Allen there's too many just wanting that quick buck , some probably not even gas registered, we should have a scheme where if the boiler is sold your registration should be taken against the serial number at the point of sale , and that would help make sure the benchmark , and workmanship ect are done correctly
Great video and very informative. I’m electrician but I love watching your videos and learning about your trade. Always got to listen to a quality tradesman 👍🏻
A note to all, The manufacturers installation instructions supercedes any other method of install. Most of these bad installs are done on the cheap where the customer dont have money to pay for qualified gas safe engineers, then come crying when system fails and wishing they had payed the right price for the professional in the first place!! Great videos as always Allen!👍
What made me chuckle was when you showed the Baxi installation corrected, but at 12:10 you show the flue moved up the wall, and where the brick 'plug' has been replaced in the original hole, there's no cement around it! Absolutely Priceless!!
Thanks for the great videos Allen, I really appreciate them. You're a man after my own heart. It looks like this industry, like a lot of others, is rife with 'bodgit and scarper' merchants. I can't say I'm even impressed with the quality of the re-work done on that installation. After watching your vids and listening to people locally who have had poor boiler installations by 'experts', and so called yearly inspections that have not found faults, (the main protagonist seems to be British Gas), I'm not at all confident in the industry. I've been quoted an exorbitant amount to replace my simple heat only boiler, so I'm going to replace it myself and ensure it's done properly and safely to a high standard of workmanship and tested thoroughly. If 'Gas-safe' want to prosecute me, so be it, but I'll guarantee they won't find anything wrong.
I work for British Gas cards in and always do it right,the only ones that don’t are subies.we are an easy target for idiots like you and I hope you get prosecuted.A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Hey Allen. Thanks for sharing. I don't know how people do this. The 2nd installation was shocking. The fact that they took the flue out from the small structural wall is just horrendous. What did make me chuckle was that they also plastered it into the wall.. Nice wall feature...
Omg and customers think I'm being silly when I point out in the MI'S of there boiler and show them black and white what the manufacturer say and don't do.. Great video again and again another awareness to keep with us out there when we do come across them. Good video again
Seeing these just make me want to get out of this work sector and standards are falling so much. I feel gas safe should be doing more and have more powers. There’s guys out here what have no tickets doing this and under cutting the good guys. Keep these vids coming out
Hi, thank you for your informative videos. what advice and warnings would you give to customers to look out for when hiring a plumber, particularly for servicing boilers?
One quick point. On a Worcester course I pointed out that the screw supplied to screw into the flue on a vertical flue fitting on top of the boiler. Is to short. I showed the guy he said not his problem it’s the design.
Iv got a 22mm gas pipe going up the side of my house that I think looks scruffy, do you have any recommendations on a product that I can use to cover the pipe work?
I always laugh at the pictures in the gas safe magazine don’t have to now you’ve made a video cheers 👍 also where did you get that organiser for you bulk head in your van cheers haha
Yes cowboys are at fault, however pathetic customers who find these cowboys on FB with unbelievable low prices deserve what they get, great vid Allen ! ❤️
Really? So if an old couple find a great price but he’s got all the “certificates” and all the jargon they deserve possible death bcos he’s a cowboy. Not sure I agree with you.
Carnt believe its been done by a gas engineer alan. That boiler has so many faults that the boiler needs moving and installing correctly. It's not hard to do our job right alan .we have one of the best jobs in the world.
Hi I had a boiler install done while I was at work. They installed the boiler with 3/4 of it below ceiling height. At least 1/4 of the top of the boiler is sitting above ceiling area. Company who installed went bust. Now stuck on completing the ceiling install. A right nightmare for me. Anyway I could ask you for advice? Thanks in advance if you can help?
I like your self ain't sure whether or not. Those flue screws, the manufacturers own. Corrosive, correct length/ diameter. The duct tape on the gas pipe is the right type, colour/necessary, if it was on hinge clips ?
Hi Allan the Worsted you were checking for your client was a disaster.did you check out the rest of the system to see if it was done to the same high standard ?
At 4:10, don't the boiler installation instructions or plastic pipe installation guidelines say that plastic piping should not be installed closer than 1m of the boiler i.e. 1m copper pipework between the boiler and plastic pipe?
Copper is not allowed to be used for gas in the US. That's only used for domestic, heating lines and oil. We use black steel pipe for gas. I prefer that
Keith Aspland 😂 Gas is the only area my DIY skills do not extend to...but have done a lot of plumbing...rads, baths, showers, sinks, outside taps etc. Edit...soldering, compression and now push fit.
Great videos Allen, interesting to see. I'm looking into getting a condensing boiler to replace my existing non condensing one should the gov pay for 2/3 the installation cost. However, my existing gas pipe is 15mm from the gas meter. It might be worth a video to explain any regulations that dictate that a 22mm pipe to the new boiler is a requirement or not, and if there's issues with running the new pipe and any bodges where 15mm to 22mm reduces have been put on the other way that makes it apparent it has been done, but not actually. I am dreading a new pipe run and explaining to my better half this would need to be done first before decorating then undoing is challenging for sure......
There is no regulation that specifies a 22mm has supppy to a boiler, however the gas supply should be adequate to supply the total property load, which basically means the total KW rating of all appliances running at once. So a calculation of the appliances KW ratings and the length of Gas pipework runs will determine the size of the Gas pipe you need for the total volume of Gas it will carry. Hope that helps in some way, probably doesn’t. 🥴
@@kevincranfield5235 that's good to hear, as lots of websites such as www.boilerguide.co.uk/articles/replacing-central-heating-pipes quote as saying it's a Gas regulation to do so.
Hi Kevin Most boiler say the gas MUST be 22mm. Some like the ideal logic have a 15mm connection and are able to have some 15mm depending on pipe sizing. Thanks.
It’s recommended, but it all depends on the KW rating and distance from the meter etc, there is no regulation I know of that says a 22mm gas supply is required. You may require a larger pipe than 22mm, it all depends on the Boiler output, other appliances and length of pipework etc etc. You also stated that you are replacing a standard efficiency with a condensing boiler, you never mentioned you where converting it to a Combi boiler.
These installs give me PTSD! I don't know how many out of code and out of manufacturers specifications I've had to tear down and install correctly just because someone else installs it like shite. Some of my customers complain because the boiler previously didnt have adequate BTUs to heat up their heated areas. I give them a quote to install a new system and they tell me, but the other guy charged me a ¼ (quarter) of the price. My response is, "that's why the other guy hasn't answered your calls and you need to get your system reinstalled." You get what you pay for.
What do you think of these companies who are offering government grant for replacement boilers? I have an 11 year old boiler, if they tender out the contract of replacement of the boiler to a gas engineer I don’t mind doing it, but if they have an engineer who works for them then I may be a little dubious!
I also attend a lot of grant related jobs as they are installing our boilers, almost every time I’ve attended a breakdown, it’s due to being poorly installed, they are never flushed, using existing flues, blocked condensate pipe work and low working pressures etc etc, and the companies will not re attend to put the work right. The sub contractors are given 2 boilers swaps a day, and 1 customer told me the guy was there 1 and a half hours and swapped the boiler.
No you cannot, a minimum of 1m copper pipe before any plastic straight of the primaries is required to negate heat distortion in the plastic pipe work.
The gas run on the internal looks very odd. All taped up with nail clips, and it does appear to have been reduced down to 15mm too early. Better than it was but still a little bit suspect.
I know there’s so much wrong with this instal it’s a joke. Also even if the filling loop is on the right or wrong way. It should not be left connected it should be capped off. One other thing. Years ago an engineer insisted that the flues in the loft must be taped. I argued but he was adamant by the way it was a lovely. Ferolli boiler
The irritating aspect of the Baxi install is the pipework, particularly the gas supply, being neatly clipped and plumb but the boiler position and flue being as bad as it is. It's got all the hallmarks of a job being rushed at the very end.
Check valve on filling loop fitted in direction of flow will still stop back flow whether fitted on cold main or heating return. Still shocking installs, biggest problem I come across out there is undersized gas pipe work
Think about your reply, it’s a non return valve or double check so only let’s water through in one direction so back flow is prevented, whether fitted directly on the cold or on the heating return. The arrow is towards the heating circuit meaning water can enter the circuit but you could not drain via this. Also boilers fitted with integral filling loops are similar set up and you could argue this contravene water regulations as the only way to be sure that back flow is prevented is to remove the filling loop and cap valves
Feel free to send me a copy of the regulations or standards explaining why we would have a non return, double check on the heating. I have never seen one but always happy to learn more.
The valve attached to Worcester boiler in question is a double check valve all filling loops are supplied with one on the video the person who installed it fitted it to the heating pipe, all filling loops are wras approved to do this they have to be supplied with a check valve as this is. So it’s really pointless to state its fitted incorrectly when it isn’t as the check valve is in place whether directly of the cold or heating return. The arrow gives it away as a check valve showing direction of water flow so cannot back flow which confirms to water regs
Its a good job its next to a non opening window or the flu would be wrong aswell even big firms installers are not that good they left hole in my walls not sealed up
Why using copper pipe? I've noticed the council changed out the steel pipe and put copper pipe what is the purpose of this? why would you have a weaker material prone to corrode and easily can get damaged.
@@AllenHart999 yes but why change the still for copper on the outside not really necessary! And was not even covered up should copper pipe on the outside be in a conduit for gas. Is there any issue with gas rusting galvanised steel
@@paullbennett2923 the type of copper used for gas must be thicker than water pipes isn't it. And as you say people more likely still copper some than still pipe
i have never liked push fit for long runs or complete installs as a maintenance engineer its mostly used as a stop gap repair or up to three metres couple of bends or a tee , thats why i am so enthralled with the press fit plastic
Even as a lay person one looks at these bad installs with a very worried eye. They are so shoddy, and so lacking in tidiness and neatness, which one would think are basics for anyone in your business. And some of the issues with safety are staggering. It’s Gas in peoples home! 🤷♂️
If you think a lot of the work out there in the UK is bad, you should see some of the installs in Ireland. Absolutely shocking work out there. At least ye have proper gas training. In Ireland on the other hand does not have proper training. All you need to work on gas is to complete a 16 day course and you can become a RGI and away you. metac.ie/domestic-gas-safety-dgs/
I guess it is hard for smaller countries - They want their own regs/schemes but really I think they would be much better off drooping the ego and following a larger country's regs/training scheme etc. Then concentrate on enforcing the regs. To be honest Ringo, with Ireland being so pro Europe I thought they would be more inclined to align themselves with the Germans but from what you have said it does not appear to be happening!
Im gonna show this comment to my mate John docherty (my plastic paddy friend ) he's gonna be upset at uour comment .we trade insult about each of our countries .mine been bradford 🙄ok ok i was 3 months old when I got here but John was born.in London 🤭 . Great videos by the way .
I don’t get that the Riddor,gas safe never give feedback when you report clowns for this kind of stuff. I don’t think they do anything about it really. I reported a guy last year for a floor standing boiler using a communal flue where that flue had collapsed in the loft, he’d serviced it that week. He’s still trading and that was last year
I am not an installer but do some domestic servicing. A lot of the errors are basic teachings when doing gas courses. Not sure how these installers sleep at night
This has been going on for years. Corgi and Gas safe heating engineers as well. told one guy i'd not seen anything quite like his pipework since my daughter was having her hair platted. He even took offence to what I said, got funny. Cheeky bar steward.
That's why Allan you should only be able to buy anything gas related if you have a gas ticket .It costs us enough to get it . Gas safety is a joke in this country.
Are these actually fitted by gas safe registered person? Shocking, I would probably fitted this better, in I'm only DIY person. PS love the accent of yours!
I see poor work regularly. I think the trade has had a drop in standards ever since the "skills shortage" some time ago. Too many have got into the trade with minimal training and a get rich quick attitude.
How are these cowboys getting away with it I’m not an engineer but just looking at them they look dreadful and more importantly dangerous problem is u lose confidence thinking all engineers villains
I'm gas safe but don't do eny property's. I work on gas compressors and boosters in sewage plants. This don't even come under the regulations or it didnt. Just another card in my wallet.. Its getting to the point where you will need a card just to take a leak. Then you turn up to do a job only to find out your foot wear is banned your hi vis is the wrong colour or that ally tower is the wrong type. Then you sit through some BS induction for half an hour to get a sticker for your hard hat that again must be a certain colour. Then people wonder why a job that should take a day or two drags in to a full week. Japan gets hit by an earth quake, roads fall to bits, a week or two later its all fixed.
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Allen there's too many just wanting that quick buck , some probably not even gas registered, we should have a scheme where if the boiler is sold your registration should be taken against the serial number at the point of sale , and that would help make sure the benchmark , and workmanship ect are done correctly
David Donaldson thats a decent idea.
@@David-jp1cg Thing is, people always want the best deal. The cheapest price. Thats why they get the cheapest fitters.
@@stevehove2648 what ever the price the finished job should be at a minimum, safe to use !!
Great video and very informative. I’m electrician but I love watching your videos and learning about your trade. Always got to listen to a quality tradesman 👍🏻
A note to all, The manufacturers installation instructions supercedes any other method of install. Most of these bad installs are done on the cheap where the customer dont have money to pay for qualified gas safe engineers, then come crying when system fails and wishing they had payed the right price for the professional in the first place!! Great videos as always Allen!👍
Nope. They don’t. The law takes precedence.
What made me chuckle was when you showed the Baxi installation corrected, but at 12:10 you show the flue moved up the wall, and where the brick 'plug' has been replaced in the original hole, there's no cement around it! Absolutely Priceless!!
If you also notice…. The lintels have also disappeared
I like the way you use such diplomatic language to describe these diabolical cowboy jobs
Well done Allen I’m due to take my gas In 4 weeks your a really good bloke thanks for the help a
Another great insightful video allan, keep up the work trying to improve the standards within this industry
Thank you Jamie.
Thanks for the great videos Allen, I really appreciate them. You're a man after my own heart. It looks like this industry, like a lot of others, is rife with 'bodgit and scarper' merchants. I can't say I'm even impressed with the quality of the re-work done on that installation. After watching your vids and listening to people locally who have had poor boiler installations by 'experts', and so called yearly inspections that have not found faults, (the main protagonist seems to be British Gas), I'm not at all confident in the industry. I've been quoted an exorbitant amount to replace my simple heat only boiler, so I'm going to replace it myself and ensure it's done properly and safely to a high standard of workmanship and tested thoroughly. If 'Gas-safe' want to prosecute me, so be it, but I'll guarantee they won't find anything wrong.
Thank you for the feedback. We have all done jobs we are not proud of, Hopefully i am helping to raise the standards.
I work for British Gas cards in and always do it right,the only ones that don’t are subies.we are an easy target for idiots like you and I hope you get prosecuted.A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
very informative video because we never suspect that it can be that dodgy job done on this important issues Thanks for all information
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Love seeing these shocking installs, thanks Allen
You have got it all to come. Good luck.
Those that have disliked the video are definitely cowboys
Thanks.
No mate, They are the one's who installed the boilers 😂😂😂
Thats what I was thinking
Hey Allen. Thanks for sharing. I don't know how people do this. The 2nd installation was shocking. The fact that they took the flue out from the small structural wall is just horrendous. What did make me chuckle was that they also plastered it into the wall.. Nice wall feature...
Also plastered the boiler. Thanks for watching.
Omg and customers think I'm being silly when I point out in the MI'S of there boiler and show them black and white what the manufacturer say and don't do.. Great video again and again another awareness to keep with us out there when we do come across them. Good video again
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Hi Allan. Great video, especially for the newbies. I cannot believe any of the boilers shown have been installed by registered engineers.
Customer has no record of the Worcester install. I cannot comment either way. Thanks.
Interesting insight into workmanship.
Thanks for watching.
Seeing these just make me want to get out of this work sector and standards are falling so much. I feel gas safe should be doing more and have more powers. There’s guys out here what have no tickets doing this and under cutting the good guys. Keep these vids coming out
Do you ever see installs like this? Thanks.
Hi, thank you for your informative videos. what advice and warnings would you give to customers to look out for when hiring a plumber, particularly for servicing boilers?
Thanks for sharing. With regards to the flue white lip. Are they always supposed to be installed on the internal of the world and the hole sealed up?
Thanks allen great videos,if you ever do one of those charity boiler installs again would love to join you 👍
Thank You 👍
Great video Big al.
Thank you
Great video
Whats your take on the yellow stuff that comes on copper pipes. Would you class that as a sleeve??
Does a worcester gas boiler need a water outlet pipe on the right as mine is capped off for years now. But in has a overflow pump on the left.
One quick point. On a Worcester course I pointed out that the screw supplied to screw into the flue on a vertical flue fitting on top of the boiler. Is to short. I showed the guy he said not his problem it’s the design.
Thank You
Iv got a 22mm gas pipe going up the side of my house that I think looks scruffy, do you have any recommendations on a product that I can use to cover the pipe work?
Cowboys again great video as usual.
I always laugh at the pictures in the gas safe magazine don’t have to now you’ve made a video cheers 👍 also where did you get that organiser for you bulk head in your van cheers haha
Yes cowboys are at fault, however pathetic customers who find these cowboys on FB with unbelievable low prices deserve what they get, great vid Allen ! ❤️
Really? So if an old couple find a great price but he’s got all the “certificates” and all the jargon they deserve possible death bcos he’s a cowboy. Not sure I agree with you.
Carnt believe its been done by a gas engineer alan. That boiler has so many faults that the boiler needs moving and installing correctly. It's not hard to do our job right alan .we have one of the best jobs in the world.
Hi I had a boiler install done while I was at work. They installed the boiler with 3/4 of it below ceiling height. At least 1/4 of the top of the boiler is sitting above ceiling area. Company who installed went bust. Now stuck on completing the ceiling install. A right nightmare for me. Anyway I could ask you for advice? Thanks in advance if you can help?
I like your self ain't sure whether or not. Those flue screws, the manufacturers own. Corrosive, correct length/ diameter. The duct tape on the gas pipe is the right type, colour/necessary, if it was on hinge clips ?
Window openable and door ?
Terminal guard missing ,equipotential cross bonding ? Warning notice
Recon I D would have to be considered
The window didn't open. Lots and lots of faults on this one. Thanks.
By you going on-site and seeing unsafe or dangerous stuff and not reporting them does or could that compromise you as a gas safe engineer?
No way Allen that’s done by some DIY COWBOYS . Love the vids 👏👏😁
Thanks for watching 👍
Hi Allan the Worsted you were checking for your client was a disaster.did you check out the rest of the system to see if it was done to the same high standard ?
I was only checking boiler. Thanks
Not a plumber, but isn’t there a ref about how far a glue needs to be from a door or window? Love the videos Allan, credit to the profession.
Hi David, It depends on the manufacture and what the installation instructions say. Thanks so much for the comment.
Did the guy who fitted that last one give the thumbs down 👍😂👍 great vid Allen
I always have a thumbs down straight away on all my videos 😂 Seems one of my trolls is a subcriber. Thanks.
😂😂😂
At 4:10, don't the boiler installation instructions or plastic pipe installation guidelines say that plastic piping should not be installed closer than 1m of the boiler i.e. 1m copper pipework between the boiler and plastic pipe?
As a joiner and builder i would be wondering if a plumber even installed this worcester.
That’s shocking I think the plumbing police should be called very good vid.
Thanks.
Do you not contact Gas Safe about these bad installs
Copper is not allowed to be used for gas in the US. That's only used for domestic, heating lines and oil. We use black steel pipe for gas. I prefer that
Move down to S Wales Allen...plenty of scallywags here not Gas Safe.
Keep vids coming.
Good RTFM message.
This is south Wales believe it or not
Keith Aspland 😂 Gas is the only area my DIY skills do not extend to...but have done a lot of plumbing...rads, baths, showers, sinks, outside taps etc.
Edit...soldering, compression and now push fit.
No wonder you are busy - putting all those bad installs right. Damn!!!!
Great videos Allen, interesting to see. I'm looking into getting a condensing boiler to replace my existing non condensing one should the gov pay for 2/3 the installation cost. However, my existing gas pipe is 15mm from the gas meter. It might be worth a video to explain any regulations that dictate that a 22mm pipe to the new boiler is a requirement or not, and if there's issues with running the new pipe and any bodges where 15mm to 22mm reduces have been put on the other way that makes it apparent it has been done, but not actually. I am dreading a new pipe run and explaining to my better half this would need to be done first before decorating then undoing is challenging for sure......
There is no regulation that specifies a 22mm has supppy to a boiler, however the gas supply should be adequate to supply the total property load, which basically means the total KW rating of all appliances running at once. So a calculation of the appliances KW ratings and the length of Gas pipework runs will determine the size of the Gas pipe you need for the total volume of Gas it will carry.
Hope that helps in some way, probably doesn’t. 🥴
@@kevincranfield5235 that's good to hear, as lots of websites such as www.boilerguide.co.uk/articles/replacing-central-heating-pipes quote as saying it's a Gas regulation to do so.
Hi Kevin Most boiler say the gas MUST be 22mm. Some like the ideal logic have a 15mm connection and are able to have some 15mm depending on pipe sizing. Thanks.
It’s recommended, but it all depends on the KW rating and distance from the meter etc, there is no regulation I know of that says a 22mm gas supply is required. You may require a larger pipe than 22mm, it all depends on the Boiler output, other appliances and length of pipework etc etc.
You also stated that you are replacing a standard efficiency with a condensing boiler, you never mentioned you where converting it to a Combi boiler.
Kevin Cranfield Just read the installation instructions, it very clear that some say it must be minimum 22mm
These installs give me PTSD! I don't know how many out of code and out of manufacturers specifications I've had to tear down and install correctly just because someone else installs it like shite. Some of my customers complain because the boiler previously didnt have adequate BTUs to heat up their heated areas. I give them a quote to install a new system and they tell me, but the other guy charged me a ¼ (quarter) of the price. My response is, "that's why the other guy hasn't answered your calls and you need to get your system reinstalled." You get what you pay for.
What do you think of these companies who are offering government grant for replacement boilers? I have an 11 year old boiler, if they tender out the contract of replacement of the boiler to a gas engineer I don’t mind doing it, but if they have an engineer who works for them then I may be a little dubious!
I have been to loads of jobs after grants have been done. Nearly always need flushing. Thanks.
I also attend a lot of grant related jobs as they are installing our boilers, almost every time I’ve attended a breakdown, it’s due to being poorly installed, they are never flushed, using existing flues, blocked condensate pipe work and low working pressures etc etc, and the companies will not re attend to put the work right. The sub contractors are given 2 boilers swaps a day, and 1 customer told me the guy was there 1 and a half hours and swapped the boiler.
@@kevincranfield5235 Shocking really.
You can’t take speed fit on the flow and returns that far back to the boiler can you ?
No you cannot, a minimum of 1m copper pipe before any plastic straight of the primaries is required to negate heat distortion in the plastic pipe work.
You cannot connect plastic to the boiler. Thanks.
Think Worcester Bosch say no plastic within 600mm of the boiler
@@kevincranfield5235 Best to just understand that at the boiler - it needs to be copper - Always
As a rule I go 2 meters. I’ve only used it once. But it’s also on the contracts I work on.
RUN AND FIND THE PLUMBER?
The gas run on the internal looks very odd. All taped up with nail clips, and it does appear to have been reduced down to 15mm too early. Better than it was but still a little bit suspect.
Hard to tell from the pictures really. Thanks.
Apart from that, was it all ok? 😄
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I know there’s so much wrong with this instal it’s a joke. Also even if the filling loop is on the right or wrong way. It should not be left connected it should be capped off. One other thing. Years ago an engineer insisted that the flues in the loft must be taped. I argued but he was adamant by the way it was a lovely. Ferolli boiler
Thank You
The irritating aspect of the Baxi install is the pipework, particularly the gas supply, being neatly clipped and plumb but the boiler position and flue being as bad as it is. It's got all the hallmarks of a job being rushed at the very end.
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From America, we have our share of nonsense; but the hole through a load bearing wall for the flue is ridiculous!
Wow thank you for watching.
Not enough use of "Basic Engineering Skill" - A good plumbing will also be a good builder, a good carpenter and a good engineer
We vent mostly via the roof in New Zealand and unfortunately we have cowboys not properly sealing the vent stacks from the weather.
How the hell did the guy that fitted the first one get his spanner in to tighten up the fitting so close to the worktop.🤔
They are not easy when you can get in either. Thanks.
The top fitted after the boiler I must assume
9.07 demonstrates quite clearly the necessity of breathing protection in insulated lofts.
Check valve on filling loop fitted in direction of flow will still stop back flow whether fitted on cold main or heating return. Still shocking installs, biggest problem I come across out there is undersized gas pipe work
Non return needs to be on the cold.
Think about your reply, it’s a non return valve or double check so only let’s water through in one direction so back flow is prevented, whether fitted directly on the cold or on the heating return. The arrow is towards the heating circuit meaning water can enter the circuit but you could not drain via this. Also boilers fitted with integral filling loops are similar set up and you could argue this contravene water regulations as the only way to be sure that back flow is prevented is to remove the filling loop and cap valves
Feel free to send me a copy of the regulations or standards explaining why we would have a non return, double check on the heating. I have never seen one but always happy to learn more.
The valve attached to Worcester boiler in question is a double check valve all filling loops are supplied with one on the video the person who installed it fitted it to the heating pipe, all filling loops are wras approved to do this they have to be supplied with a check valve as this is. So it’s really pointless to state its fitted incorrectly when it isn’t as the check valve is in place whether directly of the cold or heating return. The arrow gives it away as a check valve showing direction of water flow so cannot back flow which confirms to water regs
Who is doing this work. I was under the impression that gas installation of appliances by unregistered persons is illegal?
Stevie wonder would be proud of that 😉
Hi Alan would you like to do another tour of a commercial boiler house ?
If so give me a shout
Cheers pal
Its a good job its next to a non opening window or the flu would be wrong aswell even big firms installers are not that good they left hole in my walls not sealed up
i could sent you a picture how the Installation in Germany looks like, i think i would not be happy to work as a plumper in the UK :-(
Why using copper pipe? I've noticed the council changed out the steel pipe and put copper pipe what is the purpose of this? why would you have a weaker material prone to corrode and easily can get damaged.
Copper is fine. Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 yes but why change the still for copper on the outside not really necessary! And was not even covered up should copper pipe on the outside be in a conduit for gas. Is there any issue with gas rusting galvanised steel
@@paullbennett2923 the type of copper used for gas must be thicker than water pipes isn't it. And as you say people more likely still copper some than still pipe
@@paullbennett2923 I'm not sure what you mean by not win the job if you use still much cheaper then copper
We still install steel outside to stop theft. However copper doesn’t corrode and is much easier to work with.
Looks like a DIY install to me, I believe it was once possible for anyone to buy a boiler from a merchant without being registered gas safe.
Yea you could pick one up from b&poo
All the money u get from UA-cam and you’ve got an ex BG van 😆😉 the caddy’s are bulletproof to be fair
Feel sorry for these folks, having paid around £2000 to have such poor installations. Shocking!
These installations wouldn’t happen if customers ensured that they used only competent engineers.
Unbelievable how do these installers sleep at night
I cannot believe anyone would cut out the support. Crazy installer. Thanks.
What muppets fitted that
The gas boxes that are inset require the outlet to exit the rear of the box and be sealed with non-setting compound....these are basics ffs
that's shocking
Thank you.
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Not sure about that. Thanks.
i have never liked push fit for long runs or complete installs as a maintenance engineer its mostly used as a stop gap repair or up to three metres couple of bends or a tee , thats why i am so enthralled with the press fit plastic
Isn't there supposed to be at least 1 metre of copper coming from boiler before any push fit is used?
Typed this👆🏻 before you cleared it up 🤦🏻♂️😂😂
Thanks for the comment anyway.
Plastic pipe is all they use in Turkey. No copper pipe ever. What are the cons of plastic piping?
Even as a lay person one looks at these bad installs with a very worried eye. They are so shoddy, and so lacking in tidiness and neatness, which one would think are basics for anyone in your business. And some of the issues with safety are staggering. It’s Gas in peoples home! 🤷♂️
Thank You
British gas on a good day I suspect
I don’t think they have many engineers these days. Mainly subcontractors
That an ex British gas van Allen?
Yes. Thanks
@@AllenHart999 I had an ex British gas van a few years ago and it had that exact same slot holder, proper handy 👍🏻
@@United-Til-I-Die Had this a few years now and TBH its been great.
@@AllenHart999 yeah my mechanic mate bought mine as it had few issues but it lasted me 4 years with no issues, was a good little combo
If you think a lot of the work out there in the UK is bad, you should see some of the installs in Ireland. Absolutely shocking work out there. At least ye have proper gas training. In Ireland on the other hand does not have proper training. All you need to work on gas is to complete a 16 day course and you can become a RGI and away you. metac.ie/domestic-gas-safety-dgs/
I guess it is hard for smaller countries - They want their own regs/schemes but really I think they would be much better off drooping the ego and following a larger country's regs/training scheme etc. Then concentrate on enforcing the regs. To be honest Ringo, with Ireland being so pro Europe I thought they would be more inclined to align themselves with the Germans but from what you have said it does not appear to be happening!
I'm sure you can do similar courses here if you pay the cash to retrain and become an engineer in so many weeks/ months
Im gonna show this comment to my mate John docherty (my plastic paddy friend ) he's gonna be upset at uour comment .we trade insult about each of our countries .mine been bradford 🙄ok ok i was 3 months old when I got here but John was born.in London 🤭 . Great videos by the way .
Wonder how many of these installs were carried out by boiler company approved installer, pay peanuts and this is what you get
I don’t get that the Riddor,gas safe never give feedback when you report clowns for this kind of stuff. I don’t think they do anything about it really. I reported a guy last year for a floor standing boiler using a communal flue where that flue had collapsed in the loft, he’d serviced it that week. He’s still trading and that was last year
Unfortunately there are some tradesman who wanna get in get out and take the money
I am not an installer but do some domestic servicing. A lot of the errors are basic teachings when doing gas courses. Not sure how these installers sleep at night
Thanks for watching.
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Wow is all I have
Do you see any installs like this? Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 not to that level of bad
Can I work for you? Sir.😜👍👍👍
I wish i had a pound for every time someone asks me that lol. Thanks.
This has been going on for years. Corgi and Gas safe heating engineers as well. told one guy i'd not seen anything quite like
his pipework since my daughter was having her hair platted. He even took offence to what I said, got funny. Cheeky bar steward.
Thanks.
They can’t have the gas safe ticket
the gas pipe coming out the top of the meter box makes the installation " i d " i see dozens of these.
How do you classify them?
@@AllenHart999 we leave a safety warning notice .
No earth bonding
That's why Allan you should only be able to buy anything gas related if you have a gas ticket .It costs us enough to get it .
Gas safety is a joke in this country.
Are these actually fitted by gas safe registered person? Shocking, I would probably fitted this better, in I'm only DIY person.
PS love the accent of yours!
Thank you for the comment. I have no idea who installed them.
Some people have no conscience! 🥴🥴🤔🤔
Thanks
Wtf some cowboy still about then
I see poor work regularly. I think the trade has had a drop in standards ever since the "skills shortage" some time ago. Too many have got into the trade with minimal training and a get rich quick attitude.
Hey! We call that "ambition".
How are these cowboys getting away with it I’m not an engineer but just looking at them they look dreadful and more importantly dangerous problem is u lose confidence thinking all engineers villains
None of this makes sense?
I'm gas safe but don't do eny property's. I work on gas compressors and boosters in sewage plants. This don't even come under the regulations or it didnt.
Just another card in my wallet..
Its getting to the point where you will need a card just to take a leak.
Then you turn up to do a job only to find out your foot wear is banned your hi vis is the wrong colour or that ally tower is the wrong type. Then you sit through some BS induction for half an hour to get a sticker for your hard hat that again must be a certain colour.
Then people wonder why a job that should take a day or two drags in to a full week.
Japan gets hit by an earth quake, roads fall to bits, a week or two later its all fixed.
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Bet these boilers where fitted under government grant scheme.