The Dangerous Radicalization of Gender Rhetoric | with Stella O'Malley & Eliza Mondegreen
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Stella O'Malley of @widerlenspod and Eliza Mondegreen join me to speak about the increasingly radical and dangerous rhetoric surrounding the gender discourse, and to talk about the upcoming @Genspect conference in Killarney, Ireland.
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Guys, what happened in NZ WAS proper violence, we are way past the point of this entering the realm of proper violence.
The transgender shooting at the Christian grade school in Tennessee was “proper” violence as well.
Eliza, you HAVE to sue your university. We have to have precedence set for these things. That's horrific. And your school did shit to protect you, support you, apologize to you......seriously.
The was orwellian! holy F!
people who are shouting down and intimidating others for attempting to have an exchange of ideas do not belong at school. It’s so depressing how commonplace it’s become on campus
True. But most schools have been captured by these ideas.
The alarming thing is the news media here in New Zealand keep referring to Kellie-Jay Keen as an anti-trans activist. The media also give air to the views of the trans-activists, and without challenging their violent hateful on-line rhetoric.
One of our two TV news channels, News Hub, blurred out Kellie-Jay's hand at one point to suggest that she made a far right gesture. I saw the original- she was merely fidgiting with her zipper tag.
The MSM were reporting on this before KJKeen arrived in NZ - in hindsight, MSM seemed to be laying the ground for all this hateful response on the subsequent violent hate filled day in Auckland. They lied about KJK, and stirred up hate toward the concerned Let Women Speak women.
I was gobsmacked. Logic, common sense, and in-depth investigative journalism went out the window.
An intersex person poured tomato soup on KJK's head. That person is bragging gleefully about it on twitter. And adds the word 'slaaaaay' on their comments, referring to the women they hate as fascists. That old n🅰️Zℹ trope yet again. Bullies.
After that tomato soup incident at the Auckland event, the haters are creating hateful memes featuring bottles of tomato soup.
A mainstream newspaper here featured cartoons of KJK as an evil trojan horse.
They are putting icons such as on their twitter handles 🍅🍅🍅
KJ Keen is hardly an antitrans activist. She has no opinion about women who identify as men
The timing of this conversation is really quite spectacular, in light of recent events.
Indeed
It took them so long to release the terrorists name because they wanted time to delete their social media and manifesto
I thought I dunnit with a comment the day before ~the trans movement looked like the embrace and amplify play: building the better pitible. Maybe even one to rule them all.
That brief experience of thinking you triggered it is likely common among people who follow pitible movements. They're the nuts succeeding in blaming you (whoever 'you' is) for their maladies and disregulation anyway, and it affects you more than you think. Hence, Belleview ... and probably witch hunts (for 'real' witches) & lobotomies.
And even so with the shooter being trans, they tried to leverage the narrative into making the scumbag a trans floyd under the guise of trans self defense. It didn’t work, but man it shows how bad they want and need a sacrificial lamb to advance the dialectic. I’m sure the most zealous in the cult were actually gleeful with the chance, especially since I’ve seen some of the twitter brigade celebrate the shooter. I fear it’s only a matter of time before they get the spark to the fire they need.
Hi everyone, I was with Eliza that day at McGill University. I am the one that ended on the floor. I got up and continued filming the whole thing.
I was so grateful for the comparison between therapists and the wizard behind the curtain. For a long time, I was convinced that I needed to seek therapy for some deeply embedded issues from my childhood that were impacting my ability to bond with my parents and sisters, and subsequently my husband. After years of thinking I couldn’t overcome these hang-ups on my own, I came to realize that’s definitely not true and I definitely don’t need the help of a therapist.
I think therapy can be helpful in certain circumstances but it’s also a major grift.
Agreed. Sometimes the client is more functional than the therapist.
@@SL-es5kb I agree.
I can say that I have been suggested therapy at various stages in my life, and cooperated with therapists - but it never was meaningful. For one thing, therapy seemed navel-gazing. I would, for example, want to discuss the fact that I feel depressed about the thought of doing this same monotonous job for 20 more years. Then the therapist wants me to describe my relationship with my mother and father - rather than help me do anything to make my life more meaningful.
For another, it never feel like they understood me or helped me with any new ideas I haven't considered before. In the end, I ascribed it to me not being neurotypical, so what may work to reprogram someone else's brain won't work for mine, the same way you can't use Windows patches on Linux.
@@rethaf4387 There are clinical psychologists like Jordan Peterson who will take a more proactive approach and assign you small tasks to fulfil each week that serve to help you confront your fears or address your insecurities or whatever else is relevant to your situation. I can see the value of that kind of therapy, but as you say, the navel-gazing type I think only deepens the person’s neuroses and provides a reason for them to stay entrapped within them.
Phill Stutz too!
Two absolutely brilliant women! (And you're not bad, either, Benjamin). As a mom caught in this web, thank you so much for your hard work on behalf of parents and children.
I assume you know of "Our Duty", and Erin Friday's story.
When my kid was going through a rough patch, he had no interest in talking to a counsellor of any sort. I benefited greatly from talking to a therapist. It gave me more confidence in my parenting! The counsellor was a wonderful guy.
i have been a long time viewer Benjamin, and this episode is by far the BEST episode on this explosive and consequential subject. Also , the most intelligent and calm conversation i have ever seen on the subject! Love these two.
Pseudo-arguments and surrogate concepts. Pretty much sums up large swaths of research and discourse in many disciplines at this moment. And yes, Stella completely nails it with how over-excited people get with being part of the latest, newest thing, the "cutting edge," indeed!
Tenure isn't granted to the meek and comptetent
The psychiatry industry on the whole is a primary guilty party in all this mess. Without the medicalisation of these kids, these kids WOULD NOT even have these delusions. It's 100% enabled by the pseudoscience of psychiatry. It's a disgrace.
@tallard666 ... It is not an issue with the psychiatry industry, as a whole.. it is with the trans activist cult members who are psychiatrists. They have made a one for one trade off of the Hippocratic Oath for Trans Activist cult ideology. This is why they now call themselves "gender affirming", when this is 100% antithetical to the entire reason they BECAME psychiatrists in the first place! They went from examination of WHY a person is having mental or psychological issues / trauma and seeking to correct where that person has gone astray from society / health to ..."You say you are born in the wrong body, eh? Well, l will refer you to someone who can get you help with that". That "patient" (sucker, in that therapists mind), is then sent to Planned Parent hood or other for new pronouns and HRT. Sadly, most were indoctrinated with the trans activist cult and NEVER had to sell the Hippocratic Oath, they just sold themselves down the river of the trans activist cult.
@@NinjaKittyBonks Nope. Homophobic Shrinks were calling homosexuals "born in the wrong body" in the 1800s. This is THEIR doing.
I can see how society could end up a mix of the books and movies .....The giver ..a brave new world ..the island and 1984 all mixed together
It just occurred to me after listening to Stella talk about marketing estrogen & testosterone in the 90's. My great aunt was put on hormone replacement post menopause through Kaiser, after being on this protocol for over 30 years and doing well they ripped them away and let her go cold turkey into full menopause in her late 80's (sometime in the 2000's). There was some study that determined they were harmful and caused more harm (cancer) than good -- Kaiser company-wide refused to prescribe them. It's a real eye-opener that trans people get huge doses of cross-sex hormones (way more than a normal person's level) in a body that was not designed that way. What's the rationale? I would think HRT for menopause and cross hormone therapy are more alike than different as far as harmful long term consequences.
Imo, Great Aunt wasn't served by Kaiser helping her reduce her cancer risk at age 80, but that's how large corporate, communist, and govt bureaucracies typically do things. One flat rule, no common sense exceptions.
Same for opioids maybe, when they are addictive but some people _need_ them.
Anyhow, I agree with the rest of your comment.
I was on full-time HRT for 5 years to help me cope with unusually large swings and variations in my oestrogen levels. The treatment saved my sanity, allowing me to progress through menopause with more comfort and fewer nights of terror where I thought I was about to die.
Thank goodness for modern medicine. My mother wasn’t so lucky and had a terrible time during her own menopause when HRT hadn’t been developed, eventually having a complete nervous breakdown.
Thank you, BB. Thanks, Stella and Eliza. It gives me great hope to see work and conversations like this being done during these "interesting times" in our fossil record. Don't stop. :)
So many nuggets of gold in this discussion. My favorite is the idea of promoting the trend away from medical treatments, which will immediately remove much of the danger of gender ideology, and we can question "gender identity" - a religious notion - later. My other favorite is the idea of removing the medical interventions from insurance because they are merely cosmetic - and should be treated as such (which is more honest). Along with that, I appreciate the idea that, if insurance does cover gender transition, it must also cover secondary complications and every aspect of detransition. I can't wait to read your book, Stella, and look forward to Eliza's eventual book. Benjamin, I've been listening to you for years now, and really appreciate your commitment to exposing truth in the gender world. I hope the Genspect conference is a resounding success!
In very limited cases, breast reduction surgery is covered. But a senior woman ('cis' woman to be explicit), who has a thinning vaginal wall and so cannot have sex at all without severe pain, the estrogen treatments are not offered and must be pain out of pocket. So the situation is legitimate issues performing one's natural sex roles are not covered but the extremes required for sex transition is. This is insanity.
“How do they do a day of vengeance?”
Welp.
@Katherine Ici ... They continue to ramp up the minions of hate and wait for the dam to break!
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Not a good move to make 8n the USA after this particular shooting 🤔 Really shows their deluded mindset
Wow, this conversation is timely. Looking forward!
Another point to be made about the current state of things is that this is what humanity really really is at its "finest".
Its extremely messy, depraved , and cut throat. All sides are fighting, and all positions being used. This is what at the base line of all things "human" really is about. Its about struggle and how it is an endless war that well never be won. We are seeing one of the great war of our history right now, and as predicted all sides are eating each other and its come down to the worn out and tired adage of:
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
As a squirrel, I'm such a sucker for Stella's accent. Eliza. you're okay too! ❤❤🐿 Thanks B squared!
What's a squirrel in this context?
@@roneythetube The furry little critter that frolics about and chews through my home's electrical wiring :p
Great talk!!
As a CASA you are trained to look at the entire picture of a child's life. You are trained to help children slow down, weigh options, consider healthiest choices and try out long term thinking. Trans says these values are irrelevant. No, they are the heart of nurture, shelter, and care.
Stella is giving lip service to those ideas , but then ultimately claims outrageously that bans in pediatric " affirmation" protocols are supposedly "extreme ". Genspect exists for double messaging , and for fully owning the " middle ground " in ways favourable to the trans industry, and more particularly for those who have other reasons for wanting to keep child sterilization and developmental disruption within " respectable" options . Stella is a convincing actor , but she is playing a roll in a full narrative control game . She is not to be mistaken for genuine voices like Helen Joyce etc.
Do rewatch the Genspect film critically if you are unsure about this. Notice the double messaging. It is only critical of early intervention/ medical transition if you want to read it that way. It also provides a parallel reassurance narrative ( basically " your regrets won't be that bad, if you have them) to young people wanting that message , and makes a point of curating a very unrepresentatively unproblematic set of outcomes .
Genspect's star lineup of mostly transactivists ( including at one stage a well known peddler of early trans , recast in an intersex impersonator role ) should also give pause , especially given some still advise very early transition.
@@georginawhitby1320 I'm so glad I'm not the only one who finds genspect sus. Anyone who believes in trutrans™ is a red flag to me.
@@georginawhitby1320 thanks for your comment, this is very Interesting. Which Genspect film are you referring to, there are several linked on their website?
I wonder if O'Malley would consider the event at the Nashville school is representative of the tipping point of violence . She saw it coming.
@Frances Burger ... Interesting question, but we all can predict the future of a society, particularly the trans activist cult, that goes as far away as possible to AVOID the objective reality that trans is a mental / psychological illness. To compound it MUCH further, we are seeing most of the mainstream news outlets, focusing their headlines on the concerns of "misgendering" the shooter! The priorities of the left have gone so catastrophically south, that the very discussion of why things like this happen, are verboten. Society blames the gun... they blame the police... they blame politicians and lawmakers, hell... their are many who are blaming DW, and supporting those who blame, but GROSSLY misleading or outright lying coverage.
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When society deems that cross-sex hormones, new pronouns and a scalpel be the best way to address what is ailing the TikTok generation, it is easy to foresee issues like this 😿
Eliza, I’m so sorry to hear what’s happened to you and your friend (and the other 2 people). How frightening for you. If you have experienced any symptoms of trauma, past 6 weeks, please consider EMDR treatment.
I feel dumb struck after listening to this. Like this video has documented an important moment. Take care all at the conference. Take care.
@Amber Redish ... I fear that the powers that be will take issue with this video and Benjamin may be strong armed to take it down. If so, hit up The Rumbles and LINKS in description for other platforms
What a great thought provoking discussion. Sending love and support to Eliza, always wonderful to hear your clear & brave observations.
That was an excellent show. Thank you all
Most enjoyable! Thank you Benjamin 😊
@Vix Logic ... Thank you for watching 🐈⬛head bonk
Wow! You mentioned New Zealand.
When Posie Parker was here a few months ago I was still entirely divorced from the trans issue. Her presence on NZ media i interpreted as something bad about her. I even thought she might be a bad person.
I live in Auckland, and I was very aware of what took place.
Since she was here, I accidentally came across Helen Joyce on YT. HOLY MOLY WHAT A WOMAN.
It's because of Helen's wisdom, knowledge and tremendous linguistic skills that I plunged right down deep into the trans rabbit hole.
Later, I learned, Posie Parker is just a straight up, simple activist for the right thing.
Now I'm one, too.
Paul
70yo
White man
Hey Benjamin, could you please make a short video of Eliza's story of trying to attend a talk at her University--and how the event was shut down then totally erased? I'd like to share it.
@Amy Lombardi... For a brief period of time, Benjamin _was_ making some shorts. However, while UA-cam pushes creators quite hard to make those shorts, they do not do so for those who "wrong think" and Mr. Benjamin is just such a voice. The bigger issue is the labor intensity of creating them with a one-man operation, such as The Boyce of Reason. I too would like to see more of these shorts, so am hoping a person willing to navigate, edit and compile them would seek out Mr. Benjamin and make a pitch 🐱
You can make one [on the YT platform here] yourself using the "clip" function under the video I believe. Benjamin has allowed that function so fair to assume he's o.k. with using it.
second that- please- and inform re Yogykarta 'Principles' ...
@@JesseP.Watson I just tried. The story is about 3 minutes long, well over the 60 second limit that the "clip" function apparently allows for.
@@amylombardi7378 Ah, never actually tried it myself. You can get editing software for a phone that's decent these days, I use it (Luma Fusion) to make full films, crazy what can be done on a phone now. With that said, may be better off asking Benjamin's permission for that - he is a nice chap after all and these kind of subjects are a bit delicate r.e. Making edits - long-form interviews cut through the polarising forces in a way shorts can never do.
i think the discussion of kindness and putting the person with issues first and letting our lives go down is important...I worked for free, helping a comic with some comedy refining, clown stuff and drama and then i discovered I was one of a series of suckers, being used and then I realised he was a narcissistic TIM who used none of the skills we passed on, PEAK
Excellent discussion. Thanks all for the work you do ❤️
Do no harm replaced by " minimise the impression of how much harm is being done ".
As a society, we have cowardly accepted a complete lack of respect, consideration, and tolerance for diverse opinion. For anyone in government and law enforcement to think it is acceptable for the tantrums these adult activists are exhibiting to go unaddressed is the problem. Why would we put up with these disrespectful activities and behavior? And yet, when people choose to picket and protest outside a library in Calgary having drag queen story hour the city makes a law against protesting outside the venue where the event is happening. And yet a lady praying on the street outside an abortion clinic in the UK is arrested? Hypocrisy rules. What is acceptable for those with one view is not acceptable for those with the opposing view. Is that how any democracy is supposed to work? And closing mental health hospitals and addiction treatment centers and allowing mentally ill and addicted individuals to live on the streets is another appalling act of hypocrisy from those who claim to be so concerned with social justice. Up is down, good is bad, right is wrong, peace is war -- and we are living in Orwell's 1984.
What an exciting combination!
Writing on 03 April 2023: the TRA have their Floyd in Audrey Hale. She committed suicide by cop. Everyone else can now be blamed for this.
I need this book on the war on parents.
Some people are happy in their misery, my sister is only happy when she's miserable and has something to complain about 😆
Sounds like lots of people😂 the English are the classic whingers.
With respect to Eliza, who was actually pointing out the problem with these words: Anyone who uses the phrase "misinformation and disinformation" needs to be confronted about why they're parroting government talking points that only came into existence in 2020. There is no "misinformation or disinformation" problem on the internet. The internet has been around for over two decades. Why would this suddenly become a problem? Why indeed.
There has been a "misinformation or disinformation" on the internet since day one and we have know about it and warned people about it since day one.
Those words are much much older than 2020.
Words which are coopted do not lose their origin or real meaning.
@HarryBalzak Exactly this. The problem exists, and our governments is very involved. They're getting ahead of this realization by blaming opposing governments or political radicals, most of whom they are directly motivating. Just my take.
Transgenderism is nothing more than another modern societal trend like tattoos, being goth, etc. Modern life has lost what used to give people purpose and many are looking to something that makes them different, but do so in a way of conformity.
Tattoos and peircings did not castrate and sterilize people or destroy a mothers ability to feed her child or make people into permenant patients or legislate what language people must use.
This is quite a bit different.
It’s a bit more than that mate.
But I suspect they also have a point.
@@Gingerblaze It's still a social/cultural trend
Thank you for speaking about the McGill event (I'm the woman who was yelled in the ear with a bullhorn...the violence of those activists is terrible!)
The point Stella makes at 10.4 is an excellent general point, it applies to so many issues going on in our world today 😊
What time ?? Was this at
Ben's point about alcoholics in recovery becoming hooked on Jesus is right on. The way that spiritual healing is *SUPPOSED* to work is Let Go of Self, but it's unsurprisingly more routine for a person to go from obsessed with drink/drug substance and activities to obsession with performative Holiness, while maintaining core narcissism.
The question that keeps creeping into my mind when watching the videos of threats and intimidation and "feigned" violence at these "protests" is when is violence the correct response? The "activists" are beyond reason and persuasion, so how do you contain and restrain such people?
The burden is on the police and government to prevent violence. In the Skokie Case when we had Nazis marching in Illinois (I hate Illinois Nazis), SCOTUS said it was the job of the government to protect people from the violence of those protesting the event.
The problem you face is that all violence by progressive groups will be ignored or excused and downplayed while any violence against them will be nationally spotlighted, hysterically amplified and shown in the worst possible light.
You don't have access to the same tools as those carrying out the pet projects of the elite, you can't just do what they do.
I can't wait for this clash of minds! So exciting! :0 💖
Not all curiosity about detranstioners is driven by interest in their well-being . Some is about corporate damage control , narrative control , and even looking for ways to prevent desistance ( to prevent rejection of planned assigned neutering in the near future ).
Eliza is right about ongoing, historical and present, failure of medicine to rely on evidence. Broadcasting Ozempic prescriptions is the newest and biggest crime.
'Those who can be made to believe absurdities can be persuaded to perform atrocities.' - I think it was Voltaire who said something like that.
I feel like these issues are going to go away in the next 10-15 years when further economic, social and population collapses render these first world issues irrelevant.
@Operative KANE ... My prediction, for quite some time now, is that in that 5~10 years, we will see a MASSIVE wave of lawsuits and other legal actions, following an equal number of those who were unable to "continue on" in this life. If society _does_ collapse, and I am 95% convinced it will do so, then survival instincts will take over and indeed it will eliminate the entire concern of transition, as finding food becomes a bit more important!
We're a long way from being able to argue that the surgeries are cosmetic! The whole gender thing hangs on the notion that this is life saving treatment. The red state bans on gender reassignment for children are surely reasonable? It is a moral emergency to ensure fewer children get caught up in this!
Stella 's Genspect org talks out of both sides of their mouth , engaging in a lot of double messaging , including employing Transactivists who STILL try to justify pediatric transition. They are the very convincing , more respectable arm of controlled opposition in this area , and I mean that in a formal sense of their organisation being setup for that purpose. It's a very convincing part of a " full spectrum dominance " tactic to control every single position on the topic. They used to also employ another well known trans activist acting a new fictitious intersex persona.
Watch their glossy documentary critically , and you will notice the double messaging. It's only critical of medical transition to the degree that the audience member wants to read it that way. It also works as false reassurance for those wanting that message. The choice of unusually good outcome cases also shakes the overall impact.
They actually use VERY similar messaging to that once used by many who went on to be key players in the affirmation model . It's double messaging.
I think Sasha A is very genuine though.
1:19:47 "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they _could,_ they didn't stop to think if they _should."_
- Ian Malcolm, Chaos Theorist
Brilliant podcast, as ever, B.B.! Eliza and Stella are super interesting, articulate and humane. The talk of breaking down silos and getting the disciplines to interact reminded me of the best days at Evergreen, when we discussed ideas/themes, read books and had profs dedicated to interdisciplinary learning. That was what attracted me to TESC in the first place. Thanks for your podcasts!
i'm sorry that happened to you Eliza that sounds really scary
Thank you Benjamin again for bringing forth the unique voices of women and men….Beautiful conversation.❤
Seems SO ironic, in a sad way--- that this episode seems to've been recorded *JUST* before that trans-gender [female] mass-sh00ter just murdered (3) 9-year-olds & (3) adults at a Christian school; INTENTIONALLY targeted for being a Christian school... I wish this had been recorded after; so that you guys could weigh-in on this situation... so'o'O so sad-- and fits EXACTLY into what this episode is about.
"We all know it's going to tumble into v!olence, but when will it?"
Wow, how apt just a few hours later
Eliza; excellent work with bringing forward the parallels to psych drugs. I’ve often thought of this. I think the situation with poor research and inadequate follow up in psychiatry and gender medicine hits exactly on the unknown nature of psychological afflictions, and how we ‘treat’ them, which in the main, is inadequately.
Mad in America is a great resource for the wicked story of psychiatry, and its well documented toxic enmeshment with pharma.
Hmmmm… this is sounding really similar, right down to the poorly defined conditions that are being ‘treated’.
People who think that there are brakes on the slippery slope are as delusional as any "trans" person.
Having experienced threats like this you need to learn how to de escalate a situation. The best approach is to have a lot of people backing you up and keeping their ear to the ground for info on the likelihood of getting trapped..
Is a nose job a covered medical procedure because it makes someone unhappy that they have a long nose? People need to learn to be happy as beautiful and unique original creations of God.
@Katherine Brodie ... This is true, but when it comes to the trans activist cult, NOTHING short of transition is acceptable, so they will push for any / all means to do just that.
Excellent point
Frightening that something that's a police matter (assault of the women going to the talk) can be completely ignored and nothing happens to those violent people is frightening...
With respect I was a bit reticent with my self when I read the Genspect website mostly because being unimpressed and felling like it was in it but painting it's self as not. But hearing this tonight about the insurance thing has just convinced me that the approach is unhelpful, like telling a child whose hand is at the fire. It's ok if you burn your self we can always fix it. Insurance companies will not be penalized. It will all happen butchery and more butchery in the name of fixing will be paid for on another policy win win that's how capitalist insurance works. Hike up the premiums. Hard core is the way to go say no end of and protect children period.
Very perceptive and accurate Luis Magill. Genspect are infact a controlled opposition operation ( in the full meaning of that phrase ). They are engaged in capturing the pushback to minimise the damage to certain objectives , and to become the supposed " middle voice ". The transactivist employees are a bit more obvious , especially those actively advising on early transition, but O Mally fully acts her role too .
Watch their glossy documentary critically , and notice the double messaging. It only seems critical if you want to read it that way. It simultaneously offer false reassurance about early transition for the younger audience. And the choice of unrepresentatively successful outcomes supports the second messaging very well.
@@georginawhitby1320 Cheers Gina drain the swamp. I am interested how a wordsmith would fare asking an AI questions around gender that an adult or teen would ask a professional counselor. At 11:11 is instruction for counseling communication With the latest AI CPT-4 ua-cam.com/video/OHdB5sqZMTs/v-deo.html Lots of other good stuff in the video also especially good for quick reviews of long videos or lengthy written reports please share highlight to Boycey and Eliza. New age tools?
15:03 "what if we said, Ok, Go ahead and imitate the appearqnce of the opposite sex, any way you want. But NOBODY ELSE is obliged to validate that fantasy; No opposite-sex bathrooms, sports, prisons, etc"
How could any rational, truth-valuing society be OK with any MORE than this?!? Laws need to be based on EVIDENCE, not on "but it FEEELS true, to me!!".
And how can any free society have laws that compel us all that "you must PRETEND TO BELIEVE that this man (based on empirical, biological EVIDENCE) is a somehow 'REALLY a woman'"?!?
"Gender" is a religious claim- A belief taken as "the REAL Truth", on faith,despite insufficient evidence. And on where (according to belivers) accepting the belief makes you "more moral", and rejecting it makes you "immoral/less moral".
Society, and especially the law/govt needs to TREAT "gender" the same way we treat other religions- " Believe it, if you want. But you can't demand OTHERS believe. (And you can't use it basis to itreversably harm children- The kid can make THEIR OWN choice, in adulthood)".
Finding this so hard to listen too
After the last few days
The damage that has and is being done
Heart breaking
And the emperor is wearing no clothes moment will be catastrophic 🤦🏼♀️🙏🏻🕊
Oh, this is going to be good.🥰
listen to recent interviews with jennifer bilek and you will get a deep troubling insight about the tech-pharmaceutical, political and financial powers who are supporting all of this. very recommended
The Plan
It may be that the gender issue is only being used by some as a catalyst/justification for emotional/physical conflict under the guise of supporting transpeople, when the goal is actually anarchy (ie, antifa).
it seems to be more the libertarian powers of the tech-pharma-finance industrial complex, envisioning a transhumanistic revolution which are the forces behind it -
Precisely. This is a battle being fought on many fronts.
"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals." - Agent K, Men In Black
I ❤❤❤ these women
Yes insurance coverage needs to be tackled as well
Fantastic people, fantastic conversation.❤
How you get someone out of brain washing is for them to be confronted with the experience of the consequences of their beliefs, either to themselves or someone they love dearly. Such as their own child. I'm guessing, but I bet I'm not wrong. There are probably also other ways.
Assault is a criminal offence. Surely Eliza's university failed in it's duty of care to its students ?
So, Benjamin, they locked your Twitter account because you defended Eliza? That's terrible.
No she got suspended after me for tweet the same image. Anyone tweeting that image is now being locked out.
@@BenjaminABoyce Oh. It looked like it happened in the reverse order on Ovarit. Sorry about that.
@@helenablavatsky9136 Ovarit has priorities, and I accept them as-is.
@@BenjaminABoyce geeze what image?
Careful even describing it can be cause for ban
@@muskepticsometimes9133 It seemed to be an image that called for a taking-up-of-arms by transactivists, i.e., "visibility isn't enough we need to fight." Eliza and Benjamin were warning about this type of language being used.... because stuff like the TN shooting may happen as a result. THAT was a horrific coincidence in timing.
Not sure with a Delta is between when this was recorded and when this was uploaded.
But the recent events in Nashville have educated us exactly what trans "activists" is mean when they use the term genocide.
On Twitter there is no shortage of people who identify as a trans activists and being on the left who are not only blaming the victims of the mass shooting on the victims but there are some who are saying there should be more violence.
Not good for society.
All so many on the left seem to be arguing that there should be better background checks with psychological tests. But if your goal is to prevent somebody with no medical history from purchasing a gun would that not mean that you would have to classify someone being transgender as a red flag to prevent them from purchasing a firearm?
I don't think people on the left thought this one out.
They claim that this is a problem with the mental health crisis also seem to hit the mark as the shooter at the very least was receiving testosterone meaning that she saw at least one mental health specialist (especially if gender-confirming propaganda is be believed).
Less than 24 hours.
Sadly, yes.
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you have to accept the confinements were necessary and they saved lives because although we have an excellent health service, it wouldn't have been enough to prevent all the deaths that would have occurred if we didn't stay at home. Many people died in underdeveloped countries because the health system wasn't enough. We were very lucky.
Wonderful conversation!
At some point we are just going to have to give these people the violence there asking for. I understand we are all rational and we have our mental facets about us but these people want this. They are playing a an asymmetrical game where they are playing by a different rule set and we need to be able to adapt to that reality. There is nothing in human about treating brutality with brutality. They have framed the game now. Let them truly occupy that frame
Please don’t fedpost here.
No calls for violence, I would prefer to keep the channel I’ve poured the last six years of my life into remain operational.
@@BenjaminABoyce I apologize if I did something that would have gotten you flagged that wasn't on my intention and perhaps I worded myself wrong I enjoy your channel and would not want you to suffer for my comment. I merely just want to discuss the fact that these two opposing forces that you're discussing in this video seem to be operating by different rule sets and violence seems to be the only clear conclusion to me. However, I'm limited in my mental facets
Just be careful-the Almighty Algorithm is watching, and snitching on us to the Feds.
The TRAs did beat the sane people to drag Floyd.
Instead we now have,
POSIE FLOYD!!
Well done boys.
Religious people often demand we validate their fiction as a key part of civil rights.
‘Clap if you believe in fairies, and tinker bell will live!’
What a PERFECT analogy for the ‘denying trans existence’ slogan. Eliza has some zingers 😂
AND ........................................ Nashville happened.
Genspect is the best
There is some footage of the mob outside the talk in Montreal.
thanks
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Oh man, spectral hysteria- the phantasm -- hysteria means wandering womb hysterically. Let me know if you want me to describe how the contemporary conception of the transgender experience in the post religious emancipation focused secular society denying the divine in pursuit of it, has reinvented the trinity in such a way so many of these excesses are amazingly predictable.
Spot on
Please describe it.
But Dr O'Malley, there comes a point where it is not a kindness to collude with someone's delusion, and it could even be dangerous.
No it is definitely is not medicine
1:25:00 It's also about the parents having fallen behind their kid's light-speed development into young adults, feeling emotionally exhausted and alienated and partially checked-out, feeling guilty and in denial about that. They WANT to believe they can just dump the issue on the therapist and have them take care of it.
Recommended: U-tube video, The Big Picture from James Patrick, 'Who is behind the TRANS AGENDA?' by Jennifer Bilek.
Choose Your Own Agenda would be so funny, someone should write that
Think I'll rewatch this one again later.
Ignoring that transition involves more than "cosmetic" surgeries. You get surgeries for life and medicine for life. No sexual satisfaction etc.
Okay, so surgery and becoming a life long medical patient is supposed to fix a mental contagion?!… these folks are still quite empathetic, however pity is the lowest form concern… all is not well… and who pays for all this?.. the gentleman said there is money in this…. where does it come from and to what actual medical concerns does it come from?… humanity is in decline again…
I really am interested in this conversation but I find it too painful listening to people who say ‘like’ very sentence. It’s a very common habit of people her age.
It’s possible to tune it out.
Any thoughts on Wayne State University suspending Professor Shaviro over militant LGBT comments?
25:15 The people you are describing are acting like cluster B personality types.
I mentioned this previously but I hope that Eliza has contacted Shannon Boschy re his online research project searching for and mapping online trans related discourse? It sounds like a good match for her masters thesis.
Are we awake yet🕊
interesting to view this post-Nashville (audrey/aiden hale spree murders) - RE the concept of a ‘trans-Floyd’
We recorded it two days before that tragedy.