Thank you, Allen, for all your great videos, keep it up please, this particular one was so helpful, especially for new Gas safe engineers hoping to get to the future market while we're all waiting for a better days to come again
Absolutely true my man you get what you pay for!! You’re quality and people pay for that experience and quality at the end of the day. ‘Pay cheap, pay twice’
Allen Hart you’re not too expensive either mate. There are too many people in the trade willing to undercut other engineers for inferior work. Keep it up buddy I enjoy all your vids and I’ve learned to enjoy my trade again thanks to people like you
@@stephenmiller3994 also there are people that charge high prices, but refuse to do any flushing, minimum pipework cutting/sleeving. Allen actually prides himself on his level of workmanship, so he is charging the right prices.
Never be embarrassed about your pricing, you only get what you pay for Allen. Customers forget how much it costs just to keep a business going , Registrations/public liability insurance/van/tools etc etc. Good vid Allen
another tosser plumber 2500 to replace boiler same place replace a few bricks two days work going slow expect a plasterer to plaster half their house for a 1000 over payed trade very little skill needed to be one gloryfied plumbers
@@neilwalsh-xh8go Thank you for providing a perfect example of the type of customer Paul was talking about. Know nothings who want everything on the cheap are the reason this industry is in such a sorry state, people cater to demand, and if you demand cheap - you get shit.
It's always great to see someone take pride in their work and want what is best for the customer. No one should ever be ashamed of quoting to provide high quality workmanship and standard of finish. 👍
We all need to share the love allen you are a lovable guy keep up the good work and your vids are the most honest out there your a credit to the trade👍
Thanks Alan. I'm a partner in a Gas & Heating Company in Lancashire and your prices are spot on for quality work. I always let the customer know that there will be cheaper prices out there but their is a huge difference when the job is done with care & pride. We are always at the end of the phone for the customer and hope to carry out all the service work for years to come. We'll done for the work you put in to this channel.
Sharing the love Allan. An installer that is concerned enough to worry about matching bricks is a top man in my opinion. I wish you where operating in my area I would have no problem with your rates. Keep your loved ones and yourself protected.
Charge what you think your time and skills are worth. I see to many trades that charge low to get the job and then make the job match the price by cutting corners. Top work Alan...keep it up
The golden nugget is being in a position where you couldn't give 2 fucks if they accept your quote or not and being in a position in life to be able to vet your customers.
Your prices are perfect. The work you do and quality of your work is amazing keep it up the state of some insulation are shocking to put them right costs more so keep it up. 👍👍
Great vlog Allen really enjoying enjoying them of late to be honest after nearly 50 years in the game i prefer to watch your installs than do them (it's a lot easier) great stuff 👍
Enjoyed the video. Thanks for being honest and putting it out there for everyone to pick at, that takes a lot of courage. I am not a professional just interested in DIY.
Allen - I got a quote recently for a 24KW boiler of £3400. The plumber called and He quoted £2400. I am a retired electronics engineer so I decided to investigate the problem myself. The fault was the pilot stayed on but the main gas would not come in. I fixed it by replacing the 315ma fuse - about 24 pence.
Another good vid well done. Don't appologise to those people that give you negativity Allan, it's just jealousy, because not only do you make clear concise videos, you're also an excellent engineer. Keep it up
Prices look fair to me. It doesn’t always go according to plan, sometimes jobs go tits up. People see a boiler at screwfix and expect you to fit it for a grand 😂.Sharing the love, stay safe mate 🤙🤙
People down here have expected a boiler swap for less than £500 if they but a boiler. I hate the people who come back to tell you they have had alot cheaper quote and boilers been fired sooner. . . I can't dream what type of job they end up with
I am not an adult and the only amount of money that I own is a 20 pound note but I subscribed and turned on notifications on just because of how sweet this man is and the stuff he does for the community so I hope you are doing well with you life and hopefully your jobs are paying well
Allen, have you thought about ATAG? I'm now installing them, they are a fantastic deal for customers, sell only to Engineers so your boiler is delivered to site. Extremely easy to work on, everything is accessible. By the way thanks for your videos they really are positive. After talking briefly one late evening, I bought a REMS gun and am converted now to pressfit.
The quality of your work is always outstanding and your prices are really not to bad You only get what you pay for and I know for sure once we get over the current crisis, you will never be out of work
Hi Allen, great video as always. When you’re stipulating those prices/quotes are you including parts and labour together, apologies if that sounds like a silly question. Also it’s wonderful to see you always wanting to do a decent job and clear up mess from other traders. I as a customer don’t mind paying the extra as long as I can trust that it’s going to be done in the best interests of the customer. The numerous experiences I have had is that I pay a decent price but always get a bodge job done no matter what platform they’re on or what pictures they show me.
I can see clearly you go the extra mile, to be honest, I never thought about matching the brickwork but advised customer to get a bricky for that. Thanks for the video Alan!
Great video Allen would love to see more like this keep them coming👍🏼. Also the mains vs baxi 600 would be s good video and a cut up of the Worcester 👌
Cheers Alan! Really honest video to tell us what you charge. I'm in London and sometimes i think i don't charge enough. This video gives me a great indicator. Keep 'em coming!👍🏻
I would say I'm on par with you . But living in london is more expensive and other installer are charging more. But it gives me the confidence to look at the job and charge accordingly instead of charging what i think i can get away with. Really like these videos looking at different installs and how you price for them. I'd be interested in seeing your thought process when you first look at a job and how you put a price on it. I'm newly in business and any help is a amazing as trying to get business info is very diffricult as many in the industry keep what they have learned to themselves.
I'm a heating and plumbing engineer in South Wales. I'm glad to come across this video. I've been self employed for 6 years and doing the job for 12. But I am always wondering if I am too cheap or too expensive. Your prices are very fair and I would of estimated those jobs in the same area. 😉👍🏼 Keep safe
Allen I’m not in the trade but have been mechanical engineer most of my life apart from when I was about 5 to leaving school I helped my dad. He worked for NWGB spotford road Liverpool left the Navy as a engineer and started with the Gas board with company motor bike and side car. Then upgraded to a Vauxhall’ viva years later. I still have his original gas board bag and some of his tools but I used to help him with jobs he would do at weekends and just as open vent central heating was being put into houses. He was very fussy and used to say do it right first time or don’t bother at all. Reminds me allot like your self the type of person you would want to fit a boiler for you , Keep your videos going Allen hopefully when mine is due for renewal I give you a bell can’t put a price on quality of work and safety.
Thinking of moving on to Tools from being a QS. The hard part will be building a portfolio whilst working full time. I love watching your videos. They are so informative.
Gr8 mate I’m in Kent I’m very much like you can’t stand bad workmanship but I struggle pricing I see you on gas chat keep up good work and keep yourself and your family safe 👍 🙏
Hi Allen, this is exactly what us new guys need. thanks for proactively responding to mine and others' requests, just a pity some of the other good regular you tuber plumbers don't do the same. it's not commercial suicide, just makes crap plumbers stand out when they under cut everyone else. Most consumers don't see the need to pay for a proper flush, filters on systems, water testing etc, new legislation should put an end to most of the cowboys!
Alan thank you very much for this video please do more of them 👍 your the only one doing this, great stuff. Also in one of your previous videos you said you used to work for a well known energy company can you do a video on your transition from working from them to yourself stuff like cost, advertising for work, how long did it take you to start earning money again stuff like that? Many thanks, Ken
Great video Allen, would like to see more of the components on the 2000 to see what changes they really made and what old parts they kept from the previous model i.e 30si/junior
Realy boils my blood when I hear people installing boilers supply and fit for nothing. I've quoted jobs and the customers got quotes supply and fit for £800! I've spoke to engineers who fit boilers for £150-£200.. under value the trade.. glad to see your keeping the prices as they should be.
I swapped a vokera compact for an easyheat last week, dropped the pressure through the prv lifted it off and dropped the new one on the same bracket and pipes, flue out the same hole then cut a filter in to comply with new regs. They already had a co detector. The system was squeeky clean as i've done stuff for them on the system for the past 3 years and there was an existing nest. Under 470 ex vat for the boiler, filter and some inhibitor and i charged £990 (825 ex vat).Only materials i used was a handful of sand cement and 2ft of 5 core 3 hrs done and dusted including going to pick the boiler up from the merchants so i made roughly 340-50 for 3 hours work. Tell me i'm not charging enough and i'll rip you a new arse. I charge what i see is fair not what i think should be the going rate. Those days are well gone. I have 40 odd years experience doing this garbage and could do it with my eyes shut but i can honestly say i've never intentionally ripped anyone off. Btw heres one. 1978-9 im a 3rd year apprentice and we are doing a bbu swap from solid to gas on a gas board job (in the days when the gas board were a good company). The woman next door came in and said "im looking for a new boiler too can you give me a price". My tradesman said you go in and see her so I went in and hadn't a clue how to price it. She wanted a baxi W2 (a baxi wood as we called them) and said the gas board gave me a price of £1850 or whatever it was. Me being young and thick said i'll do it for £1600. Now considering you could buy a brand new car for around that price, albeit a chevette or escort ,it was still a lot of fuckin money. I ordered the stuff through my boss (cos he was a decent cunt) and done the job with another apprentice on a long shift on the Saturday (including brick up and plastering). Went into work on the monday and said how much do i owe you. £400 and whatever it was. Just short of £1200 for a days work in the late 70's I paid the apprentice £100 for his shift (weekly wage was around £20) and he was severely pissed off that i bought myself a 2 year old cortina with my share. Thats an example of how much rates and prices have fallen. But that was different times.
‘Under value the trade’?? What do you mean? They charge what they are willing to do the job for....perhaps charging more than that might appear to be unethical to them. Also the amount of time the same jobs gets a uplift for being in a nice area surprises me too..
Bilal Ali So people work on the side and pay no tax insurance etc, some work cash in hard, Then others that people pay tax insurance vat etc, business costs and advanced training, The people doing the job correctly often earn less
Allen Hart agreed training and insurances cost money and for the 50 plus boilers I’ve had fitted I make sure that couple of lads I use have both. Unfortunately people not paying tax, there is nothing you can do about that other than report them to HMRC and get a finders fee 😜
Loved your video, i know you shouldn,t expect to get every job you quote but you spend time going to see the job and try and build a relationship with the customer and give them advice and i do take it personally if i don,t get the job. Only been in the game 30 + years and the biggest problem i find over the last few years are the customers...They are expert plumbers/ heating engineers. Thanks Google!!
But get them to bend a 2 45’s in copper pipe and slip a bend on a flue and they would have no clue. Remember your a Master Plumber and that’s what they pay for. Lol charge them more they know about the job. That should be a new physical Law in the age of information… 😂 It’s call labor cost and workmanship guaranteed they can by the part if it make it cheaper for them. 😂
Hi Allen, good to see some actual quotes, what about doing a video on quotes for other types of jobs, oil-gas etc. I did a back boiler to gas last week, nightmare, thought it was a 2-3 day job, turned out to be a 5 day job+, as problem with regulator that Phoenix had to change, then 2' thick chimney breast walls that my core drill had a nightmare getting through, so hugely under-quoted. But , hey-ho, everyday is a school day.
The amount of jobs you get , the amount of time you’ve been in the job tell me there’s nothing wrong with your prices , ppl who are asking too much or who’s work doesn’t fit the cost don’t last too long. Also I know 💯 with you that you will look for all the little things that maybe some wouldn’t and that you would try and do everything to a top top quality. The fact of the matter is you do get what you pay for , you really do. Ps I love the fact you wouldn’t just take the job and fit it on he electrics even tho you weren’t comfortable , again speaks volumes.
Top Man , really like this . I have been a gas engineer for 43 years and always have problems with the cheaper installs .. you get what you pay for , always match the brickwork shows real care to the customer.
Hello Allan I agree with most things you say, you are very honest when you say you are probably never going to be the cheapest quote with those prices. However you get what you pay for My quotes for those jobs would come in a bit cheaper (not by a great deal though) for the one above the cooker. I would have refused to put the boiler back in the same place as well. I would have suggested moving the cooker. It is not a good place to put it next to the back door anyway. The wind could blow out the burners etc etc. I dont think I would have taken his word it was going to be moved either lol. I would have needed to see some pretty strong evidence it was being moved or allow me to move it, also there was other things needing attention, electrics, brickwork etc it all takes time.. The Biasi well that was just a pig of an installation and I think you gave a very fair price for that one. I would have been some where close to your price. It is always better to give a price so you know you can comfortably do a good safe installation and allow yourself time to do it. There are so many installers/companies allowing ridiculas targets for installs these days. However where I work there are so many Plumbers prepared to cut corners (flushing, filters etc) and most people would be surprised how many are still unregistered. They will always be cheaper because they dont have the registration fees and costs we have. Also some Landlords sometimes put a lot of pressure on Plumbers. Stay safe and keep up the good work.
I think your prices are acceptable and fair. I think your work standard is excellent. A rare quality in this day and age. You did an install for a floor standing storage combi Vissemann 200ff I think. How much did that job cost? Videos like this help the normal man if they are being ripped off. Keep them coming. Thank you .
The problem i always had with pricing, was educating people with all the things they dont see like consumables, travelling , picking up gear, your time as an apprentice you had to learn the underpinning knowledge, thats without liabilities, advertising, book keeping, no sick pay no holiday pay, unless you could afford the insurances............thats why im now a handyman with a care company ........lot less pay and alot less aggravation, all the best to Allen
Well done mate, keep it up. Your prices are fair in my opinion. It'd be good to see more of you pricing work, I've been plumbing and heating for 10 years so it's interesting seeing other people's methods. I'll be installing my first Baxi 830 whenever it's safe to do so since watching your videos of them. PS. Have you had any advice on government help for self employed folk like us?
I am trying to stay away from the current situation and share love in these hard times, Not really sure how I will manage but we will get through this. Keep sharing love my friend. Thank you so much
@@AllenHart999 Yes, an angle grinder to the heat exchanger and plate. A bit like a real life, 3D cutaway drawing. It would be fascinating to see how they're constructed, especially with any commentary on what you see inside.
So refreshing to listen to a professional, you are a credit to your profession sir. When my system shuffles off it’s mortal coil then I will contact you. Keep the videos coming. Brilliant.
Great content Allen. Enjoy your videos, you come across well. I would be interested in what your estimated time for doing the jobs are. Also with a bit more detail in the steps of the job. Appreciate this is just from my perspective. (Not a plumber or gas engineer. Only aspiring)
In the same boat as you. Only doing emergency leaks or breakdowns but got the go ahead for a job I priced for in January in a empty house which no one has visited for the last 2 weeks.only place I could get a baxi was screwfix but it gives me much needed income and something to do. I subcontracted for a building firm but didn't get my invoice in before they shut down so not sure when I'll get paid.
Hi Allen enjoyed your vidio your prices are very good for a quality job i used to do install but got fed up of getting undercut by throw it in cowboys seen a lot of boilers like you were pricing to rip out ,badly fitted and no pride in workmanship.Keep up the good work and stay safe.
I wish we lived in leeds good man. A guy I worked with called Brit Gas because he was losing pressure in his boiler,they said he needed a powerflush ?, then sold him a new boiler.
The heating industry has fallen into the undercutting trap. On the other hand the Sparkies have kept their prices and their standards. The Sparkies are right. I admire you for working to a good standard Alan and I enjoy your videos very much. I don't think the heating industry will recover its status unless they do like in Germany and that is restrict the purchase of gas appliances and gas carrying parts to Gas Safe registered individuals. It will never happen and rogue installs will continue. We've all seen them, and its easy to tell the difference between an indifferent install by a registered installer and a rogue illegal install. A good install, like the ones you show us Alan, is a joy to behold.
@Mark Sesum I refer electrical jobs to two first class, but expensive electricians. They are swamped out with work, but I get some nice calls from the customers who are always delighted with the quality of the work, and the people. I should say I live in a relatively affluent part of the country.....if a bit out in the sticks. It's always harder in the built up areas or working for some landlords who don't want to spend anything so I do sympathise. I go to by far the most expensive optician round here.......not because I like chucking money away, but because of the reputation he has built over the last 30 years. He had a marketing strategy when he set up, and I'm not sure enough tradesmen do the same. I'm about to retire so I have time to reflect on these things. Best of luck with your new direction.
Hi Alan. Thanks for the video, very informative. Do you use a quoting tool? Would be great to see a video of how you construct your quote, or a breakdown? Many Thanks Joe
Allen keep up with good work mate, you cannot give accurate price sometimes every job is different i agree with you. I seen most of your videos i rate you 10/10. Keep up with the good work .take care keep safe. When can you take me for a ride in your new car lol.
After watching some of your install videos I am sure people would be happy to pay your prices knowing how good a good your going to do. Shame your not in Birmingham I would definitely be giving you a call to quote for my new boiler, my15 year old Valliant turbomax cant last much longer.
prices are very fair maybe a bit on the cheap side if anything. my opinion is you got to take care of your business and make sure your making good money otherwise there is no point. if you are qualified and skilled and follow gas safe regs that's what you deserve. another great vid Allen cheers.
I recently had a Baxi 830 with Nest 3rd gen thermostat and new 7m 22mm gas pipe from meter (I lifted all flooring and floorboards for access to gas run and all pipework). This was a system conversion, with all tanks/old pipework removed. £2200 in Birmingham. All notified and fitted in a day (a long day) by one fitter 👍
Hi, Allen great video , please could you advice, me how can I troubleshoot the problem with the Vaillant tubo 828, water temperature not staying constant, we have changed heat exchanger, water, heat exchanger and NTC sensors, ,
New boiler price bit.ly/45wY7Qu
Allen, you're a credit to our industry pal, your willingness to educate and help people is above and beyond .. keep it up mate 👍🏼
Thank you.
Thank you, Allen, for all your great videos, keep it up please, this particular one was so helpful, especially for new Gas safe engineers hoping to get to the future market while we're all waiting for a better days to come again
Thanks.
Thank you for taking the time to do these we as a trade appreciate it
Gary Brown Hi Gary, Thanks
Expertise and quality is worth paying for no matter what the service or product. No compromise. You set the standard Allen.
Thank You
Dear Alan, I love this video, it's honest, transparent and highly informative - keep up the GREAT WORK! Keep safe too.
Thank you
Absolutely true my man you get what you pay for!! You’re quality and people pay for that experience and quality at the end of the day. ‘Pay cheap, pay twice’
Thank you so much.
Allen Hart you’re not too expensive either mate. There are too many people in the trade willing to undercut other engineers for inferior work. Keep it up buddy I enjoy all your vids and I’ve learned to enjoy my trade again thanks to people like you
@@stephenmiller3994 Sharing love buddy, Thanks again.
@@stephenmiller3994 also there are people that charge high prices, but refuse to do any flushing, minimum pipework cutting/sleeving. Allen actually prides himself on his level of workmanship, so he is charging the right prices.
@@aashraf5516 Flushing is the most important part of the job. Thanks.
Never be embarrassed about your pricing, you only get what you pay for Allen. Customers forget how much it costs just to keep a business going , Registrations/public liability insurance/van/tools etc etc. Good vid Allen
Thank you so much so true. 👍
@@AllenHart999 can you send a link so I can send you plumbing disaster jobs I come across, might help the channel out. ?
another tosser plumber 2500 to replace boiler same place replace a few bricks two days work going slow expect a plasterer to plaster half their house for a 1000 over payed trade very little skill needed to be one gloryfied plumbers
patrick walsh Thank you for your feedback 👍
@@neilwalsh-xh8go Thank you for providing a perfect example of the type of customer Paul was talking about. Know nothings who want everything on the cheap are the reason this industry is in such a sorry state, people cater to demand, and if you demand cheap - you get shit.
All I can share with you is love mate.
Brilliant channel I've learn a lot from you and I wish you all the best .
Thank You.
It's always great to see someone take pride in their work and want what is best for the customer.
No one should ever be ashamed of quoting to provide high quality workmanship and standard of finish. 👍
Thank you
I have just started gas course at college, theses videos are amazing for info and it shows me what standards, I should be working to!!!!
Good luck.
Long time follower,
Great videos mate, very genuine, keep up the good work!
Thank you so much
We all need to share the love allen you are a lovable guy keep up the good work and your vids are the most honest out there your a credit to the trade👍
You are so kind. Thank you so much.
hi allen i have been following your videos for months now there very informative and a pleasure to watch keep up the good work
STAY SAFE
Hi Phillip. Thank you.
Another high quality video bud keep them coming I look fit to them! Stay safe bud hope you and the family are well.
Thank you so much
Thanks Alan. I'm a partner in a Gas & Heating Company in Lancashire and your prices are spot on for quality work. I always let the customer know that there will be cheaper prices out there but their is a huge difference when the job is done with care & pride. We are always at the end of the phone for the customer and hope to carry out all the service work for years to come. We'll done for the work you put in to this channel.
Hi Nick. Thanks so much. if you ever want to do a joint video and promote your business let me know. All for free.
Sharing the love Allan. An installer that is concerned enough to worry about matching bricks is a top man in my opinion. I wish you where operating in my area I would have no problem with your rates. Keep your loved ones and yourself protected.
Thank you so much
I watched your video last night it was great you don’t need love you’re a heart of gold, keep up good work m8.
Thanks, will do!
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You prices are fair mate,, and I always love the content/information you provide us. Keep it comming 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks, will do!
Fair play Alan, good honest video I admire yr honesty it is important that we CAN stand over all are work. 👍
Thank you so much
Charge what you think your time and skills are worth. I see to many trades that charge low to get the job and then make the job match the price by cutting corners. Top work Alan...keep it up
In trades we trust Thanks 🙏
Pretty sure this approch would quickly by put to test by his customer base
@@krzysiekv12 If you're good at what you do - your client base wont be small
The golden nugget in this job is finding customers wanting and willing to pay for the best job possible!
I give a fixed price at the start. Thanks.
The golden nugget is being in a position where you couldn't give 2 fucks if they accept your quote or not and being in a position in life to be able to vet your customers.
Your prices are perfect.
The work you do and quality of your work is amazing keep it up the state of some insulation are shocking to put them right costs more so keep it up. 👍👍
Thank you very much. Stay Safe👍
Thanks for the videos Alan! Always very helpful and informative 👍
Thank You.
Brilliant video. Nice to see the prices. Makes it much easier to see how much a proper install costs
Thank you so much
Great vlog Allen really enjoying enjoying them of late to be honest after nearly 50 years in the game i prefer to watch your installs than do them (it's a lot easier) great stuff 👍
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Enjoyed the video. Thanks for being honest and putting it out there for everyone to pick at, that takes a lot of courage. I am not a professional just interested in DIY.
Customer doesn’t always know what they are getting really. Thanks.
People respect transparency Allen. Wise people know you get what you pay for. Thanks for sharing!!
Pittbull Thanks 🙏
Allen - I got a quote recently for a 24KW boiler of £3400. The plumber called and He quoted £2400. I am a retired electronics engineer so I decided to investigate the problem myself.
The fault was the pilot stayed on but the main gas would not come in. I fixed it by replacing the 315ma fuse - about 24 pence.
Do you have the test equipment to make sure it is safe afterwards? Thanks.
Another good vid well done. Don't appologise to those people that give you negativity Allan, it's just jealousy, because not only do you make clear concise videos, you're also an excellent engineer. Keep it up
Thank You.
Prices look fair to me. It doesn’t always go according to plan, sometimes jobs go tits up. People see a boiler at screwfix and expect you to fit it for a grand 😂.Sharing the love, stay safe mate 🤙🤙
Thank you so much
@@max29july You clearly have no idea what you are talking about but thank you so much for the comment.
People down here have expected a boiler swap for less than £500 if they but a boiler. I hate the people who come back to tell you they have had alot cheaper quote and boilers been fired sooner. . .
I can't dream what type of job they end up with
Thank you for your videos. They very educational. I like your standards.
pavel trakyss Thanks
I am not an adult and the only amount of money that I own is a 20 pound note but I subscribed and turned on notifications on just because of how sweet this man is and the stuff he does for the community so I hope you are doing well with you life and hopefully your jobs are paying well
You are very kind. Thank you so much ❤️
Allen, have you thought about ATAG? I'm now installing them, they are a fantastic deal for customers, sell only to Engineers so your boiler is delivered to site. Extremely easy to work on, everything is accessible. By the way thanks for your videos they really are positive. After talking briefly one late evening, I bought a REMS gun and am converted now to pressfit.
The quality of your work is always outstanding and your prices are really not to bad
You only get what you pay for and I know for sure once we get over the current crisis, you will never be out of work
Sat at home at the moment, Hopefully be back working soon. Thank you so much
Hi Allen, great video as always. When you’re stipulating those prices/quotes are you including parts and labour together, apologies if that sounds like a silly question.
Also it’s wonderful to see you always wanting to do a decent job and clear up mess from other traders. I as a customer don’t mind paying the extra as long as I can trust that it’s going to be done in the best interests of the customer. The numerous experiences I have had is that I pay a decent price but always get a bodge job done no matter what platform they’re on or what pictures they show me.
I can see clearly you go the extra mile, to be honest, I never thought about matching the brickwork but advised customer to get a bricky for that. Thanks for the video Alan!
I will do a video on the brickwork soon. Thanks.
Great video Allen would love to see more like this keep them coming👍🏼. Also the mains vs baxi 600 would be s good video and a cut up of the Worcester 👌
I will buy a main soon and do a video. Thanks.
Cheers Alan! Really honest video to tell us what you charge. I'm in London and sometimes i think i don't charge enough. This video gives me a great indicator.
Keep 'em coming!👍🏻
Do you charge more or less than me? Thanks.
I would say I'm on par with you . But living in london is more expensive and other installer are charging more.
But it gives me the confidence to look at the job and charge accordingly instead of charging what i think i can get away with.
Really like these videos looking at different installs and how you price for them. I'd be interested in seeing your thought process when you first look at a job and how you put a price on it. I'm newly in business and any help is a amazing as trying to get business info is very diffricult as many in the industry keep what they have learned to themselves.
Fair play mate, Great work. Bon continuation. Wish you all the best all the way from Morocco
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Alan keep them coming !!! Great videos!!
Glad you like them!
I'm a heating and plumbing engineer in South Wales. I'm glad to come across this video. I've been self employed for 6 years and doing the job for 12. But I am always wondering if I am too cheap or too expensive. Your prices are very fair and I would of estimated those jobs in the same area. 😉👍🏼
Keep safe
J P Thanks.
Allen I’m not in the trade but have been mechanical engineer most of my life apart from when I was about 5 to leaving school I helped my dad.
He worked for NWGB spotford road Liverpool left the Navy as a engineer and started with the Gas board with company motor bike and side car. Then upgraded to a Vauxhall’ viva years later.
I still have his original gas board bag and some of his tools but I used to help him with jobs he would do at weekends and just as open vent central heating was being put into houses.
He was very fussy and used to say do it right first time or don’t bother at all.
Reminds me allot like your self the type of person you would want to fit a boiler for you ,
Keep your videos going Allen hopefully when mine is due for renewal I give you a bell can’t put a price on quality of work and safety.
Thank you so much
It would have been a vauxhall (bedford) HA he had. Great workhorse for the time.
Thinking of moving on to Tools from being a QS. The hard part will be building a portfolio whilst working full time. I love watching your videos. They are so informative.
Hi Danny. Thanks.
Really enjoyed video mate liked and shared please do some more as great for new guys coming into industry learning how to quote
scott ward will do, what would you like me to include, Thanks
love the vids Alan! all the best to you
Thank you so much. Stay safe.❤
Gr8 mate I’m in Kent I’m very much like you can’t stand bad workmanship but I struggle pricing I see you on gas chat keep up good work and keep yourself and your family safe 👍 🙏
Thank you
This is great info. Because I m looking to change my gloworm hideaway floor standing boiler it’s giving me a bit of confidence to go and get quotes
Hi John. Let me know how you get on. Thanks.
Ask them if they test the water as per BS7593-2019 Thanks. ua-cam.com/video/3VcMnZEbrpg/v-deo.html
Hi Allen, this is exactly what us new guys need. thanks for proactively responding to mine and others' requests, just a pity some of the other good regular you tuber plumbers don't do the same. it's not commercial suicide, just makes crap plumbers stand out when they under cut everyone else. Most consumers don't see the need to pay for a proper flush, filters on systems, water testing etc, new legislation should put an end to most of the cowboys!
Hi David. I am grateful that people choose to watch. Thank you very much.
Honst vids , with really good content ... thanks 👍
Thank you so much.
Alan thank you very much for this video please do more of them 👍 your the only one doing this, great stuff. Also in one of your previous videos you said you used to work for a well known energy company can you do a video on your transition from working from them to yourself stuff like cost, advertising for work, how long did it take you to start earning money again stuff like that? Many thanks, Ken
That's a really good idea for a video. Thank you so much
yes Allen i like your videos . im retired now but i like to keep up with it just for interest. keep going . john
Thank you.
Great video Allen, would like to see more of the components on the 2000 to see what changes they really made and what old parts they kept from the previous model i.e 30si/junior
Thanks.
New sub - great open & honest content, stay safe 👍🏼
Thanks.
Realy boils my blood when I hear people installing boilers supply and fit for nothing. I've quoted jobs and the customers got quotes supply and fit for £800! I've spoke to engineers who fit boilers for £150-£200.. under value the trade.. glad to see your keeping the prices as they should be.
Thank you so much
I swapped a vokera compact for an easyheat last week, dropped the pressure through the prv lifted it off and dropped the new one on the same bracket and pipes, flue out the same hole then cut a filter in to comply with new regs. They already had a co detector. The system was squeeky clean as i've done stuff for them on the system for the past 3 years and there was an existing nest.
Under 470 ex vat for the boiler, filter and some inhibitor and i charged £990 (825 ex vat).Only materials i used was a handful of sand cement and 2ft of 5 core
3 hrs done and dusted including going to pick the boiler up from the merchants so i made roughly 340-50 for 3 hours work. Tell me i'm not charging enough and i'll rip you a new arse.
I charge what i see is fair not what i think should be the going rate. Those days are well gone.
I have 40 odd years experience doing this garbage and could do it with my eyes shut but i can honestly say i've never intentionally ripped anyone off.
Btw heres one.
1978-9 im a 3rd year apprentice and we are doing a bbu swap from solid to gas on a gas board job (in the days when the gas board were a good company).
The woman next door came in and said "im looking for a new boiler too can you give me a price".
My tradesman said you go in and see her so I went in and hadn't a clue how to price it.
She wanted a baxi W2 (a baxi wood as we called them) and said the gas board gave me a price of £1850 or whatever it was.
Me being young and thick said i'll do it for £1600.
Now considering you could buy a brand new car for around that price, albeit a chevette or escort ,it was still a lot of fuckin money.
I ordered the stuff through my boss (cos he was a decent cunt) and done the job with another apprentice on a long shift on the Saturday (including brick up and plastering).
Went into work on the monday and said how much do i owe you. £400 and whatever it was. Just short of £1200 for a days work in the late 70's
I paid the apprentice £100 for his shift (weekly wage was around £20) and he was severely pissed off that i bought myself a 2 year old cortina with my share.
Thats an example of how much rates and prices have fallen.
But that was different times.
‘Under value the trade’?? What do you mean? They charge what they are willing to do the job for....perhaps charging more than that might appear to be unethical to them.
Also the amount of time the same jobs gets a uplift for being in a nice area surprises me too..
Bilal Ali So people work on the side and pay no tax insurance etc, some work cash in hard, Then others that people pay tax insurance vat etc, business costs and advanced training, The people doing the job correctly often earn less
Allen Hart agreed training and insurances cost money and for the 50 plus boilers I’ve had fitted I make sure that couple of lads I use have both. Unfortunately people not paying tax, there is nothing you can do about that other than report them to HMRC and get a finders fee 😜
Loved your video, i know you shouldn,t expect to get every job you quote but you spend time going to see the job and try and build a relationship with the customer and give them advice and i do take it personally if i don,t get the job. Only been in the game 30 + years and the biggest problem i find over the last few years are the customers...They are expert plumbers/ heating engineers. Thanks Google!!
So true!
But get them to bend a 2 45’s in copper pipe and slip a bend on a flue and they would have no clue.
Remember your a Master Plumber and that’s what they pay for. Lol charge them more they know about the job. That should be a new physical Law in the age of information… 😂
It’s call labor cost and workmanship guaranteed they can by the part if it make it cheaper for them. 😂
I’m not in the trade, but your prices seam fair for the quality work you do 👍
Thank you so much
Amazing video. Really helpful.
Thank You
I Allen, I'm a heating installer in Dorset, Spot on prices great video spot on with Baxi keep it up.
Thank You.
Nice vid,I would like to see more of these vids from time to time to give an idea how prices go up over a time frame. Thanks
New video in a few hours about quotes. Thanks.
Love to see more actual installs
Thank you for all the donations to the charity. ❤
Hi Allen, good to see some actual quotes, what about doing a video on quotes for other types of jobs, oil-gas etc. I did a back boiler to gas last week, nightmare, thought it was a 2-3 day job, turned out to be a 5 day job+, as problem with regulator that Phoenix had to change, then 2' thick chimney breast walls that my core drill had a nightmare getting through, so hugely under-quoted. But , hey-ho, everyday is a school day.
I am happy to put any quotes on here, I only have so much time though. Thanks.
The amount of jobs you get , the amount of time you’ve been in the job tell me there’s nothing wrong with your prices , ppl who are asking too much or who’s work doesn’t fit the cost don’t last too long. Also I know 💯 with you that you will look for all the little things that maybe some wouldn’t and that you would try and do everything to a top top quality. The fact of the matter is you do get what you pay for , you really do. Ps I love the fact you wouldn’t just take the job and fit it on he electrics even tho you weren’t comfortable , again speaks volumes.
Thank You
Top Man , really like this . I have been a gas engineer for 43 years and always have problems with the cheaper installs .. you get what you pay for , always match the brickwork shows real care to the customer.
Thank you so much
Hi. I think your an honest guy who does an honest job.
Thank you
Hello Allan
I agree with most things you say, you are very honest when you say you are probably never going to be the cheapest quote with those prices. However you get what you pay for
My quotes for those jobs would come in a bit cheaper (not by a great deal though) for the one above the cooker. I would have refused to put the boiler back in the same place as well. I would have suggested moving the cooker. It is not a good place to put it next to the back door anyway. The wind could blow out the burners etc etc. I dont think I would have taken his word it was going to be moved either lol. I would have needed to see some pretty strong evidence it was being moved or allow me to move it, also there was other things needing attention, electrics, brickwork etc it all takes time.. The Biasi well that was just a pig of an installation and I think you gave a very fair price for that one. I would have been some where close to your price.
It is always better to give a price so you know you can comfortably do a good safe installation and allow yourself time to do it. There are so many installers/companies allowing ridiculas targets for installs these days.
However where I work there are so many Plumbers prepared to cut corners (flushing, filters etc) and most people would be surprised how many are still unregistered. They will always be cheaper because they dont have the registration fees and costs we have. Also some Landlords sometimes put a lot of pressure on Plumbers.
Stay safe and keep up the good work.
Thank you so much
Really interesting, more please 👍
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Prices are more than your one day install guys but that’s clearly reflected in the work. You get what you pay for 🤑
Thank you so much
You do a Good job, take no notices of others
Thank you so much
I think your prices are acceptable and fair. I think your work standard is excellent. A rare quality in this day and age. You did an install for a floor standing storage combi Vissemann 200ff I think. How much did that job cost? Videos like this help the normal man if they are being ripped off. Keep them coming. Thank you .
I will do an updated video soon on the Viessmann. Thank you
The problem i always had with pricing, was educating people with all the things they dont see like consumables, travelling , picking up gear, your time as an apprentice you had to learn the underpinning knowledge, thats without liabilities, advertising, book keeping, no sick pay no holiday pay, unless you could afford the insurances............thats why im now a handyman with a care company ........lot less pay and alot less aggravation, all the best to Allen
Absolutely. Thanks.
Well done mate, keep it up. Your prices are fair in my opinion. It'd be good to see more of you pricing work, I've been plumbing and heating for 10 years so it's interesting seeing other people's methods. I'll be installing my first Baxi 830 whenever it's safe to do so since watching your videos of them.
PS. Have you had any advice on government help for self employed folk like us?
I am trying to stay away from the current situation and share love in these hard times, Not really sure how I will manage but we will get through this. Keep sharing love my friend. Thank you so much
Hi Allen spot on with priceing i only fit quality boilers some you win some you lose ,keep up the good work
Thanks 👍
Enjoyed this one thanks
Thank You.
Opening up that WB would be fascinating mate. Yes, please!
What would you like me to do with it? I was thinking of totally cutting it up?
@@AllenHart999 Yes, an angle grinder to the heat exchanger and plate. A bit like a real life, 3D cutaway drawing. It would be fascinating to see how they're constructed, especially with any commentary on what you see inside.
@@ChrisCowley1 I will do that for you sir👍👍👍👍Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 Absolutely brilliant. Thanks. 👍
@@ChrisCowley1 Thank you for watching and supporting my channel.
So refreshing to listen to a professional, you are a credit to your profession sir. When my system shuffles off it’s mortal coil then I will contact you. Keep the videos coming. Brilliant.
Thank You.
Great content Allen. Enjoy your videos, you come across well. I would be interested in what your estimated time for doing the jobs are. Also with a bit more detail in the steps of the job. Appreciate this is just from my perspective. (Not a plumber or gas engineer. Only aspiring)
Will try and do that in future videos. Thank you so much
In the same boat as you.
Only doing emergency leaks or breakdowns but got the go ahead for a job I priced for in January in a empty house which no one has visited for the last 2 weeks.only place I could get a baxi was screwfix but it gives me much needed income and something to do.
I subcontracted for a building firm but didn't get my invoice in before they shut down so not sure when I'll get paid.
Good luck with it buddy. Thank you
very good alan as always
Thank You.
Good honest gas man we need you In Bedfordshire.......
Thank you so much.
Keep doing what you doing buddy.
Thank you so much. Stay Safe❤
Alan your amazing 😉, such a proper good man you are brov
Thank you.
Hi Allen enjoyed your vidio your prices are very good for a quality job i used to do install but got fed up of getting undercut by throw it in cowboys seen a lot of boilers like you were pricing to rip out ,badly fitted and no pride in workmanship.Keep up the good work and stay safe.
Thank you so much
I wish we lived in leeds good man. A guy I worked with called Brit Gas because he was losing pressure in his boiler,they said he needed a powerflush ?, then sold him a new boiler.
Thanks.
Great, but it’d be interesting to see what is included in various prices and how they are calculated.
I will do an updated video soon and show all the costs. Thanks.
Good work Allen
Thank You
The heating industry has fallen into the undercutting trap. On the other hand the Sparkies have kept their prices and their standards. The Sparkies are right. I admire you for working to a good standard Alan and I enjoy your videos very much. I don't think the heating industry will recover its status unless they do like in Germany and that is restrict the purchase of gas appliances and gas carrying parts to Gas Safe registered individuals. It will never happen and rogue installs will continue. We've all seen them, and its easy to tell the difference between an indifferent install by a registered installer and a rogue illegal install. A good install, like the ones you show us Alan, is a joy to behold.
Thank you so much
The sparkies definitely haven't kept there prices plenty out there undermine the trade.
@Mark Sesum I refer electrical jobs to two first class, but expensive electricians. They are swamped out with work, but I get some nice calls from the customers who are always delighted with the quality of the work, and the people. I should say I live in a relatively affluent part of the country.....if a bit out in the sticks. It's always harder in the built up areas or working for some landlords who don't want to spend anything so I do sympathise. I go to by far the most expensive optician round here.......not because I like chucking money away, but because of the reputation he has built over the last 30 years. He had a marketing strategy when he set up, and I'm not sure enough tradesmen do the same. I'm about to retire so I have time to reflect on these things. Best of luck with your new direction.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi Alan. Thanks for the video, very informative. Do you use a quoting tool? Would be great to see a video of how you construct your quote, or a breakdown? Many Thanks Joe
I will do that on another video soon, Great idea. Thanks.
Great job!
Thank you! Cheers!
Nice video again Alan
Thank you so much.
Legend of a man
Thank You.
I think your quotes are fair tbh, i know nothing about boilers but for a straight swap replacement i would expect around 2k
Thanks.
Allen keep up with good work mate, you cannot give accurate price sometimes every job is different i agree with you.
I seen most of your videos i rate you 10/10.
Keep up with the good work .take care keep safe.
When can you take me for a ride in your new car lol.
Where abouts do you live?
London
@@nazmo8900 Ha Ha i am not coming to London to take you for a drive. Thank you so much
No worries!
Keep up with good work,
Look after your self.
I like your honest opinion Allan
Thank You.
Good video Allen, enjoyed it. Btw, ref leeds job, what was those metal bar, scaffold directly infront of the flue? Looked like a mobile phone mast.
CB mast I believe. Thanks.
After watching some of your install videos I am sure people would be happy to pay your prices knowing how good a good your going to do. Shame your not in Birmingham I would definitely be giving you a call to quote for my new boiler, my15 year old Valliant turbomax cant last much longer.
Thank you so much for your kind words.
prices are very fair maybe a bit on the cheap side if anything. my opinion is you got to take care of your business and make sure your making good money otherwise there is no point. if you are qualified and skilled and follow gas safe regs that's what you deserve. another great vid Allen cheers.
Hi Ryan, Thank you so much.
I recently had a Baxi 830 with Nest 3rd gen thermostat and new 7m 22mm gas pipe from meter (I lifted all flooring and floorboards for access to gas run and all pipework). This was a system conversion, with all tanks/old pipework removed. £2200 in Birmingham. All notified and fitted in a day (a long day) by one fitter 👍
Would of taken me more than a day to do a flush on a conversion. Thanks for the comments. 👍
@@AllenHart999 To be fair, I don't touch gas work, but keeping your system clean, is an easy DIY job. System is spotless. Thanks 👍
MARK FINN Would of been a 3 day job for me😂 Thanks.
@@AllenHart999 He is a bit slimmer than you though Allen, so maybe moves faster 😉
MARK FINN The cleaning chemicals cannot be rushed 😂😂😂❤️👍
Hi, Allen great video , please could you advice, me how can I troubleshoot the problem with the Vaillant tubo 828, water temperature not staying constant, we have changed heat exchanger, water, heat exchanger and NTC sensors,
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