@@sw6559 and when you have two people and nero helping - but at least he admitted it though, so the video isnt disengenous though the title may be. He helped build a voron doesnt sound as good
This could never been better timed. I am in the middle of sourcing parts, and was doubting if a voron is the right choice. seeing you built one gave me the confidence that I am making the right decsion. can't wait for more VORON action
Great build. I think LDO has changed the Voron market. 3 Years ago I wanted to build a Voron, but at that time no one had really good kits, so most self sourced. I chose a Rat Rig kit, since they had 95%+ of the parts needed. I experienced the same excitement when it first came alive. It is like being in the delivery room for a birth of a child. My two Rat Rigs are a great compliment to my Bambu printers. The Bambu are fast the Rat Rigs are BIG.
I built my V0.1 pre-LDO :) Paid more and had the "joy" of doing all the crimping and cutting and cable management myself. Ok, actually I am a little bit proud of that but if I every by another Voron, it will be an LDO kit.
@@sagichnicht6748 I choose not to get a kit because many parts wont be my choice. Ive wanted a 8mm bed with included neodym magnets, Phaetus Rapido and a VezHextrudort, frame in the color of choice, idlers from powge, higher quality rails. Self sourcing is part from the experience. Printing all those parts takes so much time anyway.
@@REDxFROG Yeah, I tasted blood again and started digging regarding a V2.4. I am on the fance if and what way I should go. Sourcing everything has gotten a lot harder and more expensive from Austria as due to national legislation almost all if not all shops at Aliexpress stopped shipping to Austria, so a lot of direct sources have dried up. Absurdly enough the easiest and most cost effective solution to that is getting a Formbot kit and then buy all those things I want to have something better or different on top of it. I somehow hate the idea of throwing away half the kit though, feels like such a waste. Sourcing eveything myself will cost a lot more than that but maybe is not that much more expensive than an LDO kit.
Joel, full disclosure: I really like Voron and their community so naturally in happy to see you build one. I will say this is one of my favorite videos from you so far and not because you built a Voron but because of the sincere joy we can see from you building something you weren't sure you could approach and succeeding. I'm very happy you got to experience the joy of making and wish you success in the tuning of your new printer. All the best.
I built a V2.4 R2 from an LDO kit at the beginning of the year. I enjoyed the process and quality of the provided parts so much that I've just ordered a V0.2 kit from them as well to replace my Ender 3 as the backup/secondary printer.
That's it... you and Mandic have inspired me to hop on the Voron train. Kit procured... build is happening. Looks sooo awesome. Thank you both for continuing to be such an inspiration in the world of 3D Printing.
Great to see Joel doing a build! I bought the same Voron 2.4 LDO kit from KB3D for here at work. I also opted for the E3D Revo hotend as well. I'm at the hot end assembly part and look forward to getting it done fairly soon. I wish I had a Voron experienced helper like you did! High Five!
My partner and I built one of these (350mm 2.4) last summer. Huge fun doing it as a couple and I’m loving what I can do with the printer. Really fun seeing you do this!
@@supermomandj Well, like many other printers, you will have to check/calibrate e-steps, PID, Input shaping and pressure advance to mention some. Each calibration take a few minutes so its not that bad.
This video couldn’t have came out at a better time. I recently just ordered the same kit and I’m going crazy waiting on delivery. Can’t wait to build it!
MY voron is 97% done hopefully i get finished over the weekend ! I didn't buy kit and prob saved $200 but It taken me 2 months ordering bolts and stuff to get to this point !!! and for first time builder your prob more like 50 + hours and 200 hours of prints , and took longer as wait for the new cam bus from bigtree So can't wait to see it action ! it's still the best printer you can buy !!!
As was said in Robots, "Making the baby is the fun part". All the fiddly work that goes into fine tuning after that first trial is the semi-maddening part, especially when you're treading fresh snow in some cases; when you're the first one to do something and you're constantly going back and forth from tweaking hardware to testing code 50 or 60 times a day. A month or so down the line, you've got everything absolutely perfect and dialed in so it can do its thing relatively unmonitored, you get some trust between you and the hardware, and let baby out into the world for its first overnight print. Next morning, a pile of spaghetti is on the floor, 85% of a model is on the build platform, and there's a geyser of molten plastic coming out of the hot end that took its sweet time cooling, and reality sets in that it's all got to come apart again. Ugh, I don't miss those days...
LDO kit is awesome. I built a LDO Trident 300, their kit quality is as solid as it can get. You don't have that fear of quality control problems, they send extra fasteners, etc. Welcome to the force.
Far prefer Tap over Klicky now that I've used both. Never got consistent results with Klicky, maybe a parts issue but Tap has been fantastic. I also have a 2.4 350, and understand it's never going to be insanely fast, so I'd much rather have consistent results than less weight.
12:34 i just wanted to tell you, incase you didn´t already notice it, that the front right corner of the gantry seems to be loose and wiggles aroung during the print wich could explain your layer issues.
I built an LDO Voron 2.4-300 last fall. Lots of fun, and I've really enjoyed the printer. I'm working on converting it over to CAN bus sometime later this year.
Super cool collab and I love the color! I built my Voron 2.4 earlier this year and it's been so much fun. Making silly mistakes, troubleshooting, tuning, printing, modding, all of it is just pure joy! I'd love to hear about any mods you'd like to do. I'm always looking for excuses to tinker with the printer itself LOL
I'm so glad you got someone to help. I am so fed up with month long series of Voron builds. I can't wait to get my kit. But I will probably build mine on my own. But I promise I won't Vlog it. Have fun with yours. I still think it is the best machine out there.
Bruh... That was one of those moments I just had to type that. Seeing the gantry correct itself after measuring was so frickin cool! I dont have a quad axis printer(I guess this works for two axis as well) but man, every step in the automation process is a big thumbs up for me. I like tinkering with my Ender, but my Elegoo does so much more for me to keep the downtime, well down. I'm not growing a print farm or anything but if I decide to get a third and possibly a larger print bed at that, this system looks really cool and helpful.
I receved my first Voron yesterday LDO 2.4 300 Kit and I have to says the quality in the LDO kit parts is very good, I am pretty excited to start building it (still in the process of printing the parts my selft)
I really appreciate that this video was focused more on entertainment and some quick info summaries, rather than the step-by-step instructional videos others have done. Those videos would be super useful if I was *actually* building a voron, but aren't great as "something to watch while I eat my pork chop." This was perfect!
Bro, it's so cool how everyone is building a Voron nowadays. They look great, and I'm excited to source a 2.4 for myself once I have the money and time.
@12:40 you can see something is loose on the front right hand Z linear rail. The connection between the rail and the gantry probably didn't get tightened back up.
I honestly would assume he didn't engage with the community in the way most would. He had an experienced builder for most of it. Most of the other visible engagement I saw was on Twitter. Sure there is a bunch of private stuff.
@@supermomandj curious to see what he recorded for part 2. They built a 350 which is harder to tune so there was a bunch of stuff surrounding that. The community is interesting. The primary community these days is on the Discord so you will often see a different atmosphere on the Reddit or the FB group. People are often surprised by old and common things because they aren't on the Discord. I feel like the FB group leans more towards the old attitude the community used to have where people are afraid of modifications. Meanwhile look at what team members build. They aren't afraid to make a printer what they want it to be. A lot of people are willing to help. But we're all humans. So you'll find negatives and tribalism here and there. Apparently a few years ago it was pretty bad. But I feel like the last 1.5-2 years have been decent. There's quite a few projects to pick from. Voron spoke to me but Annex or VZBot or Hevort is going to speak to someone else and I think they have decent communities around them.
I can't wait until I have the time and budget to build my own. I love the idea of the Voron, and I hope we find the Voron idea of an open source design from off the shelf parts in other things. Other tools, or vehicles, or things that haven't been invented yet.
I love these printers, I don’t have one just got my first one and wish I knew about these before buying mine. But I can see myself building one in the future
Super cool! I have honestly never seen a core XY printer where the z-axis is not just the bed moving up and down. Kind of want to build one of these but the build process itself seems really daunting. I need a buddy who knows what they're doing to help me through it like you!
It felt daunting at first, but having Alan there to help was FANTASTIC. It really helped with my confidence and I know I can do the next one on my own. Hopefully :)
Agree. Discord is the way to go. Especially the regional rooms where you will get most of the first aid during the build. And I know a lot of people in a similar situation as you that are making great builds.
I can't wait to get one built. In this day and age, you really have to build a printer to get the quality.. very few printer companies are putting out quality out of box.
I got the plans for building a Voron i just haven't taken the plunge yet. recently fixed some issues with my 6 year old printer. i just need to take the time to print the parts out and order stuff. i had $1,200 a month ago i could have used on it but i paid my moms power bill off before she passed away from cancer. Didn't want debt collectors trying to take the house.
Teamwork makes the dream work! Loved this collaboration, and I had just discovered @MandicReally yesterday. (Mandic might have finally sold me on an E3D Revo CR with his awesome review, by the way.) The shout-outs to everyone who helped you was awesome, and I wish it was spelled out in videos more often.
I literally just found out about these the other day and I haven’t been able to stop thinking about building one. What are the chances this video comes out now? It’s a sign 😋
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When you said "We can melt things" I instantly remember Frank Jr. from Friends TV Show. He loves the things he can melt and he hates the things doesn't melt.
Welcome to the Voron world:). I am on my 3 th Ldo Voron build and once configured (and yes it can take longer) they just run. Approaching the 2000 print hours on the 2.4 now. This machines are special. And you get upgrades 1-2 times a year to make it better and keep it up to date. You will not throw it away just because there is a new version. …. Or because you had dust on your carbon rods 😊 Telling this…. You should add the TAP probe next…..
Right!! I am going to hit 7000 hours on a few of my Vorons this month and they still run like champs. I have only had to replace Nozzles. Been a great work horse.
I’m really fighting the urge to spend my money on it. It’s so awesome to see and i actually want to replace my sunlu S8 pro with a voron 2.4r2 350 ldo kit. Awesome to see you having a blast with it!
My LDO Voron 2.4 has been on hold for a while now... I got pretty far, but started wondering about little things and then life got in the way... But your video has renewed my confidence. Seeing your gantry sit cock-eyed like that while it's off has made me less nervous about mine doing the same. (Mine doesn't even tilt as much as yours.) I don't have the klicky probe (I guess they added that recently to the LDO kits?), but I may end up upgrading to that in the future... Though the probe that actually uses the nozzle as the probe (with a little rail behind the print head) is pretty tempting, too.
the PIF system has great quality parts, And is especially useful if you cant print ABS or ASA which tends to require an enclosure and depending on ventilation a means to keep the fumes down. Maybe the biggest Co.. Road Block to building a Voron atm is the lack of Pi availability. And for a first timer I would suggest an actual Pi just because most directions operate on using one. Though if someone already knows Linux they can just use anything running Linux and this neat script that will put Klipper on anything running Linux.
I want one because of its build volume. Its one of the largest printers on the market right now (I think the Longer LK5 is a 400x400, but still a bed slinger). Add in the fact its a core X/Y type printer that it can handle that massive build volume without taking up extra print time. Drawback is the LDO 2.4 350...Is $2,000....so its on the upper scale on price. Compared to the Bambu X1, a 256x256 build plate, so 100mm smaller but is also $1,200 as is or $1,450 with the AMS so you can print in 4 colors. Overall the "Ultimate" build would be a Voron 2.4 350 with a Pallet 3 Pro, allowing high speed printing, and 8 color prints together (for about $2,800 bucks). The thing to figure out on that would be to get the two devices to talk to one another and for the slicer program to also understand the two.
the ldo kit is absurdly expensive, self sourcing or buying from a cheaper kit like Formbot's would be much cheaper. A formbot v2.4 350 with a ercf for 9 color printing would come out to a bit more than a thousand dollars.
@@peterzhou969 there have been issues with the formbot kit having bent or not straight frame rails. Also they use/source cheaper motors and parts then the LDO kit (seeing as LDO is a stepper motor manufacturer themselves). So yes its a cheaper kit, going for about $1000 vs the LDO kit going for $1500. From reviews the LDO kit is the better kit to pick up even though its a little more money. I have an LDO kit now myself, probably will try/get the other kit eventually for a 2nd Voron. I have a Red 2.4 r2 350 with Red and Dark Gray parts I did out of ASA (why ever use ABS), if I get another one....I think purple might be a fun color to do, with purple parts and call it the Purple People Eater LOL.
@@SirLANsalot I dont have any experience with formbot, but I use a v2.4 kit from Siboor and there haven't been any issues with quality on the motion parts yet (nor have I seen any complaints around in their community). The best option will always be to source it yourself, I only got a kit because this was my first time. It is undeniable that LDO has a really really high markup on their kits even versus self sourcing, as they are portrayed as "premium". On a side note, I've never actually had any negative experience with ABS, and I usually use it above ASA because it is significantly cheaper everywhere i look. Maybe give it another go
I used a Voron printer for a couple of months and have to say: not a fan I feels much more like a project and less like a tool. I remember after a firmware update the head ran into the bed because of lost calibration. Also the head overheated and destroyed itself. Never had such problems with an Ultimaker. Also, why are no prebuilts available O_o
@@jack-hale this is the top of the line one. There are cheaper models. But it can be more if you add a raspberry pi and the parts. If you are ok with less quality, there are kits for less then 1000 $ out here.
I've been wanting one of these for a while, but I'm broke lol. A 3d printer has been on my list for quite a while now, I might have to build one of these this year. I can get all the hardware for cheap at work, but the brackets/extrusion/motors/boards I'll need to get online.
Hi very cool build-video. Are you able to print large CF-PA parts without having them warp. I'm sure if you fill up the entire bet it probably will, but how large can you go without warping being an issue. On my BBL X1C I have a part that streches from corner to corner, but if I print it in CF-PA the build plate lifts off the magnets in the corner. I'd be curious to know if you could make it work with the larger plate. If you have some CF-PA, I'd be happy to sent you the stl to try.
Hey there Joel, Very cool video! I've been thinking it's time to upgrade to a more modern printer from my old CR-10. I was looking at QiDi Max-3, Bambu labs P1s. Maybe the Voron 2.4 is an edge better? What do you say about the Voron after having it for a year?
Wow talk about timing. I’m in the middle of putting together a plan to build a voron 2.4r2 and was doing some comparisons to the X1P and boom you come out with this
i just got a voron from a friend he had so many problems with it but i still wanted to buy it first time i turned it on the motors were so loud and now after some time i really just think i wanna take it all apart and rebuild it from scratch do you think that would be a good idea?
Because you asked, I have questionSSS I found the 2.4 350 kit, but do they offer a larger platform?? I am slowly getting close to where I want to build a life size R2D2 with each of it's major components, such as the dome, in one piece, and my Ender 5 Plus just isn't going to cut it. I want to try the Mercury v1.1 HYDRA mod to my E5+, but it would leave me stuck with the same size printer. Then I was thinking about the 510x510x500 Ender Extender, but I don't know if I could incorporate the HYDRA (triple Z controllers) aspect of the Mercury design into it. I have previously been able to find the blue 2020 that you used here, but I wanted to ask if you knew of an e-tailer that sells 2040 in blue??? My brain hurts just thinking about all of this. And I will leave you by asking where I can find the files for the prints you showed at the end of this video??? As always Joel, GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
I wanted to build a voron ever since they started putting together their sourcing guides. They are definitely one of the coolest printers you could get imo. But as someone who can barely keep a cheap i3 working properly, it always seemed so far out of my skill (and price) range.
Damn now I want to build a Voron! I just have some apprehensions on the Klipper side since I had some bad experience with the Creality Sonic pad + Ender 5 Pro w/ 4.2.7+BLT+Filament Sensor. I had it working, blew a 4.2.7 board, replaced with a new board and was never able to reinstall it back on my Ender 5 Pro since following the same steps. Had to revert back to Marlin. So seems the Voron Install of Klipper maybe more clear to understand. Will have to try this if I can get space for it.
what would you suggest now you have built a voron. voron vs X1 Carbon. maybe you could do some comparisons on speed/features. I currently have an i3 style clone.
Lucky you! I've had the LDO kit for four months but some stuff in the kit was WRONG and I'm still waiting for the wiring harness! Finally I bit the bullet, ordered a Bambu X1 Carbon, got it in 4 days and had it printing half an hour after it arrived.
Well at least they are pulling this advertisement here. So all others get their new kits but you're not getting the cable. 😂 A BambuLab X1 is nice but there are several reasons not to get one. I have almost finished my 2nd 2.4. could have eeeeasily gotten an X1 for the money but I've wanted a tool that I have full control over.
@@REDxFROG UpTo you, i hated tinkering on my ender 5, sometimes going days with troubleshooting. Been almost a year with the Bambu, aside from a clog, it's been pretty amazing.
Idk if it's a voron mistake or you guys, but you shouldn't be calling the motors a and be either. X, Y, and Z are your linear axis, but a, b, and c are rotational axis, so an a and b motor would be motors rotating through the x and y axis. Those are i and j motors
Nice work, sir! How much of a footprint on your desk do you need to run that? I'm trying to figure out if I can fit a 350 on my desk, with the spool on top like you have. Thanks!
The 2.4 350 has a much bigger build volume, but it’s still a machine you need to assemble. If you like to tinker and don’t mind playing with software - you’d enjoy this.
The Voron and the X1C really compliment each other. The X1C just works, but it's boring. I love tinkering with my Voron and if it's partially disassembled and I need a new part, the X1C is ready to go!
We wanted to build a Voron, so we did! Love that you are loving it Joel & I had a blast being a part of it. 👏🏻🎉👏🏻
Love the classic BME tshirt on day 2.5!
Fellow Voron owner - its a brilliant printer though its a big effort to get going!
You guys did great!
*Joel watched Mandic build a Voron 😅
@@sw6559 and when you have two people and nero helping - but at least he admitted it though, so the video isnt disengenous though the title may be. He helped build a voron doesnt sound as good
So very glad you’re having a blast with this machine. And sounds like assembly process was also fun. “Full Voron Experience” achieved!
MAKS! My dude, building and using this machine makes me feel like it’s my first 3D printer all over again!
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full voron experience requires posting for a serial # right?
I'd love to see "Do you want to build a Voron? Part 2" with everything after it first pushed plastic! So tuning, Klipper configs, slicer settings etc.
I just built a 0.2 in the same colour scheme. I still can't believe just how much fun the whole build process was, I had an absolute blast.
Thanks for great video! Like the moment when power on, exciting “I did it”! Build your own unique printer is always blasting, that’s Voron!
This could never been better timed. I am in the middle of sourcing parts, and was doubting if a voron is the right choice. seeing you built one gave me the confidence that I am making the right decsion.
can't wait for more VORON action
HECK YES!
Great build. I think LDO has changed the Voron market. 3 Years ago I wanted to build a Voron, but at that time no one had really good kits, so most self sourced. I chose a Rat Rig kit, since they had 95%+ of the parts needed. I experienced the same excitement when it first came alive. It is like being in the delivery room for a birth of a child. My two Rat Rigs are a great compliment to my Bambu printers. The Bambu are fast the Rat Rigs are BIG.
how does the speed compare to something like a Chiron, or Sidewinder x1...build area, speed, ? Thanks.
I built my V0.1 pre-LDO :) Paid more and had the "joy" of doing all the crimping and cutting and cable management myself. Ok, actually I am a little bit proud of that but if I every by another Voron, it will be an LDO kit.
@@sagichnicht6748 I choose not to get a kit because many parts wont be my choice.
Ive wanted a 8mm bed with included neodym magnets, Phaetus Rapido and a VezHextrudort, frame in the color of choice, idlers from powge, higher quality rails. Self sourcing is part from the experience. Printing all those parts takes so much time anyway.
@@REDxFROG Yeah, I tasted blood again and started digging regarding a V2.4. I am on the fance if and what way I should go. Sourcing everything has gotten a lot harder and more expensive from Austria as due to national legislation almost all if not all shops at Aliexpress stopped shipping to Austria, so a lot of direct sources have dried up.
Absurdly enough the easiest and most cost effective solution to that is getting a Formbot kit and then buy all those things I want to have something better or different on top of it. I somehow hate the idea of throwing away half the kit though, feels like such a waste. Sourcing eveything myself will cost a lot more than that but maybe is not that much more expensive than an LDO kit.
Joel, full disclosure: I really like Voron and their community so naturally in happy to see you build one. I will say this is one of my favorite videos from you so far and not because you built a Voron but because of the sincere joy we can see from you building something you weren't sure you could approach and succeeding. I'm very happy you got to experience the joy of making and wish you success in the tuning of your new printer. All the best.
I built a V2.4 R2 from an LDO kit at the beginning of the year. I enjoyed the process and quality of the provided parts so much that I've just ordered a V0.2 kit from them as well to replace my Ender 3 as the backup/secondary printer.
That's it... you and Mandic have inspired me to hop on the Voron train. Kit procured... build is happening. Looks sooo awesome. Thank you both for continuing to be such an inspiration in the world of 3D Printing.
Great to see Joel doing a build! I bought the same Voron 2.4 LDO kit from KB3D for here at work. I also opted for the E3D Revo hotend as well. I'm at the hot end assembly part and look forward to getting it done fairly soon. I wish I had a Voron experienced helper like you did! High Five!
My partner and I built one of these (350mm 2.4) last summer. Huge fun doing it as a couple and I’m loving what I can do with the printer. Really fun seeing you do this!
Just finished building my 2.4 machine. Awesome machine, definitely not a beginner machine, so much calibrating still to be done.
What kind of calibrating do you need to do out of the box?
@@supermomandj Well, like many other printers, you will have to check/calibrate e-steps, PID, Input shaping and pressure advance to mention some. Each calibration take a few minutes so its not that bad.
This video couldn’t have came out at a better time. I recently just ordered the same kit and I’m going crazy waiting on delivery. Can’t wait to build it!
MY voron is 97% done hopefully i get finished over the weekend ! I didn't buy kit and prob saved $200 but It taken me 2 months ordering bolts and stuff to get to this point !!! and for first time builder your prob more like 50 + hours and 200 hours of prints , and took longer as wait for the new cam bus from bigtree So can't wait to see it action ! it's still the best printer you can buy !!!
Man, I met Joel last year, he's the guy who got me into 3d printing. And I met Alan the same weekend. And I've been glued to his videos every since.
As was said in Robots, "Making the baby is the fun part". All the fiddly work that goes into fine tuning after that first trial is the semi-maddening part, especially when you're treading fresh snow in some cases; when you're the first one to do something and you're constantly going back and forth from tweaking hardware to testing code 50 or 60 times a day. A month or so down the line, you've got everything absolutely perfect and dialed in so it can do its thing relatively unmonitored, you get some trust between you and the hardware, and let baby out into the world for its first overnight print.
Next morning, a pile of spaghetti is on the floor, 85% of a model is on the build platform, and there's a geyser of molten plastic coming out of the hot end that took its sweet time cooling, and reality sets in that it's all got to come apart again. Ugh, I don't miss those days...
FINALLY!!!!! You guys did great & it's actually a really gorgeous looking machine too! My goal for this year is to definitely join the Voron club.
This thing has everything I could think of, a 3D printer should have. This is amazing
LDO kit is awesome.
I built a LDO Trident 300, their kit quality is as solid as it can get. You don't have that fear of quality control problems, they send extra fasteners, etc.
Welcome to the force.
A Voron is on my "to do eventually" list. Love the genuine joy that is so obvious in this video.
I'm about 1/3 through a Trident kit from LDO and enjoying the process
Far prefer Tap over Klicky now that I've used both. Never got consistent results with Klicky, maybe a parts issue but Tap has been fantastic. I also have a 2.4 350, and understand it's never going to be insanely fast, so I'd much rather have consistent results than less weight.
Is there an easy kit for drop Tap leveling?
Nice to see this collab. Mandic’s channel is one of the most exciting channels to come around in awhile
LOVE that dude. Such a good human.
12:34 i just wanted to tell you, incase you didn´t already notice it, that the front right corner of the gantry seems to be loose and wiggles aroung during the print wich could explain your layer issues.
Built mine last year, the flying gantry is mesmerizing. I can (and do) just watch it for hours.
I built an LDO Voron 2.4-300 last fall. Lots of fun, and I've really enjoyed the printer. I'm working on converting it over to CAN bus sometime later this year.
Super cool collab and I love the color!
I built my Voron 2.4 earlier this year and it's been so much fun. Making silly mistakes, troubleshooting, tuning, printing, modding, all of it is just pure joy!
I'd love to hear about any mods you'd like to do. I'm always looking for excuses to tinker with the printer itself LOL
I’ve had a number of people tell me I need to use TAP instead of Klicky probe so that may be next.
I'm so glad you got someone to help. I am so fed up with month long series of Voron builds. I can't wait to get my kit. But I will probably build mine on my own. But I promise I won't Vlog it. Have fun with yours. I still think it is the best machine out there.
just assembling my voxelab aquila for the first time and seeing it start printing was so amazing, cant imagine how fun this must be to build
Bruh... That was one of those moments I just had to type that. Seeing the gantry correct itself after measuring was so frickin cool! I dont have a quad axis printer(I guess this works for two axis as well) but man, every step in the automation process is a big thumbs up for me. I like tinkering with my Ender, but my Elegoo does so much more for me to keep the downtime, well down. I'm not growing a print farm or anything but if I decide to get a third and possibly a larger print bed at that, this system looks really cool and helpful.
I receved my first Voron yesterday LDO 2.4 300 Kit and I have to says the quality in the LDO kit parts is very good, I am pretty excited to start building it (still in the process of printing the parts my selft)
I really appreciate that this video was focused more on entertainment and some quick info summaries, rather than the step-by-step instructional videos others have done. Those videos would be super useful if I was *actually* building a voron, but aren't great as "something to watch while I eat my pork chop." This was perfect!
Bro, it's so cool how everyone is building a Voron nowadays. They look great, and I'm excited to source a 2.4 for myself once I have the money and time.
@12:40 you can see something is loose on the front right hand Z linear rail. The connection between the rail and the gantry probably didn't get tightened back up.
Compared to other printers you’ve worked with, how would you rate the community support for the voron?
I honestly would assume he didn't engage with the community in the way most would. He had an experienced builder for most of it. Most of the other visible engagement I saw was on Twitter. Sure there is a bunch of private stuff.
@@Rainmotorsports yeah I just was curious based on what experience he DID have. And I kinda hoped other randoms would chime in if he didn’t reply
@@supermomandj curious to see what he recorded for part 2. They built a 350 which is harder to tune so there was a bunch of stuff surrounding that.
The community is interesting. The primary community these days is on the Discord so you will often see a different atmosphere on the Reddit or the FB group. People are often surprised by old and common things because they aren't on the Discord. I feel like the FB group leans more towards the old attitude the community used to have where people are afraid of modifications. Meanwhile look at what team members build. They aren't afraid to make a printer what they want it to be. A lot of people are willing to help. But we're all humans. So you'll find negatives and tribalism here and there. Apparently a few years ago it was pretty bad. But I feel like the last 1.5-2 years have been decent.
There's quite a few projects to pick from. Voron spoke to me but Annex or VZBot or Hevort is going to speak to someone else and I think they have decent communities around them.
Hey Joel! When are you gonna build the fastest VzBot (2000mm/s)?
Such a fun build, glad you did one. Welcome to the club!
I can't wait until I have the time and budget to build my own. I love the idea of the Voron, and I hope we find the Voron idea of an open source design from off the shelf parts in other things. Other tools, or vehicles, or things that haven't been invented yet.
I loved my first ldo 350 kit so much that i bought another one. Cant wait to build that
Welcome to “The Club” Joel 😊
I love these printers, I don’t have one just got my first one and wish I knew about these before buying mine. But I can see myself building one in the future
I am a little disappoint that when you said 'Do you wanna build a Voron?' that you did not sing it in the tune of Frozen. Big miss there 😆
Joel fully wanted to but I was exhausted so it just wasn’t happening. 😂
Hell ya bro!! Glad you had fun and seen how awesome it is to build one. The satisfaction of getting it completed is soooooo good! :D
Built mine the other week and I’m having a blast! Still lots of calibration to do though!
I'm planning on building a formbot kit and I'm excited! Wish I could get a LDO kit but they are too expensive. Happy prinng!
Mine just arrived yesterday. Super hyped to start the build.
Now it works, it's time to rip out the klicky and install TAP.
9:18 love that Joel can't figure out what words of excitement will get out first! Love it.
this gives me hope on my voron journey love watching both you guys!!!
i also build a voron but the 300 kit from formbot. It was a lot of fun and this thing just works soooo much better than my old bedflinger.
Super cool! I have honestly never seen a core XY printer where the z-axis is not just the bed moving up and down.
Kind of want to build one of these but the build process itself seems really daunting. I need a buddy who knows what they're doing to help me through it like you!
It felt daunting at first, but having Alan there to help was FANTASTIC. It really helped with my confidence and I know I can do the next one on my own. Hopefully :)
Yeah don't underestimate how helpful the discord is
Agree. Discord is the way to go. Especially the regional rooms where you will get most of the first aid during the build. And I know a lot of people in a similar situation as you that are making great builds.
I'm so pumped for the Voron Micron+ kit I just ordered
I can't wait to get one built. In this day and age, you really have to build a printer to get the quality.. very few printer companies are putting out quality out of box.
I got the plans for building a Voron i just haven't taken the plunge yet.
recently fixed some issues with my 6 year old printer. i just need to take the time to print the parts out and order stuff.
i had $1,200 a month ago i could have used on it but i paid my moms power bill off before she passed away from cancer. Didn't want debt collectors trying to take the house.
Teamwork makes the dream work! Loved this collaboration, and I had just discovered @MandicReally yesterday. (Mandic might have finally sold me on an E3D Revo CR with his awesome review, by the way.)
The shout-outs to everyone who helped you was awesome, and I wish it was spelled out in videos more often.
I literally just found out about these the other day and I haven’t been able to stop thinking about building one. What are the chances this video comes out now? It’s a sign 😋
When you said "We can melt things" I instantly remember Frank Jr. from Friends TV Show. He loves the things he can melt and he hates the things doesn't melt.
Welcome to the Voron world:). I am on my 3 th Ldo Voron build and once configured (and yes it can take longer) they just run. Approaching the 2000 print hours on the 2.4 now. This machines are special. And you get upgrades 1-2 times a year to make it better and keep it up to date. You will not throw it away just because there is a new version. …. Or because you had dust on your carbon rods 😊
Telling this…. You should add the TAP probe next…..
Right!! I am going to hit 7000 hours on a few of my Vorons this month and they still run like champs. I have only had to replace Nozzles. Been a great work horse.
“Dust on carbon rods”lmfao
I’m really fighting the urge to spend my money on it. It’s so awesome to see and i actually want to replace my sunlu S8 pro with a voron 2.4r2 350 ldo kit.
Awesome to see you having a blast with it!
My LDO Voron 2.4 has been on hold for a while now... I got pretty far, but started wondering about little things and then life got in the way...
But your video has renewed my confidence. Seeing your gantry sit cock-eyed like that while it's off has made me less nervous about mine doing the same. (Mine doesn't even tilt as much as yours.) I don't have the klicky probe (I guess they added that recently to the LDO kits?), but I may end up upgrading to that in the future... Though the probe that actually uses the nozzle as the probe (with a little rail behind the print head) is pretty tempting, too.
Actually, I looked and there *is* a Klicky probe kit in mine after all! So happy to see that. This video has really opened my eyes! :D
the PIF system has great quality parts, And is especially useful if you cant print ABS or ASA which tends to require an enclosure and depending on ventilation a means to keep the fumes down.
Maybe the biggest Co.. Road Block to building a Voron atm is the lack of Pi availability. And for a first timer I would suggest an actual Pi just because most directions operate on using one. Though if someone already knows Linux they can just use anything running Linux and this neat script that will put Klipper on anything running Linux.
Finally. Looking forward to your further printing journey with the Voron
I want one because of its build volume. Its one of the largest printers on the market right now (I think the Longer LK5 is a 400x400, but still a bed slinger). Add in the fact its a core X/Y type printer that it can handle that massive build volume without taking up extra print time.
Drawback is the LDO 2.4 350...Is $2,000....so its on the upper scale on price. Compared to the Bambu X1, a 256x256 build plate, so 100mm smaller but is also $1,200 as is or $1,450 with the AMS so you can print in 4 colors.
Overall the "Ultimate" build would be a Voron 2.4 350 with a Pallet 3 Pro, allowing high speed printing, and 8 color prints together (for about $2,800 bucks). The thing to figure out on that would be to get the two devices to talk to one another and for the slicer program to also understand the two.
the ldo kit is absurdly expensive, self sourcing or buying from a cheaper kit like Formbot's would be much cheaper. A formbot v2.4 350 with a ercf for 9 color printing would come out to a bit more than a thousand dollars.
@@peterzhou969 there have been issues with the formbot kit having bent or not straight frame rails. Also they use/source cheaper motors and parts then the LDO kit (seeing as LDO is a stepper motor manufacturer themselves). So yes its a cheaper kit, going for about $1000 vs the LDO kit going for $1500. From reviews the LDO kit is the better kit to pick up even though its a little more money. I have an LDO kit now myself, probably will try/get the other kit eventually for a 2nd Voron.
I have a Red 2.4 r2 350 with Red and Dark Gray parts I did out of ASA (why ever use ABS), if I get another one....I think purple might be a fun color to do, with purple parts and call it the Purple People Eater LOL.
@@SirLANsalot I dont have any experience with formbot, but I use a v2.4 kit from Siboor and there haven't been any issues with quality on the motion parts yet (nor have I seen any complaints around in their community). The best option will always be to source it yourself, I only got a kit because this was my first time. It is undeniable that LDO has a really really high markup on their kits even versus self sourcing, as they are portrayed as "premium".
On a side note, I've never actually had any negative experience with ABS, and I usually use it above ASA because it is significantly cheaper everywhere i look. Maybe give it another go
I’ve been wanting to build a Voron. It looks like so much fun.
I used a Voron printer for a couple of months and have to say: not a fan
I feels much more like a project and less like a tool.
I remember after a firmware update the head ran into the bed because of lost calibration. Also the head overheated and destroyed itself.
Never had such problems with an Ultimaker. Also, why are no prebuilts available O_o
Joel, that is awesome! I have been strongly considering ordering a kit!
DO IT
Hi joe, I highly advise that you go through "Ellis' Print Tuning Guide" it will make your Voron absolutely beautiful.
Thank you for this vid. Those of us with 7 kiddos have to live vicariously through your 1080p window you offer us of the finer things in life lol.
I really need to build mine. Its sitting in its box from China.... its been in that box for over a year.
I haven't touched 3D printing youtube since getting my cr10s. god, how things have changed in the last 5 years! this is insane!
Oh man SO MUCH in the last 5 years!
that being said. $1500. that's a lot
@@jack-hale this is the top of the line one. There are cheaper models. But it can be more if you add a raspberry pi and the parts. If you are ok with less quality, there are kits for less then 1000 $ out here.
Be careful, Joel! These things seem to multiply! I just finished my Trident, and I'm already pondering my next build.
I've been wanting one of these for a while, but I'm broke lol. A 3d printer has been on my list for quite a while now, I might have to build one of these this year. I can get all the hardware for cheap at work, but the brackets/extrusion/motors/boards I'll need to get online.
Hi very cool build-video. Are you able to print large CF-PA parts without having them warp. I'm sure if you fill up the entire bet it probably will, but how large can you go without warping being an issue. On my BBL X1C I have a part that streches from corner to corner, but if I print it in CF-PA the build plate lifts off the magnets in the corner. I'd be curious to know if you could make it work with the larger plate. If you have some CF-PA, I'd be happy to sent you the stl to try.
Hey there Joel, Very cool video! I've been thinking it's time to upgrade to a more modern printer from my old CR-10. I was looking at QiDi Max-3, Bambu labs P1s. Maybe the Voron 2.4 is an edge better? What do you say about the Voron after having it for a year?
Now do a Ratrig on your own, they are awesome machines as well, have the v-core 3.1 400 and a v-minion.
Wow talk about timing. I’m in the middle of putting together a plan to build a voron 2.4r2 and was doing some comparisons to the X1P and boom you come out with this
So awesome! Also your in my neck of the woods...wish we could do a 3D printing CON in Seattle! And talk shop..
i just got a voron from a friend he had so many problems with it but i still wanted to buy it first time i turned it on the motors were so loud and now after some time i really just think i wanna take it all apart and rebuild it from scratch do you think that would be a good idea?
Because you asked, I have questionSSS I found the 2.4 350 kit, but do they offer a larger platform?? I am slowly getting close to where I want to build a life size R2D2 with each of it's major components, such as the dome, in one piece, and my Ender 5 Plus just isn't going to cut it. I want to try the Mercury v1.1 HYDRA mod to my E5+, but it would leave me stuck with the same size printer. Then I was thinking about the 510x510x500 Ender Extender, but I don't know if I could incorporate the HYDRA (triple Z controllers) aspect of the Mercury design into it. I have previously been able to find the blue 2020 that you used here, but I wanted to ask if you knew of an e-tailer that sells 2040 in blue??? My brain hurts just thinking about all of this. And I will leave you by asking where I can find the files for the prints you showed at the end of this video??? As always Joel, GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
I wanted to build a voron ever since they started putting together their sourcing guides. They are definitely one of the coolest printers you could get imo. But as someone who can barely keep a cheap i3 working properly, it always seemed so far out of my skill (and price) range.
The kit is 1650eur for v2.4 overkil
Hey Joel, when are you gonna build your second Voron?
What is the total price of this printer the way you ordered and set it up in this video???
Can you post videos on how you built the Voron from scratch
Cancelled my prusa xl pre order. Just over waiting for it. Now looking at a voron 2.4 350x350 or a rat rig v core 3.1 500x500
great video guys , keep up the proper work!! you both are super great !!!
One month ago, I was watching an old Joel video about putting a micro Swiss hot end on a Wanhao duplicator i3, in order to print voron abs parts…
Fantastic video. Have fun with the machine. Print all the voron cubes and benchies as you tune ;) And mainly of all. Get serial for it ;)
I want to build this kit but will have to live vicariously through you...for now.
I’m thinking about doing this. My QIDI x-plus is so slow and is handicapped because nothing is customizable.
Do it!!!
Can’t wait for part 2!!!
Damn now I want to build a Voron! I just have some apprehensions on the Klipper side since I had some bad experience with the Creality Sonic pad + Ender 5 Pro w/ 4.2.7+BLT+Filament Sensor. I had it working, blew a 4.2.7 board, replaced with a new board and was never able to reinstall it back on my Ender 5 Pro since following the same steps. Had to revert back to Marlin.
So seems the Voron Install of Klipper maybe more clear to understand. Will have to try this if I can get space for it.
Why did the board blow?
what would you suggest now you have built a voron. voron vs X1 Carbon. maybe you could do some comparisons on speed/features. I currently have an i3 style clone.
Lucky you! I've had the LDO kit for four months but some stuff in the kit was WRONG and I'm still waiting for the wiring harness! Finally I bit the bullet, ordered a Bambu X1 Carbon, got it in 4 days and had it printing half an hour after it arrived.
Smart decision, Bambu is an amazing machine and it will compliment your Voron nicely!
Well at least they are pulling this advertisement here. So all others get their new kits but you're not getting the cable. 😂
A BambuLab X1 is nice but there are several reasons not to get one. I have almost finished my 2nd 2.4. could have eeeeasily gotten an X1 for the money but I've wanted a tool that I have full control over.
@@REDxFROG UpTo you, i hated tinkering on my ender 5, sometimes going days with troubleshooting. Been almost a year with the Bambu, aside from a clog, it's been pretty amazing.
Idk if it's a voron mistake or you guys, but you shouldn't be calling the motors a and be either. X, Y, and Z are your linear axis, but a, b, and c are rotational axis, so an a and b motor would be motors rotating through the x and y axis.
Those are i and j motors
Nice work, sir!
How much of a footprint on your desk do you need to run that? I'm trying to figure out if I can fit a 350 on my desk, with the spool on top like you have. Thanks!
Where can I get the stl of the objects you printed I'm interested in the green and black ones
Hope to see more cool collabs like this.
So good! I knew Joel would enjoy this experience and I knew I would enjoy watching Joel enjoy it. *high five
HIGH FIVE!
I have absolutely no need for a Voron, I already have an X1CC. But you really make me want to go order one.
The 2.4 350 has a much bigger build volume, but it’s still a machine you need to assemble. If you like to tinker and don’t mind playing with software - you’d enjoy this.
The Voron and the X1C really compliment each other. The X1C just works, but it's boring. I love tinkering with my Voron and if it's partially disassembled and I need a new part, the X1C is ready to go!