millisecond delay so it's JUST enough for directional changes to outmaneuver aim assist by escaping the invisible circle where it's active, but not enough of a delay where it becomes completely useless and AA is being broken consistently by movement
yeah 100% this is one of my biggest problems with AA. They hold a corner or door and if you ran thru they tracking starts with 0 ms reaction time, so even if you have the fastest gun setup and fly thru that door it will still react and track you instantly
Yeah I’d like to disable cross play as well. But I actually made the switch to K/M on console because aim assist being so strong made it hard for me to track fast moving targets parachuting in especially with snipers. It’s so sticky that you can’t lead a target appropriately. But now I realize I traded that advantage for several massive controller advantages. Specifically up close, I just get absolutely rinsed because I actually have to see who I’m shooting at in dark areas or rooms filled with smoke. It’s BS.
For normal MP, Crossplay is good for keeping the community big on older CoDs. If you only play Warzone casually crossplay is totally fine. The moment you try to make Warzone something competitive crossplay should be yeeted out the window. The problem for me is I like to try my best when I play these games but I just got way to frustrated in Warzone 1.0 when you see people just apparalty tracking that one dot on your chest perfectly without any recoil whatsoever in killcams. Havent really played the last Warzones much because of that.
As a dual input player I been saying this for a while now... but I'm met with, "get good", "Stop crying", "Aim Assist is Fine"... It's fine for others cause they lack the skill and enjoy the aim bot... just admit it.
I play both, and it's glaringly obvious that RAA wins me more gunfights. It's especially noticeable in warzone because of the armour. As you say, it needs turning down to a level that equates its response to the average human response time. Then, the playing field would be at least as level as can be. As for the cheating, we'll that's entirely on Activision and their persistent failure to deal with it in the first place on verdansk. It went on too long, and suspicion is now the default choice, couple that with the crap servers and the amount of odd deaths due to super bullets and lag, and the assumption is everyone is cheating.
SBMM and cheating is killing Warzone’s. Not aim assist.
Yes, off course… controllers with controllers, mouse with mouse… no aim assist… no hacks… my dream come true.
this is one of the best, if not the best video about this topic!
I can play both inputs at a very good level and the point you bring up at 7:40 is exactly what I'm saying as well. I'd hope for future games the AA will be reduced again to provide a higher skill gap again, then add the option for input based matchmaking. the main argument for overtuned AA is that people can't compete against MnK players, if we had input based MM this argument would be invalid.
It's so true. For me, as a mouse and key player playing on gaming laptop some fights are very unpredictable as I have 60fps at most. I play few times a week since wz1 and never was the best in close range fights, but now I'm changing my playstyle and avoiding close range fights as much as I can.
As a console player and using a controller, AIM Assit is def OP. They need to nerf it a bit in this game. I do agree that it's time to end crossplay between consoles and PC. The cheating is getting out of hand (esp on Caldera) and the anti cheating mechanism can't keep up with new cheats.
no, activision doesnt wanna fund anti-cheat development enough for it to not be a problem
Well to be honest from a casual player who's a controller player and don't seem to get much aim assist at all and don't melt no one lol maybe I'm that bad then ?
Correct
by reducing aim assist as a nerf in this game not only it will be beneficial for mnk player but it will also encourage controller players to put more time into practicing aiming on their own and not relieing on machine to kill a person, as of now in close quarter fights its pretty much not debatable to compare inputs,and for the people who type you can 180 or whatever person who is behind you its 0.0001% of the time that u can utilize that mechanic in this game
True but the only reason its there is to keep people playing and paying.
Lifelong controller player here. It's a massive issue for players of all input types. There is no such thing as bad aim anymore inside of, say, 20m. Every player in every decent lobby hits every shot,. The practical TTK is ridiculously high even though the theoretical is in a decent place. Nerf AA to widen the skill gap, but also reduce gun bounce when shooting while moving to reduce randomness
Something you did not really touch on is what the devs could do - clean up visual clutter, make optics a free attachment or rework iron sights, make the crosshairs change color slightly any time a controller would get AA pull - this happened in old CODs on PC. This would help level the field.
As a PC and console, multi input player, I completely agree.
COD has the most excessive aim assistance out of any title and I love playing on MKB (it's more fun and requires more skill), but in order to keep up with players at a competitive level I'm finding myself forced to use controller (which really socks having to use am input I don't want to just to remain competitive)
Aim assist reverses reality, makes an objectively worst input method better than the objectively better option. Its ruining fair play because you are not aiming yourself. Do you play fps with a driving wheel or a DPad? Why not?
Aim assist ruining COD and warzone.
As someone who had swapped to PC for over a year, and was primarially a controller/console users (Series x most recently), the absolute EASE of having aim assist vs mouse and keyboard is alot more massive than controller player, more specfically console only players even realize. Can PC people snap aim? I mean sure, but they still have to be accurate, and in games like warzone or MW3 where ttk is higher, missing any shots at all is basically a death sentence. In fact AA was such an issue even in games like Halo Infinite where they added some level of it for mouse and keyboard players, and the games just fine. I can play both inputs and have fun on either one and perform the same on either one.
I think the biggest thing you highlighted and most important is, that crossplay games should be enjoyable across the board, regardless of input, and the likelihood of getting matched against PC players who have god aim is FAR FAR lower than the likelihood of getting matched against average level MnK users. That being said, I think COD should follow the Halo example and match that, because the biggest thing I noticed about swapping back to controller for MW3, is that recoil feels far more stamped out, and rotational AA feel super strong. Another thing you mentioned is that Console players have a more than reasonable enough FPS these days, where they are hardly at any major disadvantage anymore. AA absolutely cannot be removed from controller as it is needed, but I think they can tone it down and maybe, possibly, add some sort of slowdown or whatever Halo did as an option for mouse and key, and I think that will bring the game more in line between inputs.
I report everyone I see using aim assist. I used to get 5 bans a day. Now i'm getting 2.
I most be fugging usless player then or don’t know how to use aim assist because I don't experience any help at all. Been trying lots of different settings but no help what so ever with my aim. What am I doing wrong to miss out on this?
This is the same as I feel and it shows in my videos
search for "hecksmith aim assist" on youtube. he has done a few very detailed videos about aa.
@@duncsfishgamingchannel8985 not to be rude mate, but the reason you die in WZ is not lack of aim assist, you're not very good. You lack movement, positioning, awareness of whats even going on around you, you stomp around everywhere and stare at the ground.
That's ok not rude at all I know I'm not good thanks for the advice though on what im doing wrong I don't get enough play time to become better and the lobbies I'm put in are evil @@GMRMDE
@@GMRMDE and Im just all over the place I need more hours on it think playing on a huge screen doesn't help
lifetime KnM player and i feel like i'm just getting steam rolled in this game. I'm ready to quit this game and it's bitter sweet because this is the first COD since MW in 2021 that has been close to as good as WZ 1 etc. minus the input differences. Thanks for your video it was very informative.
Personally I can't stand using a controller and purely play on Keyboard and Mouse. I loved MWII but gave up after completing Season 5 as I always felt at a disadvantage in close range gun fights, which is why I stopped playing and have not bothered with MWIII.
Great video Lachy! Only thing i would “ disagree” on if you can even call it that, is rotational needs to be completely removed, AA should be right stick activated only, and only on when the stick is tracking the player. There is zero reason it should stick to a targeting moving across the screen with only left stick input or even worse, no input at all.
There is no "high ranking pros" on controller with that OP aim assist. Sometimes aim assist does ALL the work, the player needs to do nothing. At low-mid range a PC player stands NO chance to beat aim assist. That is why Pc players are using controllers. Why wouldn t they?
Aim assist is bad because it just removes many potential situations where you can outplay your oponnent in a gunfight with movement changes, whether it be speed or direction. I just think there should be no aim assist at all. I can use controller on PC and consoles can use MNK. Those are choices and preferences. One of those preferences shouldnt be given special abilities because it is deemed by the people using it, to be slightly harder. It definitely shouldn't be given special abilities to the point where its now objectively not only gone from the slightly more difficult method, to clearly easier input method.
I despise pulling every movement trick in the book on a guy, getting somehow killed, and then see the killcam where he's locked on to me without missing a bullet the whole fight.
KBM player here, It's definitely a crutch for lower skill players to get kills they wouldn't otherwise, but I don't think its as big an issue as people make out. You will still beat a bad player with aim assist the vast majority of the time with movement, positioning and actively using cover like you should be anyway, it just means you should never sleep on someones ability to fry you even if they move like a bot with broken pathing. The reality is, when its sweat vs sweat the input/aim assist is almost never the deciding factor, mostly down to position and decision making. It could use a tweak to nerf down the rotational bit at close range but honestly people need to just be better at owning their deaths/mistakes. We all like having something to blame a bit too much
I play both controller and mnk, moving from console only to pc now and the aim assist on MW3 is wild. up close gunfights are skewed towards controllers so much because of AA .it makes some 1v1s painful especially when you can see the standard of the persons aim before the AA kicks in
I mean, just give key board and mouse players aim assist too. Shouldn't be that hard to implement.
It would be better to just tone down the aim assist on controllers rather than try to implement a new aim assist system on a completely different aiming system.
Aim assist exist because mouse and keyboard is inherently more accurate when aiming than a controller but they've simply buffed it further than it ever needed to be.
When you look at when they first implemented cross play it sucked because mouse and keyboard was unbelievably dominant over controllers. Then when cold war came out they found a pretty decent balance for it that people weren't really complaining about it all that much. They had other things they were still complaining about but the aim assist really wasn't that big of an issue and you had a pretty even split among the call of duty pro community as to players using mouse and keyboard or controller. Now you can see just how overpowered aim assist has become because 99% of all call of duty pros play on controller because especially with an already high skill level that they have the aim assist just buffs that even more.
As a lifelong controller player, I tried MnK and couldn’t handle the keyboard. The mouse, however, was pretty easy to aim with immediately. Made shots at range SOOO much easier. At the time, I would’ve said strong aim assist was necessary for controller players. Now (5 years later) I think you’re right, it’s gotten too strong. It does allow less skilled players to win gunfights they shouldn’t. And worse (for me) is it will get you killed taking on 2-3 people. All it takes is for you to commit to shooting someone, and their teammate crosses in front of you. It’ll drag your aim right off of who you’re shooting, but behind the other guy, so you’re not landing shots on anyone anymore. For sure, rotational aim assist should get at least 30%. I think your numbers are spot on. I would even be okay with 50%. I wonder… I haven’t experimented with the other aim assist settings. You think there’s one already in game that people can use that does just that? Does precision aim assist resemble that?
Absolutely great video with an unbiased look at this problem. all CoD players and especially all the devs working on the game should really see this. Great job pal.
AA is so broken it need to be nerfed to the ground, rollers literally don't need to do anything just slightly move right stick and boom it sticks to you and never will go, also they need huge recoil change, or at worse give soft AA to PC players because you literally play different game when you are on controller
I think you hit the nail on the head. It'll increase the "skill gap". I've only been on WZ for about three years moving from old console to gaming rig etc... investing more time into it. I literally hadn't gamed for over a decade.
I started out on controller and decided to move to KbM on WZ2 (Bad Idea) but I actually finished with a better KD than WZ1. I've decided to stick with because I genuinely enjoy that its more satisfying and harder. You literally have to play different, set up guns different, take fights different and all the rest.
What always surprised me the most about this community it constantly screams for "skill gap" but won't discuss the easiest way to achieve that by reducing AA or at least altering it. People want more movement, more health... well now they have those and their still not happy. Its like people are that scared of losing their KD they don't care about being given a crutch.