The Winds of Winter: The Battle of Ice Part 3 (mega-spoilers)
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
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"We've been waiting for the next book for so long" - 2014
Oh you sweet summer children
HAhaha You start a story (1997) you don't expect to wait 30 years to kinda get to the end of it.
@@TKFKU Longer than that. Pretty sure the first story dropped in 1996. There were whispers years before that.
My 3rd time watching these episodes over the years and still phenomenal... How these artificial Thrones channels have a few hundred subs and you guys dont is unreal to me... You and Radio Westeros are the absolute best n most knowledgeable by far! Well done!
All hail Stannis Baratheon. The one, true King Of Westeros. Stand and be recognized. Give 'em hell, Stanny!
😂 Stanny. Stannis the mannis! Hooooooooo!
Stannis-is-not-azor-ahai-Jon-Stark-or-Daenarys-is-&she-will-be-the-Queen-of-the-7-kingdoms-she-will-rescue-Westeros-Aegon-the-conquerer-reborn-with-3-dragons-Drogon-will-be-monstrous-by-book-7/8-and-the-other-2-will-be-bigger-than-their=brother-now-that-their-free-and-roam-free
Stannis, meet The Brotherhood without Banners. Composed mainly of Rh`llor worshipers led by Thoros of Myr who dosn`t neccesserally agree with Mellisandre`s interpretation of what is seen in the fire.
And their leaders Lady Stoneheart and Brienne of Tarth!
"When the time comes my lady, do not hold me back"
OOps!
Robert Sneddon Not such a crazy ending for Brienne's arc. Also dovetails nicely into Mel resurrecting King Stannis, to become the Great Other, or the new Night's King. Though I shudder to think it, evidence is starting to point towards Stannis taking the reins of the dark forces. Or.....maybe Bran. Either way it sucks.
paisleypark FUCK OFF FRONTRUNNER!
Watching this is in July of 2020 and Winds still isn't out yet.
April 2021. Still not out lol
@@jovedo27 All that covid and Martin still couldn't finish it.
Another wonderful podcast! Cant believe you can get 6 hours on a battle in a book not yet published!!! amazing!
well they only actually talked like 20-30 min about the battle the rest is preparation, premises and aftermath
Yeah but they squeeze “jokes” which are “funny” out of virtually nothing. Actually nothing. Plus an 11 year wait will get you looking for anything you can, especially when you make money and get status from it
That was weird. I never lost Jeff's audio. I watch on UA-cam. Jeff's audio and video were clearer than Aziz whose audio garbled a lot for me. I do want to say I have really enjoyed this series! It was awesome!
Yeah, his audio was loud and clear the whole time.
Can't tell you how much I enjoy your videos! It was cool to have B Bfish on here. Can't wait for Ice and Fire videos, keep up the good work
This Battle of Ice series was very well done. keep up the good work guys!! I really like the addition of Jeff to the conversations. I can't wait until you guys put out more episodes! i really miss the weekly eps u guys put out while HBO is playing new eps of Game of Thrones
Oh my Seven part 3 is here. APOIAF, BLAH and y'all have been on hiatus for a while, thank you for posting!
Entirely worth the wait! Thank you so much, I'm a huge fan! (These videos are better than the show)
Jeff for permanent host, all three of you are awesome
I do not know any UA-camr that puts as much effort into their videos are yous do. Keep up the good work, thanks.
Another epic video - keep 'em coming!
Based on plot arc logistics, I'm convinced that Theon has to survive his time with Stannis in order for Asha to use him as the technicality for invalidating the result of the King's Moot - he was a central claimant who wasn't able to attend. I see GRRM's Ironborn end game with Asha as the ruler. Perhaps Asha will find a way to escape, with Theon, during the fog of war?
"You have no high ground" well that settles it, stannis is a goner. No high ground is a 1000% chance of defeat.
I've really enjoyed this 3 part series. Bravo!
Crowdoof always puts a smile on my face. Every. Bloody. Time. It kinda reminds of doofus (which he is certainly not) in a way that makes him seem almost lovable.
Thank The Gods for the internet. I love to talk about this stuff, but unfortunately nobody in my circle gives a crap lol. Reddit and UA-cam arenmy only outlet. Its nice to put a face to BFish I have read a lot of his stuff and respect his knowledge of Westeros. Love it guys. Can't wait till The Winter Wind blows in!!
A bowl of Ravenbran a day will keep the White Walkers away. ;) Loved this series Aziz, I seriously cherish every video you release!
The Manderlys would not be violating guest right anyway you slice it - as Winterfell is not the home of the Boltons. And they know the Boltons took it under duress. So no guest right to be violated - period. Pies for everyone!
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, good work team.
hey. Im 3 years late but better late than never. excellent vid.
Great work guys. B. Bfish, you're awesome. Bring on Tony Teflon for round table!
No, sir. You are awesome!
I agree, Tony's the man!
I've been reading your blog and I have to admit I'm man crushing a little...you have a beautiful military mind
Hi guys, brilliant work, i have a suggestion , when talking about terrains and the castles i think it would be cool if you could incorporate maps and animations.
I always took the actions of Bowen Marsh to be the beginning of chaos. Could see Tolmound and the giants taking their chance and ripping through the Nights Watch, while the Queens men pretty much just flee to try and save Mel and so on. Would be interesting if Marsh could keep the watch under wraps and prevent a wilding uprising; guess it depends on how deeply rooted the betrayal is in the watch, and how well they planned it. Although it appears to be pretty much a quick job before Jon leaves.
I don’t even consider it a betrayal,Jon broke his vows to the night watch and if he marched on roose and Ramsay it would have been the end of the nights watch
wow never realized it was you J who wrote the Stannis military career bacjground, anyone who has not read it, I HIGHLY suggest it, very well written, lots of cool shit and is broken down perfectly
These videos are the best. Is it possible that you might bring Jeff back for one of your episode reviews of season 5? Especially if they show the Battle of Ice in season 5.
So long as they actually keep the Battle of Ice in the show or TWOW publishes, I'd love to come back and chat about how right (wrong) I was on what I thought. :)
@@philosoldier84 what you think now jeff
Would love to see the battle of ice revisted
I love some good speculation. I'm guessing that the others will commandeer the ships sent to Hardhome bypassing the wall and infest Kings landing, turning it into a necropolis and using it as a springboard to the rest of Westeros.
Very good analysis with Jeff, good job. ^^
13:31 and Aziz said, “Those of you without theories, cast the first stone”
Oh 😫 2 more days until it starts. I was so excited when I saw this lol.
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Even if the Boltons win remember that Roose sent out the Freys and Manderly's first and held his main strength ,including all of the Dreadfort men,in reserve.We also know this from the upcoming TWOW Theon chapter when he tell Stannis as much so they Freys will likely perish in either scenerio.I believe the Manderlys are going to attack the Freys when they get close to Stannis and will turn their cloaks for Stannis like the Karstarks were going to before Stannis finds out about their treachery from that sdame Thenon chapter.
If Stannis dies, I might be (Davos)tated. I’ve had waaay too much time to look back over these videos while we all patiently wait. Another one I’m not looking forward to… the scourging of the [Shire]en. I may not be a patron yet, but if you guys are ever visiting Tally, I’ll treat you to lunch 😊
I imagine these guys thought winds of winter was a few years off man those were the times!
Hey guys! So happy for this upload 😁👍
Niceeeeee I was waiting so long for the next video
Always love the posts thanks so much. These are great!
Oh how funny! Raven Bran! Love Raisin Bran but not so sure about the other. Lol
finalmente! vou assistir ao vivo dessa vez!
I love these videos, I wait for them... Do you have podcasts? Or any audio files I could play on my iPod while walking??!?!?
Again great work as always.. I'm team Stannis
We are on Soundcloud at soundcloud.com/history-of-westeros and on iTunes searchable as 'History of Westeros'.
The podcasts are awesome and so handy to have easily accessible on your phone. These guys are brilliant aren't they. 👨👧👱
We could hear Jeff even if Aziz couldnt...
On Resurrected Jon possibly forgetting real Arya, I think the Beric's condition was the product of multiple times being brought back. If Jon is only brought back once, and his consciousness has been "awake" in Ghost in the interim, perhaps the effect won't be so huge. But then again there is the risk that staying in Ghost could have the same effect.
I wonder what would happen if `fake Arya` ends up being sent to Braavos by Jon along with Alysane Mormont. Then they cross paths with `Real Arya` just after she parts company with the Faceless Men?
Perhaps they continue the deception with `Real Arya` posing as a servant to `Fake Arya`?
Huzzah, you are live!
Jeff hiding under pillows.
Only 16 comments? I'm sure by the time I finish listening to this there will be the normal 1k + but wow this feels so intimate. lol
For a bit more visibility you could try contacting UA-camrs focussed on Medieval warfare like for example Skallagrim for a joint video of what battles and duels in the series would be like.
GRMM goes into laudible detail but there might be enough interest to get into the nitty gritty of the arms, armour and tactics involved.
Great video as always I think the Manderly has Rickon or umbers do
It would make sense for Jon and Stannis to purposely maintain the deception around Jeyne. If they rescue 'Arya Stark' from the Boltons then it greatly strengthens their political position.
Spartacus's body was never found. Though Stannis is alot more identifiable, atleast to the commanders, namely Karstarks, (imprisoned) (perhaps the Court, Tobho Mott, smallfolk many miles away). Stannis would'nt commission a statue, where the Romans might have done so as a reminder after the fact. Even Luwin hoped to pick a mason who knew Ned's likeness well. No digital cameras
Anyone else among the Tyrell and Redwyne forces recalling a younger Stannis calling down to them their ''fathers smell of elderberries'', (possible for both now I say that), are back in Kings Landing, at Storms End or enroute to Faircastle. This really helps to analyse the material.
Harrion Karstark is also a captive and by right the lord of Karhold
True that, it will be interesting to see if he gets out alive.
you had poor jeff on mute
What about Stannis using the mountain clans to pick off Frey scouts by utilizing their knowledge of the land and their tolerance to the weather
What do you think Lady Dustin's plans are, considering the Ryswell- Dustin forces have been hold back all this time. They sent the bare minimum of men to Robb. Haven't done much against the Ironborn, and haven't send any men to help Roose. Them Ryswels holding back their men for all this time is certainly and interesting little thing.
I think it's less likely that Roose/Ramsay will defeat Stannis, but more likely the united Northern conspiring lords and soldiers will screw him over, *like thanks but drop your weapons and gtfo*. Once again Stannis not receiving his just-do in his eyes. a pattern throughout his life.
Hmmm, GRMM does like patterns and the politics make sense. Stannis is a southern king wanting to return the North to the Iron Throne. Unless the Northern lords have cooled on independence, they have every reason to resist him.
Stannis' retainers still loyal to him lost their main fighting strength so the North could feasibly force him back to the Gift.
Have you guys considered getting a patreon account? i would love to have the option to give you guys monthly donations
We are considering exactly that, or a site similar to them. We'll make an announcement once we decide.
Did anyone figure out what book did Roose Bolton read and burn in Harrenhall?
how dare you show us that early copy of world of ice and fire. i are jealous
you need your friend ashaya to keep the tech working
1:50:15 This Roose = White Walker theory (Called "Bolt-On") is probably my absolute, all-time #1 favorite theory, along with Euron = Daario.
I hear you jeff
1kaelthas I hear you too. :)
Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!
Great Job with this series of videos.
I had a thought about Theon and Osha, do you think there is any chance she got pregnant on the night she escaped and when/if she comes back with Rickon she will have an heir to the Iron Islands?
The beacon fire can lure enemy troops forth AS WELL as signal his own troops in battle and bad weather. Stanis is from Storms End so he knows how to signal in that kind of predicament. Just my opinion.
Can we get the new book already
dam i missed 9 mins, this is my first live one niceee
Also the only way to stop them will be to light the Wildfire planted by the mad king and burn the city to ashes.
Definitely wonder if there's still some there. Seems like there has to be at least some, if not quite a bit.
What is the name of the guy you talk about in the beginning? The one who has written as much about the books as the book itself??
Bran Vras :)
3:50 I'm sorry what was that name? I want to look up his work so I need to know how to spell his name. it sounded like bran vross or cross? idk?
+Jeremiah Morgan Sorry for the late reply, it was Bran Vras: branvras.free.fr/HuisClos/Contents.html
+Westeros History (AA Podcast) thanks a ton
could it be possible that the storyline in the book have different endings ?? i heard than in the series aegon invading westeros with connington will not take place.
Manz Raider's goal is the Horn that Will bring down The Wall, Quote me on that because it will be true. When Manz Raider first meets John Snow, he states how he had searched Lots of Graves in search of the horn. While in Winterfell, he takes particular interest in Winterfell Crypts. He believes the Horn is there, And I believe he will find it and blow it.
He told Jon that initially as a bluff but later tells him the last thing he wanted was to bring down the Wall because it is the only thing to defend against the Others. Plus the majority of the Free Folk were granted passage through the Wall, why bring it down now? I think he sees it as a bargaining chip with Melisandre but he doesn't know that Sam has the real horn in Oldtown
White walkers and Giants were legendary stories as well.
Theon would have been traded around like Jane in Ramsey kennels.
I'm late. Can we start over?
Jeff Hartline was never lost to the audience Aziz. You look like such a video bully in this episode LOL. I know it was unintentional, but it is your audio that couldn't hear him.
Christopher Rogers yeah it was my headphones that died! Being loud did not fix them, shockingly. ;)
Aziz, it's cool keep on trucking. I love your contribution to the show any way. It was just so funny because on one hand I felt for Jeff in his plight to be heard, but it was hysterical on the other hand how the timing of you guys trying to communicate worked.
will Bran use a raven to lead some people through the walls of winterfell?
after jons possibly death and all chaos at castle black is it not possible the others will attack? Now would be the best time for them i mean nights watch weaker than ever and in infighting = total surprise and annihilation stannis war = lots of corpses
1:49:40 Ramsay Snow/Bolton, Roose Bolton(The obviously true [I'm not joking I actually honestly do believe, or at the very least pray to the seven that it's true] Bolt-On theory aside), The Frey's and a few others would honestly, without joking whatsoever, actually be a big easier to tolerate as wights than as they are right now because that would take away the aspect of them being (genetically at least) human beings doing the things they do to other human beings.
crackpot question here! What do you think the nature of Bran's and Theon link is? If i recall corectly Theon heard a heart tree whisper his name(could that have been Bran?). Then there are the crows which repeat Theon's name (same question). I think, like most, that Bran is gonna become a verry powerfull warg. So if Bran could warg inside Hodor at times before meeting the three-eyed raven do you think he could warg into Theon's mind seeing that his mind was weakend by Ramsay's tortures?
That cat, at 04:16, it that Ser Hunter??? :)
I would like the true ruler of the 7 kingdoms to reward Stannis with Storm's End for all his help. Even though he would make a great Hand, Tyrion would make a better one :)
aaaahhhh yeah!
we could hear you
Now, not so much for the Frey's whom are sworn to the Seven. The Manderly knights whom are knighted in the light of the Seven, but what happens when , mayhaps Bolton(Northmen) troops arrive on the scene and see The Old Gods (Bran) are doing something to help Stannis and his Northmen? how will Bolton Northmen react to literally seeing , with their eyes The Old Gods going against them? when they flee back to Winterfell and tell other Northmen or to the Dreadfort. these kind of things really can sway things, or did so in the middle ages
Do you guys know if Roy Dotrice will be Narrating The Winds of Winter?
pigpigrat damn this question stings now
I think i spotted a phrase pun somewere. ^-^
@38:40 you were speaking of Roose bolton as warden of the north, how about a scenario where Roose is dead and Ramsey being his heir stands in his place.
Look what happened to Tywin and his brother.
Ohhhhh Yeahhh..
fanboy fantasy time: I feel like it'd be an epic war if stannis, aegon, and possibly even the white walkers had a confrontation near the end of the series. Since we all know Dany is never coming west ;)
Do you get some love for your plugs? GRRM should hook y'all up. Its like a free advertising for him. Except instead of telling us to read it, you get us hooked to where we HAVE to read it.
If Stannis loses it's honestly the epitome of a narrative buzzkill, so much plot potential ruined just to have a cheap black and white, good vs evil battle much like the bastardbowl sucking so much of the nuance out of the plot. The stupid fucking show is not above that obviously. but i could not imagine George giving us something so dull and uninteresting to kick off Winds
Theoretical question- Stannis wins, Rickon Stark returns to become lord of winter fell.
What does Stannis do to Theon now that it is out Theon didn't kill the stark boys?
+Ace Acabras He still killed two miller's kids.
+viperswhip that is far from killing the Starks. He still did what he did but if Rickon publicly returns do you think Theon might get the wall?
Ace Acabras far from killing the Starks? do you have Affluenza?
Ya, he could get the Wall, I mean, killing the kids also means he and Reek probably killed the miller and the millers wife, and the theory is popular that those were both, or one of them was Theon's own child. So...well, I don't know lol
Let's face it- in the world of Ice and Fire, a lot of bad things happen to normal people and it is usually ignored. Theon could in theory blame everything on Ramsay. Based on what was shown in ADWD, we saw how much hate Northerners have for Theon the Turncloak. So seeing Rickon alive might salve their hate for him.
Stannis will have to make what is in his best interests, and if the Northmen no longer want Theon dead, Stannis will want to squeeze some use out of Theon.
I suppose it is possible Theon could earn some goodwill if prior to the battle, Theon is placed in the vanguard and publicly calls out Ramsay, telling the Freys and Boltons how he sodomized Ramsay during the time he held Winterfell and how Ramsay enjoyed it. Or Stannis calls out that Prince Theon is in his ranks and he wants his Reek back.
+Ace Acabras It was still Theon who sacked Winterfell though, and he did have several prominent Stark retainers killed. He may not have killed Rickon or Bran, but that would just be a relief to the Stark supporters..it was still Theon's fault that they fled. What Theon does to redeem himself will be all that matters. They may let him take the Black if they don't kill him.
Stannis Will be the Night King , it is said on the chapter House of thé Undying, lady Stark Will his zombie queen or maybe Melisandre , and others king stannis will wield Lightbringer, he Will kill all the north lords : Frey,Bolton... and Will be defeated by the 3 heads of thé dragons: Snow,Daenerys and Aegon. If Melisandre is evil she is Night Queen, if she isnt she p die saving Jon.
Frey-will-be-decimated-also-roose-the-north-remembers!
Manderly-is-stannis-cats-paw!
If-Stannis-dies-the-iron-throne-will-be-clear-for-Dany!
Val-was-right-the-greyscale-will-kill-her-in-the-future!the-greyscale-is-dormant
hallelujah
The scripted conversations and puns really put me off, but the information and analysis is good.
53:30 onwards... Edited out? :p
Edited out in the audio-only version!
Not Stannis! Say it isn't so!!
please stand by?
theres no video
chibisphere It is a live recording. When the countdown timer reaches 0:00:00:00 you should see something......... Just keep refreshing :)
***** It always seems to round up to 1 day, a bit odd to be sure.
AA Podcast I hope my advice to keep refreshing got you guys the views that you deserve. Another wonderful AA Podcast video.
This has nothing to do with sexism or any of that garbage but this episode was so much smoother with just you two. I hate to say it but she never seems comfortable on the mic and maybe 3 is just too many. Either way love the work all of you put into these. Again sorry just trying to be truthful for a better product. Peace asoiaf homies