Being on a vacation while your child is in a hospital, dying and begging for you, is one of the worst things someone can do. It's one of those black and white things. If you have the heart (or lack of it) to do that to your own child, you are irredeemable imo. People go to huge lenghts for the health of their pets, and there are "parents" who would do this. Poor girl :(
@@amilasrsly Even if she was, a child's well being goes over the parent's imo. Parents should take care of themselves, but if your kid is literally dying, there aren't really things more important than that.
@@Mila28.06 Of course, but I could see a person panic-denying facts and just not acknowledging them at all. It could have been something other than just callousness, is what I’m saying. People do lose their wits over something so horrific as horrible illness or death of a child.
Right ? I was horrified listening to this story. And I'm not even sure I want a child one day, so I couldn't really relate (I didn't cry), but damn. She clearly abandoned her dying child and her mourning family to go chill on a beach, wtf is wrong with her
I really hope she doesn't have any other children and the husband leaves her, this is one of the most disturbing mlm stories that I have read, I don't understand it. I really hope it was some weird denial and she is not this evil but still she wasn't there for her daughter, I hope that haunts her.
What broke me was that little girl crying for her mom and not understand why she wasn’t there. Then her upline ENCOURAGED her to share the struggle knowing that child was dying….if anyone is still confused as to why I can’t stomach MLMs they are getting shown this story.
The brain washing is real. Literal cults. There’s another c word for the upline and their uplines upline but I think it would get removed if I used it.
I'm grown, and a few years ago I ended up in the hospital with sepsis. The doctor told that I wasn't going to make it, and to call my family in. My mother didn't even bother to pick up the phone and call me, much less come by the hospital or ask if I needed anything. I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that women like that exist. It's sad.
I was a corporate lawyer when my son was born with a heart defect and had to have surgery at 8 days old. All I received from my firm was full support and time to spend with my son. And lawyers are not even human!!! This lady is a demon.
Story #2 was absolutely horrifying and enraging. My daughter died last year after a terrible accident. She lingered for three weeks before finally passing. I can't think of ANYTHING that would have made me leave her there alone. There was NOTHING more important than being by her side. This woman is evil.
Please don't apologize for showing your humanity through your tears. It's such a nice contrast to the people in these stories. It only shows how big your heart is, for people you'll never even meet.
😒🙄 I wonder how long she had to pose in order to get a good shot of her "tears" to make for the thumbnail. Girl, you don't even know if these stories are actually true
@@yeetnama9094I have to agree with you that the thumbnail is clickbaity but I don’t think it’s fair to say that she “posed crying” a bunch of times to get the right shot for the thumbnail. Maybe some influencers do that but did she do it? Probably not. But for real, I avoided watching this video for a while because I felt like the thumbnail was pure clickbait
I was smiling the whole time. That was exactly what we needed after that brutal second story. I loved how she gave the scammers a taste of their own medicine!
That Mary Kay story is possibly the worst thing i've ever heard. Those poor children. Not only her daughter crying and begging for her while dying, but her other kid who watched his mother abandon them for a vacation, lie about and use the situation, and then essentially abandon him again while he's grieving. He has to live with that for the rest of his life.
If a "friend" trashes you when you leave your job, then they were never your friend. This seems to be all too common in MLM culture; act friendly when you're in it and then drop you when you move on.
I am not a parent, but I’m a hospice social worker who worked on pediatrics for a couple years. I cannot imagine any one of those parents leaving their child for work or spending time away that they absolutely didn’t have to. I could only do it for a couple years because it just broke my heart and I went back to working with adults. These parents held on to every moment they could because they knew their time was limited. May Miranda rest in paradise.
Thank you for acknowledging that some parents have to work. A makeup retreat while a child is dying, no. Having to earn a living over a long period of time is a different story.
thank you for the difficult and underrecognized job you do, and you are so right. Some parents are forced to leave for financial reasons or other needs, but I'm not a parent but I'm a big sibling who practically raised some babies, and I could never imagine leaving them when they are super sick unless there was no other option.
@@LynxieDove yes, thank you. I love the work and it can be difficult. Especially when it was with kids. It was something that I couldn’t do for very long.
That Mary Kay hun story makes me absolutely sick. That was one of my worst experiences with a MLM and now I see why. Those people are just......ugh 😡. That poor baby. My heart just ached hearing how upset she was just wanting her mommy
Never ever admit to a crime no matter what they’re promising. Whether it’s the police or a company you work for, don’t speak with them and just lawyer up.
As a mom to a young child (9months) I can’t even imagine putting anything above my child any day, let alone if she was sick and in the same condition that Miranda was. I couldn’t help but get emotional while you were reading it and now while writing this comment. If this doesn’t put into perspective the depths that MLM reps will go to get a sale, I don’t know what else does.
I feel that 100%. I have a 9 month old as well, and I can’t imagine not putting him above EVERYTHING, especially if he were sick, let alone if I knew he was going to pass. I just cannot understand how some ppl don’t understand what a blessing it is to even HAVE a child. A blessing that some ppl don’t ever get. SMH. That poor little girl. May she rest in peace. 😓
Yeah, I'm glad my mom didn't listen to me when I tried to convince her to accept a friend's invitation to Mary Kay. I was fourteen and didn't know it was an MLM/scam. I heard 'make up discount' and just said 'do it'.
Same. I had a roommate try to talk me in to Avon. My mom sold Avon when I was a kid and I had good memories about going through the catalogs and getting their products. Because of that, I was very tempted. My boyfriend (now my husband) talked me out of it. I’m really bad at finances and math in general (I later learned I have dyscalculia) and he broke down my income and bills and showed me how I just didn’t have enough money to buy in to an MLM. He was absolutely right (I was flat broke in college) so I declined signing up. Thankfully, my roommate was cool about it.
Oh Gawd. I'm not a mother, but I'm in tears for that poor little girl. The insane cruelty of that "mother" leaves me traumatized. Your tears emphasizs your humanity. 😢🤬
I lost two little girls who I loved more than life, and would give ANYTHING to just have one more day. Its been six months and im still not even functioning. Story #2 is unfathomable, truly.
The story of the 16 year old sneakily signing up for Perfectly Posh and then the company goes under...I hope she played a part in taking them down 😂. Stealing might not be right, but I say everything's fair when it comes to taking from an MLM, given the amount of money and time and mental health they're going to steal from others.
And I also say the company kind of brought it on themselves by making their entire business model a scam AND on top of it being dumb enough to not have IT people available at 7 PM when the girl made it clear that's when the glitch happened. Like, really. That stupidity is why the girl was able to do this in the first place. It's as stupid as leaving your front door unlocked when you go on vacation and being all shocked pikachu face if you get home to find your entire house robbed. And I say vacation because this isn't like momentarily forgetting to unlock the door on an errand and coming right back. (in which a robber would still have to stake out the place for days hoping for an opportunity and/or act on impulse). And this isn't a personal boundary either (where anyone should know better than to barge in regardless of how exposed said person might be because people aren't property and can always make clear whether there's an actual invitation or not). This is more like putting up a bigass sign saying "Please rob me now. My door is open".
Also what kind of tech support hears that an exploit like that could be happening, and happening at a specific time and doesn't do the due diligence of trying the exploit at that time
Currently snuggled up on the couch with my 3 year old after listening to that second story. He's been sick for like a week and feels better today, so he's been giving me big hugs and kisses. I'm so grateful that I got out of my MLM when he was still a small infant. My heart is broken for the little girl in that story. I can't even fathom abandoning my child when he needs me most. As an overprotective mom of a toddler with autism, I can only imagine the harmful rhetoric I would still be listening to and sharing about essential oils if it weren't for your videos Hannah. Thank you for all that you do 💖
That poor baby. You're right, THAT'S a HORROR story. I was thinking, maybe she couldn't take the pain...but as you probably already know, being a mother literally means that your priorities have to take a back seat because your child needs something. Try to take this story as a blessing for every time you're feeling overwhelmed by motherhood. My 37 year old daughter is visiting me today, and I can't wait to hug her. Yeah, being a mother is a lifelong thing.
You have a undeniable passion for this community and I absolutely love you for it. In depth descriptions, debunking and these…. our stories. I love your voice, I love and hate the stories but THIS THUMBNAIL PICTURE is as raw as it gets. We all feel them, but I think you Hannah feel that emotion most. Thank you for all you do. Cry all you need. We’ll cry together ❤
My advice for anyone wit friends/family who push you to buy their mlm stuff for a good cause like medical bills; if you genuinely want to help, just ask them how much commission they would make on a sale, usually its somewhere around $25%, then instead of buying an overpriced cream or oil for $40, just give then the $10 they'd make off it. Saves you money, still helps them the same amount, and stops you from supporting a terrible business.
My son was hospitalized with RSV in January of this year when he was only 4 months old. He had to be placed on oxygen because he couldn't get enough air on his own. One night, my husband sent me home so I could get some sleep and he stayed with our baby. I sobbed the entire drive home and I cried myself to sleep when I got there because I was terrified that he would need me and I wasn't there. The idea that a mother could leave her dying child to beg for her in the hospital is unconscionable.
I was on MediFast back in college which is what Optavia is now. After almost 6 months, I ended up in the hospital and nearly died. Optivia screwed up my metabolism, damaged my organs. Please, if you know of anyone on this diet tell them to RUN.
You know, sometimes you make the observation that years later someone will realize they gave up their wedding day or birth of their child to shill MLM product, but this woman let her child cry for her mother as she was dying. There's no coming back from that.
I truly think that the mom with the dying daughter is sociopathic. There really isn’t any other explanation that I can think of. What a heartbreaking story. Sending all moms impacted by that story a huge hug ❤❤❤
I was leaning towards narcissistic instead of sociopathic, not that it's any better. Both lack empathy, so it's mostly a moot point, but the goals and motivations are different. She's horrible either way.
Sadly, a lot of narcissists become parents because they see children as means to benefit themselves. My mom married the most moneyed man she could have, disregarded the fact that the man (my dad) had already married with two kids. She also had two children (my sister and I) with the man to ensure her children would take care of her in her old age. When my dad left her to marry another woman (duh🙄), she became abusive towards me, UNTIL I could work and earned some money (which she took without my consent). My personal experience makes me assume the worst when I see people monetize their children on social media. I'm also very suspicious towards people who adopt a lot of children.
Horrible!!!! But I always did sense a cult vibe from any mlm company. Could never point my finger on it and my friends just laughed at me for comparing mlm companies to cults
My sister tried to be a MK consultant. Some of the meetings were a few hours away from her. She would get yelled at for not attending. Her last straw was when she attended a local workshop and I was her guest. As I wasn’t “model material”, I was treated as if I was a toddler (I was in my 20s at the time) and of absolutely no value. She quit after that.
She’s lucky she couldn’t prove how she knowingly stole. Did she have it in writing that they wouldn’t press any charges? They were screen and audio recording her to admit how she knowingly stole from the company she worked for. Don’t do the work for a company to charge you, that can genuinely affect your future career. Make them prove it wasn’t an innocent accident due to a company’s technical error
18:30 girl... don't even feel bad about crying. I don't have kids, and the rage and heartbreak I feel for Miranda is intense. I feel bad for Cody, too. God forbid he gets sick
I am not a mother and never will be, but that second story filled me with rage towards that mother and made my heart weep for that dying child crying for her mother. Now I ache for her surviving brother because it sounds like neither of his parents are interested in him.
The MK story broke my heart. I have a 3.5 yr old little boy and I can’t imagine him crying in the hospital for me when he’s dying. I’m gonna go and give him extra hugs and kisses.
I'm going to be up at night thinking about story #2 right there with you! Poor Miranda, and poor little boy who has pretty much been abandoned by his parents as he grieves his sister. And on a side note - Miranda would have had Medicaid and no medical bills! Always double check the facts when someone asks for pity purchases for "medical bills".
My daughter has a rare genetic condition where most with severe forms of it die by age 4. She is turning 4 this month. Yet we still haven't been able to receive medicaid here in Ohio. We are trying to fight for a waiver. Some states are super strict with medicaid. A social worker did tell us that if you are in the hospital for more than 30 days, you can get it (she had medicaid for only a month or two after being in the nicu for over 7 weeks after birth before they kicked her off for income). I would certainly hope this child had medicaid being she was literally on her deathbed, but sometimes the government does fail these children and their parents, so I would do research on the person in questions state laws and health conern before thinking they are lying. No confrontation at all, just informing.😊 Now if we moved 40 mins east into PA, she would have had medicaid since birth. I wish more states were like that. We are struggling to get my daughter the things she needs, and it is not fair to her at all! The Healthcare system is failing 😢
It’s sick that any state would restrict health insurance this way. I’m sorry that’s something you have to deal with, especially now. I hope you’re able to get it asap. Situations like yours are why I’m a huge advocate for some kind of universal healthcare. No one should be financially ruined or have to put off/refuse care for becoming sick.
The Mary Kay hun who went on a retreat when her critically ill daughter was dying is an utterly despicable person. Everything she did was so vile. OMG I can't believe it's real. I am so disgusted.
I know right....I did a quick goodgle and unfortunately I did find her online...obviously I don't know if she went to the beach but I did find the family...and that beautiful baby girl my heart breaks for her if her lasts days ended like the story says😢
As someone working in class action - the MLM let a minor doing something without parent permission that legally required parent permission. And had no way of verifying parent permission, most states require in person parent signatures or must contact the parent to verbally verify, and in some states you must have a work permit as a minor that requires a parent under specific ages. It wouldn't just be hard for the MLM to fight, they could be countersued for a lot of money and that countersuit could've opened a floodgate with the state for exploitations of minors which would've ruined not just the company, but possibly the founders and reps if the company was not an LLC.
I always think of it as a club that only lets in 10% of the people in the line outside. The entire goal is to get 90% of the line behind you so you can get inside. Then once inside you realize only the line continues to the VIP section.
Hannah, you handled the Mary Kay hun story very well. Anyone with a heart I'm sure had the exact same reaction. I don't have children, and I still shed a tear - I could never IMAGINE leaving a child to die alone in a hospital. Thank you for being vulnerable with us and still handling it with grace.
Story #2 just broke my heart so bad....I feel so bad for that little boy in the story. He lost his sister...and it seems like his parents are checked out if he's "way more independent than he should be". My heart goes out to that boy.
You were my gateway into anti-MLM. I had never been privy to MLMs (likely because I'm an atheist lesbian) . Your kindness and approach really spoke to me. I am a teacher in Russian business schools and have included your videos in lessons. The only MLM I know of here, personally, is Herbalife but after teaching the lesson with your videos I now know that Amway is here as are many others. I feel like I've been able to thwart MLMs in this country, thanks to you. Thank you!😸
I can't believe that woman spent the last days of her daughter's life focused on selling makeup. If my baby girl was in the hospital my job would be the furthest thing from my mind. That little girl deserved so much better.
I cant imagine how hard it would be to sit in a hospital room and watch the last days of my child's life. I can even understand the urge to run away from it because it would be so torturous. What I keep coming back to, however, is that, as a parent, it is MY job to be the strong one and No matter how hard it would be to experience that, it would be tens times as hard for my child to go through that, without their mother. This is UNFATHOMABLE to me. I am so sorry to the rest of the family.
I’m a registered nurse and a patient of our practice called literally today to ask if we’d recommend Optavia and the red alarms started going off in my brain. We had a longggg discussion about it and I’m so glad he decided not to sign on to it. Felt like talking someone off a ledge.
Such a good point! They also used her photo on the big presentation screen with a clown face over the coach’s face! So pathetic. Every one of those leaders participating in that presentation knew about it and allowed it.
Oh fair gaming is much, much, MUCH worse. 😥 Scientology would try to do nothing less than spy on her, try to get her fired, destroy her reputation, frame her for a crime, take her children away, have her evicted, anything that's short of killing her... and they'd only be glad if she did them a favour and killed herself.
The Aunt C story (the last one) really hit me close to home. For my first 5 years my mom was a prolific drug dealer and the description of Aunt C constantly on the phone, making deliveries, etc sounds just like her. Its crazy how these mlm moms neglect their children in such a parallel way.
That second story was so heartbreaking. I lost my grandfather last month, and even then no one ever left his side while he was in hospice. My dad and uncle, his sons, were with him almost constantly. And that was for my grandfather, who was slipping away after 91 years of life with a big, close, loving family. If it had been any one of my cousins' kids, or god forbid one of my nephews, I can't imagine them being left alone for ANY period of time during such an awful, scary time. I've been reeling since hearing it, just... it's so heartbreaking. If there's a hell, there's a special place there for people like that awful, selfish woman.
im shaking typing this because I had a feeling this would somehow make it to reddit or youtube or something for a while now but still in shock. The Mary Kay story is about my husbands ex SIL but i still feel like its my due diligence to set the record straight because for some god forsaken reason this vile woman has been telling this FALSE story for the last 4 years. CHELSIE WAS NEVER AT A RETREAT. SHE WASNT SPLASHING AROUND AND HANGING OUT AT THE BEACH. SHE WENT TO STAY WITH HER SISTER 2 HOURS AWAY BECAUSE JARED WOULD GO OUT EVERY NIGHT TO SLEEP WITH HIS COWORKER, COME HOME AT 2 AM AND SCREAM AND YELL AT HER SAYING HE WISHED IT WAS HER INSTEAD. she was gone for ONE WEEK, took her son because she couldnt trust jared wouldnt stay sober long enough to care for him . she drove the 4 hr round trip every day except once because she literally had to be SEDATED because of how distraught she was. physically incapable of doing ANYTHING. the day reagan passed she was essentially tranquilised again and doesnt remember anything that happened for the next 3 weeks and BARELY remembers the funeral. she had a complete nervous breakdown and was hospitalized for a month and while there jared took their son and moved in with his new coworker girlfriend. i have NOTHING to gain from lying about my brother in law. my husband hasnt spoke to him in 3 years. Last i spoke to chelsie she and her son were living with her sister again and is still unable to work at all. jared hasnt made an effort to make the at most 3 hour trip to see his son since christmas. our family is still very much broken from this. and its part of the reason why i became part of the anti MLM community, because i know that her mary kay upline most DEFINITELY told her to make those posts. she was herself exploited and manipulated. but it was her only source of income. she couldnt just get another job. jared was missing work a lot as well. she had no choice but to sell so she could have the little money she did make for gas and food and whatever else was needed. if not for her parents the funeral wouldnt have been able to be paid for. it makes me sick to my stomach that a family tragedy was exaggerated and embellished by someone who doesnt even know HALF of what my husbands family went through. is it boredom? attention? does it make you feel important and morally superior? go worry about your domestic battery charge, Cori.
She's only reciting what has been written to her. I'm so sorry someone has put malicious information out there regarding your family and the only thing I can say is at least they anonymised it. Thank you for sharing the truth. It doesn't make what happened ok, but it does highlight how exploitive mlm managers are especially when you are in the worst possible situation. I can't imagine how soulless you have to be to tell a grieving mother to "sell" the death of her child and how desperate your situation is that you actually have to do it. I'm so sorry this happened to you and to her. I hope she had time to heal and spend more time with her son. I also commend you for standing up for her. You're a good friend.
I'm not their mom, but I would absolutely take a leave of absence from work if one of my partner's kids was that sick. That MK story is the most heartbreaking things I've ever heard.
I find it hilarious that they offered a deal to clear the debt in exchange for info on how to avoid it, but pulled out because it would mean paying a single IT person a couple of hours overtime to stay in the office late.
@ladyv5655 Perfectly Posh is still around, they just merged with another company. I have a friend that sells it, she posts on Facebook all the time so that's the only way I know.
Hannah is my new favorite UA-camr. The only channel/social media I walk away from feeling better and smarter after watching. Thank you for all your hard work and research ❤️ that being said, my heart is hurting really badly and I have been crying for a good 10 minutes knowing that baby girl was crying for her mama in her final days on earth. Rest in peace Miranda, I will be thinking of your story for the rest of my life and I will be holding my babies close tonight in your honor.
Oh, my goodness. I cried along with you. How completely overtaken by cult thinking do you have to be to turn your back on your dying child!? That was horrifying.
I recently watched the Runkle of the Bailey (sorry if I spelled that wrong) about the little girl who didn't want her goat to be slaughtered for meat. I'm not sure what the rules are in PA. It's just that growing up my dad always told me minors can't anger into contracts. It turns out they can, but they can break the contract at anytime which prevents preditory businesses from going after minors. Except apparently the MLM in Story 3. From my perspective, they had it coming. Don't prey on litteral children and you won't lose $2,500. And I'm so impressed with her skills to come up with that number. And seriously F--- the MLM and their scare tactics.
Story 2: i completely relate to Hannah saying it doesnt feel real, but i know it is. I am utterly DISGUSTED with this woman. Just how can someone be so cruel to their dying child. It completely breaks my heart and hurts my soul..
I don’t think there was a father because the story refers to the man as the woman’s boyfriend. He could be the father but I feel like he would’ve been referred to as the father.
I can't even leave my daughter's side when she's crying in bed with a minor cold or a bruise. I cannot fathom that level of straight up abandonment. Even if the Mother left because she couldn't cope, it's our job as parents to put our children's feelings above our own. I'd be a sobbing emotional mess if my daughter got sick like that, I wouldn't handle it well at all, but I'd be there for her every single step of the way, through all of it.
I've watched so many of your videos, and I've never commented but the story about the mother with the baby literally just hurt me so much. I can't even believe it's a real story. ❤
The Perfectly Posh story is amazing! The fact they wouldn't let the Rep properly show them how she was able to manipulate their site shows one of two things, 1. They were too stupid to understand, which explains why the glitch existed in the first place Or 2. They didn't care how it was done. They just wanted to entrap her so they could prosecute her. That was their ultimate goal
The whole basis for MLMs is that they work by having people make money primarily by recruiting others under them and not by selling products. There is a lot of pressure to recruit family and friends.
I hate "before and after" photos so much. It just feels like people are shaming their past selves, and if they ever gain the weight back, they're just going to abuse themselves over it. Like, would you really show a picture of any other overweight person and say the things about them that you've said about your "before" photos? If not, maybe ditch the habit. You are you at every size. Love yourself. Be kind.
I have 2 sons and have worked from home for about 8 years (before everyone else was!). I made it through their toddler years and they are now in elementary school. Trust me when I say you are EXACTLY right - working from home is HARD, and I would honestly prefer to have a place to go, even if only part time! It's really a struggle when your office is right there for so many reasons. You're smart to get a nice routine or schedule going now!
Story #2. I CANNOT. I am broken by the ... ... ... WTH? My kids are GROWN and I would do ANYTHING I had to do to be right bedside them if they needed me. I would burn down the world for them. (ok, not literally, probably) I would spend my last dollar to get to them, sell an organ.... walk out of my job if they wouldn't give me the time off.... they are my kids. Now I'm crying. omg what is wrong with this woman????
Hannah, thank you for sharing this. Your tears are joined by ours. I’m so sorry for that little boy and your correspondent. This was heartbreaking but I’m glad we heard how vile these ML!s can be.
I cannot imagine being so detached from reality, so consumed with maintaining your social status, financial status and outward appearance that you would miss the precious final moments of your child's life. There isn't much in this world more disgusting than that. I hope her son is able to get support from loved ones and mental health professionals because he has to have been living in trauma for so long because of this.
As someone with transplant kiddos, who was told my child wouldnt survive x time frame, i just cant put into words all the emotions that story made me feel. I bawled. My kiddo thats listed for transplant came and gave me a hug. That was hard to hear. I know grief is wild. And i get the wanting to escape the pain you know youre about to feel. But idk how you dont put the childs needs first.
Hannah, you are such a good, sweet, genuine person. I’m sorry that you cried, but it was genuinely so human and beautiful. Thank you for sharing that story, it made me upset too but more people need to be aware of how these evil companies can inspire people to do awful things such as that. 💗stay strong, hugs
21:31 girl you heald it in so so much better than I did.😢 I have a 13 and 5 yr old.. to look back on your wedding and realize you involved a mlm.. this is a whole new level... I have no words
Sending you hugs Hannah. I can only imagine how confronting that second story must have been for you to even process as a new mother yourself. Please requisition all the hugs and comfort you need from the people around you.
If my child was in the hospital for ANYTHING, even something minor and curable, I would struggle with leaving their side for even a few minutes. How could any parent leave their dying child for DAYS?
I really appreciate your candidness on taking care of children while being a youtube content creator. My boys are adults but now I watch there children (3 grandbabies in total). Two days of the week I have all three of them while 2-3 other days of the week I only have one. The days I have all three of them are work days for me so trying to find the balance of still doing my job and giving them the necessary attention can be challenging. Thinking back to how fast my boys went from infants to being out on their own and married, I am reminded at how important this time is with these precious ones so have been trying to reorganize my days through the week to be able to prioritize my time with them over time editing and answering questions.
Wow, that one story. I feel like she must have been in deep denial about the situation and that was the only way to cope. It will be devastating one day if she's ever able to get out of the MLM.
I can understand how you could be experiencing some compassion fatigue or reaction fatigue (I just made that one up). But I’m health care after seeing over 1,000 sick people, be essentially punished for going and beyond and the thanklessness of it it’s easy to get exhausted with having compassion. It’s possible for all of us. But I appreciate you always giving us your real and honest self. Your efforts don’t go unnoticed and we appreciate it bcz you’re almost like a trustworthy online friend.
Story 2: it’s ok to cry Hannah because it’s an upsetting story. This shows how the cult is overpowering. This is the only reason I can see for having the hun putting the MLM before her child. It’s not a good reason, but it’s the only one I can see.
That perfectly posh story was so gratifying and so needed after the story that came before this story! Ever since I had kids I've been very sensitive about stories where kids are being exploited abused neglected or anything but loved and cared for! It wrecked me too!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭.
I’m not religious but that Mary Kay hun makes me want to believe in a bad place.that must have been such a hard story for a new mom to read, thank you Hannah. I think that story proves how important what your doing is. MLMs bring out the worst in people 😞
She is the bad place and cult religions protect enable and create this behavior. Just look at the 8 Passengers case. They didn’t do that for their Satan or their fellow man. They did it for their god.
There is a bad place for her if she's not Saved. God did not intend on parents treating the innocent this way. Her day will come. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother
Focusing on your voice instead of my anxiety rn ❤ Found your channel a few weeks ago and binged all your mlm videos. You're so sweet and calming while also being educational
The only thing that came to my mind during story 2 was: or this mom was delusional or she is a narcisist. I don't have a child and wouldnt abandon ANY loved one on the last days
I loveee how almost every story is well narrated like we get the what why when where who and how, i believe that's mostly because the event actually happened to them. I love listening to this while doing chores, keep going hannah!
Oh wow, this was heavy. I really hope that this MLM hun was running off to events and acting in that way because she didn't know what else to do and was being horribly affected by grief, I just can't imagine why on earth else a mother would act like that when their own daughter is in that heart-breaking situation
I don't understand how the boyfriend of that mary kay lady didn't dump her IMMEDIATELY. He deserves so much better. That's just..... There are no words. No words.
The only thing I can think of is the older child might not be his, in which case leaving the mother would mean leaving a child alone with a parent he knows is not providing care, as legally he would have no rights. He wouldn't be the first boy/girlfriend I know to stay with a bad partner for the sake of a child they can't take with them because they aren't the parent
I think he's not confident to be a single parent for the eldest son. It seems like he's the only stable source of income in the family. I hope at least he use condoms and does not have another child with the monster.
There was a family member of the husband in here debunking the story. Apparently she didn't go on a mk retreat she was at her sister's cos the husband was cheating and she was really unwell. She was pressured to sell her child's death, but it's because it was her only source of income. Husband moved in with girlfriend. Son lives with mother
@@nixi7688absolutely. MLMs are often compared to cults, and abusive relationships are often called a "cult of two". Even listening to the version of events described in the letter, the MK woman's behaviour absolutely sounds like the behaviour of someone brainwashed by a cult/abuser to always prioritise the cult/abuser over everyone else - which is why so much posting about the daughter would have happened due to pressure from her upline. I've spent a lot of time in communities for abuse victims and my first thought was that her behaviour was similar to the warped decision making that occurs as a result of years of abuse. Cults are abusive, MLMs are abusive and the entire situation just sounds incredibly sad all around. Even if the letter was true I definitely didn't feel it was as black and white as she was a completely terrible mother, and this other report of the cheating and drunk partner and the MK rep really struggling (and not going to the retreat at all) makes it all even sadder. These "businesses" prey on people they can manipulate, just as abusive partners do. It's easy for others to say from afar "I wouldn't do that" or "how could she behave like that", but these environments literally change people's brain chemistry to impair problem solving and decision making and work much more in instinctive fight/flight/freeze/fawn. Everything about that story is so awful. I hope she got away from the MLM, as well as the cheating partner.
One thing many people who work from home don’t think about us that you can (perhaps should?) still engage childcare while you’re working. Wether it’s an occasional babysitter, a nanny or daycare - where you work doesn’t mean you have to try to be full-time caregiver and full-time worker without help.
I think we’re going to see a lot more Huns getting exposed by their growing children one day, whether it’s being abandoned in the hospital or just getting snapped at because mom is busy on her phone making sales. We saw a perfect example not too long ago-miss Hailey the Beachbody Hun with her little son. He was not even a year old and she slapped his arm & screamed at him during her livestream because he kept digging into a houseplant. Get off live and set up a sensory table for him. Be a MOTHER before a HUN. I firmly believe this won’t be the last time.
I think much of the attention seeking from 30s and unders IS because of that like is a business attitude---I thought my mom lived at the airport, to the point where I'm still familiar with the layout and features. So imagine a couple generations of it.
I worked as a realtor for five years, and I really began to resent working 24/7, so I get what you’re saying. Eventually I decided it wasn’t for me, the constant running after business or dealing with clients. Working normal hours and having off time is definitely mulch less stressful.
Attention optavia huns: obviously the catchier bullying phrase would be "if your waistline is growing, your business is slowing." Get it together.
Thank you! I, too, desperately wanted this to rhyme. 😆
I was about to comment the same thing! 😂
So much better! Hahaha
I was incredibly disappointed when it wasnt “your business is slowing”
Yes! Everyone knows that, if it rhymes, it MUST be true!
Being on a vacation while your child is in a hospital, dying and begging for you, is one of the worst things someone can do. It's one of those black and white things. If you have the heart (or lack of it) to do that to your own child, you are irredeemable imo. People go to huge lenghts for the health of their pets, and there are "parents" who would do this. Poor girl :(
Could she have been in really severe denial?
@@amilasrsly Even if she was, a child's well being goes over the parent's imo. Parents should take care of themselves, but if your kid is literally dying, there aren't really things more important than that.
@@Mila28.06 Of course, but I could see a person panic-denying facts and just not acknowledging them at all. It could have been something other than just callousness, is what I’m saying. People do lose their wits over something so horrific as horrible illness or death of a child.
Right ? I was horrified listening to this story. And I'm not even sure I want a child one day, so I couldn't really relate (I didn't cry), but damn. She clearly abandoned her dying child and her mourning family to go chill on a beach, wtf is wrong with her
I really hope she doesn't have any other children and the husband leaves her, this is one of the most disturbing mlm stories that I have read, I don't understand it. I really hope it was some weird denial and she is not this evil but still she wasn't there for her daughter, I hope that haunts her.
What broke me was that little girl crying for her mom and not understand why she wasn’t there. Then her upline ENCOURAGED her to share the struggle knowing that child was dying….if anyone is still confused as to why I can’t stomach MLMs they are getting shown this story.
And also the up line already pushing her to continue her sales just 1 week after her child passed away 🤦 & even worse was that she did
The brain washing is real. Literal cults. There’s another c word for the upline and their uplines upline but I think it would get removed if I used it.
@@verityv5284 it’s just gross I couldn’t believe what I was hearing 💔
That's horrifying
I'm grown, and a few years ago I ended up in the hospital with sepsis. The doctor told that I wasn't going to make it, and to call my family in. My mother didn't even bother to pick up the phone and call me, much less come by the hospital or ask if I needed anything.
I still cannot wrap my head around the fact that women like that exist. It's sad.
I was a corporate lawyer when my son was born with a heart defect and had to have surgery at 8 days old. All I received from my firm was full support and time to spend with my son. And lawyers are not even human!!! This lady is a demon.
Her upline is pretty evil that they expected her to be at the retreat. They should have insisted that she go and be with her child.
@@ladyv5655to the huns, nothing is more important than the scheme sadly
man I really needed the laugh I had at, "And lawyers are not even human!!!" thanks for that lol
SHE WAS NOT AT A RETREAT SHE WAS AT HER SISTERS HOME TO GET AWAY FROM ABUSE. SHE TOOK HER SON.
@@Kandibear89 , sure, Jan.
Story #2 was absolutely horrifying and enraging. My daughter died last year after a terrible accident. She lingered for three weeks before finally passing. I can't think of ANYTHING that would have made me leave her there alone. There was NOTHING more important than being by her side. This woman is evil.
I'm so sorry for your loss. 💞
I'm deeply sorry for your loss.
Sending you so much love ❤
I’m deeply sorry for your lost. I wish you that you find the appropriate help to allow to deal with that chagrin.
I am so so so incredibly sorry for your loss.
If you lose “friends” for speaking out when you and others are wronged by a company, that was not a friendship, that was a situationship.
No they were just coworker, plain and simple.
They may be coworkers but mlms people want you to think they're more than that to have you under them.
Yes, purely transactional.
Please don't apologize for showing your humanity through your tears. It's such a nice contrast to the people in these stories. It only shows how big your heart is, for people you'll never even meet.
😒🙄 I wonder how long she had to pose in order to get a good shot of her "tears" to make for the thumbnail.
Girl, you don't even know if these stories are actually true
@@yeetnama9094why are You so negative
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Some people don't like feeling emotionally vulnerable in front of strangers
@@yeetnama9094I have to agree with you that the thumbnail is clickbaity but I don’t think it’s fair to say that she “posed crying” a bunch of times to get the right shot for the thumbnail. Maybe some influencers do that but did she do it? Probably not. But for real, I avoided watching this video for a while because I felt like the thumbnail was pure clickbait
The 3rd story is absolutely the most iconic girlboss move. Scamming a scam is truly the way to go
I was smiling the whole time. That was exactly what we needed after that brutal second story. I loved how she gave the scammers a taste of their own medicine!
The first thing I thought, was good luck suing a minor and having a lax parental authorisation system.
''girlboss'' has negative connotations these days
@@phishcatt No it doesn't.
@@AgentCathyIt really does, at least in millennial and gen z circles.
That Mary Kay story is possibly the worst thing i've ever heard. Those poor children. Not only her daughter crying and begging for her while dying, but her other kid who watched his mother abandon them for a vacation, lie about and use the situation, and then essentially abandon him again while he's grieving. He has to live with that for the rest of his life.
Where was Zeke when we needed him? OMG. That story was an atrocity. Bless that little girl. And you were right to swear. 100% appropriate here
Yes, I am sure Zeke would have had plenty to say about that dreadful mother.
Zeke would've thrown paws, claws at the ready with the rest of us
Zeke Yeager?
If a "friend" trashes you when you leave your job, then they were never your friend. This seems to be all too common in MLM culture; act friendly when you're in it and then drop you when you move on.
I am not a parent, but I’m a hospice social worker who worked on pediatrics for a couple years. I cannot imagine any one of those parents leaving their child for work or spending time away that they absolutely didn’t have to. I could only do it for a couple years because it just broke my heart and I went back to working with adults. These parents held on to every moment they could because they knew their time was limited. May Miranda rest in paradise.
Thank you for acknowledging that some parents have to work. A makeup retreat while a child is dying, no. Having to earn a living over a long period of time is a different story.
@@michelleprieur1 I agree. Parents who work should not be shamed.
thank you for the difficult and underrecognized job you do, and you are so right. Some parents are forced to leave for financial reasons or other needs, but I'm not a parent but I'm a big sibling who practically raised some babies, and I could never imagine leaving them when they are super sick unless there was no other option.
Oh Bless you for doing that work...hospice care can be so heartbreaking. With kids in hospice? even more so.
@@LynxieDove yes, thank you. I love the work and it can be difficult. Especially when it was with kids. It was something that I couldn’t do for very long.
That Mary Kay hun story makes me absolutely sick. That was one of my worst experiences with a MLM and now I see why. Those people are just......ugh 😡. That poor baby. My heart just ached hearing how upset she was just wanting her mommy
Never ever admit to a crime no matter what they’re promising. Whether it’s the police or a company you work for, don’t speak with them and just lawyer up.
Amen
As a mom to a young child (9months) I can’t even imagine putting anything above my child any day, let alone if she was sick and in the same condition that Miranda was. I couldn’t help but get emotional while you were reading it and now while writing this comment. If this doesn’t put into perspective the depths that MLM reps will go to get a sale, I don’t know what else does.
I feel that 100%. I have a 9 month old as well, and I can’t imagine not putting him above EVERYTHING, especially if he were sick, let alone if I knew he was going to pass. I just cannot understand how some ppl don’t understand what a blessing it is to even HAVE a child. A blessing that some ppl don’t ever get. SMH. That poor little girl. May she rest in peace. 😓
Honestly, I'm extremely amused by the 17-year-old out-scamming the scammers. Truly incredible.
I loved that one 😂
I don't know if you're aware, but sadly Perfectly Posh relaunched in 2024 🤦🏼♀️
The more I watch these videos about MLM's in general, the more I'm glad I didn't fall for someones invite to Arbonne.
Yeah, I'm glad my mom didn't listen to me when I tried to convince her to accept a friend's invitation to Mary Kay. I was fourteen and didn't know it was an MLM/scam. I heard 'make up discount' and just said 'do it'.
Same. I had a roommate try to talk me in to Avon.
My mom sold Avon when I was a kid and I had good memories about going through the catalogs and getting their products. Because of that, I was very tempted.
My boyfriend (now my husband) talked me out of it. I’m really bad at finances and math in general (I later learned I have dyscalculia) and he broke down my income and bills and showed me how I just didn’t have enough money to buy in to an MLM.
He was absolutely right (I was flat broke in college) so I declined signing up.
Thankfully, my roommate was cool about it.
You had a lucky escape.
yeap!!! im glad i never fell for any mlm!!
That MK rep will oneday come to regret not being there with her precious daughter when she passed and not being there those precious few hours.
Oh Gawd. I'm not a mother, but I'm in tears for that poor little girl. The insane cruelty of that "mother" leaves me traumatized. Your tears emphasizs your humanity. 😢🤬
I lost two little girls who I loved more than life, and would give ANYTHING to just have one more day. Its been six months and im still not even functioning. Story #2 is unfathomable, truly.
I’m so sorry. There are no words except I’m praying for you ❤
I’m so sorry. I will be praying for you. I hope in time you will find peace. John 3:16 John 14:27
I am so sorry to hear this. Praying for you.
I am an atheist, but appreciate the sentiment ...I guess.
@@Elizabeth-n3v2u we can still pray for you if you are an atheist. You can be whatever you want to be. ❤️
That story about the 17 year old scamming the scammers is pure GOLD. She may have even helped bankrupt the company! HAHAHAHA
Unfortunately, perfectly posh was bought out and is now relaunching 🤦🏾♀️ correction: Has now relaunched as of April 2024
I have never been okay with theft, but this... was different. It was sort of karmic. (Not saying we should all steal!)
The story of the 16 year old sneakily signing up for Perfectly Posh and then the company goes under...I hope she played a part in taking them down 😂. Stealing might not be right, but I say everything's fair when it comes to taking from an MLM, given the amount of money and time and mental health they're going to steal from others.
And I also say the company kind of brought it on themselves by making their entire business model a scam AND on top of it being dumb enough to not have IT people available at 7 PM when the girl made it clear that's when the glitch happened. Like, really. That stupidity is why the girl was able to do this in the first place. It's as stupid as leaving your front door unlocked when you go on vacation and being all shocked pikachu face if you get home to find your entire house robbed. And I say vacation because this isn't like momentarily forgetting to unlock the door on an errand and coming right back. (in which a robber would still have to stake out the place for days hoping for an opportunity and/or act on impulse). And this isn't a personal boundary either (where anyone should know better than to barge in regardless of how exposed said person might be because people aren't property and can always make clear whether there's an actual invitation or not). This is more like putting up a bigass sign saying "Please rob me now. My door is open".
Yeah im so sorry but i dont feel bad the scam company lost money, serves them right. But I bet it was super scary for op.
Also what kind of tech support hears that an exploit like that could be happening, and happening at a specific time and doesn't do the due diligence of trying the exploit at that time
Except for the curse which stealing brings upon your life.
Currently snuggled up on the couch with my 3 year old after listening to that second story. He's been sick for like a week and feels better today, so he's been giving me big hugs and kisses. I'm so grateful that I got out of my MLM when he was still a small infant. My heart is broken for the little girl in that story. I can't even fathom abandoning my child when he needs me most.
As an overprotective mom of a toddler with autism, I can only imagine the harmful rhetoric I would still be listening to and sharing about essential oils if it weren't for your videos Hannah. Thank you for all that you do 💖
That poor baby. You're right, THAT'S a HORROR story. I was thinking, maybe she couldn't take the pain...but as you probably already know, being a mother literally means that your priorities have to take a back seat because your child needs something. Try to take this story as a blessing for every time you're feeling overwhelmed by motherhood. My 37 year old daughter is visiting me today, and I can't wait to hug her. Yeah, being a mother is a lifelong thing.
Don’t apologize for real emotions; that my friend is why we love you and your content! ❤
Oh Hannah. Crying with you. You are absolutely right, there is no excuse at all. Thank you for doing this hard work.
"I'm not endorsing this kind of thing."
I am. Lol
Good on her.
How much sympathy do I have for a company that enriches itself by preying on vulnerable people and selling them lies? 0️⃣
You have a undeniable passion for this community and I absolutely love you for it. In depth descriptions, debunking and these…. our stories. I love your voice, I love and hate the stories but THIS THUMBNAIL PICTURE is as raw as it gets. We all feel them, but I think you Hannah feel that emotion most. Thank you for all you do. Cry all you need. We’ll cry together ❤
My advice for anyone wit friends/family who push you to buy their mlm stuff for a good cause like medical bills; if you genuinely want to help, just ask them how much commission they would make on a sale, usually its somewhere around $25%, then instead of buying an overpriced cream or oil for $40, just give then the $10 they'd make off it. Saves you money, still helps them the same amount, and stops you from supporting a terrible business.
My son was hospitalized with RSV in January of this year when he was only 4 months old. He had to be placed on oxygen because he couldn't get enough air on his own. One night, my husband sent me home so I could get some sleep and he stayed with our baby. I sobbed the entire drive home and I cried myself to sleep when I got there because I was terrified that he would need me and I wasn't there. The idea that a mother could leave her dying child to beg for her in the hospital is unconscionable.
I was on MediFast back in college which is what Optavia is now. After almost 6 months, I ended up in the hospital and nearly died. Optivia screwed up my metabolism, damaged my organs. Please, if you know of anyone on this diet tell them to RUN.
You know, sometimes you make the observation that years later someone will realize they gave up their wedding day or birth of their child to shill MLM product, but this woman let her child cry for her mother as she was dying. There's no coming back from that.
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I truly think that the mom with the dying daughter is sociopathic. There really isn’t any other explanation that I can think of. What a heartbreaking story. Sending all moms impacted by that story a huge hug ❤❤❤
I was leaning towards narcissistic instead of sociopathic, not that it's any better. Both lack empathy, so it's mostly a moot point, but the goals and motivations are different. She's horrible either way.
Exactly!!
Sadly, a lot of narcissists become parents because they see children as means to benefit themselves. My mom married the most moneyed man she could have, disregarded the fact that the man (my dad) had already married with two kids. She also had two children (my sister and I) with the man to ensure her children would take care of her in her old age. When my dad left her to marry another woman (duh🙄), she became abusive towards me, UNTIL I could work and earned some money (which she took without my consent). My personal experience makes me assume the worst when I see people monetize their children on social media. I'm also very suspicious towards people who adopt a lot of children.
Horrible!!!! But I always did sense a cult vibe from any mlm company. Could never point my finger on it and my friends just laughed at me for comparing mlm companies to cults
Yeah not how that works. It also pawns off the horror of cult control onto mentally ill people.
My sister tried to be a MK consultant. Some of the meetings were a few hours away from her. She would get yelled at for not attending. Her last straw was when she attended a local workshop and I was her guest. As I wasn’t “model material”, I was treated as if I was a toddler (I was in my 20s at the time) and of absolutely no value. She quit after that.
She’s lucky she couldn’t prove how she knowingly stole. Did she have it in writing that they wouldn’t press any charges? They were screen and audio recording her to admit how she knowingly stole from the company she worked for. Don’t do the work for a company to charge you, that can genuinely affect your future career. Make them prove it wasn’t an innocent accident due to a company’s technical error
Exactly…. She could have supplied the bank statements with an “oh my gosh, 17 year old me wasn’t balancing my checkbook, I had no idea!”
18:30 girl... don't even feel bad about crying. I don't have kids, and the rage and heartbreak I feel for Miranda is intense. I feel bad for Cody, too. God forbid he gets sick
I am not a mother and never will be, but that second story filled me with rage towards that mother and made my heart weep for that dying child crying for her mother. Now I ache for her surviving brother because it sounds like neither of his parents are interested in him.
I'm so upset about story #2. I don't understand how people in MLMs can lose their empathy and common sense like this, this is why they're cults. 😢
The MK story broke my heart. I have a 3.5 yr old little boy and I can’t imagine him crying in the hospital for me when he’s dying. I’m gonna go and give him extra hugs and kisses.
I'm going to be up at night thinking about story #2 right there with you! Poor Miranda, and poor little boy who has pretty much been abandoned by his parents as he grieves his sister. And on a side note - Miranda would have had Medicaid and no medical bills! Always double check the facts when someone asks for pity purchases for "medical bills".
My daughter has a rare genetic condition where most with severe forms of it die by age 4. She is turning 4 this month. Yet we still haven't been able to receive medicaid here in Ohio. We are trying to fight for a waiver. Some states are super strict with medicaid. A social worker did tell us that if you are in the hospital for more than 30 days, you can get it (she had medicaid for only a month or two after being in the nicu for over 7 weeks after birth before they kicked her off for income). I would certainly hope this child had medicaid being she was literally on her deathbed, but sometimes the government does fail these children and their parents, so I would do research on the person in questions state laws and health conern before thinking they are lying. No confrontation at all, just informing.😊 Now if we moved 40 mins east into PA, she would have had medicaid since birth. I wish more states were like that. We are struggling to get my daughter the things she needs, and it is not fair to her at all! The Healthcare system is failing 😢
It’s sick that any state would restrict health insurance this way. I’m sorry that’s something you have to deal with, especially now. I hope you’re able to get it asap. Situations like yours are why I’m a huge advocate for some kind of universal healthcare. No one should be financially ruined or have to put off/refuse care for becoming sick.
The Mary Kay hun who went on a retreat when her critically ill daughter was dying is an utterly despicable person. Everything she did was so vile. OMG I can't believe it's real. I am so disgusted.
Unfortunately the more cult critical content u consume the more it’s driven home how horrifically children are treated in these spaces.
Thats pure wickedness
I know right....I did a quick goodgle and unfortunately I did find her online...obviously I don't know if she went to the beach but I did find the family...and that beautiful baby girl my heart breaks for her if her lasts days ended like the story says😢
@@nicolel4439 did you read her ex Sils post above. Maybe not as horrible as they made her out to be. I hope.
As someone working in class action - the MLM let a minor doing something without parent permission that legally required parent permission. And had no way of verifying parent permission, most states require in person parent signatures or must contact the parent to verbally verify, and in some states you must have a work permit as a minor that requires a parent under specific ages. It wouldn't just be hard for the MLM to fight, they could be countersued for a lot of money and that countersuit could've opened a floodgate with the state for exploitations of minors which would've ruined not just the company, but possibly the founders and reps if the company was not an LLC.
I always think of it as a club that only lets in 10% of the people in the line outside. The entire goal is to get 90% of the line behind you so you can get inside. Then once inside you realize only the line continues to the VIP section.
Hannah, you handled the Mary Kay hun story very well. Anyone with a heart I'm sure had the exact same reaction. I don't have children, and I still shed a tear - I could never IMAGINE leaving a child to die alone in a hospital. Thank you for being vulnerable with us and still handling it with grace.
Story #2 just broke my heart so bad....I feel so bad for that little boy in the story. He lost his sister...and it seems like his parents are checked out if he's "way more independent than he should be". My heart goes out to that boy.
Yeah sounds like parents who don't love their kids.
You were my gateway into anti-MLM. I had never been privy to MLMs (likely because I'm an atheist lesbian) . Your kindness and approach really spoke to me. I am a teacher in Russian business schools and have included your videos in lessons. The only MLM I know of here, personally, is Herbalife but after teaching the lesson with your videos I now know that Amway is here as are many others. I feel like I've been able to thwart MLMs in this country, thanks to you. Thank you!😸
Yeah, I only see MLM stuff from my in-laws and occasionally an old HS friend. It’s great to not be constantly bombarded.
I can't believe that woman spent the last days of her daughter's life focused on selling makeup. If my baby girl was in the hospital my job would be the furthest thing from my mind. That little girl deserved so much better.
Most jobs would have you on FMLA and say go we'll be okay
As soon as you broke down, I broke down! That horror story was beyond vile and disgusting! Your empathy for others is very touching.
I cant imagine how hard it would be to sit in a hospital room and watch the last days of my child's life. I can even understand the urge to run away from it because it would be so torturous. What I keep coming back to, however, is that, as a parent, it is MY job to be the strong one and No matter how hard it would be to experience that, it would be tens times as hard for my child to go through that, without their mother. This is UNFATHOMABLE to me. I am so sorry to the rest of the family.
I’m a registered nurse and a patient of our practice called literally today to ask if we’d recommend Optavia and the red alarms started going off in my brain. We had a longggg discussion about it and I’m so glad he decided not to sign on to it. Felt like talking someone off a ledge.
The retribution visited on the ex-Optivia coach sounds like the "fair gaming" Scientology employs. A cult is a cult, I guess.
Such a good point! They also used her photo on the big presentation screen with a clown face over the coach’s face! So pathetic. Every one of those leaders participating in that presentation knew about it and allowed it.
Oh fair gaming is much, much, MUCH worse. 😥 Scientology would try to do nothing less than spy on her, try to get her fired, destroy her reputation, frame her for a crime, take her children away, have her evicted, anything that's short of killing her... and they'd only be glad if she did them a favour and killed herself.
The Aunt C story (the last one) really hit me close to home. For my first 5 years my mom was a prolific drug dealer and the description of Aunt C constantly on the phone, making deliveries, etc sounds just like her. Its crazy how these mlm moms neglect their children in such a parallel way.
Uh oh. Better get my tissues ready! If Hannah cries, I cry!
Story #4 w/scentsy The hun becoming a foster parent after hearing about how she neglected her bio kid is very disturbing to me.
That second story was so heartbreaking. I lost my grandfather last month, and even then no one ever left his side while he was in hospice. My dad and uncle, his sons, were with him almost constantly. And that was for my grandfather, who was slipping away after 91 years of life with a big, close, loving family. If it had been any one of my cousins' kids, or god forbid one of my nephews, I can't imagine them being left alone for ANY period of time during such an awful, scary time. I've been reeling since hearing it, just... it's so heartbreaking. If there's a hell, there's a special place there for people like that awful, selfish woman.
im shaking typing this because I had a feeling this would somehow make it to reddit or youtube or something for a while now but still in shock. The Mary Kay story is about my husbands ex SIL but i still feel like its my due diligence to set the record straight because for some god forsaken reason this vile woman has been telling this FALSE story for the last 4 years. CHELSIE WAS NEVER AT A RETREAT. SHE WASNT SPLASHING AROUND AND HANGING OUT AT THE BEACH. SHE WENT TO STAY WITH HER SISTER 2 HOURS AWAY BECAUSE JARED WOULD GO OUT EVERY NIGHT TO SLEEP WITH HIS COWORKER, COME HOME AT 2 AM AND SCREAM AND YELL AT HER SAYING HE WISHED IT WAS HER INSTEAD. she was gone for ONE WEEK, took her son because she couldnt trust jared wouldnt stay sober long enough to care for him . she drove the 4 hr round trip every day except once because she literally had to be SEDATED because of how distraught she was. physically incapable of doing ANYTHING. the day reagan passed she was essentially tranquilised again and doesnt remember anything that happened for the next 3 weeks and BARELY remembers the funeral. she had a complete nervous breakdown and was hospitalized for a month and while there jared took their son and moved in with his new coworker girlfriend. i have NOTHING to gain from lying about my brother in law. my husband hasnt spoke to him in 3 years. Last i spoke to chelsie she and her son were living with her sister again and is still unable to work at all. jared hasnt made an effort to make the at most 3 hour trip to see his son since christmas. our family is still very much broken from this. and its part of the reason why i became part of the anti MLM community, because i know that her mary kay upline most DEFINITELY told her to make those posts. she was herself exploited and manipulated. but it was her only source of income. she couldnt just get another job. jared was missing work a lot as well. she had no choice but to sell so she could have the little money she did make for gas and food and whatever else was needed. if not for her parents the funeral wouldnt have been able to be paid for. it makes me sick to my stomach that a family tragedy was exaggerated and embellished by someone who doesnt even know HALF of what my husbands family went through. is it boredom? attention? does it make you feel important and morally superior? go worry about your domestic battery charge, Cori.
Horrible!! Thank you for sharing what sounds like the truth.
She's only reciting what has been written to her. I'm so sorry someone has put malicious information out there regarding your family and the only thing I can say is at least they anonymised it. Thank you for sharing the truth. It doesn't make what happened ok, but it does highlight how exploitive mlm managers are especially when you are in the worst possible situation. I can't imagine how soulless you have to be to tell a grieving mother to "sell" the death of her child and how desperate your situation is that you actually have to do it. I'm so sorry this happened to you and to her. I hope she had time to heal and spend more time with her son. I also commend you for standing up for her. You're a good friend.
I think you should also send an email to Hannah with corrections. I don’t think she sees all the comments as there are so many.
That makes more sense
Omg....this is for a " comment " reply not a tutorial reply.....no one likes a personal essay as chit chat....edit to a get your point across comment.
I'm not their mom, but I would absolutely take a leave of absence from work if one of my partner's kids was that sick. That MK story is the most heartbreaking things I've ever heard.
Story 3. Perfectly Posh must have figured out they had been effed by a minor so they had no choice but to walk away.
It is sweet that the scammers became the scammed. And the cherry on top is that Perfectly Posh is history now.
IKR? Talk about embarrassing! And it's delicious to think to about.
I find it hilarious that they offered a deal to clear the debt in exchange for info on how to avoid it, but pulled out because it would mean paying a single IT person a couple of hours overtime to stay in the office late.
@ladyv5655 Perfectly Posh is still around, they just merged with another company. I have a friend that sells it, she posts on Facebook all the time so that's the only way I know.
Though shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
Defamation cases should be off the charts with MLMs and social media
Hannah is my new favorite UA-camr. The only channel/social media I walk away from feeling better and smarter after watching. Thank you for all your hard work and research ❤️ that being said, my heart is hurting really badly and I have been crying for a good 10 minutes knowing that baby girl was crying for her mama in her final days on earth. Rest in peace Miranda, I will be thinking of your story for the rest of my life and I will be holding my babies close tonight in your honor.
Oh, my goodness. I cried along with you. How completely overtaken by cult thinking do you have to be to turn your back on your dying child!? That was horrifying.
I recently watched the Runkle of the Bailey (sorry if I spelled that wrong) about the little girl who didn't want her goat to be slaughtered for meat.
I'm not sure what the rules are in PA. It's just that growing up my dad always told me minors can't anger into contracts. It turns out they can, but they can break the contract at anytime which prevents preditory businesses from going after minors.
Except apparently the MLM in Story 3. From my perspective, they had it coming. Don't prey on litteral children and you won't lose $2,500.
And I'm so impressed with her skills to come up with that number.
And seriously F--- the MLM and their scare tactics.
Story 2: i completely relate to Hannah saying it doesnt feel real, but i know it is. I am utterly DISGUSTED with this woman. Just how can someone be so cruel to their dying child. It completely breaks my heart and hurts my soul..
My heart breaks for that little girl, her brother and their father. I can’t find words to describe what I think about the “mom”.
I don’t think there was a father because the story refers to the man as the woman’s boyfriend. He could be the father but I feel like he would’ve been referred to as the father.
I can't even leave my daughter's side when she's crying in bed with a minor cold or a bruise. I cannot fathom that level of straight up abandonment. Even if the Mother left because she couldn't cope, it's our job as parents to put our children's feelings above our own. I'd be a sobbing emotional mess if my daughter got sick like that, I wouldn't handle it well at all, but I'd be there for her every single step of the way, through all of it.
I've watched so many of your videos, and I've never commented but the story about the mother with the baby literally just hurt me so much. I can't even believe it's a real story. ❤
The Perfectly Posh story is amazing!
The fact they wouldn't let the Rep properly show them how she was able to manipulate their site shows one of two things,
1. They were too stupid to understand, which explains why the glitch existed in the first place
Or
2. They didn't care how it was done. They just wanted to entrap her so they could prosecute her. That was their ultimate goal
Or both.
The whole basis for MLMs is that they work by having people make money primarily by recruiting others under them and not by selling products. There is a lot of pressure to recruit family and friends.
I hate "before and after" photos so much. It just feels like people are shaming their past selves, and if they ever gain the weight back, they're just going to abuse themselves over it. Like, would you really show a picture of any other overweight person and say the things about them that you've said about your "before" photos? If not, maybe ditch the habit. You are you at every size. Love yourself. Be kind.
I have 2 sons and have worked from home for about 8 years (before everyone else was!). I made it through their toddler years and they are now in elementary school. Trust me when I say you are EXACTLY right - working from home is HARD, and I would honestly prefer to have a place to go, even if only part time! It's really a struggle when your office is right there for so many reasons. You're smart to get a nice routine or schedule going now!
Story #2. I CANNOT. I am broken by the ... ... ... WTH? My kids are GROWN and I would do ANYTHING I had to do to be right bedside them if they needed me. I would burn down the world for them. (ok, not literally, probably) I would spend my last dollar to get to them, sell an organ.... walk out of my job if they wouldn't give me the time off.... they are my kids. Now I'm crying. omg what is wrong with this woman????
The tears you cried and will cry for Miranda was healing.
I experienced the same dissociation feeling as you towards the story with "Miranda" because it seemed so surreal... Truly sad.
Thank you so much for your videos
That second story filled me with rage. I hope that the family has some peace at this point.
Hannah, thank you for sharing this. Your tears are joined by ours. I’m so sorry for that little boy and your correspondent. This was heartbreaking but I’m glad we heard how vile these ML!s can be.
I cannot imagine being so detached from reality, so consumed with maintaining your social status, financial status and outward appearance that you would miss the precious final moments of your child's life. There isn't much in this world more disgusting than that. I hope her son is able to get support from loved ones and mental health professionals because he has to have been living in trauma for so long because of this.
As someone with transplant kiddos, who was told my child wouldnt survive x time frame, i just cant put into words all the emotions that story made me feel.
I bawled. My kiddo thats listed for transplant came and gave me a hug. That was hard to hear. I know grief is wild. And i get the wanting to escape the pain you know youre about to feel. But idk how you dont put the childs needs first.
Hannah, you are such a good, sweet, genuine person. I’m sorry that you cried, but it was genuinely so human and beautiful. Thank you for sharing that story, it made me upset too but more people need to be aware of how these evil companies can inspire people to do awful things such as that. 💗stay strong, hugs
21:31 girl you heald it in so so much better than I did.😢 I have a 13 and 5 yr old.. to look back on your wedding and realize you involved a mlm.. this is a whole new level... I have no words
Oh man, I saw you talk about this on your Instagram. Preparing myself now. These stories sometimes just break my heart
Sending you hugs Hannah. I can only imagine how confronting that second story must have been for you to even process as a new mother yourself. Please requisition all the hugs and comfort you need from the people around you.
If my child was in the hospital for ANYTHING, even something minor and curable, I would struggle with leaving their side for even a few minutes. How could any parent leave their dying child for DAYS?
Some people should not be parents. She is a prime example.
I really appreciate your candidness on taking care of children while being a youtube content creator. My boys are adults but now I watch there children (3 grandbabies in total). Two days of the week I have all three of them while 2-3 other days of the week I only have one. The days I have all three of them are work days for me so trying to find the balance of still doing my job and giving them the necessary attention can be challenging. Thinking back to how fast my boys went from infants to being out on their own and married, I am reminded at how important this time is with these precious ones so have been trying to reorganize my days through the week to be able to prioritize my time with them over time editing and answering questions.
Wow, that one story. I feel like she must have been in deep denial about the situation and that was the only way to cope. It will be devastating one day if she's ever able to get out of the MLM.
I can understand how you could be experiencing some compassion fatigue or reaction fatigue (I just made that one up). But I’m health care after seeing over 1,000 sick people, be essentially punished for going and beyond and the thanklessness of it it’s easy to get exhausted with having compassion. It’s possible for all of us. But I appreciate you always giving us your real and honest self.
Your efforts don’t go unnoticed and we appreciate it bcz you’re almost like a trustworthy online friend.
Story 2: it’s ok to cry Hannah because it’s an upsetting story.
This shows how the cult is overpowering. This is the only reason I can see for having the hun putting the MLM before her child. It’s not a good reason, but it’s the only one I can see.
Exactly my thoughts. Extreme brainwashing
That perfectly posh story was so gratifying and so needed after the story that came before this story! Ever since I had kids I've been very sensitive about stories where kids are being exploited abused neglected or anything but loved and cared for! It wrecked me too!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭.
I’m not religious but that Mary Kay hun makes me want to believe in a bad place.that must have been such a hard story for a new mom to read, thank you Hannah. I think that story proves how important what your doing is. MLMs bring out the worst in people 😞
She is the bad place and cult religions protect enable and create this behavior. Just look at the 8 Passengers case. They didn’t do that for their Satan or their fellow man. They did it for their god.
There is a bad place for her if she's not Saved. God did not intend on parents treating the innocent this way. Her day will come. She doesn't deserve to be called a mother
I can’t imagine leaving a loved one who’s dying. I’d sit with a stranger if needed. What a heartbreaking story. ❤️🩹
Focusing on your voice instead of my anxiety rn ❤ Found your channel a few weeks ago and binged all your mlm videos. You're so sweet and calming while also being educational
The only thing that came to my mind during story 2 was: or this mom was delusional or she is a narcisist. I don't have a child and wouldnt abandon ANY loved one on the last days
What’s worse is she is now a board member for MMIHS and calls herself an advocate while still selling Mary Kay.
@@justinedoner8576 That is horrible!
She's in a cult, so probably a bit of both.
I loveee how almost every story is well narrated like we get the what why when where who and how, i believe that's mostly because the event actually happened to them. I love listening to this while doing chores, keep going hannah!
Oh wow, this was heavy. I really hope that this MLM hun was running off to events and acting in that way because she didn't know what else to do and was being horribly affected by grief, I just can't imagine why on earth else a mother would act like that when their own daughter is in that heart-breaking situation
Story 2 is one of the best arguments for MLMs being commercial cults I’ve seen.
I don't understand how the boyfriend of that mary kay lady didn't dump her IMMEDIATELY. He deserves so much better. That's just..... There are no words. No words.
and the surviving child too. I feel like he gets lost in the narrative, but it sounds like he's being neglected on top of having lost his sister.
The only thing I can think of is the older child might not be his, in which case leaving the mother would mean leaving a child alone with a parent he knows is not providing care, as legally he would have no rights. He wouldn't be the first boy/girlfriend I know to stay with a bad partner for the sake of a child they can't take with them because they aren't the parent
I think he's not confident to be a single parent for the eldest son. It seems like he's the only stable source of income in the family. I hope at least he use condoms and does not have another child with the monster.
There was a family member of the husband in here debunking the story. Apparently she didn't go on a mk retreat she was at her sister's cos the husband was cheating and she was really unwell. She was pressured to sell her child's death, but it's because it was her only source of income. Husband moved in with girlfriend. Son lives with mother
@@nixi7688absolutely. MLMs are often compared to cults, and abusive relationships are often called a "cult of two". Even listening to the version of events described in the letter, the MK woman's behaviour absolutely sounds like the behaviour of someone brainwashed by a cult/abuser to always prioritise the cult/abuser over everyone else - which is why so much posting about the daughter would have happened due to pressure from her upline.
I've spent a lot of time in communities for abuse victims and my first thought was that her behaviour was similar to the warped decision making that occurs as a result of years of abuse. Cults are abusive, MLMs are abusive and the entire situation just sounds incredibly sad all around. Even if the letter was true I definitely didn't feel it was as black and white as she was a completely terrible mother, and this other report of the cheating and drunk partner and the MK rep really struggling (and not going to the retreat at all) makes it all even sadder.
These "businesses" prey on people they can manipulate, just as abusive partners do. It's easy for others to say from afar "I wouldn't do that" or "how could she behave like that", but these environments literally change people's brain chemistry to impair problem solving and decision making and work much more in instinctive fight/flight/freeze/fawn. Everything about that story is so awful. I hope she got away from the MLM, as well as the cheating partner.
One thing many people who work from home don’t think about us that you can (perhaps should?) still engage childcare while you’re working. Wether it’s an occasional babysitter, a nanny or daycare - where you work doesn’t mean you have to try to be full-time caregiver and full-time worker without help.
I think we’re going to see a lot more Huns getting exposed by their growing children one day, whether it’s being abandoned in the hospital or just getting snapped at because mom is busy on her phone making sales. We saw a perfect example not too long ago-miss Hailey the Beachbody Hun with her little son. He was not even a year old and she slapped his arm & screamed at him during her livestream because he kept digging into a houseplant. Get off live and set up a sensory table for him. Be a MOTHER before a HUN. I firmly believe this won’t be the last time.
No!!! Any link? That is vile.
I think much of the attention seeking from 30s and unders IS because of that like is a business attitude---I thought my mom lived at the airport, to the point where I'm still familiar with the layout and features. So imagine a couple generations of it.
I worked as a realtor for five years, and I really began to resent working 24/7, so I get what you’re saying. Eventually I decided it wasn’t for me, the constant running after business or dealing with clients. Working normal hours and having off time is definitely mulch less stressful.
That Optavia story - wow! Good for her for speaking out.
reading that story as a new mom must have been so hard. it is truly despicable the length some people will go to for money
The second story was horrorfying. I really hope that Cody has extended family whom takes care of him, I really feel for him 😢