Modern SC ... legitimate use of a sockpuppet in a cast. This is right up there with Artosis being haunted by Snow across a series of games. Who would've called this when we were kids? I love it.
Game 4 explained: The reason why effort had his 3rd hatchery in his main is because he thought mini had a 9-gateway build based on the scout timing of mini's probe. Since his first overlord did not see a gateway where it is supposed to be at the natural of 11 O'clock, he sent his overlord to 7 without looking further. Therefore, effort just assumed that mini was located at 5, which is why he took his drone that was sent to 3 O'clock for expansion back to his base. This is because it is difficult to fend off the expected zealot push when the protoss base is so close. However, mini's base was at 11 and by the time effort realized what was going on it was already too late to get his 3rd hatchery up elsewhere. I just wanted to point this out since Tastosis didn't mention it. Effort did the best that he could in all 4 matches. It was just that mini did better.
its Effort's first reactive decision in the first game that signaled to everyone he'd decided not to play. why rush 8 zerlings just to chase a probe around base? Why not 12, why not 20? He was playing like an invalid. All he had to do was move his mouse to the map screen and click his lings toward enemy base like every other player had done since 1997 for free first game win, and he couldn't even do that. I knew at that point he'd lost the match. Everyone in the audience groaned. 'oh dear, Effort's been paid to lose' Rather sad, i was hoping he would try win this ASL.
@plasmaastronaut That was also well planned by mini. Usually, when Zerg starts with pool-gas build, Zerg players consider it vital that they cut off the first scouting probe rather than going straight for the enemy base. This is because most pro-level Zergs just assume that sending their lings to protoss base is meaningless since by the time the lings get there, a cannon should be already up when the protoss goes for the forge-expansion build. The map for the first match 'invader' is a map where it is difficult to use a gateway start build because the natural has two paths. Since the gateway build is out of the option effort just assumed that there would be a cannon ready by the time his lings get there and chose to cut off mini's probe as quickly as possible. Why is it so important to cut off the scouting probe? Because it is important to hide what the Zerg wants to do after the pool-gas start. Hydralisk, mutas or lurkers, ling all-in... The protoss player is forced to take all of this into consideration when their scouting probe is lost too soon, giving Zerg the upper hand to carry out the game however it wants to. However, mini took advantage of this and decided to go for straight nexus and buy himself the time needed to get his cannons ready with his scouting probe. This is some bad-ass play pulled off by mini and not something effort should be blamed for.
@@plasmaastronaut In game 1 there is no way he'd get a "free win" since Mini had perfect information, and still went for Nexus first, which means he had the timing perfectly mapped. Instead, Effort waited to have zergling speed to run by the cannons, taking advantage of the 2nd ramp. Which was totally shut down by Mini's preemptive cannon in the main. In fact Mini played very carefully, and smacked down all Effort's aggression. I think that Soulkey will have a better shot simply by having more range, but I still favor Mini.
@@yyyy-uv3pono the timing was not mapped - if effort lings had gone straight to the base cannon would Not be up in time. Actually it is what the above poster said - mini assumed effort would not do it because in turn effort would anyway expect mini to have a cannon as his scout is the timing for forge first.
because the other casters are just as good. tastosis just benefits from being long-term giants of casting (legends kinds). doesn't make them super human anyways
Yeah, that really seems to be the crux of the match-up. Feels like a couple of seasons ago half of Terrans would die to the Muta harass or die when they moved out and got surrounded by Mutas and Lings. But now it seems like both of these are mostly solved for T, and we have had Terran dominance the latest seasons.
Artosis needed to do the ventriloquist takes a drink of water while tasteless puppet talks to make this a 15/10, but still a solid 14/10 performance by both 😂 I love you both please never stop ❤
SPOILERS Would've liked to see a more competitive semifinal, but it's also VERY nice to see Mini put on an utter clinic as the sole fighting toss, showing everyone how Protoss is supposed to be played. For Auir!
bruh, effort compared to a Soul Key or Soma is NIght and Day. Effort builds were awful and is micro was terrible. For sure not worthy of reaching this far in the tourney.
Spoilers Below: Despite the loss, Effort really showed his power in a lot of moments. Constant Hydra snipes, great surrounds and micro, good counter attacks. It just seemed like he was doing it all within Mini's world. I hope he keeps playing in ASL because he's very fun to watch.
Totally agree. He is my favorite zerg and I don't think the 4-0 score tells the entire story of this match. I thought Effort played really well, especially in the first two games.
PvZ is bad against Zerg if the game drags out, that's why it's very usual for Zerg to go aggressive early and control the match from there. While effort is a great player against P, I believe mini perfected the early game so he wouldn't die to all-ins and that's apparent to this match.
if this is the future format please add a buffer to end of the video so that i cannot be spoiled about the result of the last match (in general) when i notice the length of the video. Its a thing that TB used to do and it was brilliant for watching the vod
@@kizzagaming6523 I used to be *huge* into UMS, so much so that I was one of those guys that'd do like 80% of the "bound" maps myself. Never been good at regular matches though, maybe after having watched pro games for a while I could be somewhat competent.
@@EODTex Fair, at some point I got hooked as well but I still played competitively and went to WCG and other events. I used to love Marine Special Forces and some of the TD's / RPGS.
Almost didnt recognize you Tasteless - Looking warmed up as ever. SPOILER: Honestly, seeing the video length of the video I was thinking it was going to be a 4-0 or 4-1 Effort win but dam Mini played incredibly well.
*[SPOILERS]* Post-games season 16 map statistics *[MATCH-UPS]* TvZ 17-18 (avg. time 13:37, T wins at 14:45, Z wins at 12:31) ZvP 9-8 (avg. time 13:31, Z wins at 14:50, P wins at 12:02) PvT 12-11 (avg. time 16:42, P wins at 15:17, T wins at 18:15) TvT 5 (avg. time 14:59) ZvZ 13 (avg. time 09:48) PvP 2 (avg. time 12:58) Overall avg. time 13:53 *[GAMES]* Longest: free vs EffOrt on Tempest (35:29) Shortest: Rush vs SoulKey on Neo Dark Origin (02:59) *[SPAWN LOCATION]* Top (10-3 o'clock) 44-40 ~ 52% Bottom (4-9 o'clock) 50-55 ~ 48% Left (1-6 o'clock) 52-42 ~ 55% Right (7-12 o'clock) 42-53 ~ 44% Against clockwise opponent 27-25 ~ 52% *[MAP CHOICES]* Invader 6 Polypoid 6 La Campanella 5 Neo Dark Origin 4 Tempest 3 Retro 2 *[MAP BANS]* La Campanella 7 Invader 4 Neo Dark Origin 4 Tempest 4 Apocalypse 3 Polypoid 2 *[MAPS]* *Apocalypse* 19 games, avg. time 12:24 TvZ 4-3 (avg. time 12:03) ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 11:38) PvT 3-1 (avg. time 12:01) TvT 1 (avg. time 21:06) ZvZ 3 (avg. time 10:29) PvP 1 (avg. time 16:29) *Invader* 14 games, avg. time 11:30 TvZ 1-2 (avg. time 08:08) ZvP 3-1 (avg. time 11:38) PvT 2-1 (avg. time 14:19) TvT 1 (avg. time 21:34) ZvZ 3 (avg. time 08:33) *La Campanella* 10 games, avg. time 20:24 TvZ 3-2 (avg. time 22:46) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 35:29) PvT 1-0 (avg. time 21:30) TvT 2 (avg. time 12:31) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:14) *Neo Dark Origin* 10 games, avg. time 10:25 TvZ 2-3 (avg. time 07:32) ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 14:34) PvT 2-0 (avg. time 17:30) ZvZ 2 (avg. time 08:30) *Polypoid* 15 games, avg. time 14:02 TvZ 3-1 (avg. time 17:17) ZvP 0-2 (avg. time 07:11) PvT 2-2 (avg. time 18:20) TvT 1 (avg. time 07:12) ZvZ 2 (avg. time 08:30) PvP 1 (avg. time 09:27) *Retro* 15 games, avg. time 14:02 TvZ 2-5 (avg. time 15:44) ZvP 2-1 (avg. time 15:31) PvT 0-4 (avg. time 15:19) ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:00) *Tempest* 12 games, avg. time 14:46 TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 09:13) ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 12:45) PvT 2-3 (avg. time 20:24) *[Comments]* - Mini does the impossible, he takes a win for P on Retro! By overcoming the map that sent Bisu and Best to the losers match in Ro16 and caused their elimination, Mini paved his way to a 4-0. - In doing this Mini single-handingly in just one evening takes the PvZ match-up this season from 4-9 to 8-9! - For Invader and Apocalypse Mini got the best and effOrt the worst spawn locations: combined scores are 20-7 against 6-18. Mini did however take the first win spawning at 11 o'clock on Polypoid. The spawn is now 1-5, still the worst across all maps. - Perhaps the most interesting thing is that in PvZ, long games favour Z which wasn't the case season 12. This season the average P win is at 12:02 and average Z win at 14:50. Almost a 3 minute descrepancy, which is very different from season 12's slightly above 10 seconds descrepancy in the other direction. *[Predictions for the Finals]* Just for the fun of it, based on both the data and my gut feeling. [Map Order, SoulKey going first] Invader Apocalypse Neo Dark Origin Tempest Retro Polypoid La Campanella [Results] Invader: SoulKey wins easily if he spawns at 11 o'clock, otherwise 50-50 Apocalypse: Mini wins unless SoulKey spawns at 12, otherwise 50-50 Neo Dark Origin: one of them will cheese and lose Tempest: spawn location determines winner 5 >> 7 > 1 > 11 Retro: even though Mini performed a miracle today, SoulKey takes this. If however Mini does take Retro, he takes the entire series. Polypoid: Mini takes this unless he spawns at 11 La Campanella: SoulKey takes this map. Final Result: 4-3 to SoulKey (4.3 to 2.7)
+1 just finishing in the last game... WIRE-THIN there, quite important and impactful I'd argue if this were a closer game there. You can keep watching the raiding units when the observer cheques them... and NOTHING, but you notices just after it dies! (1:32:20) - When the Fleshy Protoss dies to the Mechanical Protoss.
Excellent translation. The Korean commentators are so good at hyping it up, I wish could watch it with them. Sorry Tastosis, your passion is still appreciated 🙏
Puppet tasteless is awesome. I was really missing him... and hope that he'll be around in future seasons... but puppet tasteless made my whole evening better. :D
Would love to see small 1st person segments in these broadcasts. Both players had well over 400 APM for longer periods of time and it'd be fun to watch that.
just finished the series! Whoa... Mini the new protoss bonjwa?? those builds were cleaaan, man. Super optimized. A little more or a little less in either direction could've ended in disaster. Immaculate. Glad we don't have a zvz final :)
@@henrytovarb950 oh definitely. I was half joking about the bonjwa part but he is super impressive right now. Soulkey has a hell of a series ahead of him.
There has not been a Protoss bonjwa thus far, the closest I think was Jangbi but Blizzard shamefully ended OSL before he got the chance for a third OSL title.
Yeah I guess that the unrelenting attacks from Mini just kept Effort from upgrading it's units. Effort was holding out for a while but that came at the cost of his upgrades
Zealots 2+1 armor makes zealots too tanky against a 0/0 hydra. It would take about 30-40 shots from a hydra to kill a single zealot with no shields and full life.
@@Rockboygg Yes, lings are completely useless against 2 armor zealots with 1 attack. Get 2 shottet and deal no damage. Dragoons also become very tanky vs the hydras when the upgrade advatange is this severe
The interview, Caster Park said that Mini already has 2 ASL trophies? That ain't true. He has 1 ASL trophy and 2 other silver medals. Was it a mistranslation?
Awesome series and great casting! When Mini loses his base because of the lurker egg on the north ramp, could he have stormed the egg to kill it and save his base? (Remember stormegg from a few seasons back)
Whom do we need to ask or what do we need to do to get anti-spoiler length added to the end of videos. SPOILERS AHEAD Oh cool, Mini is up 2-0 and there are fewer than 40 minutes left in the video (including winner's interview). I wonder who wins the series and what the final score is. And it's not even something you can avoid, necessarily. It's right there on the thumbnail, so unless you can induce selective amnesia, there isn't much you can do to keep up any suspense. People used to do this all the time with Starleague casts; why can't we do it now?
Wow mini just dropped a steamer into efforts sock. This one had to hurt. I'm surprised with efforts gameplan. I was expecting more 9 pool speed feints to kinda keep mini honest while taking an eco advantage... ya know like 9pool speed but only make 6-8 lings then go for a 3rd and get a lot of sunkens. I think that's the style that will work best against mini.
Just some feedback on the stream: these two Ro4 vods have had very low game volume and artosis's microphone volume seems to be peaking, tasteless mic is perfect though
@@utarian7 nah cause what im talking about is going a ling rush and 2 base lurker all in while making mistakes before interacting with mini. Unless you wanna say he got tilted after mini won 2 0
I wonder if they could do something in between a pro house and isolated living. I had a classmate in grade school who grew up in a cohousing community where everyone owned their own condo but there was also a shared farmhouse, garden, workshop, and guest house as communal space. A Starcraft focused cohousing community would probably work pretty well. Everyone could have their own private residence but also have a communal LAN space.
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Glad Tasteless is finally feeling good enough to show on camera, in fact he looks better than ever
really slimmed up, good for him
@@theytookmybeard551 neck width oddly still equal to head width, but still love to see a young man feel lighter on his feet!
On the other hand, Arty looks a bit rough
@@ryankim345 On the other hand? ON THE OTHER HAND!?
I thought he looked a bit pale.
I’m glad to see Tasteless on camera again, and looking better than ever.
Puppet tasteless has made my day thank you guys! Can’t wait to watch some great games!
ironic because artosis looks like a muppet on stream according to his own wife
Modern SC ... legitimate use of a sockpuppet in a cast. This is right up there with Artosis being haunted by Snow across a series of games. Who would've called this when we were kids? I love it.
With the developments in AI and sock technology, they can literally cast SC forever.
This is the first ASL match I ever saw, and I really liked it!
Welcome to the party pal 🎉
now, 15 seasons to watch to catch up ;-) ... but really, it's worth it, even just ro4 and finals
The Tasteless puppet cracked me up instantly, GG!
Game 4 explained:
The reason why effort had his 3rd hatchery in his main is because he thought mini had a 9-gateway build based on the scout timing of mini's probe.
Since his first overlord did not see a gateway where it is supposed to be at the natural of 11 O'clock, he sent his overlord to 7 without looking further.
Therefore, effort just assumed that mini was located at 5, which is why he took his drone that was sent to 3 O'clock for expansion back to his base.
This is because it is difficult to fend off the expected zealot push when the protoss base is so close.
However, mini's base was at 11 and by the time effort realized what was going on it was already too late to get his 3rd hatchery up elsewhere.
I just wanted to point this out since Tastosis didn't mention it.
Effort did the best that he could in all 4 matches. It was just that mini did better.
its Effort's first reactive decision in the first game that signaled to everyone he'd decided not to play.
why rush 8 zerlings just to chase a probe around base? Why not 12, why not 20?
He was playing like an invalid. All he had to do was move his mouse to the map screen and click his lings toward enemy base like every other player had done since 1997 for free first game win, and he couldn't even do that. I knew at that point he'd lost the match.
Everyone in the audience groaned. 'oh dear, Effort's been paid to lose'
Rather sad, i was hoping he would try win this ASL.
@plasmaastronaut That was also well planned by mini.
Usually, when Zerg starts with pool-gas build, Zerg players consider it vital that they cut off the first scouting probe rather than going straight for the enemy base.
This is because most pro-level Zergs just assume that sending their lings to protoss base is meaningless since by the time the lings get there, a cannon should be already up when the protoss goes for the forge-expansion build. The map for the first match 'invader' is a map where it is difficult to use a gateway start build because the natural has two paths. Since the gateway build is out of the option effort just assumed that there would be a cannon ready by the time his lings get there and chose to cut off mini's probe as quickly as possible.
Why is it so important to cut off the scouting probe?
Because it is important to hide what the Zerg wants to do after the pool-gas start.
Hydralisk, mutas or lurkers, ling all-in... The protoss player is forced to take all of this into consideration when their scouting probe is lost too soon, giving Zerg the upper hand to carry out the game however it wants to.
However, mini took advantage of this and decided to go for straight nexus and buy himself the time needed to get his cannons ready with his scouting probe.
This is some bad-ass play pulled off by mini and not something effort should be blamed for.
@@plasmaastronaut In game 1 there is no way he'd get a "free win" since Mini had perfect information, and still went for Nexus first, which means he had the timing perfectly mapped.
Instead, Effort waited to have zergling speed to run by the cannons, taking advantage of the 2nd ramp.
Which was totally shut down by Mini's preemptive cannon in the main.
In fact Mini played very carefully, and smacked down all Effort's aggression.
I think that Soulkey will have a better shot simply by having more range, but I still favor Mini.
@@yyyy-uv3pono the timing was not mapped - if effort lings had gone straight to the base cannon would
Not be up in time. Actually it is what the above poster said - mini assumed effort would not do it because in turn effort would anyway expect mini to have a cannon as his scout is the timing for forge first.
@@libertyl8170you really know you’re stuff lol…. Are you Korean? Did you watch best stream like me ^^ he said the exact same things
Doing the sock puppet thing with a straight face is the funniest thing I have ever seen. How can you not support these guys on Patreon after this?
because the other casters are just as good. tastosis just benefits from being long-term giants of casting (legends kinds). doesn't make them super human anyways
@@FW2F Link me to these other casters' sock puppet antics and I'll believe you.
@@thomassteele9649 hehe
Wow, Tasteless slimmed out a lot again! And so quickly, too. Good for him.
GGs! That was a joy to watch ;)
Tasteless is looking better than ever!
Love to have Tasteless back !!! This is so much fun. You guys are amazing ! Keep it up
If Mini could just train up the other protosses on how not to die to 2-3 hatch hydra every game that would be great
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Yeah, that really seems to be the crux of the match-up.
Feels like a couple of seasons ago half of Terrans would die to the Muta harass or die when they moved out and got surrounded by Mutas and Lings. But now it seems like both of these are mostly solved for T, and we have had Terran dominance the latest seasons.
Bro it feels like everytime terran tries dropships against Zerg they throw the game@@HasekuraIsuna
Can't train anyone if he also dies to hydra bust himself. Just earlier today he died to Soulkey's 3H Hydra in Proleague.
@@dirkauditore8413 if I ever make a ASL bingo, Terran trying to drop Zerg, get pwned and continue to lose the game will absolutely be on that card!
Artosis needed to do the ventriloquist takes a drink of water while tasteless puppet talks to make this a 15/10, but still a solid 14/10 performance by both 😂 I love you both please never stop ❤
Lmaooooo😂 Artosis dedication to not breaking
All his years of suffering chat's Mario erotica have conditioned him well.
Good to see Tasteless back!
SPOILERS
Would've liked to see a more competitive semifinal, but it's also VERY nice to see Mini put on an utter clinic as the sole fighting toss, showing everyone how Protoss is supposed to be played. For Auir!
Setting up for a high intensity grand final!
bruh, effort compared to a Soul Key or Soma is NIght and Day. Effort builds were awful and is micro was terrible. For sure not worthy of reaching this far in the tourney.
Sock Puppet Tasteless isn't the Hero we need, but the Hero we deserve. We salute you. o7
The Tastless face reveal we've all been waiting for :D
The ability to listen and mimic Tasteless words with the puppet, and answer the questions while focus on that.... Amazing! See you in the finals!
It's so good to see Tasteless and Artosis casting together in person again!
Wow, that's The greatest ASL thumbnail so far...
Spoilers Below:
Despite the loss, Effort really showed his power in a lot of moments. Constant Hydra snipes, great surrounds and micro, good counter attacks. It just seemed like he was doing it all within Mini's world. I hope he keeps playing in ASL because he's very fun to watch.
Totally agree. He is my favorite zerg and I don't think the 4-0 score tells the entire story of this match. I thought Effort played really well, especially in the first two games.
PvZ is bad against Zerg if the game drags out, that's why it's very usual for Zerg to go aggressive early and control the match from there. While effort is a great player against P, I believe mini perfected the early game so he wouldn't die to all-ins and that's apparent to this match.
I was there when Socktosis was born.
1:20:58 to be honest, I think he wanted to parody everyone shaking their cards 😅
best part of this video!
omg, the sock puppet is so great. I can't wait to see Artosis and TasteSock cast the ASL finals!
Love that tasteless is back on camera. his beard is looking great, headset is beautiful. thank you artosis for empowering tasteless
if this is the future format please add a buffer to end of the video so that i cannot be spoiled about the result of the last match (in general) when i notice the length of the video.
Its a thing that TB used to do and it was brilliant for watching the vod
This is the type of Tastosis shenanigans I watch for. Bring back stories of horsemeat!
Get your boats ready 🎉🎉
Every single time Effort and Mini fight it ends up being absolutely amazing
Short one-sided games are very rarely amazing. This series was very disappointing even to the casters. The loser just didn't bring their best.
@@eurapeonthe loser always does that if he's up against this kind of matchup as he wants to finish the game quickly
something wrong on Effort
Love to see tasteless again, missed seeing his happy face!
Please consider adding empty time at the end to prevent spoilers based on VOD length 🙏
Glad to see that you finally got the appropriate size for Tasteless' head
having the lurker attack the neutral egg to hit the DT was some big brain play. Mini lookin good after game 1 :)
Thanks for the great cast Socktosis!
I didn't know you enjoyed BW Tex :D, do you play as well? I find myself in Zoast's streams watching SC more than SM lol
@@kizzagaming6523 I used to be *huge* into UMS, so much so that I was one of those guys that'd do like 80% of the "bound" maps myself. Never been good at regular matches though, maybe after having watched pro games for a while I could be somewhat competent.
@@EODTex Fair, at some point I got hooked as well but I still played competitively and went to WCG and other events. I used to love Marine Special Forces and some of the TD's / RPGS.
The most TOP NOTCH use of a puppet I have ever seen, and that's saying A LOT!
Almost didnt recognize you Tasteless - Looking warmed up as ever.
SPOILER:
Honestly, seeing the video length of the video I was thinking it was going to be a 4-0 or 4-1 Effort win but dam Mini played incredibly well.
The sock puppet is hilarious haha, good job :DD
*[SPOILERS]*
Post-games season 16 map statistics
*[MATCH-UPS]*
TvZ 17-18 (avg. time 13:37, T wins at 14:45, Z wins at 12:31)
ZvP 9-8 (avg. time 13:31, Z wins at 14:50, P wins at 12:02)
PvT 12-11 (avg. time 16:42, P wins at 15:17, T wins at 18:15)
TvT 5 (avg. time 14:59)
ZvZ 13 (avg. time 09:48)
PvP 2 (avg. time 12:58)
Overall avg. time 13:53
*[GAMES]*
Longest: free vs EffOrt on Tempest (35:29)
Shortest: Rush vs SoulKey on Neo Dark Origin (02:59)
*[SPAWN LOCATION]*
Top (10-3 o'clock) 44-40 ~ 52%
Bottom (4-9 o'clock) 50-55 ~ 48%
Left (1-6 o'clock) 52-42 ~ 55%
Right (7-12 o'clock) 42-53 ~ 44%
Against clockwise opponent 27-25 ~ 52%
*[MAP CHOICES]*
Invader 6
Polypoid 6
La Campanella 5
Neo Dark Origin 4
Tempest 3
Retro 2
*[MAP BANS]*
La Campanella 7
Invader 4
Neo Dark Origin 4
Tempest 4
Apocalypse 3
Polypoid 2
*[MAPS]*
*Apocalypse*
19 games, avg. time 12:24
TvZ 4-3 (avg. time 12:03)
ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 11:38)
PvT 3-1 (avg. time 12:01)
TvT 1 (avg. time 21:06)
ZvZ 3 (avg. time 10:29)
PvP 1 (avg. time 16:29)
*Invader*
14 games, avg. time 11:30
TvZ 1-2 (avg. time 08:08)
ZvP 3-1 (avg. time 11:38)
PvT 2-1 (avg. time 14:19)
TvT 1 (avg. time 21:34)
ZvZ 3 (avg. time 08:33)
*La Campanella*
10 games, avg. time 20:24
TvZ 3-2 (avg. time 22:46)
ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 35:29)
PvT 1-0 (avg. time 21:30)
TvT 2 (avg. time 12:31)
ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:14)
*Neo Dark Origin*
10 games, avg. time 10:25
TvZ 2-3 (avg. time 07:32)
ZvP 1-0 (avg. time 14:34)
PvT 2-0 (avg. time 17:30)
ZvZ 2 (avg. time 08:30)
*Polypoid*
15 games, avg. time 14:02
TvZ 3-1 (avg. time 17:17)
ZvP 0-2 (avg. time 07:11)
PvT 2-2 (avg. time 18:20)
TvT 1 (avg. time 07:12)
ZvZ 2 (avg. time 08:30)
PvP 1 (avg. time 09:27)
*Retro*
15 games, avg. time 14:02
TvZ 2-5 (avg. time 15:44)
ZvP 2-1 (avg. time 15:31)
PvT 0-4 (avg. time 15:19)
ZvZ 1 (avg. time 08:00)
*Tempest*
12 games, avg. time 14:46
TvZ 2-2 (avg. time 09:13)
ZvP 1-2 (avg. time 12:45)
PvT 2-3 (avg. time 20:24)
*[Comments]*
- Mini does the impossible, he takes a win for P on Retro! By overcoming the map that sent Bisu and Best to the losers match in Ro16 and caused their elimination, Mini paved his way to a 4-0.
- In doing this Mini single-handingly in just one evening takes the PvZ match-up this season from 4-9 to 8-9!
- For Invader and Apocalypse Mini got the best and effOrt the worst spawn locations: combined scores are 20-7 against 6-18. Mini did however take the first win spawning at 11 o'clock on Polypoid. The spawn is now 1-5, still the worst across all maps.
- Perhaps the most interesting thing is that in PvZ, long games favour Z which wasn't the case season 12. This season the average P win is at 12:02 and average Z win at 14:50. Almost a 3 minute descrepancy, which is very different from season 12's slightly above 10 seconds descrepancy in the other direction.
*[Predictions for the Finals]*
Just for the fun of it, based on both the data and my gut feeling.
[Map Order, SoulKey going first]
Invader
Apocalypse
Neo Dark Origin
Tempest
Retro
Polypoid
La Campanella
[Results]
Invader: SoulKey wins easily if he spawns at 11 o'clock, otherwise 50-50
Apocalypse: Mini wins unless SoulKey spawns at 12, otherwise 50-50
Neo Dark Origin: one of them will cheese and lose
Tempest: spawn location determines winner 5 >> 7 > 1 > 11
Retro: even though Mini performed a miracle today, SoulKey takes this. If however Mini does take Retro, he takes the entire series.
Polypoid: Mini takes this unless he spawns at 11
La Campanella: SoulKey takes this map.
Final Result: 4-3 to SoulKey (4.3 to 2.7)
Dude thanks for sharing these numbers. I hope you are right and we will have 7 games in the final
Those are some comprehensive statistics, nice job!
it's interesting, but if mini shows the form he showed this match, soulkey has no chance
@@szmike Yeah, I went mostly by just the map statistics so what players play are not really accounted for.
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Mini won 4-0 and still thrashed around in his chair like 3 times lol. Love it
+1 just finishing in the last game... WIRE-THIN there, quite important and impactful I'd argue if this were a closer game there. You can keep watching the raiding units when the observer cheques them... and NOTHING, but you notices just after it dies! (1:32:20) - When the Fleshy Protoss dies to the Mechanical Protoss.
I never watch these games on my phone but as soon as I saw the thumbnail..... jeez tasteless you look sick.
Excellent translation. The Korean commentators are so good at hyping it up, I wish could watch it with them. Sorry Tastosis, your passion is still appreciated 🙏
Every VOD we are one step closer to AI Tasteless
Puppet tasteless is awesome. I was really missing him... and hope that he'll be around in future seasons... but puppet tasteless made my whole evening better. :D
They actually turned him into a puppet. Absolute madmen. Been an amazing season!
I love the level of detail to put the beard and headset on sock tasteless
Would love to see small 1st person segments in these broadcasts. Both players had well over 400 APM for longer periods of time and it'd be fun to watch that.
They don't control the cameras, and the spectator system doesn't let them view the games in first person.
ARTOSIS! Omg the sock puppet Tasteless 😂😂😂
Grats on the weight loss tasteless ❤
I can only hope Artosis did not tell Tasteless about this and he finds out by watching the video.
These guys are fighting on two fronts the way other players do on one. Amazing
TASTELESS HAHAHA :D I love these guys!
These thumbnails are killing me, so freaking funny!
just finished the series! Whoa... Mini the new protoss bonjwa?? those builds were cleaaan, man. Super optimized. A little more or a little less in either direction could've ended in disaster. Immaculate. Glad we don't have a zvz final :)
He didn't do a single Proxy Gate, probably what was holding him back lol
To me, Mini is the best toss in the ASL era. Bonjwa sounds a bit too far yet, but he is the only one toss with the potential for it
@@henrytovarb950 oh definitely. I was half joking about the bonjwa part but he is super impressive right now. Soulkey has a hell of a series ahead of him.
There has not been a Protoss bonjwa thus far, the closest I think was Jangbi but Blizzard shamefully ended OSL before he got the chance for a third OSL title.
@@HasekuraIsuna because Larva flashbacks. But since effort went all aggressive the whole match, it actually worked for him.
NOW THIS IS PRODUCTION VALUE! THIS IS WHAT MY PATREON MONEY GOES TO AND ITS WORTH EVERY CANADIAN LOONEY
goated - internet historians will refer back to this video
In that game 2 the upgrade advantage for protoss was crazy. 1 attack 2 armor protoss vs 0-0 Zerg is just unfair
Yeah I guess that the unrelenting attacks from Mini just kept Effort from upgrading it's units.
Effort was holding out for a while but that came at the cost of his upgrades
@@lavq7000 Yeah he killed the evo chamber while it presumably was upgrading the +1 range attack as well
Zealots 2+1 armor makes zealots too tanky against a 0/0 hydra. It would take about 30-40 shots from a hydra to kill a single zealot with no shields and full life.
@@Rockboygg Yes, lings are completely useless against 2 armor zealots with 1 attack. Get 2 shottet and deal no damage. Dragoons also become very tanky vs the hydras when the upgrade advatange is this severe
The interview, Caster Park said that Mini already has 2 ASL trophies? That ain't true. He has 1 ASL trophy and 2 other silver medals. Was it a mistranslation?
I'm so happy you actually brought out the sock puppet.
Haha. He drew a beard and put a headset on the tasteless puppet! Nice callback from the last video.
Love how Tasteless trimmed his beard! Really neat.
I'm shocked how well the winner played... I feel bad for the other player in the finals. I think they may be one-sided.
Awesome series and great casting!
When Mini loses his base because of the lurker egg on the north ramp, could he have stormed the egg to kill it and save his base? (Remember stormegg from a few seasons back)
Tasteless looking fresher than ever. I love the new look!
Whom do we need to ask or what do we need to do to get anti-spoiler length added to the end of videos. SPOILERS AHEAD
Oh cool, Mini is up 2-0 and there are fewer than 40 minutes left in the video (including winner's interview). I wonder who wins the series and what the final score is.
And it's not even something you can avoid, necessarily. It's right there on the thumbnail, so unless you can induce selective amnesia, there isn't much you can do to keep up any suspense. People used to do this all the time with Starleague casts; why can't we do it now?
Sockless is amazing
Thank you for this
Brilliant
Oh my God that puppet Tasteless is 10/10. Fantastic! :)
Lmao. The sock puppet is amazing. I love you guys.
1:13:15 btw isn't Efforts spawn 8 o clock? with the direct corner being technically 7 30? idk lol
the interpretation is on point. it feels way more engaging than trying to 1:1 translate the niche stuff
Wow mini just dropped a steamer into efforts sock. This one had to hurt. I'm surprised with efforts gameplan. I was expecting more 9 pool speed feints to kinda keep mini honest while taking an eco advantage... ya know like 9pool speed but only make 6-8 lings then go for a 3rd and get a lot of sunkens. I think that's the style that will work best against mini.
That's flash. he's microing against snow while using a sock puppet to cast the semi finals
Excellent games baby hell ya that was real good by mini :D
Will be such a fun finals to watch
Instant gold. I'm impressed Artosis used a clean looking sock.
Lmaoooo the sock puppet, yall actually did it
You get an upvote not just cause this is awesome but especially cause of the way artosis manipulates that tasteless sock puppet.
Just some feedback on the stream: these two Ro4 vods have had very low game volume and artosis's microphone volume seems to be peaking, tasteless mic is perfect though
Oh my God, I assumed the puppet would just be in the thumbnail image. Killed me
Artosis is having a hard time nodding his head separately from Tastless lol
No 3rd place match in this season too?
what a perfect concept with the sock puppet lmao 🤣
YESSS the PUPPET! THIS IS WHAT WE PLAY FORRRR!
Mini is the new Protoss saviour.
I love the fast uploads but you know what we've needed for a long time now? anti-spoiler at the end of the video.
Won’t happen, bad for the algorithm. Most people say to use a browser plug-in to hide video length
Tasteless really let himself go. Artosis is basically carrying him in the commentary.
AfreecaTV does other sports?! What do you mean other SPORTS? What is there besides brood war
*Sees VoD length*
Someone's going to have a bad day...
Hello there!
Love the sock puppet. But why doesn't Tasteless have his camera on? :)
Looking good Tasteless!
This new camera angle slims down Tasteles head very nicely
Thanks dan and the other guy
When will the grand final be uploaded to UA-cam, or where can I find out? Thank you
Tasteless's head can finally fit the screen.
Tasteless' plastic surgeon really came through. Congrats on the new look!
"he plays like a pervert" LOLOLOL never more accurate statement
The audio from tasteless is a bit desynced. You can really see it around the 13 minute mark.
12:42 korean cosmetic surgery has gone too far
Effort played well 1st 2 games but last 2 he really channeled his inner B rank zerg powers.
Well, getting destroyed every game has to do something. It also give you less options build order mind game wise...
@@majormononoke8958true but on the other hand, look at Soulkey who did the reverse
Give Mini the credit for making effort look B rank
@@utarian7 nah cause what im talking about is going a ling rush and 2 base lurker all in while making mistakes before interacting with mini. Unless you wanna say he got tilted after mini won 2 0
I wonder if they could do something in between a pro house and isolated living. I had a classmate in grade school who grew up in a cohousing community where everyone owned their own condo but there was also a shared farmhouse, garden, workshop, and guest house as communal space. A Starcraft focused cohousing community would probably work pretty well. Everyone could have their own private residence but also have a communal LAN space.
Finally the tasteless hand puppet!😁