Why is the Piper M600 so Popular?
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2022
- Today we are going to have a look at an awesome turboprop. The airplane we cover today is from proper aircraft located in Florida. Let's find out why is the piper m600 so popular?
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I owned one. The 600 is highly compromised for various reasons. The cabin is small, and getting into the pilots seat is crazy difficult. I had to go in backwards and twist around and I’m only 175 pounds and 5’ 10”. The Garmin 3000 would not upload the database updates every month and I had to spend hours and hours on the phone with Garmin and Jefferson to force through the updates. Range is very compromised once you have more than 2 on board including the pilot with baggage. And the nose wheel issues made me paranoid. If you don’t already know, the nose wheel has an usually high failure rate should the pilot have a heavy landing or makes an excursion. This is a huge issue when the engine is running! Moral of the story… never change a design originally for a piston and produce a turbine version. I sold it after 6 months.
now here’s an honest opinion of someone who owned one. not dreamed about it in fantasy style.
Appreciate the input! What do you fly now?
I love u sir
Which plan would you rather recommend around the same price ?
Just curious, what's the longest trip that you can still manage without the needs of lavatory?
Looks and performs great. "Popular" is a relative term. At about $2M, there aren't that many around. It's out of reach of the vast majority - even the vast majority of pilots/owners.
It’s $3M, not $2M. That’s still $1M+ less than most SETP’s like E1000GX, TBM, PC12NGX or Denali.
At 35 units in annual sales, its substantially less popular than all of those SETP’s. Honestly, the difference in operating and finance costs between the M600 and a TBM930 is negligible on annualised basis. If $1M difference is the deciding factor, you’re probably already out of your budget and better suited to a used C340, C421 or TBM700/850.
Since introduction of Vision Jet, I’m honestly surprised Piper can still sell any M600’s. By turbofan standards the Vision Jet is slow, short range and limited full fuel payload. It however outperforms the M600 in every aspect for less $$.
If my aircraft budget were limited to $3M, the M600 would not be a consideration due to its slow speed and very limited full fuel payload. I’d buy a low hours late model TBM850 everyday of week and twice on Sunday
@@MichaelM-to4sg "Since introduction of Vision Jet, I’m honestly surprised Piper can still sell any M600’s."
Thats what I was thinking. The Cirrus Vision, Starts 714 and the Flors LAR 01 are on another level and imho in time will take over. I think Piper is still saved by the fact that the development of the new aircrafts takes so much time (the LAR01 - my personal favourite - is still pre-production) and that production capacity of the jets is very limited
The accident/incident rate for the M600 on landing rollout is way out of line…..the much vaunted HALO system can apply brakes asymmetrically during landing, causing the airplane to veer off the runway…..I wonder if this has been fixed?
Gorgeous. Oozes high performance and style. Love it.
7:16 'OVER 7 color patterns to choose from!'
I guess that sounds more grandiose than just saying, '8 color patterns'.
How about "between 2 and 4 million color patterns to choose from!"
...because 8 is between 2 and 4 million....
I love this thing. Fast, sporty, great reviews.
A beautiful plane, inside and out
still a beauty. as a kid in the 80ties I flew in a piper malibu.
4:35 "in fact, there's even room for some luggage"
lol that's a bonus for a multi- million dollar machine 😂
Depends how many passengers and mission profile. That MTOW becomes a real limiting factor very quickly for many mission profiles.
Absolutely love the looks of this plane
Yes. Great looking bird.
Nem tudo e aparecia e sim que funcione sem dar Pane e isso que Esperamos de um Avião que custa quase 3 Milhões 💸💰💸
World class in terms of safety, reliability and quality. Brilliant machine.
Apparently not
Marc Edwards would disagree with you
Great plane. I have 9 in my garage. Can recommend.
What a awesome plane!
I would buy the Pilatus PC-12 for that much money. Love the Pilatus.
This is such an awesome aircraft! I've liked it right from the jump. The newer Garmin system is also outstanding. 👍
I fly it
@@pilotjenya Lucky dog.
Lance is a wonderful man. The Aircraft are brilliant. Piper is awesome.
I'll be placing my order soon. Soon as someone gives me the money. Costs 0 dollars to dream.
Wow review 😊
4:33 "Plenty of room for the pilots (plural) and the six passengers on board" Yet, there are only six seats total, two in the cockpit and 4 in the cabin. Best you are going to do is one pilot and 5 passengers and one of the passengers will need to be in the cockpit.
It's all about the p51 shape. The prop to the cockpit glass is pure style, that's it, that's the reason.
Seems like there are two groups commenting . One group loves its looks .
The other group gives specific information about issues .
Really great looking airplane and it’s a Piper too!
Would be awesome to see one set up for critical care and air medical transport
Lacks payload & speed for such duty. The cargo door width would also constrain access. The Otter or Caravan surpass its payload & capability for back country usage while TBM, E1000, PC12NGX and Denali surpass in payload, range & speed.
That mission profile would require at minimum the capacity for pilot, 2 EMT’s, patient and medical gear. The M600’s very low MTOW results in very limited fuel range to fit that required payload.
The slow cruise of M600, while disappointing by SETP standards, would be acceptable given its relatively low price, it’s very limited MTOW is what kills the sales of this aircraft and severely limits its mission profile.
I love Piper.
Impressive and inspiring presentation. Only one question remains: during 5 hours flight passengers and pilots will piss their pants? Or in the bottle?
The TBM 940 also has the Garmin Autoland capabilities.
My toilet seat lands almost same way
And the Pilatus PC-12 NGX
@@CreepinCreeper145 Not true.
@@CreepinCreeper145 The merit of the PC 12 NGX is capable of landing on grass strips, not auto-landing.
@@CreepinCreeper145 The Pilatus is Honeywell glass, much like many turbofans.
I am 6' 7" and I weigh 379 lbs and I had no issues , at all , getting into cockpit . Fuel range is accurate for the most part . You have got to stay on top of monitoring tire pressure . Very important for obvious reasons . Nitro is best bet
I am 6'10 and 479lbs and i agree !!! 😁
Me too! I am 9' 14" tall and weight 1,100 lbs and had no issues!
I’m flattered the UA-cam algorithm recommended this to me
Awesome
It’s a fantastic aircraft, it doesn’t suit my needs (PC-12 works for me) but if I didn’t need rough field capability and enough load for 6 months worth of baked beans, I’d love one of these.
Cool, i'll take one.
Traveling that far a distance, what about needing a pit stop for the bathroom. No one ever talks about that feature. I guess a porta potty to go? Just a thought.
Nice looking plane. Thanks for sharing.
That's why I don't put much stock in the so-called maximum range that the manufacturer quotes. Depending on the strength of one's bladder, I compute the range as 3-4 hours times the planes cruise speed. I think that is a much more realistic range.
Lol. True! I'm 62, I good for about an hour.
When I travel alone, I do frequent "in drive" pee stops per a urinal. Otherwise it'd take me 9 hours to get to Austin from West Texas. I fill up in Van Horn, next stop Junction 350+ miles - non-stop.
Sorry but you sound like a troll.
Are you a pilot or do you often fly private? These aircraft have pee tubes though most of us who fly carry a pee bottle. The only reason for a potty is to defecate which if you know your body, don’t suffer from a bowel disorder and plan your meals, is not an issue. There are certainly aircraft with potty’s but they are usually much larger with considerably longer range. Closest in size would be the TBM which has optional potty but it’s range is nearly double the M600 unless you’re flying solo or very limited payload to allow a full fuel load.
Maximum range is important in case you run into weather thats just being a bitch, and you end up having to find an alternate for the alternate. Just about everyone can deal with 3 hour flights, then a break (when you have pax). Solo of course, you can stretch that out. Never underestimate the value of a couple of empty Snapple bottles. ;)
You are not going to get much of a "porta potty" in a small plane like this, much less room to move around to use it. As other have said, some kind of little bottle. And the only place to take a dump is in your pants.
I'd pick this over
a light jet any day.
One awesome machine...
ALMOST a haiku
@@thead66
I write poetry
and haiku.
There are many turbo prop planes now that are faster and cheaper to fly than private jets. Partly thinks to the PT6 patent running out about 21 years ago. Suddenly there were really fast 4-5 seat carbon fiber rockets flying around. About the same time Fed Ex bought 200 Cessna Caravans saving the company's but.
Great video. Butt don't need the music. sound overload .
Are they are better than Mooney?
Good review! Speed and power has a trade off, more $$ and harder to fly. The latest TBM is almost $5m, and ~1200 SHP w/360kts TAS. Is it worth twice as much for a modified Mooney? (Yes, modified Mooney, look it up) 8) --gary
After your first few flights all flying is like watching paint dry with the chance of auguring in.
Which one is more noisy, propeller or jet?
Watching this on 4th of July. I spent more that a couple years with a M-16 on my back! So glad this “winner” had picked that plane! Americans and America! This makes a winning team! 🇺🇸
I SMASH THE LIKE BUTTON!!! LOL
Don't know if it's very popular but I know it's very desirable and very capable
By what definition? Despite the updated wing design, it remains lowest full fuel payload in class. Poorest range and slowest in class. It’s only benefit is it’s lowest price in class. For those of us in market, the appeal of $3M for a new SETP loses its appeal when one considers its performance. The simple fact is TBM and E1000GX are considerably faster and more capable for just 25% more cost and TBM holds its value far better. Even the Cirrus jet is far more appealing and far less $$. It only lacks cabin class seating but the M600 is so tight and it’s full fuel payload so little, it’s hard to consider that a differentiating factor.
Does it come with a parachute! Seriously some planes have one on the plane!
Whats the cost of private jet flight in the states? Even with out maintenance cost etc. You could get a lot of private flights over buying one of these.
Anywhere between $15,000-20,000+ and Up from there. Before Inflation and High Fuel Cost, a Couple of Years Ago you could Charter a Private Plane Starting at $10,000.
Beefed up spitfire 😳
I'll go with the Pilatus PC 12.
99% of the viewers including me can’t even afford this. Still watching every detail 😂
Good review. If I hadn't a phobia of flying I would certainly have bought one. Damn.
A mini PC-12 :P
I wonder if you could call this a "personal airliner"? It's fast and luxurious...and expensive.
Cirrus Vision better fits than description. The M600 is not fast, it’s cabin and cockpit is very tight and by most 6-passenger cabin class aircraft, it’s not very luxurious
Where's the toilet?
So clearly whoever wrote the script had no idea what any of this meant.
Wouldn’t you just calculate $185 an hour operating cost? That way you calculate the 3600 flight hour checkup.
The M in M Class Stands for Millionaire.
I'll take 2!
I swear this dude's just reading the owner manual
Is this the plane on The show The Terminal List??
Does this plane need fuel with lead?
Its ok, i'll book a regular flight om a large aircraft
AWESOME Aircraft! But I HAVE a 2 PART QUESTION.... It's $130 an hour for midlife engine inspection at 1800Hours which EQUALS $234,000. Then after another 1800Hours, the engine is due for a complete overhaul at $200,000. **That DOESN'T INCLUDE an additional 234k as in the 1st midlife inspection correct?? For example, $200k Overhaul PLUS the 1800Hour midlife inspection at 234k? I would assume NOT obviously Because you're doing a complete engine overhaul & it's no longer Midlife engine hours but Full-life engine hours at 3600Hours, so why would it?? Or is there an additional inspection fee ontop of the 200k Overhaul but substantially lesser than a midlife inspection fee..??
NOW The 2nd PART to that QUESTION is.... ** If a complete engine overhaul at 3600Hours is 200K BUT a MIDLIFE 1800mile inspection is 234K ($130/hour +1800hrs) then WHY NOT just do a complete overhaul at the middle 1800Hour mark (even though there's still half engine life AFTER a inspection)
* Then come the 1st 1800Hour MIDLIFE INSPECTION, Why not just do a complete OVERHAUL after 1800Hours for $34,000 less at 200K Compared to a midlife inspection at $234,000??? Why is the Midlife Inspection $34K MORE than a entire engine Overhaul??? Someone with three knowledge, please throughly answer that 2part question of mine. I'm deeply curious. Thanks
Those are serious questions for a UA-camr whose facts in the video are all screwed up. First off, good luck finding a brand new M600 SLS for less than $3M, and nobody quotes speed in kilometers, it's either knots or miles per hour. There are a bunch of sites to get estimated hourly costs, but even those will change dramatically depending on fuel cost and number of hours flown. There are fixed costs that have to be taken into account, like hangar, insurance, pilot training, etc, and there are also variable costs like fuel, airport usage fees, hourly engine maintenance programs, among others. Check sites like Aircraft Cost Calculator or Conklin & Decker. You'll find basic info there, but subscriptions are required to get more detailed estimates. In general, if you were to fly the M600 for like 450 hours, expect to budget an hourly cost of around $750 per hour. This covers both fixed and variable costs.
I have a better question, who can afford this ??? 🤔
@@babernethy13574 thank you! I was so frustrated listening to that narration in the video, like the way he averaged the pounds per hour as if every flight is two hours. Good grief 130 an hour?? In my Saratoga with typical usage I calculated my overall costs in the upper 200s per hour!
IDK…I take a bus.
@@zlmdragon. i said over all not overhaul
Ive used this numerous times with my crew to bust out a criminal while dodging Missiles from a F-16 as my buddy in the AH-6 gives me covering firing.
5:03 Wonder why this shot is reversed left/right?
7:24 Another one.
Hi, always need a toilett ??
Did I just watch a 10 minute advertisement? lol
looks like a modern p51 mustang
??! 5:23 Wow! WOW!! Does it have *Cupholders? **7:25** WOW!* Still though, that price 1:00 is pretty steep, maybe if it had Red and Green Position Lights 6:45 OK, OK, NOW I will sign the check, how much again? 1:00
The trouble with Autopilot, Auto-Oopsie 5:43 and Auto-Land 8:06 is that it rewards carelessness of Skills while the speed 4:13 encourages arrogance. Fortunately, this is a long runway Aircraft 8:37 where it has to share space with pilots having thousands of hours in the Left Seat. It also keeps it away from the Puddle Jumpers that value flying skills over buttons.
Because it looks like a spitfire passenger plane 😀
I never could understand why speeds are advertised in MPH. Unless this is for marketing. Even small jets advertise in MPH.
Murica. Entire world uses the metric system, not sure what's going on there lol
It's always was miles per hour
Why not? Miles, per, hour,.... Don't you want to know how many miles you'll travel in an hour? You can calculate/ convert, everything else you wanna know from that..
@@scottrichmond3400
My question is. Why does marketing not only with planes but with yachts.
Sales will use SM rather than NM. Maybe 28 SM per hour sounds better than NM. when showing a boat the buyer sees a higher number. Small jets are always advertising with SM. Seems a little dishonest and sneaky.
That’s not true. Maybe for this clowns video but we always use KTAS for specs. For the uninitiated that is acronym for Knots (nautical miles per hour) True AirSpeed.
I just intalled a rebuilt engine on a Matrix. The owner is not happy with the perfomance
compared to the TBM 940 (960)?
30% higher price but infinitely more capable.
@@MichaelM-to4sg other than the price....
single engines kinda scare me...nice aircraft though
.........thank God, the Garmin system is just time to land the airplane when the jabbadewed pilot dies while in flight!!!!!!!!OUTSTANDING!!!!!! Most of my flight time is in Piper aircraft, Archers and Arrows, and I wouldn't mind having one of these babies!!!!!!!gh
Lucky you
Like a Saratoga turbo prop
Yes, but the M500 can land and take off on grass strips. I like the Meridian better.
You’re probably alone in that assessment. The M500 was of course a renamed Meridian, essentially the PA46 airframe w/PT6A replacing the problematic Lycoming motor. While the similarly problematic pressurisation system was updated, as were avionics, the Meridian/M500 still had a 35 year old airframe with inefficient wing design that offered very limited MTOW by modern SETP standards. The M600 wing update not only offered increased cruise speed, it dramatically increased MTOW, still well behind the TBM and now E1000GX and Vision Jet but a vast improvement over M500. It’s hard to imagine a mission profile where the M500 equals or surpasses the M600, maybe short range bush pilot duty but there are of course Otters and Caravans far more capable for such duty.
I’m not a fan of anything Piper except the old Aerostar and Cheyenne 400LS but choosing between Meridian/M500 and M600, I choose the latter everyday of week and twice on Sunday
@@MichaelM-to4sg Not if you have a 3000 feet grass strip in your backyard. You cannot land M600 on it, which is perfect for M500. Got it?
Would you fly from Texas to Florida with a single engine?
Yeah, especially with a super reliable PT6A given the appropriate maintenance.
If you're in Texas and need to go to Florida perhaps?
Statistically speaking, I would have a better chance of dying in a car accident driving from TX to FL than I would for that PT6A engine to fail and crash (if properly maintained). Single engine no problem.
@@dsteve70davidson97 shoot, you’d almost have a higher risk just getting to and from the airports.
unless it has a stack of about $2.8 million inside it's still a very expensive item since many people won't make that much in an entire lifetime of work even with a good paying job.
$2.8 million? Heck, I got that in my coin purse. Now where did I put that purse?
things that a member of the middle class may not experience.
Those are $3M well spend,,imagine flying to a foreing country and have the piece of mind that your personal flight is always there waiting for you
“pc12 alternative”…someone said as the reason for it being “popular”
🤔
I've decided this is the plane I want.. now I have to go ask my manager at burger King for a raise and see if I can trade in my 98 Honda Civic as a down payment lol
It's popularity can't be because the wings snap off in turbulent weather. Could it?
No restroom?
For almost 3 million might as well l get a vision jet 😩
Garmin es el mejor en este jet!
I dont know? Wann tell me why?
Isn't this type from 1979 with a few minor tweaks? Sounds like the marketing spin Airbus has been doing to their outdated 1988 A320-200.
UFOs 20,000 Mph in seconds
U need to be an AMP with your own shop to afford the maintnance cost!
I think you mean A&P.
What, no rest rooms?!.. Jip
I was really interested but I stopped the video once you told me to smash the like button. ✌️ I’ll get my information elsewhere
SHP ?
I'm guessing static horsepower?
no parachute though
Is this a video or a thinly veiled commercial?
So popular, by what definition? They sell around 35 units annually. That’s less than 40% of PC12NGX sales globally. Similarly that’s 40% of Cirrus Jet sales. It’s actually less than TBM sales despite Daher production line being shuttered for several months due to supply issues. Once Epic gets near full capacity, they too will surpass M600 sales and when Textron’s Denali is certified, it too will surpass the M600.
The more relevant question is why has Piper not re-engineered this aircraft? The M600 updated wing design over M500 was not enough to make this aircraft competitive. It’s full fuel payload is lowest in class. It’s cruise speed also worst in class, same with range. Compared to our C340 w/Ram VII, why would I spend $3M for less full fuel payload and gain less than 40 ktas in cruise speed at 30% more fuel usage? We’ve ordered the E1000GX, yes it’s a higher priced but it’s 50% better range, 50% higher full fuel payload and 75 ktas higher cruise. I’m honestly surprised they’re able to sell 35 units annually. I rarely see them in air or ground around here.
Because it costs half as much as a TBM
nice plane, but, how does it compare to the TBM850 or TBM940?
I'm glad to say you are wrong.
The TBM has something at least as advanced as what the Piper has on offer.
03:22 | "...270 pound per hour of 45 US Gallons..." And I suppose the air pressure of the main wheels is 45 psi of 10 fleas per camel.
03:56 | "...you get 500 miles of extra flight time..." and I suppose if you put more fuel in the plane it will go faster.
THUMBS DOWN for bad script. Did anyone with an aviation background proof read it?
Sorry, too much AM radio in the VO. Can't take it.
Awesome aircraft. But with all this hype to the plane there is one bad thing. The entry for the pilot to the cockpit seat is made for circus athletes. And it’s not a joker for the pilot to get out easily from the pilot seat through the cabin. Even in case of an emergency landing. So here is the only disadvantage of the Piper M600. But a big one. In my opinion.
Tight fit for a 6' 4" 180lb
WNBA athlete (Candace Parker)?
@@kurakuson 😅 have fun 🤩
Because it run drugs good.