Good luck with the tower build today. And thanks for this video. I was pretty sure it was exactly the problem you described. I have no experience with offroad suspension tuners yet, but I had one of the best in Germany for my (asphalt) racebike. Lots of question about you, your riding style, your laptimes, your tyres, your feeling... And then just perfect. Eye-opening. Worth every penny. Looking forward to seeing you come back on the motocross track with the little Honda. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
I installed the full size setup myself on my bike just a home mechanic but i followed one of rally raids videos that specifies the bleeding of this fork. Ralley Raid made the video but the instructions that come with the fork did not have the instructions that let me know how to properlly bleed the damper which is only on one fork leg so if your having problems just go to Rally Raids you tube channel watch that video and follow those directions to a T. Bleeding it takes alot of time from what i remember and you have to pour a little oil in at a time while covering the screw hole at the bottom of the fork while also cycling the fork up and down. Anyways the suspension is amazing and is so much better than stock. Stock suspension feels like a cheap bicycle when compared to this setup.
Thanks for this. I’ll have to do the same for mine as I went word for word by the install instructions which called for the same amount of oil that was initially in yours.
@@PatchedBandit I just serviced mine. Almost 600ml went into the left fork. It took forever to bleed the damper all the way. I also put more oil in the right leg to keep the spring lubricated better. I didn’t like hearing it grinding against the tube. Haven’t ridden it yet, but it seems to feel better.
@@PatchedBandit After doing some moderately hard riding, I was still bottoming out. I ordered a set of the 4.2N springs from Rally Raid and just installed them today. I’ll let you know how it goes after I ride again. I have the direct link to the springs that RR gave me if anyone needs them. I don’t think you can click to them from their website as they usually don’t sell them separate.
Very good and informative video. It is always interesting to follow proffessionals that are experts in their field. Your suspention looks very good now 😊👍
I've only just started looking around at the problems w/ this bike's suspension but I have to say that I've not seen ANY shop quite as clean or specialized as this one. Truly they've invested in doing this right. Some might wipe off the forks before working but these guys throw them in a bath. I'm amazed & I'll be looking for a place like this in America. Great video!
This bike has such a soft front end that it's almost a danger for a front washout..... might get the ABS just to make sure not to have a problem but it's also b/c of all the varying conditions on the roads..... gravel/debris, ect.
Yeah & I think if I do buy this Rally version I'll probably add the ABS package. Just to make sure I have better ability to stop w/o washing out the front end. I'm all subb'd UP so I'll be asking more later. peace
I've been researching for 6months & have 7-8 dual sport bikes. I know each one of them including all the MOD's that would be needed & their costs. I've even figured out how feasible each upgrade/mod would be to get done but I've just found the Rally version, put it on my short list, and now I think I'm sold on it to fit my "Intent" for a bike. INTENT & Costs are the two main factors but I honestly don't think most guys have a clear vision of what they want a bike for...lol, other than to ride. I'm with you now so I'll be digging thru your stuff as I continue to save money for a purchase. The extra $$ for ABS might be a wise expenditure for me at my ago & ability. Thanks for posting the video & for your time. peace
I've installed RR L1 two weeks ago and found it quite easy. Half of the work is just new seals install. I didn't drill the tube, spring circlip is easy to remove by a pick or thin screw driver, no even need to disassemble the fork for that. The airing was easy too. Just follow the instructions and fill the cartridge from bottom. That way it's 90% aired before you even begin. Then bolt it tight and turn around. You can see oil level from the top, so just add more until the level is merely 10cm or at least visible and keep airing until damping works all the way up and no more bubbles can be heard. Check and fill the oil level. Done. What wave to do again and different, was new seal lubing. Lubing it with fork oil and wipe the rest resulted in significant stiction. I had to take it apart and lube both seals and dust covers with bearing grease. The result is much better but still not great. It seems like these dual compound seals has high stiction, unlike OEM hard NBR. Maybe it reduces over time with wear.
Its super easy if you follow the instructions and fill the damping cartridge from the bottom. Rally raid has excellent instructions and excellent installation instructions. It was obvious that you had air in your forks in your last video.
I said it myself in the intro and people still said I’m makin RR look bad intentionally. I wonder if they even looked at the video. Most people like that I made these videos so we can all learn from mistakes and other peoples experiences. Im not making these videos for Rally Raid. Im making these for my audience.
Got my RRL1 so will be paying attention to airing and oli level. However, RR do say to fill up from the bottom to reduce the problem with air. In the RR vids and instructions. Looking forwards to a vid of you testing after the service.
Fill from the bottom just the specified amount of oil to get started. Then move to the top to do final filling to spec and bleeding air. I misinterpreted initially and kept filling more from the bottom and wound up way overfilling. Pretty easy job as long as you don't get caught out by those details.
Great insites👍🏼 I'm in the middle of the process to swap my T7 front and rear suspension so I'm really looking forward if you'll do some videos about it in spring. Enjoy the new setup 🏍️🏁
Just got done riding a local Enduro track today. The track was very wet and muddy but there were a few spots where I could ride some whoops and I didnt bottom out even once. Night and day difference after this service! 🎉
Glad you're getting it sorted out and looking foward to the video of testing it out. I probably missed some content... are you installing the One Adventure tower or another offering?
Did you ever back off your fork preload after testing? : ) I have questioned if my oil levels are correct. If I remember correctly, the L2 directions were to put 600ml in the spring only fork, and the 400ml remaining in the cartridge fork. It made sense, because the cartridge takes up volume, but ?. I have the stiffest 4.2N/mm springs, and bike starts to feel very harsh hitting little bumps at over about 5 clicks in on compression. Looking forward to your follow-up, testing both landing jumps and on 100mm+ rocks like a creek bed or rocky trail. It seems an elusive balance between comfortable road ride, not bottoming jumps and not bouncing around too much over rocks! Maybe a softer seat is required to alleviate the harsh road feedback? Thanks for another great video!
Most bikes that perform well over jumps are a bit hard compared to basic road setups. I will post some more when I get to ride it proper after this service visit. I might upgrade the same 4.2 spring you have later if I feel that after I get a good test in first. But this is probably already so much better now that I might be fine with the current springrate. Oh and no I never backed out of the preload :)
At the car air suspension is good thing but maybe not in the motorcycle, but if citroen makes motorcycle it would definitely have air suspension😂 Thanks for the good vid!
Nice video. I did the YSS fork kit on my crf300 and YSS shock. The fork kit has the compression in the left leg and rebound in the right leg and works quite well. The YSS shock I am not very impressed with.
It's been so long since this video that I don't remember the amount but as much as it needs to air properly. Rally raid recommendation I have gotten is that: "any fully synthetic main brand oil will do but we prefer Motorex"
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I just did full RallyRaid level 1 front/back and it cost me $500. I “interviewed” a few shops and went with power chicken in Heber UT USA. , they seemed to know what they were doing after talking to them and showing them the product, and all the interesting things I’ve learned from this video...What a amazing change!! Such a better bike now!!
That spring noise is annoying for sure. is that normal with every brand? Do you hear it while riding or it's more of an issue if you try to compress it removed from the bike?
@@PatchedBandit you vid would clearly show shock noise between 8:55 and 9:22. Could you please confirm that you still hear it when you try to compress and releas your forks while sitting on the bike with no helmed on? I was confirmed by RR that there should be no sound from the springs compressing or rebounding. TBH, I am not sure what causes that sound.
... What did you feel was wrong with the suspension that caused you to have it checked? Mine sags a bit too much for my liking. Maybe it is supposed to sag almost 2" w/o me on it? Jeff
It was bottoming out very easily on an enduro track. Have you tried cranking up the preload on the fork? I have mine at full right now. I'm 82kg without gear and I went with the recommended springs according to my weight. But I could have easily gone with the hardest ones too. Mine seems good now though so I don't see a need to change them for the time being.
I will be testing the bike on an enduro track later. Not sure if it's possible during winter but if the track is not too bad I will do it before spring.
Itsellä 300rally jossa tuo sarja. Ihmettelin sitä miksi se pitää tuota knurlaavaa ääntä kun iskaria painelee. Mutta kai se on ok jos jousitusasiantuntija ei kommentoi siitä.. eikös valmistaja käske täyttää iskarin pohjaropusta hiljalleen muuten jää ilmaa helposti.
Juu tähän on varmasti monta koulukuntaa miten se kannattais kasata. Rallyraidin ohjeet varmasti suunnattu enemmän amatööreille kun varsinaiselle asiantuntijalle kuten Timo 🙂
@@PatchedBandit Quality channel deserves a sub:) I’m going for the RR setup. I’m 182 so I’m wondering if I should go for the lvl2 setup. I don’t know if it would be ok or to tall.
I would probably go for the Level 2 if I was your height. You might regret going Level 1 later even though initially the bike is going to feel pretty tall. The Level 2 suspension is going to be much more competent and maybe even more comfortable. Even though the level 1 is definitely not bad either.
TTM is good, but kinda "american" statement that they are the best. Suomessa on kuitenkin näitä iskariseppiä useampia. Hienoa että alusta tuli kuntoon.
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Great video, shows that suspension service is not so easy that you might think...
Very true!
Good luck with the tower build today. And thanks for this video. I was pretty sure it was exactly the problem you described. I have no experience with offroad suspension tuners yet, but I had one of the best in Germany for my (asphalt) racebike. Lots of question about you, your riding style, your laptimes, your tyres, your feeling... And then just perfect. Eye-opening. Worth every penny. Looking forward to seeing you come back on the motocross track with the little Honda. Happy days, Günter/Nürnberg
I installed the full size setup myself on my bike just a home mechanic but i followed one of rally raids videos that specifies the bleeding of this fork. Ralley Raid made the video but the instructions that come with the fork did not have the instructions that let me know how to properlly bleed the damper which is only on one fork leg so if your having problems just go to Rally Raids you tube channel watch that video and follow those directions to a T. Bleeding it takes alot of time from what i remember and you have to pour a little oil in at a time while covering the screw hole at the bottom of the fork while also cycling the fork up and down.
Anyways the suspension is amazing and is so much better than stock. Stock suspension feels like a cheap bicycle when compared to this setup.
Very true. Stock setup is quite bad if one wants to ride a bit harder.
Thanks for this. I’ll have to do the same for mine as I went word for word by the install instructions which called for the same amount of oil that was initially in yours.
Yep. The instructions are a bit unclear in my opinion too.
@@PatchedBandit I just serviced mine. Almost 600ml went into the left fork. It took forever to bleed the damper all the way. I also put more oil in the right leg to keep the spring lubricated better. I didn’t like hearing it grinding against the tube. Haven’t ridden it yet, but it seems to feel better.
@@PatchedBandit After doing some moderately hard riding, I was still bottoming out. I ordered a set of the 4.2N springs from Rally Raid and just installed them today. I’ll let you know how it goes after I ride again. I have the direct link to the springs that RR gave me if anyone needs them. I don’t think you can click to them from their website as they usually don’t sell them separate.
Very good and informative video. It is always interesting to follow proffessionals that are experts in their field. Your suspention looks very good now 😊👍
Thanks 👍
I've only just started looking around at the problems w/ this bike's suspension but I have to say that I've not seen ANY shop
quite as clean or specialized as this one. Truly they've invested in doing this right. Some might wipe off the forks before
working but these guys throw them in a bath. I'm amazed & I'll be looking for a place like this in America. Great video!
This bike has such a soft front end that it's almost a danger for a front washout..... might get the ABS just to make
sure not to have a problem but it's also b/c of all the varying conditions on the roads..... gravel/debris, ect.
The stock setup is definitely super scetchy in many situations. Rally raid works amazingly now that it is properly installed.
Yeah & I think if I do buy this Rally version I'll probably add the ABS package. Just to make sure I have better ability
to stop w/o washing out the front end. I'm all subb'd UP so I'll be asking more later. peace
ABS works well offroad too so its overall a good option to have for most riders.
I've been researching for 6months & have 7-8 dual sport bikes. I know each one of them including all the MOD's
that would be needed & their costs. I've even figured out how feasible each upgrade/mod would be to get done
but I've just found the Rally version, put it on my short list, and now I think I'm sold on it to fit my "Intent" for a
bike. INTENT & Costs are the two main factors but I honestly don't think most guys have a clear vision of what
they want a bike for...lol, other than to ride. I'm with you now so I'll be digging thru your stuff as I continue to
save money for a purchase. The extra $$ for ABS might be a wise expenditure for me at my ago & ability.
Thanks for posting the video & for your time. peace
Glad you've got this sorted and pleased it was an installation issue not a problem with the RR hardware itself.
I've installed RR L1 two weeks ago and found it quite easy. Half of the work is just new seals install. I didn't drill the tube, spring circlip is easy to remove by a pick or thin screw driver, no even need to disassemble the fork for that.
The airing was easy too. Just follow the instructions and fill the cartridge from bottom. That way it's 90% aired before you even begin. Then bolt it tight and turn around. You can see oil level from the top, so just add more until the level is merely 10cm or at least visible and keep airing until damping works all the way up and no more bubbles can be heard. Check and fill the oil level. Done.
What wave to do again and different, was new seal lubing. Lubing it with fork oil and wipe the rest resulted in significant stiction. I had to take it apart and lube both seals and dust covers with bearing grease. The result is much better but still not great. It seems like these dual compound seals has high stiction, unlike OEM hard NBR. Maybe it reduces over time with wear.
Its super easy if you follow the instructions and fill the damping cartridge from the bottom. Rally raid has excellent instructions and excellent installation instructions.
It was obvious that you had air in your forks in your last video.
I said it myself in the intro and people still said I’m makin RR look bad intentionally. I wonder if they even looked at the video.
Most people like that I made these videos so we can all learn from mistakes and other peoples experiences.
Im not making these videos for Rally Raid. Im making these for my audience.
We see everything 👀 love your content
Got my RRL1 so will be paying attention to airing and oli level. However, RR do say to fill up from the bottom to reduce the problem with air. In the RR vids and instructions.
Looking forwards to a vid of you testing after the service.
Will be coming later for sure. First I will build the Rally Tower 🙂
Fill from the bottom just the specified amount of oil to get started. Then move to the top to do final filling to spec and bleeding air. I misinterpreted initially and kept filling more from the bottom and wound up way overfilling. Pretty easy job as long as you don't get caught out by those details.
@@PatchedBandit BTW, what volume cc of oil and mm from measure point did you end up with?
Can't remember exactly but I think he added quite a bit after 500ml too. So at least more than 500 on the fork with the damping.
@@PatchedBandit thanks
Excellent video. Incredible skills of those suspension specialists and very informative. Nicely done.
Great insites👍🏼 I'm in the middle of the process to swap my T7 front and rear suspension so I'm really looking forward if you'll do some videos about it in spring.
Enjoy the new setup 🏍️🏁
Need to find some money before spring 😂 Thanks for commenting. What setup are you putting in the T7?
@@PatchedBandit I go with Öhlins shock and cartridge kit. Rear shock is installed already, fork to come.
@skybluetenere that should improve things 😄
Looking forward to see what solutions you will implement for the tower
This was very instructional. Thank you for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Just got done riding a local Enduro track today. The track was very wet and muddy but there were a few spots where I could ride some whoops and I didnt bottom out even once. Night and day difference after this service! 🎉
Keep up the good work!
Will do! 🫡
Glad you're getting it sorted out and looking foward to the video of testing it out.
I probably missed some content... are you installing the One Adventure tower or another offering?
Another one. It's a secret for a wee bit but as soon as I have time I will be posting more. But it looks AWESOME 😄
@@PatchedBandit Very cool ! Interested to see it.
Cool video! Have you tested the bike in action after the fix?
Sadly no. No time to ride with all the video making and dayjob :D In a couple of weeks I will.
Did you ever back off your fork preload after testing? : )
I have questioned if my oil levels are correct. If I remember correctly, the L2 directions were to put 600ml in the spring only fork, and the 400ml remaining in the cartridge fork. It made sense, because the cartridge takes up volume, but ?. I have the stiffest 4.2N/mm springs, and bike starts to feel very harsh hitting little bumps at over about 5 clicks in on compression.
Looking forward to your follow-up, testing both landing jumps and on 100mm+ rocks like a creek bed or rocky trail. It seems an elusive balance between comfortable road ride, not bottoming jumps and not bouncing around too much over rocks! Maybe a softer seat is required to alleviate the harsh road feedback?
Thanks for another great video!
Most bikes that perform well over jumps are a bit hard compared to basic road setups. I will post some more when I get to ride it proper after this service visit.
I might upgrade the same 4.2 spring you have later if I feel that after I get a good test in first. But this is probably already so much better now that I might be fine with the current springrate.
Oh and no I never backed out of the preload :)
At the car air suspension is good thing but maybe not in the motorcycle, but if citroen makes motorcycle it would definitely have air suspension😂
Thanks for the good vid!
Nice video. I did the YSS fork kit on my crf300 and YSS shock. The fork kit has the compression in the left leg and rebound in the right leg and works quite well. The YSS shock I am not very impressed with.
Thanks for the info!
Well done. Great video. Could I ask what was the final volume of oil and what oil grade and make as this varies so much.
It's been so long since this video that I don't remember the amount but as much as it needs to air properly.
Rally raid recommendation I have gotten is that: "any fully synthetic main brand oil will do but we prefer Motorex"
@@PatchedBandit Much appreciated!
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excellent. what prices should we expect for this sort of work? i might visit finland and while in there get this done too.
They can probably give you quotes via e-mail in advance. You should book a day as early as you can as these guys are really busy at times 😄
I just did full RallyRaid level 1 front/back and it cost me $500. I “interviewed” a few shops and went with power chicken in Heber UT USA. , they seemed to know what they were doing after talking to them and showing them the product, and all the interesting things I’ve learned from this video...What a amazing change!! Such a better bike now!!
That spring noise is annoying for sure. is that normal with every brand? Do you hear it while riding or it's more of an issue if you try to compress it removed from the bike?
I don't hear anything while riding.
@@PatchedBandit you vid would clearly show shock noise between 8:55 and 9:22. Could you please confirm that you still hear it when you try to compress and releas your forks while sitting on the bike with no helmed on? I was confirmed by RR that there should be no sound from the springs compressing or rebounding. TBH, I am not sure what causes that sound.
... What did you feel was wrong with the suspension that caused you to have it checked?
Mine sags a bit too much for my liking. Maybe it is supposed to sag almost 2" w/o me on it?
Jeff
It was bottoming out very easily on an enduro track.
Have you tried cranking up the preload on the fork? I have mine at full right now. I'm 82kg without gear and I went with the recommended springs according to my weight. But I could have easily gone with the hardest ones too. Mine seems good now though so I don't see a need to change them for the time being.
I m curious If You re gonna need to upgraded spring or îs IT enough
I will be testing the bike on an enduro track later. Not sure if it's possible during winter but if the track is not too bad I will do it before spring.
How much was this service? Did they change anything else than the oil?
A bit from service ofcourse but I won't discolse any exact amount as it varies so much case by case. Better to ask pricing directly from them.
Have jumped with it yet? How is it?
Havent had time to ride it yet but I will soon. I will post some video about it later.
do the Tenere please 🙂
I will try to find some money before spring 😅
Take your time 😏@@PatchedBandit
Itsellä 300rally jossa tuo sarja. Ihmettelin sitä miksi se pitää tuota knurlaavaa ääntä kun iskaria painelee. Mutta kai se on ok jos jousitusasiantuntija ei kommentoi siitä.. eikös valmistaja käske täyttää iskarin pohjaropusta hiljalleen muuten jää ilmaa helposti.
Juu tähän on varmasti monta koulukuntaa miten se kannattais kasata. Rallyraidin ohjeet varmasti suunnattu enemmän amatööreille kun varsinaiselle asiantuntijalle kuten Timo 🙂
Really good video. How tall are you? Trying to compare you to me in regards to what level I should go for. New sub from me.
Thanks for the sub! I'm 5 feet 8.5 inches (174 cm)
@@PatchedBandit Quality channel deserves a sub:) I’m going for the RR setup. I’m 182 so I’m wondering if I should go for the lvl2 setup. I don’t know if it would be ok or to tall.
I would probably go for the Level 2 if I was your height. You might regret going Level 1 later even though initially the bike is going to feel pretty tall. The Level 2 suspension is going to be much more competent and maybe even more comfortable. Even though the level 1 is definitely not bad either.
How are the suspension? Are they like MX or are they softer? Really not interested in MX like suspension on the bike.
No matter how much money you throw at the 300.. it's still a play bike at the end of the day..
But I like to play 😊
Yeah, a play bike with 12000km oil intervals that can be ridden around the world at any time.
If I can travel around my country with my Tonado 250 ( I am sure I can travel the world with it too), the Rally can do more than "play"
TTM is good, but kinda "american" statement that they are the best. Suomessa on kuitenkin näitä iskariseppiä useampia. Hienoa että alusta tuli kuntoon.
Olen valmis muuttamaan mielipiteeni, jos törmään parempaan 😁