The Retrofit Source D2S HID Bulb Test | XB, Osram, and Philips Shootout!
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Bought and installed Philips xv2 because of all the tests, and love them. I cant staaand blue lights because i want to see well, and i want others to see as well. No surprise the 2 warmest white were brighter. Plus is a more usable color and doesnt blind everyone else on the road
Thanks, Matt. I've wanted to see a comparison like this for a long while!
Thanks for watching!
Using a lux meter to measure HID light sources is like asking a color-blind person to pick between a red car and a blue car.
I've been running the Osram Night Breaker Lazer in my retrofit since 2019. They are effin bright! Works really well in my TL-R morimoto projectors.
🤘🤘🤘
I'm running XV2 on my semi retrofit. They're the best looking and brightest bulbs. My lights outshine and distance then these new led headlights on these semi you see on the road.
It's almost impossible to beat a retrofit!
Had the CBI for sometime in my 4.0 but never thought it would beat the CBA and CBB, well now I know what I will need for the 5.0 project XV2 here i come
ua-cam.com/video/rKEOIUrW39M/v-deo.html
I posted a link to their 2018 video where the CBB was better than the CBI. In my own use with D2S 4.O the CBB is way brighter than the CBI.
Angelo Mendez thanks bro, I’ve seen that vid back when it came out now I just received my 5.0 last week and going to retrofit when i get a new headlights. I think the 5.0 lens might have a thing to do with why the CBI was brighter than the CBB but cant say for sure until we have more comparison vids with basic settings thay is on 5.0 with an XB35 ballasts which is what we normally get by default
Love the stacked shots. I’m excited to put on my kit now
Thanks for watching!
Great video, thank you for doing the hard work for the rest of us 💪
You got it!
Cant wait for the D1S comparison. Awesome video guys. 👍👍👍
Hopefully coming soon! Thanks for watching!
@@RetrofitSource and when D3S? :D
Impressive indeed. I just keep rolling with my trusty ol' all time favorite. In terms of color, intensity, longevity and price. I LOVE MY Osram CBI's!! They are perfect for me. 👍😎
Thanks for the Vid TRS Matt!
Sometimes you just need to roll with what works! Glad you are loving the CBI's!
Me too man still Loving the CBIs
Looking k
Thank you!, the video helped me to decide for Philips XV2 and the quality are amazing, big differences with the factory osram on my GTI mk7
Glad we could help!
I am so glad you made this video you're the man keep it up! (Please make future videos the same way as this video having the lux comparison and the top and bottom bulb out there )
That's the plan! 🤙
Now I know what to buy come black Friday, I better start saving up... These bulbs cost an arm and a leg... And a kidney...😂
They have amazing quality though. You won't be disappointed.
Great comparison, you should throw PIAA in the mix. 👍
We will have to do that in a future video! Thanks for watching!
Have you/anyone done a D3S shootout? I'm curious what the best bulbs are in the D3S since that's what my car has. I like a cooler color not like the nightbreaker laser.
Mine too, damn Ford Flex.
Great video. Nice comparison and no disputing which bulb is brightest. I know which set in grabbing
Thank you for watching, We really appreciate the feedback!
I guess I should have got the XV2, but I got the second best, the Night Breaker, and it is very nice.
The Night Breaker is still an amazing HID!
You should put the camera on manual color mode so we can actually see the true light colors. The automatic setting makes everything seem white and the same color
Thanks for the feedback, Ave!
As a photographer he’s exactly right. You can set the kelvin to something standard such as 5000k and then you will see what their colors are
Very nice video, but I sure do love my CBI's they have been fantastic.
CBI's are great!
Same here. I like the CBI's so much all around I haven't even considered another model or brand since running them
If you like the light of the new Audi’s you should buy the Philips. Gonna replace the Osram nightbreaker for these... in my E61
We will have to check that out! Thanks for watching!
Define "new". 2017 and newer audis and VW-s use either LED or D3S xenons, completely different systems.
Hi, You mentioned the Weather, what kind of changes can we expect in bad weather, snow, rain, hail and such?
These should work great in bad weather! Obviously your line of sight changes. However, if you run a lower temp bulb you'll be able to see further in bad weather.
i Love this youtube auto translate feature, this make me more understand about this video
Hey thank you so much for that video! Is the Philips XV2 still the brightest best bulb I can get or is there a brighter bulb at 5000k? I'm going for the BEST I can get. Thank you for your time and patience
We'll be redoing this video sometime with newer bulbs to make a more definitive guide! Keep an eye out!
@@RetrofitSource Thank you! In the meantime would you be able to sujest a bulb at 5000k?
Phillips XV2!
@@RetrofitSource Thank you so much for your help! Glad I waited before making this decision. Doing research is soo important before buying anything. Oh one more thing, it's brighter than Philips white vision?
It sure is!
How does the CBI suddenly outperform the CBB? Your previous video put the CBB on top of CBI by a wide margin. I've also used both CBI and CBB in my cars and the CBB is way brighter than the CBI.
Are you using D1s or D2s bulbs
@@thainz881 I'm using D2S.
Same question. Im using the CBI currently
@@asm200sx the CBB test was on D1s. d1s and d2s perform quite differently to each other. I installed d1s and d2s osram Night breaker laser on 2 of my cars . And noticed that the d2s version is quite a lot brighter than the d1s one. So maybe the d2s CBI is brighter than CBB but for d1s version, the CBB is brighter than the CBI. Hope this help
@@thainz881 the test was using D2S bulbs. ua-cam.com/video/rKEOIUrW39M/v-deo.html
Are you guys gonna test the new CBI next gen and night breaker next gen bulbs? I’m curious how much different they are.
We can try to make a new video!
Thanks for the great review! I found the answer to many of the questions that were running through my head but unfortunately, I have got a few more.
Why does the (H1 XTR Philips XV2) have a light output of 1050 while the d2s Philips XV2 1680? aren't they the same bulb but the difference in the size only?
Hope to hear the answer from you soon! Thanks again.
The housings are the main reason for the brightness increase!
Sorry, but I didn't get you. Do you mean whether a reflector or projector? I believe both H1 XV2 and D2S XV2 were tested on projectors so I still thinking about why there is a huge difference between them.
H1 are tested in a 2.5 inch projector, D2S is a 3 inch projector. This larger projector increases the light output.
Thanks a lot! Really appreciated.
Great Video ! i have a question about d1s and d3s burners. It is said that the d1s burners are a little cooler due to the mercury filling. but are they also brighter than the d3s? optically it already seems to be so. are there any test results? many thanks
Hello, we haven't tested that out as of yet.
I have a 2012 Infiniti G37xS Coupe with HID ballasts D2S; I wanted a brighter and bluer output than my OEM bulbs (probably Sylvania) I tried bulbs from Lumens and had nothing but problems from on the passenger side. In 5 years I went through 5 bulbs because as soon as the weather cools off and the ambient air temperature drops below the 70's especially down to the 45 - 60 F the light flickers and eventually turns off even though the go on normally. My local garage who sold me the Lumens can't figure out why the Lumens fail only on the passenger side. I suspect that they even caused a ballast to fail and I had to replace the ballast on the same passenger side a couple years ago. I want a bulb that will last, will not flicker when I go over a bump or go off completely while I'm driving. I want a bulb that is a brighter and blueish in color. I was thinking of the OSRAM XENARC Cool Blue 7000K 66240CBB-HCB. My question is given all the problems I had with the aftermarket Lumens (and they're not cheap at $75 ea..used to be $35 ea...tariffs?) So would you recommend the Morimoto or the Philips in the 6k to 7k?
or to stick with OSRAM (Sylvania). Even my very patient Infiniti dealer's mechanic whom I trust said to stick with factory; when we installed the factory bulbs I didn't have any issues at any ambient temperature: No flickering (especially when going over bumps) and the bulbs stay on. He was right. So it looks like the resistance is a bit issue with the Infiniti regarding OEM vs Aftermarket bulbs. (35 watt. )
Happy to report that after 2 years the OSRAM are still working great!
do you habe experience with carmate and piaa? those look like good stuff
We have not dealt with those products before, we will see if we can look into them down the road! Thanks for commenting, have a good one!
@TheRetrofitSource #TheRetrofitSource.... Have you compared the XV2 to WHV2? Curious on the difference in output and beam pattern. Your Website seems to put the WHV2's as the "top dawg"??
It's been a while since we've tested, but WHV2 has been the top choice for us. Maybe we should make another video soon!
Thank you for the fast reply... Would be great @@RetrofitSource .... Maybe just the 3 tops (Osram and the two Phillips)... and also do an overdriven test with 50w Balasts??
Hey man is the Phillips the brightest still even with new LEDs? Just looking for something extremely bright
If you still need help choosing an LED bulb go to our webpage and use the cant function. One of our service reps will assist you.
Do yall do custom jobs if I wanted a light for a specific car ?
We do not make custom headlights in-house
Well, what about the brightness in the foreground, below the hot spot? That is what I'm most interested in, as well as lateral illumination. From your results, it appears that the Night Breaker Laser has more foreground illumination than the XV2.
Also, my Enclave uses D3S, rather than D2S. Should these results translate to D3S as well? Thanks.
They look the same honestly.
Great test
Thanks for watching it!
I’m about to get a retrofitted hid setup on my gti and I want HIDs but I don’t want anything really blue. Are the CBI’s really blue or are they a nice white? I will be praising them with a Hylux 45w ballast as well
Shoot us an email at support@theretrofitsource.com if you still need help.
What would be the reason behind CBB being less bright than CBI whereas in the last comparison CBB was significantly brighter than CBI?
Probably minor differences in the bulb alignment between the different bulbs (more light below the cutoff, less light above it).
@@darkboy1759 I believe TRS is thorough about that sort of things otherwise the results are not legit.
We would be happy to explain, could you link the video you're talking about?
@@RetrofitSource ua-cam.com/video/rKEOIUrW39M/v-deo.html
In this comparison you've got 340lux out of CBI, and 460 lux out of CBB. Thanks.
Wonderfull Matt! I was search this test. So ı mean CBB more white than CBA?
Although the CBBs are rated higher, they did show in testing to be lower in color temperature than what Osram states they are!
@@RetrofitSource i saw your testing video. But CBB more white than CBA for my look?
That is correct, the CBB bulbs will be more white compared to the CBA bulbs! Shoot us an email if you have any other questions! Support@TheRetrofitSource.com
Approximately what does real kelvin mean? CBB and CBA?
Real Kalvin is just the Kalvin number that we came up with in testing, vs the Kalvin number that is listed with the product from the manufacturer.
I have the morimoto mini D2S 5.0 and I’m looking at buying the Phillips bulb. I’m retro fitting this on my Honda Civic 2014 coupe EX, will I need a hid ballasts kit ? If so which ones do you recommend. Thank you.
email us at support@theretrofitsource.com and one of our customer service reps can help you.
The CBIs will always be king!
They are a great bulb!
I'm really confused . On a another video between the Osram Laser vs the XV2 the Osram won ? But on this video the Phillips won.. are this a newer version of the XV2 ? And on your website you have the description as both beating each other ? .. up to this day on December 2021 what's the winner ??
The NBL!
i have the philips xv2 bulbs in my car and im not getting the same beam pattern as shown on the wall with the blue light line on the top can it be an orientation issue?
Yes it could be or the type of housing you're using. If you're still having issues pleas email us at support@theretrofitsource.com and one of our customer service reps will be able to help you.
Why don’t you sell the Morimoto DS2 5500K bulbs anymore? The white was perfect.
The "new" 5000k bulbs are the same as the "old" 5500k bulbs, we changed the wording on the listings!
@@RetrofitSource I wish I would have known that before I just bought new 6000K's. Might want to update the info on the site to explain that and the videos linked. I used the chat on the site and they just said you quit selling them and showed me the new options. Most of the reviews are for the 5500K also. So confusing. I think they will be fine though after looking at some other setups.
Have you guys happened to have any recent complaints the past few months about the Morimoto XB 5500K HID bulbs giving a greenish/teal hue to them? I know quite a few people were complaining about that. I'm interested in these bulbs for my IS-F but not sure if they will give off that hue in my D4S setup.
We haven't heard any complaints about the color temperature in a while. When we did, it seemed to be primarily with the D2H and H11b bulbs. Since your Lexus takes a D4s bulb, you won't run into that issue at all!
There are led bulbs made for xenon. It's called led-xenon. It works with the fan. Is it appropriate to use this design in Xenon headlights?
Stick with HID if that is what your vehicle came with from factory!
I haven’t finished watching the video but I hope its the cbb on top because thats what I have in my car
Bottom, makes sense, Osram brand it as an Off Road bulb and actually gives it a lower lumens rating than an OEM D2S (3000 instead of 3200).
dufonrafal I know I finished watching it and was disappointed but not surprised. I have a pic on my instagram of the cbb vs my stock audi bulb and it was extremely similar
Jay Bravo is your CBB cooler than your stock?
The CBB is brighter than the CBI by quite a margin. I used to have CBI's in both of my cars. The other one I replaced with XV2. The XV2 may be a little brighter and intense than the CBB.
Gary Willis tbh they where very similar but I did see a blue tint to the cbb.
What about Giga and Piaa HIDs from Japan....!?
Have never tried it!
You should really compare. I'm living in Japan and would love to see a true comparison with what is currently available on the Japanese market
I wanted to upgrade my stock headlights on my 2006 Acura TSX. Are all of these compatible as a replacement?
Yes, D2S is the correct size for your car.
Is it true that when your bulb fails you need to change both ballast and bulb? My local retrofitting shop who retrofit my fog lights told me this, and I'm kinda skeptical and find it a bit weird?
Not really, It's a rule of thumb to replace the bulbs at the same time but not the ballasts.
@@RetrofitSource I knew it! Something is a bit sketch when he told me that. Thanks for the info!
Any recommendations for a Porsche Macan? I still have the factory D3s bulbs from 2015 in it (not sure what they are) and they’re looking yellow and dull now. I’m stuck between the osram nbl and the philips xv2. I love the white light look but don’t want to sacrifice the performance of a cooler light since I drive a lot at night
NBL for sure!
So I have a ‘15 Mazda 6 with factory Bi-Xenon HIDs. I have no clue which bulbs it uses, but I was wondering if you think the Philips XV2 will perform better and produce a white light than the OEM HIDs?
It absolutely would!
What happened to the Osram CBH? I remember it was a top contender as well..
Its not longer available sorry.
Why is in this test CBI brighter than CBB, but in the earlier test it was other way around? Thank you
There are a lot of variables with tests like these. In this particular test the CBI won, We were surprised too!
@@RetrofitSource I need to buy D2S bulbs for my car and now I don't know which one to buy haha...I want pure white color and very good brightness, which one do you recommend?
Which bulb is bettter Philips XVS gen2 and Osram NBL for D3S bulbs?
Phillips!!!
You should break in the bulb before testing them. HID bulb do improve after a few hours of run time. I was just reading about it, with picture proof, concerning the Philips XV2:
www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/761231-Tax-Day-Special-on-ALL-NEW-PHILIPS-X-tremeVision-Gen2-150-HID-Xenon-Bulbs
By the way, actual Kelvin rating for those Osram bulbs, from Osram’s own specs sheets (and not the BS “up to” written on the packages) are:
Ultra Life : 4100K
Original Classic: 4100K
Original: 4300K
Night Breaker Laser: 4600K
Cool Blue Intense: 4800K
Cool Blue Advance: 6000K
Cool Blue Boost: 6000K
And that makes a lot more sense!
For Philips:
Standard: 4200K
Longer Life: 4300K
Vision: 4400K
X-Treme Vision Gen2: 4800K
White Vision Gen2: 5000K
Very true! Breaking in the bulbs makes a bit of difference!
Which is the whitest/bluest? I don't like how yellow my stock osrams are.
6000k or 8000k is what you need.
I’ve been looking for XV2 and have found there are quite a few in the one bulb type which of the xv2’s are you using
Thanks
Shoot us an email at support@theretrofitsource.com and we can help.
What can you recommend for s 2008 s63 amg. I want to try to get as close as possible as newer models output in light and also color?
Send us an email to sales@Theretrofitsource.com and we will point you in the right direction! There are so many different options, I know we have something that'll work well for you.
Hello my friend, how can I get a adapter for the 2017 Dog Charger lens? Do you have the first website for online shopping, thank you?
Send us an email at Sales@TheRetrofitSource.com and we’ll help you get exactly what you need!
Why are some of your comparisons lux and are normally in the 300-400 range and some are max lux and are 1400+?
it all depends on the heard were used. So products are better than others.
why would you measure only Hotspot and not couple spots to make a graphic to show how the light is spread among surface?
some lights will have less in Hotspot and more to sides, some will be concentrated in Hotspot, but not light up the sides of the road...
your representation of these bulbs is very raw...
Thanks for commenting, and for the idea! We will see if we can incorporate that into our videos!
Better than leds?
They are brighter!
Can you guys do a h11 bulb shootout?
YES! We will probably have that in the works very soon!
@@RetrofitSource more misleading drivel, I love it
im new to the hid scene. I noticed your video comparing the same bulbs but in d3s have half the lux rating? Whats up with that. Thanks
Some of these aftermarket D2S bulbs are significantly brighter than D3S.
my car currently has 4300k d2s factory bulbs and I wanted to upgrade to pure white while keeping xenon, what is the best choice ? something 5000k and or 6000k ?
We'd recommend 5000K or 5500K for a true white color!
@@RetrofitSource what is the difference between osram cba vs. cbi ? they’re both rated 6000k. are they both pure white ?
I have an 08 Stu with Hid and they suck I need a bulb that has a good output with out blinding income in traffic, Any recommendations
Here you are!
www.theretrofitsource.com/d2s-osram-xenarc-66240-nightbreaker-laser-B-66240XNL
Hi do you know which bulb will look the closest to 5500k-6000k with the d2s 5.0 projector 35W ballast?
Hello, shoot us an email at support@theretrofitsource.com
Dope... Thank you for doing this comparison.
Thanks for watching!
Hi what the kelvin ration for the Phillips bulbs
Philips Standard: 4300K
Philips XV2: 4800K
Philips WHV2: 5000K
I'm confused, you tested a d2s Laser vs XV last year and the Laser won. Is this a new XV bulb?
With different test conditions, you'll get different test results.
TheRetrofitSource Inc what was different?
They are extremely close to each other in both test tbh, way over the rest. So it can just be down to a different projector being used and quality variation in the manufacturing process.
I am stressing about all this, i have a Mercedes clk55 with the d2s lights but i dont want to upgrade to led but what im looking for a a really nice utra bright white light that has that blue hue to it like you see on those newer cars like bmw and Mercedes. Any help i will appreciate it
Reach out to our CS team so we can help you with this!
404-220-7940
Support@TheRetrofitSource.com
I need a D1S bulb, which one should I choose?
These ones should do nicely for you. www.theretrofitsource.com/d1s-philips-85415xvc1-xtreme-vision-54797.html
Do Osram bulbs break in? Bought osram CCI 6200k but seem little yellowish warm white
All HID bulbs will have to break in.
Now this is very strange:
- in another video you've put a similar comparison and Osram NBL was outperforming the Philips XV2, now you're saying that Philips > Osram
- same thing, in another video you've put the CBB outperforming the CBI, now you're saying that CBI > CBB
In other review seen, again Osram was outperforming the Philips on low beam but Philips outperformed Osram on high beam, but again, you've tested them on low beam not high beam, so why all these inconsistent results?
Their testing "methodology" is, to put it nicely, wrong.
That's a great question and before I give you the reasoning as to why discrepancies in tests like this can appear let me assure you that we did the test and reported 100% honstely what we've seen. There are no tricks being done to skew results. With that being said let me give you somethings to think about:
We did not do these tests in laboratory settings, but more of a real-world comparison. The maximum brightness may be different from test to test because the tests are done in different spaces with different ambient lighting, different lux meter tools, a different headlight unit, and performed at different distances. You need to remember that a Lux reading in and of itself does not mean anything - but a lux reading compared to other lux readings, in one controlled environment, is what is important. You need to consider all the factors for each of the tests you're looking at when determining what the results mean. If one bulb performed better at closer distances instead of longer distances, it means it doesn't have the concentration of another bulb. If One bulb performed better in headlight assembly A but worse in headlight assembly B, then that should be a part of your decision making process - which headlight are you using? I hope this helps!
@@RetrofitSource it's all meaningless. An actual test would involve more than one bulb, at the very least.
@@RetrofitSource I agree with the comment below yours. Can you do multiple bulbs of the same kind? For example, 3 of each and get an average lux reading for them.
Please share the distance at which the lux is checked. I am confused between xb2 and osram laser one, xb2 is of $140 and osram is of $109 on amazon. Will it be worthy to opt xv2.
No except if aesthetics matters to you. Then the Philips is a bit whiter.
What is Philip's standard max lux? 1600? And xtreme v2 is 1680?
Hey Nathan, give us a call and we'd be happy to explain - 404-220-7940
I honestly believe something is really wrong here... I just find it hard to believe that CBB can be beaten by CBI and XB 5500k. I think the bulb might not sat correctly or bulb was defective. You had a video on Osram shootout and CBB was the winner, CBI was second to last. I demand a redo!
Test results will always vary. Environmental factors play a huge part in the outcome of these.
Did you use a 35W ballast or 55W?
Thank you
We used a 35w ballast.
@@RetrofitSource Could you use a 50w with these same bulbs? What would it do to the lux(K), color and life?
I need 9005 & 9006 LED that preform as good if not better then 4500k 65w Osram silver-star halogen
That's a powerful light you are trying to replace. We would recommend an HID over LED in that case.
@@RetrofitSource i use them a lot while driving in the mountains so they get switched on and off up to 50 time per drive depending on traffic.
I know it'll be expensive but does such an LED exists?
my Philips xv2 seem super yellow to me, almost like a glorified halogen. I wish I could get that brightness and intensity, but in a pure white form.
50w CBB will be your friend then 😉
It may take 20 hours or so for the lights to burn in and reach full brightness
Quisiera instalar un kit aftermarket HID de Morimoto XB35 con bombillos Philips Xtreme Vision gen 2 D2S en una Mercedes Benz ML mod. 2015 que tiene faros halógenos H7 originalmente. ¿Cuáles son los componentes que debo comprar en TRS?
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How do Philips WHV2 compare in LUX to Philips XV2?
If you reach out to us, we can help you find the best HIDs - 404-220-7940
This video was filmed 3 years ago and we no longer have the data from that.
Do the morimotos still have a green hue problem? I been leaning towards Osram CBB on hylux 45 watt but of course I’d rather spend less money
That has been fixed for a long time!
are the XV2 still the best?
Yes!
@@RetrofitSourceNice, thanks for the response
No Mini H1 Led battle ?
You never know, We might!
Remind me again: what's the point of the new wall if we're not going to do anything more with it? All the lines and stuff, is that just for show or do we actually know what that means?
There's measurements all along it.
@@RetrofitSource Then please give us the beam 'width' lux measurements as well.
Are the Philips XV2's still the best in 2021? I am running the Osram Lasers from 2018 on my Lexus LS430 and they seem less bright now. Some Acura pulled up next to me and was noticeably brighter with its LEDs.
Might be time for a refresh! The Night Breaker Laser will most likely still be the brightest in your OEM lights!
Who does the song at the end of this video
That's a great question! I'm sure we found it on a no copyright playlist on youtube.
Would these results be similar to the d4s size?
Similar, yes!
Will these results be the same with d4s bulbs ?
Yes! Very similar!
What ballast was used? 35W or 55W?
We used a 35w ballast for the tests.
Damn good video!
Thanks for watching Diego!
How far was the lux measured?
25ft
Well crap I bought the night breaker with you all thinking it was the brightest.... I guess it is second best.
Todd N. didn’t watch video yet but some other sources claimed nightbreaker being the brightest.
Todd N. within the margin of error, in some test the NBL outperform the XV2. But the XV2 does have a nicer color with a clean 4800K.
They are all pretty close. Especially when you get them broken in. The environment does play a factor in this.
What size bulb for the D2S????
For D2S applications, you will need a D2S bulb size! Let us know if you need anything else!
What about CBN?
We'll have to make a new testing video for that one!
The Morimoto xb 5500k I can’t find , I only Can find the xb 5000k
As of right now, we only have 5000K or 6000K available
Are these all 35watt
Yes they are.
We need a 2022 update so I can buy the brightest
Osram Nightbreaker Laser!
Some guy stealing behind him 😂
Gotta get those light upgrades somehow!
D2s brighter than d3s?
It depends on the bulb and ballast combination for sure.
@@RetrofitSource A d2s HID ballast comparison would also be good.
Great idea! We’ll see what we can do.
Comprate watt più potente e levate il colore alla lampadina con paglietta metallica