What is Genuine Leather? - 5 Tips to Avoid Buying BAD GENUINE LEATHER
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
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Genuine leather can be a confusing and frustrating term in leather working and leather products. In my leather 101 video i briefly covered the topic but didn't cover it in depth enough so this video is 100% devoted to answering the question, "What is Genuine Leather". I also threw in 5 tips on how to avoid buying bad genuine leather.
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I just always assumed that 'genuine' leather meant a product made entirely of leather! Quite shocking to learn the truth. Very informative video.
Literally how would you think that
Makes no sense
My dainese D1 out boots are "genuine Italian leather" but the things are fucking 70% plastic
Could you plz hlp me to tell which quality leather is best for wallet, belt, and leather craft. Must mansion leather thickness plz. Your videos r really hlpfull for me.
@@figdot - full-grain bovine leather is very high quality.
Lol now you know why marketing makes a shit ton of money
You gotta ask if it's 100% leather, not if it's a 100% genuine leather . Fully leather question might receive a weasle answer . Honey can also be blended and still sold say as genuine Manuka honey when the Manuka honey portion is say 20% . Actually there's a honey coincidentally called leatherwood honey which these days is always blended and sold as genuine leatherwood. Very expensive.
that nickelback burn tho xd well played
That was a Touuuuu'Che moment, haha.
I must add this also, Duuuhhhh.
You might even say they got toasted 😹
Likespike @1:07 ?
ha ha i learned to new words from this comment thread, "Likespike" and "Toasted" both will immediately be shoehorned into my vocab
guess what I said to amazon when the genuine leather product I bought started falling apart? I want my nickel back! 😩
zing! solid implementation of the video content and the nickleback joke
Dang, that’s a good one
Always support small businesses. From the food we eat to the clothes we wear, supporting a small local business is the best you can do.
Thanks David 🙂
And then corona virus shut down small business and thousands of people killed themselves while the leftists say things like we need to increase wages for Walmart employees and extend the lock down
@@ChaosBW im in San Francisco, socialist leftwing hotspot, and I never had to close my business at all, not for a single day.
A "genuine leather bound book" can genuinely, be a book. Genuinely. So book. Much leather.
Reconstituted split leather is like calling OSB or MDF "genuine wood".
word-smithing at it's finest
@@RoseAnvil I applaud your sentiments about supporting local artisans and makers simply on the basis of honesty and transparency. Big companies with accountants and shareholders to return value for easily cut corners, reducing an item down to a profitable level and not up to a standard. I wear both DMs and Solovairs, as does my wife. DM now being a corporate entity, passed around and sold like a money generating machine, cannot be expected to produce products at the standard they were in the 80s/70s. It just cannot work in their corporate state. Their quality is everything I expected it to be.
I had some Nickelback tickets on the passenger seat of my car, and I popped into the shop for just five minutes.
When I came back, someone had smashed the window and left two more.
Keep up the good work, Wes!
Haha shit!
Learning what Genuine Leather is really changed the way I looked at leather products. I was quite shocked to know that some shops that sell pretty much exclusively leather bags didn't even know what leather the bags were.
Ya that is super common especially with big companies
What are Italian Nappa Leathers?
@@marchveris Napa means nothing. It's a trade name that gets applied to all sorts of thin glove or other soft flexible leathers
@@TL-angzarr Another name for genuine leather I see.
marchveris a quick google search says it’s a full grain leather
"support local makers" the most important thing, love this video
The expensive leather says 'Genuine Horween' though, which is an entirely different claim than 'genuine leather'. It's a bit like saying you have a 'genuine Rolex' and other products saying 'genuine watch'.
i was about to point this out myself
The leather that Red Wing produces, which is good quality full-grain leather, is also stamped "genuine leather." But Red Wing is very transparent about what the leather is. If a company doesn't tell you anything about the leather, other than to say that it is leather, that's when you need to be wary.
I always read it as "Genuine Shell Cordovan" but either way my point was that not everything that says "genuine" on it is low quality.
The word "genuine" is referring to "shell cordovan" they just made the brand name the center focal point because brand recognition. That's why "genuine" and "shell cordovan" are the same size.
@@whitemakesright2177 And it shows red wings are tough as hell. Beat them senseless for years no cracks tears nothing.
If you play a Nickelback song backwards, you'll hear messages from The Devil. Even worse, if you play it forward, you'll hear Nickelback.-Dave Grohl
this has remained one of my favorites
5:04 Genuine Toaster stamp, now literally most expensive leather in the world.
the #toastygang stamp of approval
"Top grain" throws me off too, since it's not the top of the leather.
That's funny. I have never really thought of that.
That one still trips me up from time to time too
top grain leather is the top but it’s sanded off to illuminate all the little imperfections
It's almost sad that some leather goods producers, who use full grain leather simply state on their product and website that the product is genuine leather. In the last month, I contacted two of them who came back to me with a reply stating that it is indeed full-grain leather. - both were small businesses in North America. They don't even seem to know the significance of stating that a product is full-grain leather.
Saying "Genuine" really is something to be careful about for sure.
@@RoseAnvil Exactly. Thanks for this video.
@@RoseAnvil Oh, by the way, I live about an hour's drive from where Nickelback got started... no joke.
notificationgang
woop woop
Gang gang
The last time I was this early to a video, I was the one who posted the video...
gang
Problem is that because "genuine" leather products are made too look beautiful, they tend to be more expensive than the real leather products
I do require more Toaster paws in the future videos! Please?
deal
Genuine faux leather
That's the "good" stuff xD
or "genuine vegan leather"
Rose Anvil “genuine Corinthian leather”
id love to see the Vegan Doc Martins being tested, thanks for the great vids.
I've been trying to thing of ways to test the vegan leather against real leather so if you have any thoughts i would love to hear them.
@@RoseAnvil I found it really interesting that back then "vegan leather" was called something else like synthetic leather or pleather and then associated as cheap.
Just like the term genuine, adding Vegan into synthetic leather really helped popularize it.
@@doices9786 They should just go with "Oil based material" ;)
@@RoseAnvil Something similar to what you did with the docs vrs solovair would be good, as well as the classic cut in half of course
@@hejdingamleraev oil based material, are you referring to petroleum or other products?
As a horse owner, I can't bring myself to own shell cordovan. I know its the best stuff around but just can't justify it. Great video though!
GeneSun 100%
@GeneSun Lmao
Is it better for dead horses to just rot away? No horses are slaughtered just for the purpose of making shell cordovan. It is a byproduct, so that when you have to put a horse down, it's not a total waste. Same thing with eating the horse meat. Every year, horses have to be killed. It's just a fact of life, and it's never going to change. Making cordovan from the horse's shell, and horsehide leather from the rest of the hide, goes a little way towards making the horse's death not be in vain.
@GeneSun I like steak too. I guess for me the bond is different with horses.
@@whitemakesright2177 Where do allthe slaughtered horses hides go? I know when horses are put down that sometimes times they are composted or rendered.
Hi I'm a leather worker in the UK I would like to know if I can post this video on my Facebook page it's Spartan leather work thanks for another awesome video
Cheers
Tim coles
Spartan leather work
Yeah! Go ahead. Thanks for the help Tim!
Every video you put out has been quality, I haven't missed an upload since I started watching and I appreciate what you're doing to educate people so they know what they're really buying.
Thank you, it has been really fun! having all the support makes it worth it
hey man, really like your content. as a leather connaisseur i find myself in a predicament: i have some vegan friends that refuse to buy leather shoes/apparel fearing it may directly influence the unnecessary slaughter of animals. i've tried to talk sense into them and tell them as long as they dont buy super high end shoes it shouldn't upset the balance because most "mainstream" bovine leather comes from the meat industry but they still dont believe me so i've pretty much given up. i'd like to hear your take on the matter, maybe in a future video? :)
I've been thinking about tackling that topic but i really have to have my ducks in a row to make sure i don't miss anything
tell your vegan friends they are also commiting a crime by eating baby spinach and lettuce and baby potatoes etc by not letting them grow so they should try and survive on air,water and soil
im a leather connoisseur and a vegan. the main thing that has the biggest impact on the environment and animals is eating animals daily or at all. i believe that having small but meaningful leather items (shoes, belts, wallets, etc..) isn’t exactly ethical but serves a purpose because of its superior durability and patina over time. Leather is also biodegradable unlike synthetic leather. faux leather is horrible for the environment and in turn, the animals suffer from the pollution. you dont have to be extreme as a vegan, just be ethical and mindful of the amount of animals you kill to sustain yourself.
If you accept their logic of not eating meat then I do not see a problem in their logic of not using leather from the meat industry.
Alexandru cel Bun please tell your vegan friends that I’ve just killed a cow because it was eating their food. They’re welcome! 😜
Video starts at 5:38
I learned a lot about leather products here on your channel, can't be more thankful to be honest.
Hi, I've been really enjoying watching your vids since finding you recently. Would love to see more of how the motorbike is coming along & definitely more of Toaster : ) All the best from Scotland.
I've been really feeling the need to work on the bike, so there will probably be a video coming out soon especially with spring on it's way
Genuine leather sucks. As does bonded leather, but I'll tell you what. Maybe it's the glue, but my old genuine bonded leather bible smells SOOOOOO GOOOOOOD!!!!!
Nickelback fan accidentally walks into the Blue Oyster Bar and the barman says: "Here comes our most frequent patron!"
Sorry, I tried.
amazing effort
When I think back, it makes sense. I didn't really know what it was about that word that slowly started to take on a different meaning in my head. "oh. its genuine leather. Just like the last genuine leather product I bought? And the one before that? Which have all decayed so fast and so drastically that it feels disgusting to wear.
This is literally life changing information and I will do my part to pass it on. Thank you sir.
Didn't realize this was a comedy channel!♥️
I got jokes on occasion
I’m loving the nickel back jokes!!!!
I wonder if the same knowledge can be used to grade other types of leather. In this case, Ostrich, Kangaroo, Crocodile/ Alligator, Lizard, snake, etc.
Why does Nickelback get so much hate? Their music is just fine, I like a lot of their songs!
I bought a leather belt in Italy and it says genuine leather and is definitely a single piece of full grain leather. I hate how watered down that term can be
Hello!! I have two questions:
1. Crazy Horse Leather - What does it mean?
2. Whats the best way to preserve a leather boot?
keep up the good work, I love your videos.
As a Canadian who despises Nickelback but enjoys much of Beck, this was both informative and hilarious.
Haha 😂 Glad I could do both of those for you.
I've had an Alpine Swiss wallet for 5 years now and it's been through alot. It's been waterlogged, went through basic training with me, got ran over one time by my buddy's truck. It still holds strong. Paying for good quality is always a must.
TALKING CRAP ON NICKELBACK!
- idubbbz
Haha. I get carried away sometimes. 😂
In México the companies put the material of the belt or "leather" product.
I dont remember quite well but its by law cause México has a big leather market.
Once i was looking for a Genuine leather belt and most of the belts i saw were, bonded, synth, regenerated and took me a while to find a real leather one ( i knew which belt was leather AND which ones not because of the mark in the belt that says if its synth or Genuine).Not even Levis uses real leather anymore
Carhart makes legit leather belts at a reasonable price. At least Im pretty sure its full grain or the best composite ever. Im not cutting my daily belt open to find out. But its durable enough Ive worn the plating off the buckle lol.
I know all the words to Nickelback's Rockstar.
Unfortunately that isn't a joke. (I blame CanCon laws and being young when it came out)
How unfortunate.
These leather 101 videos should be a prerequisite to anyone thinking about doing leather work or becoming a maker. They are so informative and just lay the info out in a perfect balance of humor and facts. Love what you are doing.✌
Generally a high quality leather product will specify what the leather is, be it full grain, top grain, reverse/rough out suede, or split suede. Often they will also specify the type of hide, e.g. cowhide, calf, bullhide, steerhide, horse hide, etc. If the product description doesn't say anything but "leather," that's a bad sign.
It's always nice when they do that. Thanks for sharing.
90-95% of consumers don't know anything about the types of leather. only those who are industry know the actual difference
I'm part of it but still learning...
I just found out your channel, it's been pretty informative. I like what you're doing and hope you do a cut of Red Wings eventually.
I am hoping to review all the Red Wing Boots eventually.
@@RoseAnvil Yeah I heard you say you might do so eventually if people were interested in one video. I'm just showing my interest.
I've never heard one Nickelback song. I've only heard people hate on them, at some point I'll work up the energy to search for them and listen to see if it's actually that bad
They aren't all bad. 😅
Thanks for clearing it all up.
All I knew was that if it was labeled genuine, it was 100% treated animal hide.
The Horween doesn't say Genuine Leather it reads Genuine Shell Cordovan. Many people may not know Cordovan is not a leather, so maybe you could go into some detail of the difference and as to why it is so expensive. Thanks for the vids.
ya it was more of just a way to show that the word "genuine" can be used in a positive way in leather
Your left shoulder sits higher than the right. If you experience back, shoulder, or neck pain, you can have a massage therapist help you with the left shoulder tension. Stretching it after some light exercise can help too. Thanks for the always informative content.
1974 Chrysler cars could be ordered with rich Corinthian leather. The term was meaningless but sounded so good in the commercials. Standards are great because there are so many genuine options to choose from.
Good to know.
My favorite nickleback joke is just....well.... Nickleback.😂😂😂
Nice 😂
The other big lie is Naugahyde. I've heard rumors out there but never seen a Nauga.
Very informative. Thanks for the clarification on leather types. Whoever coined the term "genuine leather" to represent the crappy stuff did a great PR job.
Top level jerk.
love your videos, its so good to see somebody informing people on all these things and how to find high quality items. Id love to see a review and breakdown of the Vegan doc martins to see hoe they hold up as they claim to be more durable, thanks.
So, you like Nickleback.. okay i forgive you. i like one of their songs.
And the lowest part is sold as rawhide.
Thanks for sharing.
cut the nike af1 in half!!! its supposed to be leather
Please make a video for Schott perfecto leather jackets
Support local makers. Btw LKG your next I cant way :D.
Yaaaa that vid should be coming soon
There was a time where you heard nickelback songs everywhere daily.
So glad that's over with.
I remember those days.
If I bought a Nickelback album for a Nickel, I'd want my Nickel back.
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, gave we found the perfect location for a Nickelback concert?
Wow. That was solid! 🤣
I really love your videos, thank you for all of the great content you provide. The more I learn about leather, the more I respect it as a high quality material. You and other leather UA-camrs have inspired me to try my hand at the craft. Keep up the good work!
Wow. Thanks so much for the support! 🙂
So a genuine Nickelback song would be even worse than a fully Nickelback song? Hard to imagine!
[BTW, awesome videos.]
This guy is great. I loved his videos and I stopped by his shop and he really took the time to show me his process and was very personable and he cares about his customers just as much as he cares about using high quality leather . I 1000% support local leather workers!!
🥰
What’s the full grain belt that you showed in the video? Where can I get one?
It’s the micro adjust belt that I make!
Genuine Leather or 100% Genuine Leather = Craps or the lowest quality leather.
JUST BUY TOP-GRAINS OR FULL-GRAIN LEATHER
I just saved your 7 minutes and 30 seconds of your life.
No thanks needed.
I have been up I have been Down to the Bottom of Every Bottle. Kinda Like People Calling all Hook & Loop "VELCRO" . Use Velcro in your ebay Listing and you could get slapped with a Vero Violation. I Bypass this Trademark Crap By simply Misspelling VELCRO / VELKRO LOL True Story.... Im Going to go down to the bottom of this bottle Are we Having Fun Yet???///???
Loved the Nickelback dis, could not agree more.
Glad you can relate! 😂
When i was younger i would get belts made with that stuff. They would disintegrate pretty quickly
there's 1 thing I still don't understand is: how do you split leather? if you split it in 2, are both halves useable?
Cheers
They use a giant horizontal bandsaw without teeth. Both sides can be useable depending on the thickness
@@RoseAnvil wow impressive, thanks
*Grabs mic*: Sir, I have several questions:
1: Why was Toaster not in this Vid? Want face no feet!
2: What are things not to ask your local leather person?
3: Can you please do more cat-themed vid? Dunno, make something for Toaster like a DIY vid so others can follow. #CatObessessors
4: Are you aware you obtained another sub, as this subbie initially clicked on a vid of yours, seeing Toaster in a preview play of your vids, then got confused because she was introduced to 2 tomcats; a ginger and a bearded one?
The invisible question: Are you single?
Thanks for the very educational video!
My friend likes to joke around and say very happily "made with 100% imitation leather!!" Haha Also, if you ask for comments, you may want to interact or at least like the comments. Just a suggestion.
It’s hard starting out in the leather business, with people saying, “well, on Etsy they are selling a leather “x” for this much”, can you compete with that? If you want top/full grain, hand dyed, hand stitched, then no I can’t. I live in Utah, where “value” and cheap prices rule.
Cool video, great info. Now … my friend loves NickleBack, he said he had tickets, if I wanted to go? I said, No I don’t like Rap Music ! He lost it,,, till this day it’s an ongoing joke. He tries to make fun of me by telling people I really thought it was a Rap group.
Cracks me up. Cheers !
Yeah number5 is hard to go by now, watching your video after being scammed by a "handmade" leather bags producer. Can't even trust mom n pops. SMH, should've done 1and2 thoroughly
That would make the argument that the material biodegrades a 100% for leather like that completely useless... might as well buy 100% hemp shoes... but are they made out of 100% hemp? Nobody knows. Might be plastic made out of hemp parts or sth? Then again, could that be recycled? And even if it was a 100% hemp, where could I bring it to let it degrade? Would they even believe me even if I still had the invoice or would they ask for a certificate? I need answers, damn it
Most glove companies Kip is the top shelf best you can get besides Horween I believe don't quote me on that I'm not 100%on that ,but then a step down for about 100$ less they have Steerhide, although Buckler is the opposite their Kip is cheaper than Steerhide and Texas Steerhide is their most expensive!? Idk!?
Thanks. Your leather quality lessons gave me a lot more confidence when I went to buy a couch. I could easily tell the quality of the "leather" couches they were selling. Then I found a full grain Italian leather couch that I really liked and felt good about buying it. I looked up the maker (Soft Line) and found that they specialize in Italian leather goods, too. It has a soft, but not quite suede surface, which I'm not sure how they did, but it's clearly quality material.
Glad somebody is making a clear video about this important topic. I have noticed that Exotic Leathers online are almost always called “genuine” and I’m curious if the situation is the same and where I can find, for example, high quality exotic leather boots.
I recently purchased a "Genuine" Leather jacket on Amazon but was disappointed with the quality of the jacket.
It looks like leather but is really tough and stiff. Is there any way I can soften it up?
Please advise. C.
Did you know if you play a Nickelback song backwards you can hear messages from the devil. Even worse if you play it forwards, you can hear Nickelback.
Good video though, learn something new every day
"Are there products that are stamped with "Genuine" that are high quality"
Bro Horweeen doesn't stamp genuine on there to tell you the grain type. They mean "this is a legitimate Horween leather" Strawman argument. Just say it. All leather products that are stamped "genuine" and have no other indicators as to leather type or grain structure are TRASH.
Needs more visual examples...
What is the nicer belt in the video?
Take a look at the US regulations on naming requirements. "It is unfair or deceptive to use the unqualified term “leather” or other unqualified terms suggestive of leather to describe industry products unless the industry product so described is composed in all substantial parts of leather". So, no, I don't think it's allowed to stamp that book or that belt as "genuine leather". And, in fact, the book is stamped "genuine bonded leather", which is accurate. So, no, bonded leather can't be called "genuine leather". In fact, the rules specifically call out bonded leather, saying "A material in an industry product that contains ground, pulverized, shredded, reconstituted, or bonded leather and thus is not wholly the hide of an animal should not be represented, directly or by implication, as being leather",.
Hey man, love your channel. I feel bad saying this but check out Trickers shoes, I personally couldn't bare to watch you wreck them but it would be amazing. Keep up the great work Sir 😉
What's your opinion of Buffalo Jackson's messenger bags made of "buffalo leather", made in India?
Thank you so much for cutting through the confusion. I'd love to see a video on tips for buying the best leather possible with the least amount of money.
Why the merciless hate towards nickelback?
I don't know. I must have been in a weird mood or something. But I have never really been a fan.
I really miss the meme for Nickelback's song "Photograph" or maybe it was a vine. But he'd just say "look at this graph" and there would be a picture of a graph of something or another.
I’m starting to guess, if my Coach bag is actual leather. I’m just curious because my coworker who is an old man said my bag isn’t real leather. It’s pigs skin as he said lol. But the dreamer shoulder bag made with glovetanned leather with leather interior. So I’m not sure. But I recently ordered a full grain leather bag from Portland Leather Goods.
Aussie saddlemaker here, always ask the seller if it is solid leather cut from a hide or side of leather, anything less that yes it is solid 100% leather, steer clear of it. Also, ask the warrantee period, anything less than 12 months preferably two years, steer clear of it. if your leather product is noticably deteriorating within a few months, take it back and ask for your money back.
Best way to be sure, is to go to a craft market and ask the belt maker if they made the belt themselves. Or a saddlemakers shop (not a saddle selling shop, these guys import, they usually do not make). Look for the workshop inside the shop, this will confirm they make their own products. No self respecting saddlemaker will have crap leather or non leather in his or her shop, makes our skin crawl.
One customer brought a narrow black belt to me to check, it was made of cardboard on the inside and vinyl on the outside, lasted a few weeks. The customer liked the buckle, so I make a solid leather strap and added the buckle to it. With all the left behind crap belts, I sometimes think of creating a wall of shame! I am glad this video presenter made this video, there should be more of these types of videos.
1) very appreciative of this info
2) will definitely buy your stuff!
3) the joke is "nickelback".
Very informative video. Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the support. 🙂
Motorcycle pavement racers use kangaroo leather, because it is light and strong. I like using a layer of Fluid Film spray from a Lowes store, then Mothers VLR spray made for car interiors for vinyl, leather and rubber. Mazda mid-level models have a nice fake leather, and the newer ones are heated for the winter. I also sometimes use Hemp hand cream from Walmart for leather- mostly coconut oil, and your skin is a type of leather, still alive. I recommend getting water buffalo leather from India, they are recycling their living tractor and need the cash more than most.
Hi. I hope, pray and fast my solid/single piece genuine leather belt is a good genuine leather belt:-)
It doesn't look bonded, I took the cut (when it was custom cut at the mall) and I'm using a for diamonds magnifying glass, it seems to have a bit of full grain or top grain.
I bought a leather bag from leatherjackson.com. The quality i got was insane, it was original as they promised. And yepp it was made of real buffalo leather. They have pretty premium looking bags. And ya that was mah first leather bag. Kudos to the leatherjackson.com team!!!
Honestly he's right that's the way to go if you actually want leather products. The leather "selection on Amazon is ridiculous some are forth coming and say faux or pu leather but other right in the middle of affordable and expensive still wanna say genuine or full grain leather and it's not. Shame SMH
Thank you. But I have a question that's a lot tougher to answer. I reside in India, where rules are much laxer, and price indicators very unreliable. Could you tell me how, at a shoe store, I could tell the quality of leather I am looking at? Especially if I can't see the cross section that's shown in most explanatory videos on UA-cam.
I live in Poland and Norway. I am looking for a wallet since 2 years now! I tried all over and can't find a decent one. And just don't start me on a belt subject. All are some sort of compressed fibers. I want to spend money for a good product, but I just can't find it anywhere. I will be trying a Samsonite wallet soon, but I am still looking for a belt made of one piece of hard leather.
What’s the quality of Harley Davidson’s jackets? The pricey ones?
You are right, but here you are talking about bovine leather, which always has to be split, because it’s very thick. Nobody splits lambskin or sheepskin as they are already thin enough, hence they are automatically full-grain.